Should The Mariners Trade a "Soto Package" for Luis Robert?

With the White Sox in town playing Seattle, the question of whether Luis Robert Jr. should be allowed to leave the city is being asked. Should the Mariners trade some marquee prospects for Luis Robert Jr.'s services? Rumor has it that the asking price is astronomical.
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[@pmal5680]

The White Sox saying they’re looking for that type of deal is absolutely nuts. Still absolutely want the Mariners so go out and try though albeit for a much more reasonable price

[@DrWestlake]

Robert had 172 SO vs 30 BB in his best season, during his prime age, while healthy, which is wildly disconcerting when it's a player you literally are trading the farm to acquire, and who will have diminished defensive value playing out of position (can't play CF), and who will already be getting pushed out of the league in the next 5-6 years because of his poor contact numbers... I'm not sure he's better than Canzone or Raley when you factor in trade cost, health, money, years of control, and poor RHB vs RHP splits (79 OPS+ against RHP and 121 OPS+ against LHP starting play yesterday). This is the kind of guy that makes the Luis Urias trade look smart... I would rate this a biohazard level acquisition. This is definitely a hype of help trade.

[@BigPUNoy]

Unless they're getting Soto for a "Soto Package", then they can flip off!

[@MrCPrasky]

NO

[@jerolddaleske3966]

White Sox are being unreasonable. I would switch to Vlad or Alonso with a France being out 2 to 2 months. Alonso will be a bit less expensive being a FA at the end of the year.

[@victorunger]

France always does this, gets hurt so he can’t be traded. He is tanking his own value. He has barely been serviceable.

[@patmcgroin1547]

Roberts is not on Sotos level and always injured. I would pass on this lol

[@accentball]

The Mariners equivalent Hassell = Young (both highly touted up the middle talent) Wood = Emerson (both highly touted in the industry and in both orgs. Both have top 10 in the minors potential) Abrams = Ford (more up the middle talent) Gore = we dont have an equivalent. Would have to be Evans + more. Probably Evans + Aidan Smith or Tai Peete In other words, an insane overpay for someone with availability questions, one of the worst approaches in baseball and someone who has had effort concerns in the past

[@DrWestlake]

Evans actually has more value now than Gore at the time of the trade. Gore's value was at an all-time low when he was included...

[@accentball]

@@DrWestlake Nope. Gore had at the time, currently has and always will have a higher ceiling than Evans

[@DrWestlake]

@@accentball That's not true at all, he's gaining a lot of excitement and at the time Gore was falling completely out of the Top 100s for everybody... Prior to 2022 (the year he was traded), he had fallen from #6 to #86 by MLB pipeline, as an example. I don't like all their rankings, but at least it gives an idea of how much opinions had changed on him following a missed 2020 season due to covid and a mere 50.1 IP in 2021. The Mariners are trying to fast track Logan Evans to the majors to help in the bullpen, as he's widely considered to be as good or better than Woo and Miller at the same age, while also possessing far better secondary pitches that all rate as plus. YOU might not be aware of the helium, but he's right now one of the top 10-20 right-handed pitching prospects in baseball depending on who you ask. Everyone is slow to agree to this in terms of rankings because he was a 12th rounder who was drafted with a 91-92 mph fastball and now sits in the high 90s and touches triple digits.

[@Azeria]

“the white sox would have to be wild to expect that kind of package” so they absolutely do expect that kind of package

[@claytonclifford2323]

The M’s could probably get Vlad Jr and Bichette from Toronto for 2 top 10 prospects (My guess is their #2 ranked prospect in the organization and the #27 ranked prospect in MLB, C Henry Davis and the M’s #5 prospect SS Felnin Celesten) and maybe add their #10 prospect OF Jonathan Clase and their #27 prospect, RHP Walter Ford. I bet that could get it done and then u play Bo at 2nd and keep JP Crawford at SS, or vise versa. Then their lineup would be 1: SS Crawford; 2: 2B Bichette; 3: CF J Rod; 4: 1B Vlad Jr; 5: C Raleigh; 6: DH Haniger; 7: 3B Rojas; 8: LF Raley; 9: RF Canzone. Or put Vlad @ DH and play Locklear @ 1B. Ideally Vlad DH’s and Ty France is at 1B but looks like he’s gonna miss quite a bit of time now. Then they have 2B J Polanco on the IL, DH M Garver, UTL D Moore, SS R Bliss comin off the bench. That would immediately change the trajectory of this lineup

[@mr.t1941]

Ya, but they're the Padres. They don't think it out when trading players. Along as they get the stud/star.

[@josephde8691]

I would do one top 5 pick and 10-15 two picks and canzone

[@aarondavid9471]

Mariners should explore what the Braves would want for Fried should be a up coming free agent. A starting Lefty would be a bonus and they should hit up the padres and explore what they'd consider for Ha Seong Kim I do believe he turned down his option to stay with the padres. Both would be looking for future contracts. Contract years players usually play better. Should be able to not give up the farm for a upgrade to a probably playoff bound team.

