Mark Braverman and Gary Burge on Israel and Palestine | Full Interview

The conversation with Mark and Gary took place on October 31, 2023, just two-and-a-half weeks after the Hamas attack on Israel, as Israel’s retaliation in Gaza continued. These two experts unpack the history, theology, and politics of the land to help us understand the current conflict and how we can respond.
Mark Braverman is a Jewish American with family roots in Jerusalem. He’s a retired clinical psychologist and currently serves as Executive Director of Kairos USA, a movement to unify and mobilize American Christians to take a prophetic stance for a just peace in Israel and Palestine. He’s written two books on Israel and Palestine, “Fatal Embrace: Christians, Jews, and the Search for Peace in the Holy Land” and “A Wall in Jerusalem: Hope, Healing, and the Struggle for Justice in Israel and Palestine.”
Gary Burge is an Adjunct Professor of New Testament here at Calvin Theological Seminary. He is an expert on the integration of theology and the politics of the Middle East, and has written a number of books, including “Whose Land? Whose Promise? What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians” and “Jesus and the Land: The New Testament Challenge to Holy Land Theology.”
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[@livingstreams4677]

Thank you for posting it. It is an important discussion for the church.

[@j.clements2093]

Excellent talk gentlemen. Thank you.

[@johntung789]

Thank you for this conversation. As a pastor who was helping our church to organize a trip to Israel, I asked our tour guide to also have our group meet Palestinian Christians and he was going to try. He said that is a very good idea. Sounds as if no one had asked this before. As it turned out, our trip got canceled due to the fighting going on. We will try to go to Israel later on and hope to meet Palestinians too.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

While studying scripture, I was shocked to realize the current state of Israel in the Middle East did not fulfill Isaiah 66.8 (a nation born in a day) as we’re always told; the context (vv15-16) is speaking about the day of the Lord which coincides with the physical resurrection of the dead (‘born’ out of the land) which is further elaborated in 26.19. This did not happen in 1948. In that case, if the state in the middle east is not biblical Israel, what is it? Rev 2.9, 3.9, 11.8, 17.5, Isa 1.10, etc, comes to mind.

[@charliebrownie4158]

Calvin Theological Seminary you don't believe in the Hebrew Scriptures so why would I, a Jew, think you could know anything about what is going on in Israel? You believe the Christian Church replaced Jews. Obviously you are ignoring your human God Paul in his book of Romans who does not agree with Calvins

[@CarolNewton-xw4yu]

Interviewer talks way too much. Guest is very humble and patient.

[@logos37]

😂

[@kerriweiland4772]

I am so perplexed that as Christians, we can't see that both realities can be true at once. Meaning, the land, the nation and the people are still his and still going to come back to the nation preserved for them, because we are grafted in to a gospel due to the blessing of the Jews. We are told in Romans 11 to not be arrogant. Replacing them is arrogant. It is ignorant as well. You can not look around the globe today or history as to understand if your biblical perspective was true, there wouldn't not be a preserved Jewish people. Only Hashem could preserve them! Only God can do it! And we will see that Hashem does discuss nations, rulers, kings, and boundaries. The zionist project is not to blame for the issue. If this was true, then why would they be kicked out of every nation for every generation prior to Israel being restored. Unbelievable. No one else would take the boats filled with Jews after WWII. Good Greif! And if you don't know what the Muslims believe in fundamentally, then you will not understand the issue in the Middle East. They are directed to shed the blood of their cousins, the Jews DUE to the birth right given to Issac and not Ishmael. YOU ARE MISSING a lot here theologically and also historically. It is damaging!

[@triciachampine5807]

I wonder if it matters to you what the Jews and their Noahide laws believe. It should

[@janinasimons8533]

I cant watch this, The Anger against USA/Israhell, I need to check...