Meet the Psycopath Who Invented Your Breakfast

[@buutich1]

I don't believe a lot of Kellogg's treatments are useful. However, some of the treatments made fun of in this video are known today to be used in modern medicine - colonic lavage, chewing food very well, light for depression to be a few. Yoghurt is often used to help with gut flora, especially after a large prescription of antibiotics.

[@earlysda]

There are many errors in this video.

[@The_Vible]

@@earlysda Tell me every error

[@ureasmith3049]

There's always a small batch of truth mixed in by cults and nutjob fanatics to help entice the naive.

[@earlysda]

@@The_Vible 1:23, Kellogg did not have a bike like that. 1:35 "The poor brother" is mistaken, as William Kellogg was not poor (or to be pitied). 1:41 "A highly eccentric individual" - false. 1:54 Kellogg certainly did not create the current "wellness" nonsense. 2:20 Kellogg did not invent cornflakes to prevent masturbation. . This last error is so over the top in being blatant error, that there is no more use in watching this garbage. Shame on Thoughty2 for making this error-filled video.

[@xtcmkr]

@@earlysda proof for the last point? it is a fact that he was seventh day adventist and strongly against sex for pleasure. It is a fact that he mutilated children. also, the seventh day adventists church promotes a plant-based diet, based on the visions of Ellen G. White which believed that some animal products cause sexual desire.

[@ludoviajante]

Imagine if history lessons were as entertaining as this guy's videos.

[@WIProgress]

I've had good teachers before who made classes fun

[@nadinearyomo3048]

everyone would be historians

[@ireneparkin3360]

History would be very intriguing (and interesting).

[@Demianz]

For me always history class was my favorite sometimes you got too chill and just talk about stuff from the past while the teacher goes on a rant about his whole life.

[@The_Greipist]

I'd say he's the Bill Nye of history, but by that I mean 90s Bill Nye, 2020s Bill Nye is a tool, lol

[@MrNetWraith]

Adding to the psychopathic nature of John Kelloggs is the fact he must have known on some level that most of his beloved treatments were so much bunkum. He was very studious about avoiding taking in patients who were actually ill with genuine serious maladies, precisely to avoid potential failures. In fact, the famous African-American abolitionist Sojourner Truth spent several months in the Battle Creek Sanitarium due to the presence of sores on her legs. Kelloggs gave her the full regime of his usual treatments and then released her... whereupon she died in agony from blood poisoning, as her untreated sores had festered to the point they killed her.

[@rootsychick2151]

That saddens me.

[@ebonewashington]

Oh My that's horrible... Thanks for sharing

[@flowerpower9541]

Awful

[@lhdollbaby]

That's Obama care for ya🤨😵🤬🤕😂🤣😅🤣😂

[@brendac9386]

@@lhdollbaby More like colonial care; the same care given to Native Americans with the gifting of smallpox-infested blankets. 😉

[@precious_muse]

I was hoping you would mention one of the most psychopathic part of Kellogg. He was a staunch supporter of eugenics which promoted the restriction of rights, sterilization, and eventually death of people with disabilities.

[@benthomason3307]

How Christlike of him...

[@precious_muse]

Believe it or not, some people in the eugenics movement saw it as a act of mercy. I don’t know if I can speak for Kellogg, but yeah, those who advocated for it could have read Scripture a little closer.

[@TheJakecakes]

Weren't they all! Bernard Shaw diet, injections, injunctions.

[@samuelwolch1302]

Don’t forget that this also included ethnic minorities and queer people. Because why not be the trio of ableist, homophobic and racist with the excuse of “scientific fact”

[@TokyoXtreme]

Based.

[@vaguemartin]

He wasn’t a psychopath. He was just a cereal killer.

[@jobes4525]

🤣

[@thebryanpereira]

YOOOO 🤣😂😂😂

[@lukegordon1493]

Yessss

[@Lasaga123]

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[@phylliscostello2969]

Brilliant comment🤣

[@furonguy42]

There's a delicious irony of Will choosing a rooster for the mascot after winning the company from John, considering John's staunchly sex-negative attitude, and perhaps the most common synonym for rooster.

[@kymo6343]

COCK-A-DOODLE-DOO! XD

[@skindianu]

@@kymo6343 ANY COCK'LL DOO?

[@MrBilld75]

Ahhh so that's how the sugar got added. Will had control, that makes sense. As I know that John was wholly against adding sugar to it and wanted it to be as bland and uninteresting as possible. But it sold horribly and only sold to the sanitarium patients and Adventists. Will thought adding sugar would make it sell better (likely because C.W. Post had done that after stealing Kellogg's recipes) and he was absolutely right. I wondered how he managed to put that past the older crazy brother, that's how, because he had control. John would have never agreed to adding sugar to it.

[@daleksix1396]

Chicken?

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

@@daleksix1396 Chicken is usually hen and rooster's are called cocks.

[@jeremythornton433]

My dad ate Kellogg's Corn Flakes every day for well over 60 years. One day I mentioned that he must really like them. He said no! He f*&king hated them! He said it was just a habit and he'd never tried anything else. I didn't have a response.

[@alicentmarveltrra2504]

Just Perhaps, he *is* the response? 🤔😰🥶 (Pavlov would have been delighted with the American public)

[@myscreen2urs]

Kellogg's coke flakes maybe? 🤔

[@Lucius1958]

I couldn't help thinking of 'Saki's famous story, "Filboid Studge": *"He had discovered that people will do things out of a sense of duty, which they would never attempt as a pleasure..."*

[@whereswaldo5740]

Habits are hard to break whether they be good or bad. There is an old saying. Be careful of your habits. They are first spider webs. Then chains that bind us.

[@karencawthorn3173]

Me neither.... ?????

[@christopherhall5361]

Dr. Kellogg: "Don't masturbate, you'll go blind" Patient: "I'm over here"

[@williamf.9615]

Patient: "I thought it made you deaf". Dr. Kellog: "A quarter past two.".

[@oentrepreneur]

I get what you're saying. But nothing good comes out of ma$turbating. I mean why jerk 0ff when you can have s£x?

[@sisyphos13]

"Meet the Psycopath Who Invented Your Breakfast" This is the best title I've ever seen. Well done mate, you just won youtube! :))

[@buutich1]

It's too bad he can't spell psychopath.