[@OblivionRide_11]

Imagine trading 3 prospects for a guy hitting .182 You're giving away 3 players for nothing in return. If you need a guy to bat that average for you just bring up any triple A player and job done. Why is this even talked about lol.

[@diggitydog412]

he is not worth that whatsoever. Give them one of our top prospects and then a couple fringy (in the teens in our system)

[@minigalen7599]

The ChiSox are going to want too much and screw up Robert's trade value. He will then be traded for much less next year or the year after. We've seen this happen with the Rockies and Arenado. It will likely play out the same here.

[@TwitchingHour]

That’s a hard pass for me dog. Chicago can keep their perennially injured, sometimes a beast, sorta center fielder. Soto on the other hand is a real slugger with loads of personality. That’s a guy you consider nuking the farm for not Robert. I’d trade Luis Urias and a 20-100 ranked prospect for him but there’s not really a ton of dependable value there.

[@nickguidry2213]

People need to stop the push for Robert. He hasn't played over 100 games in a season ever and is a sneeze away from another IL stint.

[@chanv55]

What would a package look like if we traded Miller or Woo? One top 5 and two top 20s?

[@3SailorMartin]

We should definitely NOT trade 2 of our starting rotation, especially Woo. For one thing who would we replace them with Emerson? He might have done OK during his last outing but he's not ready to be a full-time starter. And we would be real idiots to get rid of Woo when he's on track to having an even BETTER year than Randy's Cy Young in 1995

[@fargomonkey5133]

This one's easy. NO! If the price comes down considerably, then maybe, he's a good player when healthy, but at that price? NO!

[@aaronaigner3481]

We all have recentcy bias because of many of the top farm players from the M's system (21, 22) doing well in the majors. While that is excellent, you cannot expect to hit as well on the next wave. That is simply unrealistic. You are trading unknowns for a proven MLB player. While I don't love Robert Jr. I think you HAVE to be open to trading several of the top 5 for a proven major league hitter. The time is NOW, this is the year to BUY and make a serious run. NO MORE NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES with trades Jerry!

[@McZsh]

What about JJ Bleday? Send a package around Montez and Hancock.

[@robertkleitsch50]

No way would I do that trade rather not make any moves then destroy the future of the m’s

[@user-xr6xz9ly7r]

if we can't get Robert Jr. then go get Brent Rooker. But do something soon!

[@aarondavid9471]

Absolutely NOT!!

[@jackcrotteau4163]

No veteran of any value is worth a team’s #1 prospect if they cannot stay on the field.

[@jtthomas7349]

Hell no. Robert is not worth nearly that much if they traded Montes for him I'd riot

[@patricktalbert3476]

I think I can do a Ford-Celestin-Gough type of deal. Colt Emerson, Peete, Farmelo, and Cole Young should be off-limits.

[@shawnuel]

Emerson and Celesten are my off limits players.

[@mr.t1941]

Sewald, jansen and Dejong to play 3b

[@zachgordon99]

Cannot give up Felnin. Anybody but Felnin Celestine. Mariners need to keep that guy.

[@SkolProductions]

You hang up the phone if they bring up colt Emerson’s name

[@michaelposthuma4577]

We still need Hancock. He is our back up 5th starter. He is to valuable at this point.

[@ritchie909]

Why? We already have a bunch of underacheiving outfielders. Stop making up scenarios where we trade the future to get worse.

[@jamesnevsimal2359]

The White Sox should ask for the moon. You never know. They will settle for less. The did the same thing for Dylan Cease. They ask for two top 100 prospects and received one in Drew Thorpe. That’s what an GM should.

[@JDRSBUMPERSTICKERS]

i would rather them trade for Brent Rooker.

[@user-el5pk9wt5s]

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[@boomerhedstrom]

Hell no

[@seanwjones07]

Emerson is a keeper … rather trade Ford.

[@fastestgamer2428]

I think that they should go all in this and do whatever to try and win a world series

[@patmcgroin1547]

Yeah but Roberts doesn't make you one lol

[@MsFan4Life]

If thats what they want they can definitely keep Robert on that horrible team, which makes no sense to do

[@mikebiehn3650]

for a guy batting .171? PASS!!!!!!!

[@patrickmorehouse4918]

No get two hitters over one

[@user-q3cIy1mkx9]

Get Luis Robert Jr. now. Give him a better training, better conditioning and better supervision for his health. He is only 26 years old. You are not going to depend on Mitch Garver, Ty France, Mitch Hanniger, Luke Railey even though Luke is playing better than ever. Luis Robert Jr. is the difference of going deep into the playoffs or getting caught by Texas Rangers at the end of the season.

