Marika is the Elden Beast and the GEQ is Metyr

Join me as we connect Marika and the EB plus the GEQ and Metyr using multiple sources. Of course, there is no direct item that connects the two, but there are tons of other things we can look to for clues.
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[@SpontaneousPudding]

The elden beast is boc

[@sillypinkewe]

🤣

[@overlord9478]

That's almost more believable than this b.s lol

[@KingSleaze916]

Lmao that’s a good one

[@KingSleaze916]

@@overlord9478Ikr. Elden lore has been picked clean by the vultures they call “Loretubers” & now they’re trying to suck dry every second of content before the dlc leaves everyone’s minds then they’ll leech off the next popular game

[@dlwf11111]

@@KingSleaze916I’ve said this in the comments of a few of these videos lately and they absolutely hate when you say that to them, they really think they’re the ‘deep thinkers’ of the community.

[@LudiFGC]

Can we talk about how the elden beast battle literally takes place above the surface of water, showing the branching erdtrees reach the heavens, while Metyr’s arena is underneath the water, with the bases of fingers peaking out almost as though its some forgotten foundation?

[@bangoutni3884]

you cooked on this one

[@curtisfarley6558]

@@LudiFGC I imagine myter is microscopic

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

​@@curtisfarley6558For why? The spell Microcosm?

[@curtisfarley6558]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 not just that. She is a microcosm.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@curtisfarley6558 If Metyr is microscopic so no is the entire lands between. Not to mention it wouldn't make much sense for her child to be that much larger.

[@endlessXnow]

I love the detail that Roderika (the spiritual, descendant of the Shaman) sits across from Hewg (The physical blacksmithing descendant of the Hornsent) They both form a partnership which will result in helping you slay Marika. Seems she set it all in motion to atone.

[@allthe1]

That is a GOOD point. Hewg is very private, resilient, focused, full of devotion and guilt, whereas Roderika is unfiltered, lighthearted and unburdened. She searches and finds her strength through hardship, she encourages us to fight evil and enact justice.

[@tyzombie89]

I agree, except i don’t really think it was to atone, or at least that might only be a positive side effect. I think all Marika really wants is to escape the prison of godhood thru death. Only the FF ending and Ranni’s accomplish that goal. Some would say that the FF ending is what Marika does not want, considering it pisses Melina off. However, All we can say for certain is that *Melina* does not want it. Marika is so jaded and broken (both physically and mentally), that she’s seemingly catatonic in the endings where she does survive.

[@zeppie_]

She says so herself very directly. The echoes of Marika state: "My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace. With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die." And she continues in another echoes of Marika: "Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey." It's also Marika's very own guidance of grace that leads the tarnished directly to her

[@porkwhisperer3050]

Surely numen can’t be purely spiritual entities if you can start the game as one?

[@rexwest4532]

Exactly

[@mikovanderHeijden]

could be a translation thing

[@trashhead7989]

okay porkwhisperer3050

[@billycaldwell39th]

Numen cpuld be the physical form. The text says "descendants of denizens of another world"

[@ManEaterBrainBug]

"babe the new schizo-lore just dropped"

[@andrewburlington1318]

Facts, this makes no sense at all lol

[@halfthefunnn]

Hell yeah

[@GrandStyles]

Literally, what is he on 😭

[@tristanneal9552]

While I enjoyed listening, this video was a lot of "this wild speculation is the *only* possible explanation for something, now let's build off that assumption."

[@wannawatchavideo]

Lol, but for real I like his lore

[@dunstanbraville2967]

Who else came here to discover what GEQ is without watching the video?

[@evilfungas]

I think you need to make it clearer to people you’re talking about thematic parallels and not the “facts” of the lore. Lore-brained people have trouble with this.

[@CenteredTarnished]

haha, I can tell

[@ogtermus3973]

Thematic parallels are not the same as saying GEQ is Metyr because her head looks like a seal. The dlc tells the story of Marika and how she became a broken mother of misguided children just like Metyr. This is a thematic parallel serving the idea that the fractured cycle started before Marika.

[@dlwf11111]

@@ogtermus3973shh don’t bring up the beautiful real actual lore that was set infront of us, these guys are busy doing important lore theorising involving the most regarded theories you’ve ever heard 🤫

[@CenteredTarnished]

that was my entire point. that we can learn a lot about Marika’s / GEQ through parallel stories. I said that in the first 2 minutes of the video. in the last 2 minutes I revisit that and say they probably aren’t the same exact person but the same story which allows us to learn about each of them through their parallel story.

[@Autumn-Bomb]

@@CenteredTarnishedthen why the clickbait title that has you proposing that they are them? Why not retitle it something more clearly outlining your perspective?

[@JackisaMimic]

On the whole, I really really like the video but there is one thing I would adjust/build upon in regards to the Numen and Gate of Divinity, as part of the work that will be in my next video. “Stone hammer made in the lands of the Numen, outside the Lands Between.” - There is a place outside of the Lands Between that has stone and tool making. “The Numen are the descendants of denizens from another world.” The key is that they are descendants, so I think that the theory still stands where the progenitor is “seldom born” from the Gate of Divinity, but their physical children afterwards are still Numen. The Gate of Divinity (at least in the trailer) looks like a “birth canal”, and throughout human cultures there is a connection to femininity, child birth, and the divine. “The Numen are said to have come from outside the Lands Between, and are in fact of the same stock as Queen Marika herself” - We can use the Numen rune to build on this as well. The Numen can both come from a physical place outside the Lands Between(stone coffin space ships!), Marika can also have come from a spirit realm, and the Numen can also all be her “children” or part of the “same stock”. We find Numen Runes in four very key places: -Mohgwyn, tying the Numen to the Ancient Dynasty. -Divine Tower of Caelid, tying the Numen to the Divine Towers and divinity -Deeproot Depths, tying the Numen to the Eternal Cities And my favorite -Elphael, Brace of the Haligtree. You really think Miquella built that place on his own? I think you and I also came to a very similar conclusion on what is happening in the Story Trailer. From my last video, I said Marika essentially beckoned into that spirit realm where the Elden Beast is and imprisoned it inside of her. Godhood is a prison, but for who? Excellent work as always!

[@dominicbeller8700]

Doesn’t the Land of Shadow fit the bill for a place outside of the Lands Between that has stone and tool making?