[@LucasImpulse]

@@buutich1 printer ink, sponsored by Apple.

[@dozhadeville444]

I swear it is 🤣

[@earlysda]

Sadly, this video has many historical errors.

[@samuelcosta8189]

indeed

[@robertgotschall1246]

I once lived in Battle Creek in the late 50s. Many of my friend's parents worked at Kellogg's but the only thing I knew about the man was the Black Squirrels in town that he'd supposedly introduced. It's odd though that as far out as he was, some of his ideas weren't that bad. Light therapy has been suggested for people living in higher latitudes to prevent the high suicide rate due to short day length. And while corn flakes were derided because they were thought to contain less food value than the box they came in, granola is still popular. And yogurt is still thought of as a probiotic. My mom was a nurse in the 40s and enemas were routine for constipation.

[@magoostus]

I'll see you at church on saturday

[@Lyle-xc9pg]

I recently gave myself an enema. You can buy them anhwhere, they didnt just dissapear

[@Fleato]

Enema are still routine in the medical field.

[@ethanuys6903]

How old are you

[@whereswaldo5740]

As a nurse for 17 years I can tell you not all enemas are good. And even the store brought should be used sparingly. Many home remedies for them are downright detrimental exacerbating constipation and worse wiping out good bowel flora. And never use something you sent away for or ordered off the internet. I know a fellow nurse that paid like $150 ( there’s one born every minute) and claimes they were never the same again.

[@Hadgerz]

Kellogg's...well fun fact, there's a cereal brand in Australia called *'Sanitarium'* - it was founded by one of John Kellogg's bakers who left the company and migrated here.

[@maymay5600]

Ouuuu interesting I didn't know that

[@David_Rafuse]

And they make the brand of Marmite sold in New Zealand.

[@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat]

Why are we talking about John when Will is the clear inventor of corn flakes and the Kellogg behind the cereal.

[@Saasan]

As someone who grew up Seventh-day Adventist, I am amused and delighted by how many of his health theories are still practiced here. There is a literal college that still doesn't serve pepper thanks to him. And yes, I did hear the "you should chew 40 times" argument. Great stuff. Interestingly, while SDAs do still believe in the very imminent return of Christ, there is now a large emphasis on education, and LOTS of Adventists become doctors.

[@bhimsenluchooman4046]

@Saasan. I am a born again christian. I believe in Jesus. God is El Shaddai.

[@mintinggoodwithchocolatech2278]

Makes sense why my mom and sis are doctors.

[@davidarundel6187]

Says much about the state of health care today , and the attitude of some MD's , towards patients and junior staff alike - based on more than 60 years of exposure to modern medicine .

[@williskh90]

I agree as Seventh-day Adventist currently pursuing a doctorate (my fourth degree). Education has always had a strong influence in my home.

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

I was a Seventh Day Adventist for 18 years until I became ill and researched Ellen White and ALL her writings. She was no prophet but a fake who criticized people, didn't live up to her own statements and standards of living, nor God's word, and she plagiarized many other people all over the place, claiming ot was God who told her things. That's why her teachings on health were similar to the gurus of her day! They church has some truthful doctrines, but many FALSE. GOD led me out. Kellogg was a spiritually sick man, as well Ellen White. I spent 2 months at Uchee Pines and was treated horrible and became even more ill. I'm well now because I left the indoctrinated lies. My relationship with God is stronger than I ever had. I feel sorry for the friends that are still in that denomination.

[@workingmothercatlover6699]

Being the youngest in my family, I feel for Will. When he wanted to be independent, his brother tried to suppress him.

[@tayler7441]

Will was the fun brother.

[@MissNush22]

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[@macaylacayton2915]

yeah, I'm the youngest in my family as well(though only by 5 years in comparison to my older brother)

[@liviwaslost]

@@MissNush22 did you have a stroke?

[@MissNush22]

@@liviwaslost i don’t remember ever writing that🤣🤣 omg

[@MCsCreations]

The older brother was basically a cereal killer.

[@sharong8511]

Good one ☝️

[@feikotemme8736]

😂LOL👌👍

[@ximar0ckstrx]

🤣🤣🤣

[@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.]

Hah

[@user-hf1ys4rr5h]

You must have been in my head! That one-liner came to me yesterday regarding a murder in my country that occurred over cereal.

[@zendan37]

I heard that one time cornflakes were tested and it was proved you would be better off eating the box they came in! Then vitamins were added and they became a viable breakfast food.

[@tsiddig]

They put iron filings in cornflakes

[@jamescarr4504]

"He was celibate through four decades of marriage." I bet his wife wasn't.

[@ilewtf2234]

She surely wasnt, what a weak man to marry! 🤣🤣

[@ryanmc2864]

Banging comment

[@ryanmc2864]

@@ilewtf2234 that’s a toxic comment, I’m guessing you’re virgin

[@Bobba8590]

@@ryanmc2864 *you're

[@ilewtf2234]

@@ryanmc2864 Sorry to disappoint, im a bad father to two girls, and probably a few random kids i left around europe, middle-east and northern africa when i spread my seed. Im basically just a malicious sadist at my worst, but at my best im an ok man who is a loyal friend. Nobody is perfect.

[@alicewilloughby4318]

3:12 - I give John serious props for educating himself in the face of parents and a church that were constantly telling him there was no need!

[@faithreturns333]

Everybody is mocking him but I'm glad to see you saw something that he did which was good

[@jjj6446]

@@faithreturns333 he put people in penis prison

[@kingsamuelofficial]

It was the church that paid for his education.👀

[@earlysda]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church has always been vocally pro-education, which is why the SDA Church now has the 2nd largest Christian denomination church school system in the world.

[@jjj6446]

@@earlysda it is also anti balanced diet and anti sex

[@cindym8342]

Whenever I see Kelloggs corn flakes, I think "anti-masturbation food". LOL! I learned about this years ago, in a psychology class. Whenever I told my friends about corn flakes, Dr. Kellogg's daily enemas, and refusal to consumate his marriage, they looked at me like they didn't really believe me. Thank you for this video. 😄

[@theimmortal4718]

Well, we know it doesn't do that! 🤣

[@earlysda]

It wasn't "anti-masturbation food". You've bought into a lie.