[@PrimaIsTired]

Wanting a Soto package for a negative WAR player is wild

[@johncorring]

At the career level Robert looks like a 4.5-5 162 games player... 12 war over 380 games.

[@PrimaIsTired]

I know he's good I just thought it was interesting note

[@luismota3066]

We are FINE EMERSON ITS GOING TO BE A SUPER START WACH IN 3 YEARS SO NO NO N NO. ALSO ONE PLAYER ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. TO COMPETE WE NEED 3 BATS N A CLOSSER. GO FOR. GO ALL IN AT THE SAME TIME GET AROSARENA GORMAN N ROBERTS . TRY TO SAVE THIS PROSPECTS. COLT EMERSON BLESS SELESTIN IF YOU CAN. FOR NOW GET A GOOD RELEVER N A SHEP BAT IF YOU NOT GOING ALL IN.

[@zipperkiller5]

Nope

[@smoothvandal916]

Hell to the No! Robert is not it

[@Jetcitywarrior-xc6uh]

Also he's a righty not a lefty

[@seizethecarp_]

Easy answer. "No"

[@johncorring]

This is going to get downvoted to hell... Just do it. Get Robert Jr and deal whatever it takes to move on from Canzone, trade Emerson at a premium before he falls back down to earth (taking that extra 1st round pick and turning it into an All-star), and probably Peete and/or Montes / Evans or Hancock and try to add bulk for Kopech. This move makes the most sense of the possible targets (Paredes will cost way more, Alonso is a pure rental overpay, Marte is an option I like but IDK if he's significant enough of an upgrade). I think when we move Robert off of CF the injuries slow down, and his defense is ridiculous (he nets us +16 outs above Mitch Haniger in 2023, +13 over Teo, stealing nearly a half game from our opponents) and with Ms roster he combines with Haniger, Garver, and Cal as one of the leagues best hitting OF/DH/C combos. Edit: Trade is Canzone, Emerson, Montes, Evans plus some top 100 org prospects for Robert and Kopech.

[@chriskeddie4226]

His bat isn't worth a Soto level haul. If it was a case of 1 top 4 guy and a top 10 guy like Arroyo + an older prospect then it might be worth the risk. However, his strikeout rate is high and his walk rate is low. If his power declines (like a lot of hitters at T Mobile) he becomes a defensively skilled Teo. A good player but not worth an all in push.

[@johncorring]

@@chriskeddie4226 Soto circa 23 or 24 trade? I agree Soto is in another tier from Robert but Robert is simply the biggest impact available bat. Maybe we need something different to solidify our push, I think BP and outfield are it, so kopech and Robert looks like a possible fit but Jerry will almost certainly find a better org value deal somewhere else. If we do get him in a big deal I want it sooner so we can start managing him into the best role, so not deadline more like... Thursday

[@abcdefghijkl5408]

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO Robert is not the answer. Do not overpay for his "youth" and "middle of order bat"....go get multiple professional hitters....guys that actually walk for instance

[@Jetcitywarrior-xc6uh]

They are dreaming lol

[@Jetcitywarrior-xc6uh]

now you know why the WSOX suck lol

[@itsthunder8492]

I would do it if we got luis and kopech

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

I don't think they would be able to pull that off

[@pedrodiaz5996]

for a guy that’s not even hitting 200?

[@josephde8691]

He has 50 abs

[@McZsh]

​@@josephde8691He is projected 12 HR, 19 RBI. Worse than Canzone at 14 / 24, who has the same age, can play LF and is far cheaper.

[@josephde8691]

@@McZsh I doubt Robert’s will end up those numbers probably like 25 hrs and mine 50-60 RBI’s

[@McZsh]

​@@josephde8691And I doubt Robert will have more HRs after the trade deadline than Canzone. He has a far better position in the lineup and does nothing with it. I would rather trade for Vaughn, who rakes at T-Mobile.

[@ebpat]

If Dipoto and Hollander make a trade that includes Colt Emerson, Cole Young, or Harry Ford for an oft-injured player batting .196, they should IMMEDIATELY be shown the door! The White Sox have to be drunk comparing Robert's value to Juan Soto's. No, no, no, and NNOOOO!!!

[@Johnknappe22]

Now with woo iffy what if we got croche (idk how to spell his name) and Luis robert. And if woo is healthy then go to 6 man rotation or move someone to the bullpen.

[@Johnknappe22]

Bro woo is dealing with arm issues agian… he’s def gonna need TJ!! They’re skipping his start today…

[@clayfast]

Personally dont want him.

[@Jetcitywarrior-xc6uh]

colt ,Canzone ,Hancock for Robert

[@Magnum-vl9hl]

Trade J Fraud. Dudes a joke.

[@MarinerMojoOfficial]

Rough look for you on this fine evening

[@marcvictor4285]

NO