[@SeanHoltzman]

​@@dominicbeller8700 personally Id say the Numen and the stone ships likely of their tech (and heavily spiritual stock by the items they grant) and likely what became the Shamans are from what is likely a "Land Outside." This allows the "Lands Between" to be between the ocean and Land Outside, AND then Shadowlands "Land Inside" which double entendres into the gulf of the Main map, with water surrounding the Shadowlands Land Inside as we see via the Shadowlands literally being waterlocked with lots of shore and boats, a historically amazing place for those of boating/rafting capable cultures IRL to like as they are often near Volcanoes which create exceedingly fertile lands, and thus high animal survival and thriving in those areas as well. Following that narrative, it makes sense the Shadowlands are Middle-Eastern & Mediterranean themed culturally, while Lands Between are Roman Imperial surrounding, and thus the Lands Outside (Stone tech Gaelic culture and lands) likely show "ghostlike skin" European natives/Gaels who were vastly more spiritually linked than organized religions, and were tree worshipping Shamans and many settled into the Middle East in spurts historically.

[@SeanHoltzman]

Very VERY Tolkein pilled in their adaptation of real world history into their regions and such too, Numen/Numenorians are from the "Northlands" in Gaelic/Scandanavian territory equivalents

[@JackisaMimic]

@@dominicbeller8700 the Land of Shadows used to be a physical place connected to the Lands Between only until very recently, between Godfrey’s reign as Elden Lord and while Radagon was King Consort of Caria. The suppressing pillar is said to be in the very center of the Lands Between, so the Land of Shadow is firmly not the place of origins for the Numen.

[@max784020]

After reading your comment, insta subscribed to you and now I'm gonna bench your content, great insight

[@ShadowKidIII]

A lot of this feels like spinfoil, you have a tendency to say "so obviously" only to follow up with wild headcanon, but some really great insights here and there. Particularly the bit about the cutscene of Marika's ascension showing the impact of the Elden Beast... I think you're really onto something there.

[@Jadizi]

The Greater Will is guilty of the same thing that Marika was condemned for. It broke The One Great because it had a "better" plan.

[@SugarRayD]

Frenzied flame enjoyer spotted

[@insanergamer]

Fractal plot point spotted. Welcome to FromSoft

[@ghostgate82]

This is the story of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. “I can do better than God.”

[@christianlaw1992]

It’s similar to how in asoiaf the first man break the pact with the children of the forest and this probably caused the irregular seasons. Breaking the order broke the world.

[@Jadizi]

@@SugarRayD not at all, I like Ranni and Goldmask the most.

[@absinthfux5508]

Haven't watched the entire video but something that came to mind instantly is the fact that the Elden Beast has a wound on its chest, which could be the same spot where Marika is impaled by that destined death colored spear when we find her at the end of the game. People have been speculating on what that wound could be for ages but I think you might have just solved it! In any case that is a very convincing piece of evidence to support your theory. :)

[@XNaturalPhenomenonX]

The wart on the godskin armor is a belly button.

[@dakarai47]

No connection to the blackflame nor are any apostles near or linked to her Item descriptions explicitly state the GEQ was chosen by the fingers how would the fingers choose their mother for a role she was already fulfilling?? Isnt referred to as a empyrean anywhere Her role is already stated and established in game I love speculating on lore but alot of this stuff sounds like pure headcannon half the time i cant lie

[@TireHead-ll9sc]

Yea I'm all for speculating but this feels like wild reaching rather than well connected theory with good evidence

[@beanbaby4449]

Absolutely agree, there's a difference between Good theory crafting and wild speculation and this leans toward the latter very heavily

[@OscarTheStrategist]

@@dakarai47 I guess it would have been more accurate to say Metyr is the Scadu beast not the GEQ.

[@anonfinally1692]

Same. This is like clickbait

[@Solaris3700]

Black flame ritual description -“the gloam eyed queen led the apostles is said that she was an empyrean chosen by the fingers”

[@DakkaSap]

The Godskin incantations and seal bear metyr's face, idk how much more of a hint we need really

[@naughtiousmaximus7853]

Thats insane. Its actually true.

[@zeppie_]

This makes total sense. Radagon's main characteristic is his red hair, and we're told that Marika is Radagon. If Marika is also the Elden Beast, then that would make Radagon a literal red herring. Miyazaki is truly a genius

[@v4skunk739]

How can Marika be the Elden Beast when it already existed before Marika was made in a jar to be the god of the Hornsent? You do realise the Elden beast is the Elden Ring? The Elden Ring of which Marika removed the rune of death to create her Golden Order. Radagon isn't really Marika too! Many people were put into a single jar. The DLC shows Miquella casting off pieces of his being! Pretty much giving you the hint as to how Radagon came into existence. A cast off of Marika. Marika smashed the Elden Ring because she and her children are cursed, not the chosen god of the greater will.

[@anonfinally1692]

Had us in the first half not gonna lie

[@Solaris3700]

@@v4skunk739so did miquella go through the jar ritual where does st. Trina come from

[@WheatDos]

This theory is not that Marika always was the Beast. But that Marika and the Beast are metaphorically the same thing, because of their actions, the fact that both are the Elden Ring, and because of their stories. Like God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit being the same being, but also different beings at the same time.

[@codypatton2859]

I do hope you're being facetious because this guy hasn't been right about a single thing. This guy literally thinks that Marika is a jar, the guy clearly has an IQ in the 70's.

[@SoundOfMan]

Ah, and so the ‘dead snake’ from the trailer scene is not a dead being, but a ‘skin’ that Marika has literally just shed. Very nice video and awesome connections, thanks!

[@zeppie_]

The numen actually do have notable physical characteristics, that being their slightly longer than normal arms. You can see it in Malenia, Messmer, Morgott, Rennala, and even the Elden John statues. This would most likely make them eunuchs, who were characterized for being long-limbed due to their atypical bone development. This feature might also be connected to the ways in which organisms such as some fungi and plants reproduce asexually. Most notably, the dandelion often reproduces asexually, and scatters their seeds much like the Erdtree does

[@NeiKung87]

This time I'm not very convinced of your hypotheses. If so, could you make a video with the entire timeline of the story? I thought you thought we were inside Marika's head

[@positivecontacts]

@@NeiKung87 the microcosm/macrocosm theory means that the universe can be reflected on in a grain of sand or the complexity of a flower. The game can be a metaphor for the internal consciousness of the human mind and everything in it can be symbols reflective of human existence. At the same time Marika can be a character in a story at the center of the story and reachable, the story and everything in it can be looked at as a whole to be of Marika, in Marika and about Marika. The Elden Beast and Metyr are Gold and Order and Flesh and Births, the metaphysical and the physical, extracted and seperated from each other. The lands between and the shadow realm, the scadu tree and the erdtree, lyrically are seperated, but only in the way the ‘yin-yang’ symbol is seperated. Two halves of a whole. Marika is the human who is god, who is human. Like characters from the bible, like everybody born. The game is designed to encourage exploration and interpretation of the Symbolic. Not the literal.