[@rowenkylee5627]

I feel bad for his wife. Bedtime fun is important part of a relationship until a certain old age.

[@sherry356]

Have you actually done any of your own research on enemas, its benefits, and the history of cornflakes? I'm not surprised your friends didn't believe you since half of what you're spouting is just nonsense.

[@prixe12]

@@sherry356 shut up sherry

[@Naturephile55]

My great grandfather was a male nurse at this sanitarium, and when he died Kellog tried to adopt his widow's children, my maternal grandfather being one of them.

[@sarahrawson626]

The insane thing is that the Battle Creek Sanitarium is now used for two things. Because there was more than one location. One is a prison, the second a VA hospital/ long term care facility. Both of my parents, and many of my ancestors were from this part of Michigan. The famed cereal city has a lot of history definitely worth digging into. Thank you for this episode. I had to share it with my friends and family.

[@megamax898]

I looked into this because I'm thinking of concepts to have in a history based horror game. I couldn't find anything about the prison, and the VA hospital was from the 1940s and 1950s. Could you tell me more about the prison?

[@B.H.56]

the main building is now a Federal office building. You can peek in the lobby, but that's it.

[@nolesy34]

Cereal city.. sounds like racoon city

[@ShortHax]

Man, Kellogg just wanted us to suffer with cardboard spheres coated with sugar

[@K_ingh16]

What have you been eating?

[@ryanmc2864]

Minus the sugar

[@alicentmarveltrra2504]

Cornflakes were just Pavlov’s consolation prize to the mutilated.

[@dark_fire_ice]

Sans sugar, much like Graham, Kellogg believed basically, if it makes you feel something it's bad for you

[@Sinn0100]

No man, Corn Flakes don't come with sugar. That's Frosted Flakes and they're absolutely fantastic.

[@almighty3946]

I love the “subtle” jabs at Gwyneth Paltrow

[@jovjov223]

Is she really just into wellness and all that crap or does it go deeper?

[@meshuggahlad7]

Subtle? Ha!

[@wtfwhereami]

Omfg. KZbin keeps deleting my comments. All I’m saying is I’d love to take a jab at GP if you know what I’m saying.

[@mr.throwback4875]

Love that Goop…. 😂 😆😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@BetaBuxDelux]

@@wtfwhereami I’m sure she’s ready for you to give her a vaccination.

[@TimmehJay]

Everyone always focuses on Kellogg while his contemporary, Purina, had the same ideas, same bizarre facilities, but with the added bonus of eugenics thrown in the mix.

[@rincasarff5200]

Another commenter mentioned that John Kellogg was also a staunch supporter of eugenics, so Purina and John go together nicely.

[@AwokenEntertainment]

Who knew cereal has such a dark and twisted history.. you always finding the craziest topics to speak on!

[@annuitcptis3032]

Where is the dark history?

[@SiccDeville]

origins to nursery rhymes too.

[@AmateurHEROduelist]

Well Kellogg’s teamed up with the united fruit company to advertise putting bananas on your cereal and well the united fruit company… yikes

[@lebronjamesfromdwade4103]

Most companies in the 19th century that are still around or known today have very dark histories. Morality as we know it today is a very recent phenomenon.

[@breadcrumbhoarder]

Something tells me a lot of people might’ve liked the vibrating chair for reasons Kellogg wouldn’t have appreciated lol

[@flamenmartialis6839]

It's like the first vibrators, they was invented to treat hysteria in women. I guess many women got hysteria for the treatment.

@@flamenmartialis6839 Yeah, it reminds me of a girl I once dated over a decade ago who owned an an xbox controller and had an app that turned it into a vibrator that she downloaded lol!

[@sunofshangoihate45thihated85]

@ 😳

[@rowenkylee5627]

@ There exist apps for the phone now to do that.

[@rowenkylee5627]

Not at that speed. I believe he said the speed was 60 hertz. That's major harsh shaking.

[@stevekathman1291]

If you think yogurt enemas are bad, wait until you hear about fecal transplants given by enema or even orally to treat recurrent c.diff colitis and inflammatory bowel disease... and it works really well.

[@dungeaterfancam]

Call me crazy but yoghurt enemas sound worse than poop enemas. One thing is supposed to be in the bowels and the other is not. Plus if it’s done medically then there’s no real issue, not like they just fish the poop out of the toilet for the procedure, it’s specially treated I presume lol

[@xenogorwraithblade2538]

"Eat shit and live." ~ some really kinky doctor, I guess, I dunno

[@nolesy34]

*laughing Ass to ass

[@epicjourneyman2145]

I'm amazed that you have been covering so many of the very things that I have researched over the years - and doing a good job of it! I'm also pretty sure that most average people have no idea how much effort it takes to edit a video like this (it's like 5 to one per minute folks) which is why I gave up on doing it myself and just stuck to the audio since I work full time at a regular job that I actually like. Good job and keep it up!

[@Curt_Randall]

Also little known fact, John Kellogg was the first fruit loop.

[@sweetfreeze5528]

I see what you did there 😹

[@jh9391]

Bwahahahaha

[@matildamarmaduke1096]

U nailed it

[@ayetam_aye]

😂😂😂😂

[@michelleowens3998]

🤭

[@womensarmycorpsveteran2904]

Many, many, many years ago we took a tour of the Kellogg factory. It was magic to an 8 year old and at the end we each got mini boxes of frosted flakes. A sweet memory.

[@alexwilder8315]

Another sevvie kid, no doubt. Hello and have you had your nutolene lately?

[@lenblack1462]

That's not health food.

[@anandabliss9997]

@@lenblack1462 who said anything about health?

[@lenblack1462]

@@anandabliss9997 They preach a health message.

[@Jollynoose]

@@alexwilder8315 i have tried to find the definition of the word nutolene with no results. Im not a 7th day Adventist but i do go to church with them and argue with them about some of their beliefs which gets me in some hot water alot. Please tell me what nutolene is.

[@dominikfulop7188]

Me: Takes corn flakes to bed with my girl Kellogs ghost: *cries in the corner*

[@MrArthoz]

Which ghost? The younger one would give you two thumbs up!

[@dynamicflashy]

@@MrArthoz And a wink.

[@bluescorpion5954]

If his SDA faith is true, he doesn't have a ghost.

[@Acroposthion]

He’s probably laughing - if you’re circumcised….

[@samlsd9711]

😆😂🤣😆😂🤣

[@boujiebarbie3198]

This was one of the most enjoyable casts I've ever heard. I had no intent to listen to it now but I couldn't stop once I started. I hope the rest of yours are like this. I just sub'd🥰

[@Lady_Chalk]

I watched a program, “Mysteries at the Museum”, on this. One missing bit: a poor entrepreneur was a patient there at the time. He found Will’s writing desk open with the corn flakes recipe, stole it, quickly left, and created his own corn flakes. His name? C.W.Post of Post cereals.

[@NorthernKitty]

Actually, Post worked in the kitchen at the sanitarium. I doubt he needed to find the recipe in a desk. I think the real story is much simpler - he knew precisely how it was made, saw the market potential and went out on his own to make it. The Kelloggs were slow at getting into mass-marketing of their products. Will Kellogg didn't start the "Battle Creek Toasted Corn Flake Company" until 1906. Post had already been capitalizing on his knowledge of their various breakfast products since 1897.

[@PotPoet]

C. W. Post worked at the Sanitarium. He helped John Kellogg in the production of his sugarless corn flakes. The invention was made to have an easy to serve whole grain breakfast available for residents of the Sanitarium. I was raised as a Seventh-day Adventist (SDA). I left them in 1981. My family has been SDA for four generations and my great grandparents and grandparents on my father's side lived in Battle Creek. I have visited the old sanitarium site and I personally knew some of the Kellogg family. Kellogg's lunacy also infected Ellen Gould White (nee Harmon) who was the so-called "prophet" of the SDA sectarians. She frequently attended the sanitarium for her many health issues and she lauded Kellogg at one time and she advocated many Kellogg ideas in her writings (I read all of them). Kellogg and White were both too egotistical and they were both too wacky to have such an alliance continue. They eventually denounced each other. On the positive side: the Battle Creek Sanitarium was famous for its successful hydrotherapy treatments.

[@ericaonline3739]

You're kidding! Wow!

[@createdcreated1977]

@@PotPoet Sad you left the true Remnant Christopher. You can see how her writings in, "The Great Controversy" are spot on. She never claimed to be a prophet, but only a messenger of God. She was human and did her best on what she knew. Like all the other prophets in the Bible. They were flawed, but God still used them for His ultimate purpose.

[@dannybryant3141]

@@createdcreated1977 Well said. As a SDA PK… the issue has and will always be, people not studying the word of God. E.G. White always said she is the lesser light, leading to the greater light. But if you ever doubt and are are unsure, follow the Bible. I’m NOT a fan of man-made doctrine. But you surely can read the Great Controversy and the Bible …they do agree. I’m 47, and it still amazes me how people don’t understand context. It is IMPERATIVE to pray before reading the scriptures, so that one can gain understanding and wisdom. God bless.

[@sparklejuice]

"He was the quackiest quack who ever quacked". You used one word in superlative adjective, common noun, and intransitive verb form, and made me spray my wine all over the computer. Absolutely brilliant.

[@namasaya8963]

Yeah

[@Blox117]

you are easily amused

[@whereswaldo5740]

I never thought knowing such boring grammar could be so amusing.

[@jeremias-serus]

He does this gag like once a month. And it’s not like he’s the first person to do it.

[@whysoserious7014]

Thats comedy, what's funny for one, may not to another.

[@siddhantpandey2000]

I would never miss a History Lecture. If my teacher would teach like this.

[@ate5ive866]

I had a history teacher like this a great story teller.

[@naejimba]

At one point, I was very close to finishing a degree in education. Unless you are teaching at a college, you don't really get to choose what you teach. There is a curriculum you have to follow, and there are standardized tests you have to prepare students for... and it's not like they would have any time to teach anything extra, especially since the consequences of your kids not doing well on them. This is why teachers "teach for the test" and don't include anything beyond that. The school board is the one who decides what text book you use. You might have to submit lesson plans to the principal for approval (and at any time, they can decide what you are teaching shouldn't be taught). If they have a requirement for you to teach them about LGBTQ+ you are doing it whether you want to or not. You really don't get much say in it. Think of it like working in a McDonalds... they tell you what you will do and how to do it and you go through the motions. If management wants to change how things are done you don't get a vote.

[@solus8685]

@@naejimba I'd gladly teach about the lgbtq+ community and its history like gay asf Greece

[@jonathandavis346]

I chew me food like 3 times.

[@athanasia6766]

Tell those same stories for 40 years and you'd be a little bland too. Why can't kids just watch KZbin videos and docu-dramas and take tests?? I bet they'd learn more. Especially if they infer allot about sex. Keeps their interest thinking they might get to see a booby.

[@mtaylor7307]

@2:36 my fav: makes G Paltrow look sane. Thank you publically acknowledging what most of us, who bother to even consider her at all, actually think.

[@AnimasiKanasia]

I am Seventh Day Adventist and I am not proud of John. The church literally fired him off from the organization due to his belief.

[@cmbtheambassador5773]

There's much more to that story... You may wanna check out the book Prophetess of Health by Ronald Numbers

[@imczgnito]

Lol I was looking for this comment

[@morbidmanmusic]

All religions should be fired. Don't think one is above another... they are all sort of a mental illness, when looked at rationally.

[@stopsign2447]

@@morbidmanmusic atheism moment

[@kathycurtis6359]

@@cmbtheambassador5773 You might want to read what was written by Ellen White and then make a decision based upon all the facts.

[@shelbycarscadden765]

I always expect the bad guy to win in these history lessons because that's usually how it pans out. It's refreshing to, for once, hear about a person with purer intentions win and the "villain" get what he deserves in the end.

[@josephfox9221]

But his brother had pure intentions. His methods were questionable but he actively wanted to make people healthier

[@Skylancer727]

@@josephfox9221 though his actions basically involved breaking people mentally, disfiguring them, and traumatizing them. Even if his actions were built under good intent, it's very unlikely these people supported the acts brought on to them over just being kicked out of the place.