[@Ulta_Nagenki]

I've been saving this for the weekend since I know how impactful your ideas have been for my interpretation of not only Elden Ring but other things like Higurashi for me. It feels like a week of waiting now. But here we are! Weekend starts with ideas and stories!!

[@angelus_lucifero]

I've been debating about whether or not to chime in on your videos for a while now. I've been beyond thrilled to see somebody getting into the psychological metaphors at play in From Soft's games, as there are many recurring motifs and themes they use over and over again. It's quite explicit to me that there's very much a metaphorical and allegorical component to their story telling. And I've been seeing a lot of what you're seeing as well in Elden Ring. HOWEVER, I would like to offer some constructive feedback: Your videos have been incredibly frustrating to watch as you are regularly undermining your own case at every opportunity. There's this very "I can see it so obviously everybody else can or should be able to see it too" attitude you hold. It shows every time you attempt to offer evidence to support your theories. I say "attempt" because what generally happens is that you'll present an idea or concept maybe briefly but very incompletely, and then right when I think you're about to connect the dots you'll move on with your theory as though everybody has enough to make the connection. There's often a wealth of evidence at your disposal you're not making use of, or glossing over. As somebody who doesn't need convincing of your argument, even I find your argument lacking, so imagine grabbing somebody who's actually skeptical. Or you'll make brief reference of something you detailed in a previous video assuming everybody else is following along chronologically. I can tell you're doing this because I'm following along chronologically. So it stands out. There's rarely even a moment taken to reference said previous video in most cases. It's tedious to do it, but you've gotta do that kind of stuff. And then there's the "See this? I mean, c'mon. That obviously looks like this." Which is just cringey. You're also not including any kind of disclaimer clarifying that you're not a psychologist or psychotherapist and to take your input with a grain of salt. Nor are you flagging the parts of your theories that are speculation as speculation vs what we has already been confirmed or generally agreed upon. You're kind of just smashing it all together in a very undisciplined manner and speaking with authority. A lot of the long time From Soft lore youtubers operate on a far more strict and transparent standard. They're generally extremely good at correcting mistakes and holding themselves accountable. And whether or not people realize it, that's what builds trust more than anything. Humility, accountability, intellectual honesty/integrity. It's really disheartening to see you in the comments of your own videos responding to valid criticism of your theories in a retaliatory way. Especially when people are pointing to the flimsy evidence you provided like the GEQ and Metyr connection hinging on a wart or the shape of her head being similar to that of the Godslayer seal. I think it does too! But the response definitely shouldn't be "it's all head cannon anyway!" You're just further driving that wedge between what you want to communicate and any chance of it being received or convincing. You really might need to step back, disengage from your ego and ask yourself honestly if you are capable of holding yourself to a much stricter standard than you currently are. Intellectual honestly is hard and takes a lot of work. It's worthwhile for sure. But I couldn't imagine going through it's growing pains in such a public way. Just kind of bummed because I was genuinely excited that somebody was finally getting into the Jungian analogs this game is rife with. I just wish it were given more careful and thoughtful consideration.

[@CenteredTarnished]

First, I appreciate the thoughtful comment but this is exactly what I don’t want. For some reason there is this immediate expectation that if someone is going to put a video up, it must be 100% correct in every way. I must perfectly introduce a topic, connect it just so to in game lore (which has been covered by 1,000 other people), talk about it just long enough but not too long, cite my sources as if I’m giving a dissertation. I do this for fun because I love the story and the art being made, not to be a “KZbinr” or convince people my way of thinking is right. In fact, in most of my videos I say, this is just my interpretation and it’s left vague because that’s how Miyazaki creates his lore. I literally end this video saying, it’s up for each of us to make sense of it, this is just my opinion. I have said many times, I am not a psychologist. I have said in most of my videos, including this one, this is my personal interpretation/ speculation. I don’t care if it’s not up to your standard. I don’t care if you think it’s cringey. I don’t care if there are things ways I could bolster my argument because then it becomes something I love into a job, which it’s not. If you see these connections and would do it better, just do it. Don’t watch my videos and complain. If it’s not all head canon, why ( after 3 years of dissecting every inch of this game and data), are the comments in every video so disconnected? How can lore hunters get to such different conclusions through the same evidence? The only way that happens is if the game is more closely aligned with art than it is a novel. Art is subjective. It’s not science. We don’t have a 1,000 page manuscript about which characters inner thoughts were or why they did something. Everything is speculation. Everything is head canon. If you expect perfection from a dude recording an analysis about a video game in the basement after work, while his 3 year old son is playing in the background; it’s not me who should take a step back. I do this for fun. it’s not a career, I’m not getting a PHD in Elden Ring lore. Relax.

[@gustavr2618]

"You really might need to step back, disengage from your ego and ask yourself honestly if you are capable of holding yourself to a much stricter standard than you currently are. Intellectual honestly is hard and takes a lot of work. It's worthwhile for sure. But I couldn't imagine going through it's growing pains in such a public way." He's not promoting Child labor, chill 🤣

[@dlwf11111]

@@CenteredTarnisheddamn you literally reacted in the exact way he said you’d react.

[@angelus_lucifero]

@@CenteredTarnished Fair enough man. If you're just doing this for fun, and not trying to be the next "Tarnished Archeologist," as you put it, then by all means ignore what I said. But if there's any part of you that's trying to make yourself relevant in this corner of the youtubes, it's a pretty saturated space as it is. Again, throwing my input in because I think you've got something worth sharing, that's all. But, just for some clarification, I never said that I or anybody else expects 100% perfection. Being honest, humble, correcting mistakes or what have you, has nothing to do with perfection. In fact, it allows for one to be far from perfect. It's the way one conducts themselves. As for art being subjective, of course it is. But if that's your core argument or best defense under it all, good luck being taken seriously.

[@angelus_lucifero]

@@gustavr2618 well I AM promoting child labor, know any children needing a job?