[@mmoviefan7]

sugar won

[@josephfox9221]

@@Skylancer727 but the other brother was only interested in making a profit by exploiting children with colorful toys to sell sugar laced foods to. And basically started the dessertifciation of breakfast in America leading to the obesity of millions

[@skindianu]

He was getting what he wanted in the "end" all those years. Sounds like they both won.

[@juilenechilton6294]

I work at Kellogg’s in Battle Creek! My whole family has worked here. Thank you for the great video on John Harvey.

[@Starfish2145]

Did they talk about what a sick monster that guy was?

[@juilenechilton6294]

@@Starfish2145 As a matter of fact yes . My great-great grandmother worked at the San, and I remember the stories my grandmother would tell us about things that happened there. Actually, “The Road to Wellville” portrayal of J. H. Kellogg. A lot of people don’t know that W. K. loved Arabian horses, and his stable in California is home to the purest Egyptian Arabian line in North America.

[@juilenechilton6294]

@ProgM Actually, yes, over half of the plant employees have been pushing to reduce sugar and chemical additives. The Battle Creek plant also makes the lion share of all the Canadian products, and Canada has strict rules regarding both of those issues; we would like our cereal to return to the more natural state. (Since the late ‘80’s our cereal taste has declined.)

[@klionfan1]

My mow retired from Kellogg's, I wonder if you knew her? Her name was Dorothy Caswell.

[@garyclouse4164]

the 1994 film "The Road to Wellville" was based on semi-fictional accounts of Dr Kellog's therapies, with Anthony Hopkins playing the part of Dr Kellog

[@frankquagmire]

That is my favorite movie!

[@willisj1515]

I remember this movie too 😂😂😂

[@kimmariefaber4636]

I didn’t know there was a movie, I read the book and it was great!

[@frankquagmire]

@@kimmariefaber4636 For me it is the best comedy ever, but the reviews for the movies were not good. Probably not mainstream humor. The movie has a great cast, Mathew Broderick, John Cusack, Bridget Fonda. It is like the actors went all out for the movie

[@queenSummerKeli]

I was going to ask if anyone had seen this flick. It is one of my favs!!! Sooo funny.

[@melaniemills4505]

Good for William for striking out on his own...he deserved the success he received! 👏

[@MichaelNealeYT]

I can tell you that corn flakes are ineffective

[@rubenknight5087]

Bro same

[@StayMadNobodycares]

Maybe we just need to eat more.

[@billthetraveler51]

Try enemas.

[@whereswaldo5740]

In what way?

[@pancon5]

They really are.

[@Obelion_]

guess its wholesome that in the end the psychotic doctor didnt invent cornflakes after all, and the little brother who got bullied became rich

[@Jonkenstonk]

I already know this story but it's so weird that I'm still just gonna stay.

[@joshuachandra6677]

This man has a way of telling stories why wouldn't you

[@dudeadonaiski]

It's the stache. That god blessed stache.

[@Jonkenstonk]

Yeah the stache is pretty good

[@fabik805]

You often think you heard these stories but this dude expands upon them with some new information. I was always surprised in every video of him even if I already knew the story.

[@acgillespie]

Great choice

[@loreebrew38]

The sanitarium became a military hospital during WWII. My mom was a nurse there, I think it was called Percy Jones hospital. It is now a federal building.

[@HeavilyCensoredKitty]

I wonder if it’s haunted?

[@efrainl956]

Thanks for sharing that piece of information. I was wondering what had happened to it.

[@skindianu]

So in other words, people are still taking it up the ass at that place?

[@shoelicker]

O7

[@ximar0ckstrx]

The original hospital burned down in 1902. The sanatorium was then rebuilt and what stands now

[@jonathandeschenes2973]

Binge watching all your videos while I’m frozen into these third shifts really be helping the time move by 🙏🏻 thanks thoughty! For those who don’t know working 2nd and 3rd shift takes a lot out on your mental and physical health.

[@chad7982]

Love the animation. The enema doctor had me cracking up! He was all smiles!

[@MrSkitlesFiddles]

"'This is coming from the guy that invented the chair that vibrates and flogs you and liked shoving yogurt up people's bums." That's the best thing I've heard all morning lol 8:25

[@cherry.7199]

hahahaha good one

[@acgillespie]

*makes ya feel all warm n fuzzy don't it?*

[@normahepburn1643]

Coffee ground enemas, soap sud enemas and other ingredient enemas are still in use today. Stool from a healthy person with good gut bacteria is put into an ill person with poor gut bacteria via up the but, this is done also these days. It is easy to laugh through ignorance but smarter to research if there is any valuable truth to it. This man mocks( the narrator) light therapy which is used extensively for depression in hospitals and nursing homes around the world. Kellog may have been mistaken in some of his ideas but had a good grasp on othersthat are still in use today.

[@Promses2Keep]

I'll never look at cornflakes the same way again.

[@whereswaldo5740]

In the movie Road to Wellville the pigs wouldn’t even eat em. Too funny. And is allegedly true.

[@edwardbontrager9721]

You don't look at them, you think about them and touch yourself. My god, how fun is this conversation!

[@superdude899]

"Masturbation is not gr-r-reat!" - Tony the Tiger

[@wernerretief4569]

Yes nobody knows much about Seventh Day Adventists and Jehova's Witnesses except they hate Catholics, pork .... and masturbation.

[@wernerretief4569]

But they go into lockdown every Friday at sunset and emerge Saturday nights full of renewed energy to cut their lawns on a Sunday morning.

[@cynthiamgrooms8195]

Makes you wonder how many of his siblings died BC of him, & how much of “child observations” were made towards his very potent father & fertile mother!!!

[@MichaelDScott144]

6

[@Hun_Uinaq]

To me, the amazing thing is that he was allowed to get away with all of this. He was given power over others. With him, definitely, power corrupts. Horrid man.

[@wintersbattleofbands1144]

Morality laws still persist in the USA.