[@ernakopmak5373]

Wait, wasn't GEQ defeated by Maliketh? Also, Cathedral of Manus Metyr should've hosted at least a couple of godskin apostles which are thought to be GEQ's children

[@bigblinkerbeeepbeeep2370]

Facts and Metyr has no connection to anything godskin related not the flame or apostles lol

[@CenteredTarnished]

you think her face just happens to look like that?

[@demonicpoession4562]

​@@CenteredTarnishedSo your entire theory is based off her face kinda looking like a symbol of a clan that doesn't reference or is linked to her at all?? That's extremely flimsy argument to base a whole theory on

[@salamndert]

⁠@@demonicpoession4562what else could it be

[@CenteredTarnished]

@@demonicpoession4562 I provided 30 minutes of an argument, you just don't like it. Doesn't make it any more or less true. How come we never hear of Messmer? Look at all of the comments and tell me what the correct theory is? EVERYONE has come to a different conclusion based off the same evidence. There is no right or wrong.

[@shadquirk607]

I think Marika is a vessel for, and not the actual, Elden Beast. She has her own mind and takes actions that directly relate to her life pre-godhood, so I think it's fair to say she houses the EB as a vessel for the Greater Will. This would also make her a god as there is little physical distinction between being a thing and being a vessel for the thing, both allow her to weild power but only one of those gives her personal agency. Also I feel that if Metyr was anything more than what we're shown we would know, as Ymir seems to know enough about it to be able to weild it's power. Surely he would of relayed to us that Marika killed this part of the GW as or in it's Gloam Eyed Queen form, but he doesn't, and neither does any of the in game lore. We're told she's still waiting for instruction, which is impossible to reconcile with being killed. This GEQ thing is getting out of hand, it's like every single theory has to relate to her on some way, and though I believe she's important who she was is not anywhere near as important as what the greater lore community would have us believe.

[@allthe1]

I think the notion that the GEQ is dead comes out of some influential loretuber's arse that somehow was made popular canon. There is absolutely nothing in game that says this! Please prove me wrong

[@rexwest4532]

Fr the GEQ insanity needs to stop. Everyone is desperate to connect her to something she isn’t connected to. It’s ok to leave her the way she is presented.

[@darkspiro6467]

The idea of the one great being a full hand reminds me of something from journey to the west where wukong is chllaged to jump out of buddas hand and so he jumps to the edge of the universe but when i looked up he saw the buddas fingers and and realized the budda held the universe in his hands

[@v4skunk739]

Can tell no one here reads the item descriptions.

[@giorgiocotogno3903]

Finally, a true statement in this comment section

[@arnoldkotlyarevsky383]

Hey man, I uh, don't really agree with your analysis here, but you did a great job with the editing, audio, and scripting. Im sad some people are being so mean. Analyzing these games is hard. I sure as shit dont have the courage to put my ideas out i the world.

[@CenteredTarnished]

much appreciated! can’t do anything about people’s reactions- just keep grinding.

[@Virus_On_Aberration]

I honestly think your take on the lore is the most interesting and most accurate tbh.

[@josephchambers4509]

So why can the player character be a numen if it’s a spiritual godly creature?

[@NeonRainTEOM]

True 🎉

[@demonicpoession4562]

Lol everytime i look back at this video/comments i see another contradiction this guy made

[@ravendelacour1917]

In Judiac lore a fallen angel is forced into physical form when they lose their god's grace. Since the Greater Will is missing or dead they can't or won't give the Numen grace. Since Marika is a local god not an Outer God, she doesn't bear enough grace to grant any younger Numan their own spiritual form but instead empower their physical form. When grace is removed, the charcater is known as Tarnished, which is likely the term for fallen for the Golden Order. Thus the graceless Tarnished PC Numen is then functionally little more than a human being at the start of the game.

[@krakoa942]

Personally I think Centered is only maybe half-right. Numen are more spiritual than average people, but not pure spirits like the Elden Beast. In Japanese they're called "Marebito" which are supernatural characters in folklore that come from "afar" (implied to be a mystical land) bringing wisdom. So, supernatural, but not spirits like yokai. I think the Elden Beast is less of a god than the Greater Will, Marika is less of a god than the Elden Beast, and her children are less of a god than her. It's one of many spiraling patterns in the game. Marika was closer to a god than anyone else, which allowed her to ascend, but she needed to ascend to become a pure spirit and god.

[@Autumn-Bomb]

“Before I go, I just want to recap why I think Marika and the Elden beast ARE ONE AND THE SAME.” And you’re in the comments trying to say you only meant thematically the same, lol.

[@luckyowl6432]

Ever since I saw the story trailer I've been convinced that's Radagon in front of the Gate and recently saw a theory that connected Radagon and Seamsters and how he might have been the one to " weave" the Strands together. Along with the reddish hair and seemingly male figure I'm convinced Radagon played a bigger part in the birth of the Golden Order. Also the phrase "leal hound of the Golden Order" comes to mind. I'm still confused on the details but the more time passes the more sure I am that it's Radagon ( or Marika taking control or transitioning to/from him or something like that ) Also to me The Threads look like infant hair being taken out of Metyrs womb/injury.

[@shinyhydreigon7257]

The lore that the general community seems to paint the EB as is clearly incomplete. The melancholic music of the fight is proof enough, and the music is as much, if not more of an indicator of the story than any simple item description. The EB has always clearly been a representation of Marika; not so much her flesh, or even her mind, but her soul. At the start of the game, Marika is dead, and has already been reborn as Roderika, we know that all manner of Death wash up in The Lands Between, Godwyn was likely reborn as Vyke too. When people die outside of the confines of the Erdtree, they are reborn without their memories, THAT is one of the biggest differences between true death and the Erdtree, to keep the memories of the dead alive. Rememberances are Hewn into the Erdtree, which we end up burning. So, when we fight Elden Beast, we are fighting not Marika, but Marika's original vision for the world. A pure, and elegant idealistic Order of Gold. The Elden Beast, is a question: "Are you sure you want the dream to die? A pure ideal of life. A benevolent wish of an orphaned girl." We are killing all that remains of Marika, her last, most pure vestige of her grasp on this world. And, like all good things, it dosn't die easily, it is scared, and runs away, it glides through the air, showcasing its beauty, it reminds me of a juvenile dolphin or a whale playing in the water, that we have to snuff out. There is also the parallel between the gameplay too. We have likely spent 100+ hours in this game when we fight the Elden Beast, filled with lots of suffering and rage, but also all the joy that comes with overcoming the challenges that are the source of said suffering. Now, we are fully aware that the Elden Beast is our final worthy foe, are we ready for the journey to end? Are we ready to finally slay... our White Whale.