[@tjcola7703]

people chose to go to his infirmary, they could leave at any time. doesn't excuse what he did but he only went out of business when people stopped showing up

[@gottagift]

Neato. I had always recognized Kellogg as a person smart enough to realize that good hygiene was elemental to good health. But i have now learned that it was Will Kellogg, rather than John who helped feed America

[@daleo6289]

I don’t know how on earth you pluck these history lessons from the arse hairs of life gone by,but I love these vids either way. Keep up the great work 👌🏻

[@earlysda]

He "plucks them" out of thin air, as a lot of what he said in this video is entirely made up.

[@novellanurney1294]

Watch the movie " The Road to Wellsville " based on Battle Creek. Anthony Hopkins plays Kellogg. It is a bit of a dark comedy.

[@henrijs1733]

@@earlysda care to elaborate?

[@henrijs1733]

"the arse hairs of life gone by" man, you are a poet

[@infinite4392]

he had a yogurt enema, obviously. xD

[@jcat3409]

I have lived in Quincy Michigan for 50 years and have been on a few tours in the Kellogg factory.. I can say, everything in this video is absolutely true.. crazy shit!

[@earlysda]

I've read up on John Harvey Kellogg for many years, and can call out numerous errors in this video.

[@michaelshirley3042]

If you're really from Quincy , your a Butler motor speedway fan.. Or naw???

[@pennywollett3953]

Fun Fact: Dr Kellogg build a house here in Morro Bay California in the early 1900's which my husband worked on the garden for 30 years or so. When the owner died the care taker our friend moved in for while with her husband. They said that the house was haunted 👻 and didn't go in certain rooms after dark. They moved out over 10 years ago and no one has lived in it since. The family tried to sell the house and never could even though it is a beautiful home which has a outstanding view of the Pacific Ocean.

[@andyhill242]

This is the first time I have heard this story in full! Thank you and thank you for reminding me why I support this channel.

[@lovenikolatesla846]

Think I was raised by misogynist psycopaths much similar to John the over chewing of food,cleaning with water enemas,sex outside marriage bad, masturbation a sin my nutty foster parents said it all but lived immorally themselves. Thank goodness for therapist 🙂

[@lukecage3569]

You sound more ridiculous than your foster parents. We're seeing the results of sex outside marriage right now in the US. Its more depraved than ever and that is considered "pride". Masturbation IS a sin. Your therapist sounds like a Liberal psychopath and enabler.

[@Argenswiss]

An innovative entrepreneur who suffered hardships and through the ways of capitalism rose up to stick it to an anti-sex maniac. That's a hero story!

[@Argenswiss]

@ProgM please, no one put a gun to anyone's head and made them eat. Everyone is as free to sell what they want as you are free to eat what you want, if people don't know how to eat properly or have no self control, that's on them. Take your victim mentality somewhere else

[@Argenswiss]

@Prasanth Thomas that's true!

[@Argenswiss]

@Prasanth Thomas Dr. OctoNOpuss

[@nataliedickens1289]

And then we went on to be a ruthless capitalist, killing thousands with poor working conditions. A true hero indeed.

[@Argenswiss]

@@nataliedickens1289 do you want to start counting people "killed by capitalism" vs people killed by socialism, totalitarianism, fascism, mercantilism and anything that's not liberal, democratic capitalism?

[@LifeInPink999]

I feel sad for the “normal” brother apparently he wanted to hear what was written in that letter and because of a decision of some entitled secretary not even a familiar he didn’t have that letter till the end of his life probably bearing the weigh of a grudge he could have left long ago. The other one, well maybe he saw his wrongdoings when he was left all alone and broke but it doesn’t excuse the physical and mental pain he caused to people who probably were forced to be interned in his sanitarium by their families and obviously children who didn’t have a say in any of that.

[@SnazZee99]

channel been running for "9 years" thank you Thoughty2 for making KZbin more fascinating 🤝

[@777Rowen]

I learned about this guy in my Psychology of Sexuality Class. Fantastic discussion and elaboration here. Well done.

[@annajohnston9528]

I feel like the poor man was Ace and just didn’t have an explanation and that mixed with his childhood preconditioning was disastrous

[@calebleland8390]

@@annajohnston9528 that could very well be, and if he were Ace, I feel bad that he didn't have a better upbringing. But his religious upbringing caused him to genitally mutilate young boys and girls. And that would buy him an eternity in Hell if I actually believed in such bullshit.

[@BoopSnootAndTroubleshoot]

@@annajohnston9528 I don't think surgically altering young boys results in someone being a "poor man".

[@tiagotiagot]

Enemas actually can help with some forms of constipation though; and they can work so well your bowels will get lazy if you perform enemas too often since they don't have to do all the work by themselves. Talk with your doctor whether you should or not do it; it's really something that needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis.

[@cincin4515]

Eeuuuw. Who do you think doesn't already know this? You getting off on butt fantasies.

[@carleenturner1348]

Take some magnesium...you'll have no constipation. I thinks John Kellogg was gay, frustrated.

[@notbubblystarters05]

*Me (an Asian who only eat rice for breakfast), sees the caption: Hmm. I n t e r e s t i n g 🤔*

[@BroomPusher2024]

"Love your Breakfast. Eat your Drugs. Dont do Family." - James Kellogg, probably

[@matildamarmaduke1096]

Funny

[@everyone4352]

Love your drugs Don't do breakfast Ea-

[@meru0796]

"When he wasnt pumping yogurt up peoples aholes' The most legendary phrase ever used on the interweb full stop.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@macaylacayton2915]

weirder enemas exist bruh

[@Brind-amour]

"Wellness, you know? The industry all crazies hang out in" 😂😂😂You made my day!

[@theemptyatom]

The Urantia book is right up there too in terms of bizarre

[@marydelong4683]

I live in the Battle Creek area and took part of my nursing training at the"Sans". Kellogg Company is one of the largest employers in Calhoun County.

[@earlysda]

Wow, What year did you finish training at the "Sans"?

[@tomt373]

Did you know they will not longer favor an SDA employee's desire to not work on Saturdays, but now they demand all employees work BOTH Saturdays and Sundays under the threat of being fired?

[@earlysda]

@@tomt373 Tom T, when you say "they" who are you referring to?

[@tomt373]

@@earlysda The Kellogg's Company. Started out as SDA, now has religious intolerance for ANYONE's day of worship and rest.

[@miriamllamas224]

I lived in Battle Creek for over a year. Fond memories. Enjoyed the breakfast festival very much 🤣. I attended Kellogg's community college for English lessons.

[@zinknot]

Yogurt is still known for the beneficial bacteria. And enemas are still administered by medical professionals.

[@EnigmaticLucas]

Neither are used as cure-alls though

[@alicentmarveltrra2504]

Doesn’t make it any less bizarre. If your surgeon sewed herrings into you, you wouldn’t dismiss it simply because “he wore gloves and a gown, and really had that whole hand washing thing down” even if he had the paper on his wall. if anything, it just serves to contrast all of his repressed, aberrant behaviours

[@parishna4882]

Bet a fecal transplant sounds like a splendid afternoon, too!

[@Dark0neone]

@@parishna4882 considering how helpful they are for some people? it probably would turn into a good afternoon lol

[@threepe0]

@@EnigmaticLucas neither was this

[@lifeisagift2020]

Thoughty2 has produced a masterpiece... Educational, comical, intriguing and other entertaining.

[@earlysda]

A masterpiece of fake history!

[@margeryfranko1850]

He certainly has. Totally brilliant

[@earlysda]

@@margeryfranko1850 Franko, a masterpiece of fake history is what this video is.

[@Val-M.]

@@earlysda - Maybe he has delved into sources different to the ones you have . . . and that is why he has presented the information he has.

[@earlysda]

@@Val-M. Val, I've read tons of material on John Harvey Kellogg, and know the sources used in this video, and can see the fake spin clearly.

[@ceiserchief]

"so we probably shouldnt lsten to anything they say" Ive been watching your videos for like a decade or some shit, and I still love how surprisingly n refreshingly blunt u can be at times; dont change dude..

[@ajourneysaved4311]

"The road to Wellville", a great retelling with great actors.

[@joz6683]

Snap, haven't seen the film for years but I remember Anthony Hopkins plays John Harvey Kellogg, the inventor of corn flakes and plays him as a bit of a fruit loop!

[@jamesredman1263]

A long way from being true to history, but a great satire.

[@xSuperDooMx]

I scrolled into the comments to see if someone mentioned this before even watching the video lol

[@billthetraveler51]

Thank you. I couldn’t remember the name of the film. It almost died when the first title received an X rating. It was re-edited and barely got by with an R rating.

[@ajourneysaved4311]

@@billthetraveler51 i couldn't either. I did a "Matthew Broderick Kellogg" search.

[@physicsariel9237]

Put some glasses on him and he’ll look like colonel Sanders

[@gerarduspoppel2831]

Shit you are right😅😂

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

That's what I thought during the cartoon

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

_"Before cereals, breakfast had been fatty, stodgy food, like porridge and greasy bacon"_ That's a solid start to the day in Scotland 😂

[@markl5998]

Ton of people in the US still eat this way every day

[@Chickadeemedicine]

Pancakes and pemeal with generous maple syrup for us Canadians lol or a cement thick bowl of oatmeal with generous milk n brown sugar on those frigid -40C winter days

[@carlocuoghi3977]

This man really is capable of the best humor in the world, while narrating the most interesting things!

[@thepoliticallyambidextrous678]

I can't beleive I was forced to chew 40 times my whole childhood. You know what it is like to chew your mashed potatoes that many times?

[@eekee6034]

I've tried chewing a lot. You have all of my sympathies!

[@ximar0ckstrx]

I tried this once and I made me want to throw up.

[@paulawolanski3237]

People try to swallow their food whole and that's how they choke.

[@alexisjuillard4816]

Yeah i've been that hungover at a family lunch

[@Em_Elizabeth]

"Chew your juice"

[@NathanTruby]

If I were a history teacher, I would use your videos to teach my kids, cause you actually make history interesting

[@faithreturns333]

And you might be promptly fired because you have to stick to the curriculum

[@NathanTruby]

@@faithreturns333 I mean, teachers have a bit more freedom than you think They just have to teach the cirruculum, it doesn't exactly matter how it gets done

[@diligentsun1154]

where else are you gonna hear about the 'quackiest quack, who ever quacked'?

[@Edithmedjdoub]

@@NathanTruby we all know the children will love you and all but no one will remember it

[@Raven-lu5ee]

@@Edithmedjdoub we all remember our favorite teachers

[@Ndlanding]

Great show, again! I never eat Corn Flakes now, but I was brought up on them. Once, the content of the box was nearly all one, solid, quartz-shaped lump. I broke off half and sent it to Kellogg's, and they sent me back a new box (not a voucher!) and their letter said that my lumpy pack "had escaped the rolling or flaking process", words I shall never forget, as there was no word of apology. PS The other half of the shard? I got some transparent resin from the lab worked in and created a cylindrical paper-weight. Perhaps someone, somewhere is now the proud owner of that mutant Corn Flake. [No jokes about "serial" anything]

[@naomisherred166]

I wouldn't make a corny joke like that 😊😁

[@Ndlanding]

@@naomisherred166 But you would have!

[@chloef3176]

Pictures or it didn’t happen…😌

[@mytry4realz29]

I saw this on the History Channel. The show was called "The Food that built that America". This was one of the stories shared. I know this story by heart. Soooo interesting.

[@dlilwon]

Hey gurrrr, good to see ya outside you know where 🤭😆🤗

[@mytry4realz29]

@@dlilwon 🤣🤣🤣 Hey you!!! Once we see each other, in the you know where sector. I never think, we could run into each outside of that. Yay us!!! Lol. Something else we have in common 🥰💎🛸.

[@mr.niceguy1812]

"Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction" Bad Religion

[@earlysda]

Sadly, this video is bad fiction.

[@a.q.2330]

@@earlysda sheeple

[@messianic_scam]

@@earlysda really?

[@zenvirgil]

Cereals are probably one of the unhealthiest foods you can eat at breakfast.

[@kingsamuelofficial]

They we’re not created to be that’s why john and his brother broke up..