[@FyerBear]

Radagon is Marika, and it is explicitly told to us

[@dlwf11111]

@@FyerBeardon’t you GET IT?! they told us BUT we know it’s all a RED HERRING!!1! Don’t you SEE? They want us to BELIEVE 🤪🤡

[@rexwest4532]

You lost me at “Reborn as Roderika” lmaooo

[@amator3k]

" Everyone who came with me. They ( The Tarnished ) crossed the sea for ME. They fought, for ME. "

[@shinyhydreigon7257]

@@amator3k "Roderika never once saw the guidance of Grace."

[@michaeljohnston8891]

You should watch Attack on Titan. One of the most critical characters introduced in the later seasons shares a litany of thematic parallels to Marika, from being the wife of a barbarian chieftain, becoming a vessel for an ancient god-like being who bears a striking resemblance to the Elden Beast, and wishing to create a world devoid of death and suffering as a consequence of the traumas of her own life

[@rexwest4532]

Yup, Elden beast looks a lot like hallucigenia

[@OscarTheStrategist]

Hmm… so what you’re saying is that when the game says Metyr is the daughter of the greater will, it just means that once upon a time Metyr was a representative of the ruling order of the world. Marika defeats the GEQ and establishes a new world order, enacting her will as now the “greater” will. Marika disappears and since her will was considered the “greater” will, it is thought of as the greater will abandoning the world. The “lands between” is not only space but time, spacetime. So in this period of time, multiple outer gods are jockeying to position themselves as the “greater” will and enact their order. However, Marika is not defeated yet, and whoever defeats her, will choose what the next order, and thus, “greater will” will be. Interesting.

[@BrassPetals3Voices]

I think an important missing piece in all of this are Marika's direct connection to Demihumans through GEQ. Boc tells us at the very start that he was kicked from his home, told never to come back - and *became a tree*. His mother is gone, but from her he learned to sew the skins of gods that we wear as armor. In fact - he *recognizes* the emblem of royalty on the needle. The shield of the Guilty, in the Demihuman ruins is another clue. Then there are the Queens Gilika, Maggie and Margot. Named with the conventions of the Demigods Godwyn, Mogh and Margot. Queen Marigga fits as well. Marika I think was primitive at first, maybe moreso than Demihumans. Gold transformed her, granting intelligence to her maybe.

[@blueandrade7576]

You made this make more sense than when the teachers were trying to explain the father, son, and holy spirit to me in catechism

[@vasylpark2149]

I we are talking about Miyazaki, a five finger hand makes sense as he loves his berserk references and five fingers are the god hand.

[@giorgiocotogno3903]

Not to sound like an ahole, but the wind it's only inside the gate' portal and not outside, if you look you'll see even the sky is different in and outside the portal, so I don't think the elden beast landing theory is correct (Also, where I can find the interview where Miyazaki said that the erdtree and marika shares their origins in the lands of shadows? I'm genuinely curious) Also also, the elden beast it's not the start of the erdtree, it's the start of the elden ring and order as a concept, the erdtree was not around when the elden beast landed (placidusax was elden lord before the age of the erdtree, so placidusax served a god who had the elden ring/elden beast before the erdtree)

[@eazyelof4283]

First, Marika is not that old. There are young versions of her at the precipice of anticipation, which was built at the end of the Great Tree Era, showing she was just gaining recognition within the Great Tree culture. This is probably marking the beginning of the end of the Great Tree Era, because there's a lot of Erdtree Crucible things around there too. The architecture of this time period is much younger than Farum Azula. Second, the elden ring is still around at the end because its more of a thing than a lifeform. While we fight Radagon he embodies the Elden Ring/Beast/Order itself. Then we kill him. Then Order itself personifies itself as the Elden Beast and tries to wield its figurehead (Radagon) against us. We can't just try to destroy an oppressive order without any consequence. So Order personifies itself to dish out karma, and it fails. Now it's pliable, and workable. So we can work it into a new kind of order. The new order is literally made from the remains of the Elden Beast/Ring. Life from death is a common motif in this game. Third, the dlc trailer is showing the brith of the Golden Order Era. Not the first Erdtree Era. First it was Godfrey and Age of Erdtree/Plenty, then Radagon and Golden Order (and GEQ defeated), then Night of the Black Knives. No one in the Shadowlands mention Radagon and the Golden Order, but refer to Godfrey and the Erdtree constantly. So the separation was after the Erstree was already around. Also, the gust of wind can literally just be a gust of wind. Its a common biblical motif, go to high mountain commute with God, get response via weather. Its not that deep. Meryr has 4 fingers and she was first. Elden Beast has 5 fingers and we know intelligence came with a 5th finger. Also, what about Diallos? He leaves behind a Numen Rune, suggesting he was numen. Numen are seldom born.. unless you've become a god and wield the power of life and the laws of the world within your very womb. Thats why the beast has that scar the elden ring is in Marikas womb. I suspect its why she wanted to become a god, because her kind was massacred, she wanted to control life

[@allthe1]

Diallos has become the God of the coming age by the exalted and selfless act of sacrificing his body in defense of the sacred flesh pots industry. He's definitely a Numen

[@blackbomber72]

Its a bit sad a good chunk of the Elden Ring lore community gives a tough time to analysis like this one, since they only believe what item descriptions literally say and ignore bigger themes, parallelisms between characters and to real life, and art direction. While i dont agree fully with this take (I disagree in that i am not sure if Numen=Shaman, and that I believe Marika had to get counsel from the fingers before the Elden Beast arrived, maybe this could be the betrayal? And that is why Metyr is wounded?, though i like the idea that to be a god you have to be a spirit and have a body as consort (maybe the reason it is called consort is because it HAS to be an intimate comunnion with a God, that is the literal meaning of Enir-Ilim)

[@TheShadowOfHumanity]

Patches is the Gloam Eyed Queen. Vyke is the Gloam Eyed Queen. Batman is the Gloam Eyed Queen.

[@Lazarus_Cardinalis]

It's much more plausible to voich for the fact that Marika was at one point the GEQ, as Dominula Celebrants (who are vety similar to Marika's shamans) wear both Erdtree and Godskin crests on their capes (the golden and blue ones respectively). She used the power of destined death to defeat her enemies and fashioned her apostles in conformity to the Crucible to gain the trust of the hornsent, only to then betray them and take revenge for her people. She then sealed away destined death and retroactively made the GEQ out to be a different person to distance herself from that part of her past

[@mkm7251]

I never noticed the rib cage in the Elden beast’s sword! That’s so freaky!

[@nathanielscott6159]

It is also in the Finger Slaying Blade of Nokron.

[@ReddAngry]

I really liked this theory. My biggest problem is that Marica is left handed and the Elden Beast uses its right hand to attack with the sword. Speaking on handedness; I haven’t heard a single person mention this: Marica uses her left hand in the story trailer. During the fight with Radagon, he uses his right hand to hold the hammer and the left hand is a shadow-like form of an arm. I’ve noticed these detail but I don’t have the knowledge to search out further connections

[@raysandrarexxia941]

Cool vid, but a few criticisms: • I feel like you reiterated your point far too often. • The GEQ was barely, if at all, addressed in this video. • I feel like you are stating everything as fact here, even when you say "take it with a grain of salt."

[@CenteredTarnished]

Fair enough!

[@gustavr2618]

Really insightful! With a story being told on so many levels you do a great job of getting your point across. Always look forward to your vids, keep it up! edit: glossed over the comments and wanted to add; Many commenters can't see the symbolisms, but must have cold hard facts, shame.(cause they're never gonna get it, lol)

[@CenteredTarnished]

Couldn't agree more! Thank you for the kind words

[@Billyboy597]

I'm listening to this talk on Aztec Gods, and the presenter just said that "tears of children" were thought to bring rain. Which would line up with your analysis of the Weeping Pennsylvania. Your Weeping Pennsylvania analysis is very good

[@SaicomantisJ]

Marika is the vessel of the Elden Beast. Once her mortal form is defeated (Radagon), the Elden Beast emerges. They have the same wound because it inhabited her body. Also the Greater Will must be a separate entity from Marika, because it imprisoned her withing the Erdtree. I doubt she did that to herself.

[@RevanX77]

Marika is the Erdtree. The person pinned up within the Erdtree is Radagon, and the one who imprisoned him was Marika herself.

[@EldenRingBuildsArchive]

11:40 These aren’t the only Numen, the Nox is a Numen civilization that betrayed the Greater Will, also, it should be noted, we don’t know how many years it took for Marika to have all those children (all of them born with complications), but we do know that Godfrey isn’t a Numen, nor Rennala, and that the modern day bloodline is diluted looking at Godrick, so neither of them except Miquella and Malenia are full blooded Numen

[@HokeyBugle]

While I agree we can trust Hyettas words, I think the “mistake” the greater will made is a matter of opinion. I think the one great intentionally created the fractures and souls. It wanted to create life. It split portions of itself off and gave each living being free will, while also keeping a large portion intact as the “greater will”. While the flame of frenzy sees the pain and hardship that free will creates as a mistake, characters like Melina believe it’s all worth it. (Her dialogue when trying to convince you not to take the frenzied flame) This also ties into Goldmasks ending because I think the conclusion he ultimately reached is that free will is the problem with the golden order. (Expressed as “fickleness).

[@richizzle39]

Title: “Marika is the Elden beast” Opening statement: “it’s finally time to explain why Marika and Elden beast represent the same concept” Thanks clickbaiter.

[@ghostgate82]

Every character in the game is a personified concept. Learn to hermeneutics.

[@MainMan-x2k]

@@ghostgate82 Not even remotely true, nor does that negate from this near clickbait title "Marika/Eldenbeast,Metyr/Gloam eyed queen share the same greater theme" would have been a better title of that was the goal in the first place

[@allthe1]

​@@ghostgate82Not convinced, therefore clickbait! 👍💯🧠

[@dlwf11111]

@@allthe1you are genuinely just stupid aren’t you.

[@mikeekim8567]

Tarnished psychologist back at it again

[@TSpoon823]

Man your (kinda click-baity ngl) title really threw people and how they were receptive to the content. Yours is a "psychology and thematic analysis" channel not a "This is the literal meaning of every item and event in the game" channel, even though there is overlap. The problem is that this approach is MUCH harder to communicate in a succint way that appeals to the broader lore community even if it might be really insightful and helpful as we try to then understand the lore and timeline of the game itself. You're presenting great stuff. Don't feel like you have to play "the lore game."

[@CenteredTarnished]

much appreciated!

[@TSpoon823]

@@CenteredTarnished absolutely. I'm not being critical at the bottom. Just a hopefully a word of encouragement.

[@TSpoon823]

@@CenteredTarnished absolutely. Dude, I tried to reference your video about the Lands Between on Reddit to get conversation going and got down voted like crazy because people weren't understanding the point, nor did they want to dive deeper. The fact that a psychological theory of trauma literally talks about a middle reality in the subconscious mind, the fragmented self, and a Shadow where a victim hides their darkest secrets is just spot on. It's 1 to 1 and it sheds so much light on the characters and events of this game. There's plenty of space to talk about the timeline, who certain characters were, etc., but I'm loving the deeper thematic dives you're doing that most of us are missing. It's so much more interesting to me. But because we are trained to think "facts", people don't understand what you mean by Metry = the GEQ. Honestly I don't know if I agree with the thumbprint being the Black Flame sigil. But who cares? The thematic implication is interesting and I'll hear you out.

[@mikovanderHeijden]

i think you are correct about pretty much everything in the video, i loved it

[@JoduCercle]

Bro is on meth and can prove it. Bro the Elden Beast is entirely different being a tool of the Greater Will, while Marika/Radagon is a tool of the Greater Will. This is shown in the symbolic of Radagon becoming a Sword, showing he is just a tool in the end. The injury on the elden beast where Marika tried to shatter the Elden Ring.

[@TheMuffinManIsHappy]

No.

[@HenryVonWienersnitchzel]

Don't listen to the haters, this is good shit.

[@killerking2346]

Can't wait for Last Protagonist to watch this...

[@oosyboosy3549]

If numen are purely spiritual how come we can select one as a starting class?

[@Win_Condition]

Saw the title of this video in my notifs and my face immediately went 🧐 as so many pieces just started aligning

[@RevanX77]

"Numan are spiritual beings! Look, see how the Black Knife Assassins are bodiless suits of armor!" Five minutes earlier: "Look, the Numen in character creation are just completely normal people!" Elden Ring loretubers are so cooked it's unreal.