[@baldmichaelresoluteprotect1206]

Dear@LUIS VAL Probably not, although that depends on what the cereal crop was sprayed with. If it was Glycophosphate then possibly. Much USA bacon contains sodium nitrite, a poison which need not be used as salt quite sufficient for curing. Sodium nitrite leads to nitrosamines in certain conditions which are even more toxic. Hence much of USA's poor health issues today. Kind regards Baldmichael Theresoluteprotector'sson

[@_Hal9000]

@@baldmichaelresoluteprotect1206 You mean glyphosat? That is sprayed on the ground before sowing seeds. If handled in correct amounts it should be decayed by the time the plant grows. But yeah, rests remain.

[@earlysda]

Cereals are the staff of life, Fedora. You must be thinking of cereals with sugar on them.

[@zenvirgil]

@@earlysda Yes, I mean those. There are healthier cereals though, like whole wheat cereal biscuits , shredded wholegrain pillows, porridge oats and the mueslis (high fiber, no added sugar and salt).

[@blueflamezbmf3543]

He has to be my top 3 youtubers, making things educational while also being entertaining. Be my history teacher please!

[@ToxicSocks24]

Who are the other two?

[@blueflamezbmf3543]

Probably Count Dankula and The Grand Line Review of I were to pick.

[@cantescape4310]

Few people in this comment section strike me as "educated". One top comment claims circumcision made possible by this guy is a "fun fact".

[@willstikken5619]

While I enjoy this channel does educational now just mean based in reality? Which portion of your education do you beleive this video enhances?

[@hiyetu34]

Good on Will for getting out of that relationship and succeeding on his own .

[@stefangherman8408]

Now I understant why Adventists are into wellness books and living.

[@MARKIEBANUNCE]

Apparently none ever had a hardon?

[@mattluszczak8095]

How so?

[@anamari1680]

Wellness??? Lol

[@anamari1680]

@@mattluszczak8095 you marry within the group and their God is harsh. One gives up their former life. I was persued by the group 4 years ago.

[@mattluszczak8095]

@@anamari1680 i thought the holly spirit converts/ persuits?

[@TasiaLatimore112]

"Chew, chew, chew, that is the thing to do" had me cracking up. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ozehlaw]

And the part that he added that he was wasting his talent in medicine.

[@edwardbontrager9721]

Gotta hand it to the crowd. This was the funniest comment thread I can remember reading. Don't you EVER retire Thoughty!

[@garywait3231]

Thanks for this informative and entertaining documentary on the Kellogg brothers. As an American cultural historian I was somewhat familiar with their story, and the link to corn flakes cereal. And as a collector of odd Americana, I have in my collection a first edition copy of John's first book, published in Battle Creek in the late 1870's. A general home management book, it already contains some foreshadowing of his later fads and obsessions. So glad to have discovered your channel, to which I've enthusiastically subscribed. P.S. I despise corn flakes!😉

[@greenaum]

There's a film, "The Road To Wellville", that is a biography of Kellogg and his San. It's a comedy and it's pretty good. They didn't really need to change much to make it funny.

[@erezsolomon3838]

At the end, it wasn't a story about your breakfast, no, it was a story of 2 brothers who became enemies and only realized their screw-up at the end of time. Save your relationship with your loved ones, otherwise when you grow you'll regret it later, and there is no cure for the lost time. Time goes by so fast; you can never catch it. So make the most out of what left

[@LussieMagnusson]

I love this guy, he has that ability to really draw you in regardless of the topic.

[@_RydenXx]

In the end, you’ll never find a bond deeper than two brothers.

[@rebeccarayburncooper7062]

Reminds me of my very strict SDA upbringing. When I was spreading misinformation in the neighborhood about how babies get here, my mom decided it was time to give me the SDA book for kids, LOVE'S WAY. It assured me that only husbands and wives 'mated' and nowhere did it say that it's actually FUN but at least it stopped me from telling the neighbor kids that if a man peed in a woman, it made a baby!

[@ras351]

At least he wasn't a cereal killer.

[@nikkinanette8807]

They didn’t teach these details about KELLOGG in Adventist Heritage, all was said is that he was an odd individual.

[@MrGTO86]

I'm a former Adventist. All we knew growing up was he was a good entrepreneur.

[@mark9531]

Good morning Nikki You said; They didn’t teach these details about KELLOGG in Adventist Heritage. They also did not teach you that J.H. Kellogg founded the *Race Betterment Foundation.* J. Harvey Kellogg, along with Margaret Sanger were kingpins of the Eugenics movement. J. Harvey Kellogg used sterilization and Margaret Sanger used Planned Parenthood to eradicate society of what they deemed to be undesirable people. Though he could not bear the sight of his wife's pubic hair, and never consummated his marriage, J. Harvey Kellogg, at his sanitarium, made great advances in *ovariotomies,* the surgical removal of the ovaries, i.e. sterilization. Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. The largest provider of abortions in the world.

[@geoffdein2894]

I understand he was kicked out of the church. I had no idea it was HE that owned the Sanitarium

[@mark9531]

@@geoffdein2894 He didn't own the original sanitarium. It was funded by the SDA. However, it burned to the ground. Ellen White and the SDA did not want to rebuild because Kellogg had fallen away from the church. He got some investors together, borrowed a lot of money, and built a palace style Sanitarium to replace the first. All without the involvement nor consent of the SDA.

[@geoffdein2894]

@@mark9531 yes I thought it was something like that. He went “God is in everything”. I forget what they call it. Certainly deviated well away from Gods word

[@erdnati]

Psychopaths are like science.. Excellent once expressed for the good of humanity

[@JeffDoerr]

Thanks for this humorous, entertaining, and informative video. Really enjoyed it.

[@shauntatut7632]

I've watched a bunch of your videos now but this one was the funniest of them all. Your delivery of humour and sarcasm is too good. Makes for awesome watching. Thank you so much. Making learning enjoyable.

[@RIBAYRO]

I'm glad Will managed to make something out for himself.

[@craigscott2315]

Watched a documentary about him in 2010s. I think i will give this one a miss. Your channel is awesome, the information you research and present in such a clear, concise and witty manner is such a... a... : ) take care

[@davidarundel6187]

Cornflakes were never on our family's menu , nor rice bubbles . Wheatbix , were cheaper so served up to us kids over summer , with porridge during winter - always made with whole raw milk . Sometimes , we got "Creamota" , which was preferable to porridge and made the same way , with extra cream on top with a sprinkling of soft brown sugar .