[@KarvyKlaugs]

2:35 You thought I wouldn't hear that tittle toot? You're mistaken buddy, I keep my volume on FULL blast

[@CenteredTarnished]

haha that was actually my son

[@KarvyKlaugs]

@CenteredTarnished I'd rather believe you ripped ass on the mic and just kept it

[@Jatch25]

The description of the sacred relic sword raises some issues for your theory. "Wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal" heavily indicates that the elden beast crafts the sword from Marika/Radagon's remains, not just Radagon's. As a side note, the second part of the sacred relic sword's description has always been very mysterious to me. "Thoughts on what the weapon portends are many and varied." suggests that this sword has been seen by many people previously, so this isn't the first time a god got swordified. "Some consider it the mark of a great sin, or a sign of great devastation. Some think of it as the end of an age, while others; the beginning." This makes me think that each age ends and begins with the killing of a god.

[@qiangbi5683]

Maybe Marika reincarnates at each age? but how though?

[@zephyruspring]

The problem with involving Marika in the sword is that her body returns to an upright position after the EB is defeated. We don't have a lot to go on regarding the magics at play but would her body be able to transform back after the fight? Honestly it's easier to piece together if the EB was some kind of illusion. The erdtree and grace do seem to have some kind of mass hallucination effect going on. I do believe the Hornsent saw the elden beast wielding the weapon though. I've always thought that particular design mark all over enir ilim and the giant nox chairs were a reference to the elden beast's wings, and so it fits that they would would worship it if it played a role in starting a new age. We don't know much about the god that reigned over the hornsent's age beyond something to do with divine beasts, nor do we know much about the age that directly preceded the hornsent.

[@Melesniannon]

Regarding your idea that gods have been swordified before, have you ever taken a good look at the Fingerslayer Blade?

[@KosOrSomeSayKosmo]

Don't forget that FromSoft love double meanings. Numen are literally "new people", people who have been born again in some form. It's a state that one achieves.

[@protestantanon2534]

I think the concise term you’re looking for here is a “constant struggle over the Overton Window”

[@protestantanon2534]

Lmao that corgi butt got me ded

[@DjDolHaus86]

I'm with you on the Marika/Elden beast thing but I think you're reaching with the Metyr stuff

[@ManFromThePits]

You know, I'd been thinking this for a while. Somewhere I heard that the Elden Beast appears to have a wound in its side, in roughly the same place where we see Marika impaled; also, Radagon represents Marika's physical aspects, while Marika is more spiritual - in other words, Marika wields Radagon as a weapon. Then the Elden Beast appears, turns Radagon into a sword, and starts attacking him with you, once again using Radagon as its weapon. Finally, if the Elden Beast was NOT Marika, its presence at the end of the game might be a little random.

[@cwill14]

Something that could backup your theory: the black katana used by Jolan has a black flame ethereal aspect to it.

[@fightinggamesexplained453]

I actually kinda like the idea that Marika and Metyr were once the same entity... rough putting the pieces together tho lol. Could maybe explain why Metyr had an innate connection to the greater will? She has a wound in her belly also.

[@AOMt.]

Love that point about disparity coming with the rise of consciousness. I'd been thinking that the One Great could refer to "a time before consciousness." A time before self-awareness. A time of an almost innocent immaturity, sometimes brash and ignorant of its own ignorance. The darkness upon the face of the deep, before Marika said, Let there be light. Marika with the Greatest Will of all.

[@GothicPrincessAlice]

This makes me think of Melina, a purely spiritual being, accompanying us, the Tarnished, a great warrior/mage/hero/villain as the embodiment of a physical character.

[@ShadmehR_23]

Lots of things you said i was thinking about.. I don't know why fanbase are better to say fanboys Want everything to completely match.. That's not the point of from software stories.. They use a story to use it as a reference to a bigger story. or the other way around.. Your videos aren't meant for kids that's for sure. Lots of ppl play games just to play not to learn something.. But the games are the most complete way of learning cuz you can experience it.. unlike books or movies that you have to imagine or just be watching and your passive. Video games are different for me. and im happy there are ppl like you and Tarnished Archeologist out there.. Keep it up bro.. I really don't like the hate you're getting.. Don't think about it.. But i need a video about why Ranni killed Godwyn.. why him of all ppl? They were connected like Marika and Radagon too? or Miquella and Radahn? Cuz they are like exact opposite of each other just like other couples that i mentioned..

[@BradleyOmNomWorth]

Best Ad placement ever! “Let’s hear what Hyetta had to say…” *Ad Starts* “I’m an influencer, so of course I have more designer bags than Beyoncé has hits” 💀

[@yviefae]

i just thought metyr touched a frog and gained sight like i did

[@Von_Craven]

You look at the Godskin Noble's armor again and tell me that isn't just a fat guys chest and belly.

[@northstar12389]

Elden Ring is basically a Dark Inside Out Movie

[@telerobotic]

Whoa what. Metyr is GEQ? Well, this will be a take, that’s for sure.

[@r3gret2079]

"Cuz warts" bro, duh. Lol jk

[@michaelgrant4164]

Metyr's face is literally the same shape as the godslayer seal and the godslayer incantation symbol

[@TireHead-ll9sc]

​@michaelgrant4164 They look vaugley similar, if that's your only "proof" for your theory it isn't very good, from would have added alot more hinting at it if this was the case other than "look her face kinda looks like this symbol a little bit, GEQ confirmed!!!"

[@CenteredTarnished]

did you really just say From would give us more clues? when have they ever done that?

[@theenchilada5290]

Nah, GEQ has to be Melina. She's the twin sister of Messmer and was the chosen empryean by the fingers to replace Marika. Of course that would mean the end of the Golden Order and someone in mind didn't take that fact lightly.

[@ToadimusPrime]

I 100% agree Marika is the Elden Beast, as well as her being the God of EVERY age. She's clearly depicted in Farum Azula, and we know it's her because she has the 3 wolves which is the first summon we get, as well as Hewg saying Roderika reminds him of Marika, because of spirit tuning. And it's hinted she was also God during the Hornsent era as well. As for Metyr being GEQ...that's a theory I can't accept because it's somewhat illogical. I believe the grand seduction and betrayal was Marika killing the GEQ, because it appears she's removing the Golden Threads from a serpent, and GEQ "birthed" the Godskins. Beyond that, it's hinted that Marika's pre-golden order bloodline were all serpents, including her. And serpents are linked to fire. Messmers serpent is abyssal flame, GEQ's is black flame. I still strongly believe Melina was GEQ and a black flame serpent, it's like we keep ignoring the Frenzy Flame bonus cutscene entirely. But she's not Metyr. Metyr pre-dates Marika. She pre-dates the age of beasts, hornsent age and golden age. I'm certain Metyr's only purpose was to put an end to the Crucible and take hold of the land for the Greater Will. And once that was done, and Marika was in charge, it lost contact with it's Mother. I just think we shouldn't ignore obvious things like the Frenzy bonus cutscene. Miyazaki often gives us a direct answer and we ignore it and push it aside because it's our nature to doubt. Elden Ring is about dual natures of gods. I just don't think Metyr is anything more than what was directly said to us. The fingerprint is very strong evidence though, I won't deny that. Appreciate the video though, I do agree with parts of it, just not all of it. If I'm wrong and your theory is fully true, I'm okay with that.

[@CJusticeHappen21]

You know, I always thought that the bay in the middle of the map might have been created by a celestial vody crashing into the Lands Between. It's also the sort of thing that GRRM would write, so there's that

[@michaelprochilo7945]

Radagon also has the lattice symbol, and a lattice is a physical object that plants use to ascend.

[@zamis769]

That’s so funny because I was starting to just think that the GEQ was Eiglay’s ancestor at this point. I knew it couldn’t be Melina, as it just didn’t make sense timeline-wise now that we know she’s Messmer’s younger sister, making her both younger than Marika as well as her daughter. GEQ is heavily implied to be at least as old as Marika if not much older.

[@HERscourge]

Here's my "hot take" that I've had from the beginning: The Player is the Greater Will, who sends its avatar to the Lands Between (we can't directly affect the game, we need a tool that is "physical" to the game to directly interact to establish whatever new order we decide, after traveling the Lands Between to see the truth of things.

[@OfficialChrissums]

they call it wartlike because warts are commonly found on fingers not because theres a somewhat wartlike thing on the back of the godskin noble clothing.

[@ghostgate82]

My man knows about fractals. Excellent hermeneutics, bro.

[@JayJayFlip]

The only thing I would point out acts in contrast is that the Elden beast is the enemy of Marika. She more than anybody makes it possible to be defeated. She tasks Hewg with the smithing of weapons to kill a god. She guides the tarnished with grace to the tree and then the giant's forge. While I agree she is connected to the elden ring and even her body is broken by it's breaking it is her who breaks it. By unleashing destined death into the world again we finish her work by literally introducing the antithesis of her order into itself like a spear in the body of Christ. All this was made possible only through her own actions. It is Radagon who defies this, seeking to supplant her but he fails at this; “O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.” Through this Marika clearly shows in the end she has chosen to oppose the Golden order before Radagon can become the dominant personality.

[@dylanmiller9162]

People seem to go wild mythologizing the one great, I think it’s just the universe before life. Life is what divides and distinguishes, what says ‘this is different from that’

[@ravendelacour1917]

Regarding the wind embracing Marika at the Gates of Divinity, one of the translations for Numen and Spirit is "Breath" and symbolizes the breath of the Divine stirring the waters of the primordial Void to bring forth Creation. Thus Marika is being infused by Divine energy by summoning this Divine breath to her with the mass sacrifice. Essentially Marika forged the Elden Ring, implanted it in herself using the Shaman ability to meld flesh, summoned the Elden Beast by sacrificing hundreds of Hornsent, the Beast entered the Ring and empowered it to make Marika a local god.

[@EBDeveloper]

marika is miquella is radagon is the beast is the EVERYTHING.. it's - everything is everything. The question becomes, what is the thing that creates everything. While it is part of everything, without it, nothing could be.

[@MarsBo2]

Don’t let comment goblins discourage your theory crafting

[@dlwf11111]

Comment goblins?? So critisism is bad and we should just all happily except every theory thrown out?? Do you know how real life works??

[@MarsBo2]

@@dlwf11111 where did I say criticism is bad? Oh, I didn’t. I told him not to get discouraged from people who don’t offer criticism but I called them a mean name. Do you know how words work?

[@AkioJunichiro]

If I had to go in that direction I would said that GEQ was also a shaman and was put in Metyr wound, then 'human" features like the arms appear on Metyr

[@TheJoker-bz2uz]

4:41 wild tarnished ghost appears! 😆😆

[@oleschannel3551]

I'm glad you got more popular, but it also had the negative effect of attracting the insane haters. That's yin and yang in practice.

[@arkghost3010]

Shadows lands is where marika first set foot, and we know that also elden beast and myter landed there.

[@glowindark64]

I think elden beast landed in deep root depths thooo

[@SpectraSkittle]

2:06 And yet, you do anyway. Why do you do that? In order to even meet Hyetta, the player first has to trigger a flag by speaking to Irina. So, Hyetta steals Irina's body, changes her name; the player will always be aware of this; and none of this is ever addressed in game. Hyetta is literally lying to you from the start; is worshipping a 'god' that is all about duplicity and falsehood; but you think she'd have no reason to lie to you. Yea, and I've got a timeshare to sell you.

[@AnsonRhys]

Suggestion: Marika + Radagon = Elden beast.

[@TheJoker-bz2uz]

Alright, random pictures Corgi butts spliced in everytime you say "but"... I think I may like you. Subscribed

[@marcelperes6842]

I do agree that Marika is the elden beast

[@karl6525]

9:50 Marikas children are not Numen though.

[@Juggla23]

I still think the opening shows Marika pulling the Golden threads from the eye of a giant snake...

[@adamh8101]

I like your theory. Metyr's rememberance does say she was the first shooting star; though its possible they both landed at the same time.

[@BlueberryBatter]

Finally had my chance to watch. You’ve officially gained a middle aged fangirl. Congratulations or sorry about your luck, whichever applies. (Have you ever considered doing a pop-psych/pop-philosophy podcast? Thus far, I’ve enjoyed your content, Human Who Thinks. Not at stories are about the plot, and I find your perspectives delightful.)

[@lgbel3950]

I've always seen Metyr as a representation of Moses/Abram and the Elden Beast as a representation of the 10 commandements. Since Marika is quite obviously portraid as Jesus and all that