Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill : The Original Hipster Pastor

[@abbysc417]

"if you don't know where the clitoris is, repent and find it." Heartbreaking: Worst Person You Know Made a Great Point

[@kbombaci2670]

Ikr??? Never have I been so conflicted because he is a human cockroach, but he is right on this - peeps need to find the damn clit 😆

[@oddeyes9413]

I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[@nameofthename]

i hate it so much when awful people make good points like fuck you im not supposed to be agreeing with you but you're right 😭

[@emilybarclay8831]

I mean if these dudes are gonna be obsessed with sex they might as well be good at it

[@hannahj489]

I would like this on a sticker

[@serpenking]

the whiplash of "putting the fun back in fundamentalism :D" and then seeing "CW: sexual abuse" really describes this entire channels subject matter

[@Exiled.New.Yorker]

Owch. Hard cold freshly sharpened Truth there... thank you sir, may I have another....

[@spockezri]

truly it does

[@dominicfucinari1942]

It all proves that the United States' worst fundamentalists are dangerous sex offender types who don't deserve any credibility nor benefit of the doubt in political discourse, how parents run their families, how communities draw the boundaries for their in-crowds, or *anything.* Perhaps Ron DeSantis, Christine Pushaw, and Chaya Raichik should go down for accessory to sex crimes committed by fundamentalist pastors because that's who they're running interference for with their moral panic over "groomers".

[@Heart_rachel]

Womens studies class: men left to their own devices are violent and harmful to society Mark: shaking, crying, throwing up Also mark: men left to their own devices will become violent and harmful to society, so I need to oil them up and wrestle them in the woods

[@43v3rh1d3n]

yes which woods? specifically? so you know, i can avoid them super hard.

[@millsykooksy4863]

😹

[@mikereseigh]

Seems kind of gay. Wish he'd just be gay and give us all a break.

[@baddie1shoe]

Chaos energy ☄️

[@oppaloopa3698]

Yea idk what womens studies class that is but that is racist, ableist, and homophobic as hell. Not to mention flat out wrong as history has plenty of examples of women who did diabolical things from one of the most sadistic N@zi death camp officers ever to a woman who literally sliced Madagascars population in half. When you say that men are inherently evil you mean all men. Disabled men, queer men, men of color. Which is bigoted. Unless of course you wanna take the other route of fucked and separate us from our manhood entirely. Then again, you reek of racism and terfdom so you probably do actually believe that black men are more violent than the average person and gay men are sexist, women imitating demons but go off ig.

[@biggumsneedstostop9109]

i'm a zillennial living with my parents who are obsessed with this guy, hearing someone tear him apart is so cathartic. been waiting for this one for a long time 😌

[@Vickynger]

god you poor thing... hes so uncharismatic and uninteresting too... cant imagine gaving to listen to that sack of bones all the time :(

[@massarassa]

He is actually a 100% false teacher.

[@notNajimi]

@@massarassa yeah forreal. people like him are why Paul wrote Galatians 4:22-23

[@bigby2k]

If he got on my back, I'd would've snapped and gave him the thrashing that he so richly deserves!

[@SparklyCoconut-le3fu]

Wow that rant was psychotic

[@ariannalybaek27]

What would the word be for a soft guy? A beta male? Someone who submits to others…washes their feet…turns the other cheek and forgives

[@TehMomo_]

SOUNDS LIKE JESUS TO ME. JESUS IS BETA.

[@Blues2green]

You ever read Revelations? Splits a mountain in half, wipes out the biggest and most advanced army in the world for even thinking about coming up against him, and pulls demonic locusts out of the earth the sizes of horses to sting well demonic people. Yeah sounds beta to me…

[@Brunkbrank]

Using bugs to solve​ your problems is kind of beta @@Blues2green

[@Blues2green]

@@Brunkbrank Their wicked nasty filthy abominations at that point and don’t follow suit. More people get saved during the Tribulation to mention too. We want a different God and we get a much more worse person than Hitler. He’s smart and articulate crafty cunning tyrant called the Antichrist who want to spit in Gods face while he losses(bc that’s all he could do) and take as many wicked people with him as he can just to prove a point. Does that sound beta to you? Satan doesn’t give you an option. He makes you take the mark or stave and WHERE IS GOD AT? We’ll at that time people abandoned Him but he will let you pick. So you gonna die quick or burn forever? Or OR get Raptured before any of it begins? and hopefully then you’ll remember these words. I’m gonna ask you a question. Do you think that they sat around(the people during the Great Tribulation) and wanted to question God on his method or do you think they finally submitted to the Righteous justice of God’s authority who has never made a bad choice in his whole life and everybody talks about these “mighty” “mighty” “gods” like Zeus and Hades and all these fake gods but the real One is 10 times more powerful, good, and uses actual justice. Loves you 10 times more. He makes them look like absolute frivolous ideas, tools, wimps in comparison so you could discredit his methods or whatever but I guess everybody for thousands of years has been wrong? Look how much smarter we are the them😮Huh?😅 Whatever man…He does handle the problem himself. When they rid against him He spits out a few word and the biggest army in the world gets crushed at Armageddon. OK can you promise me one thing alpha Mcalpha Chad? Don’t take the mark of the beast(666) aka the Antichrist name and go with God when it’s all said and done. Yeah killer giant horse locusts(demons) btw so making them nasty thing get their chance to ruin the earth bc well that’s what people want sound pretty beta and so does a black sun, sickness, death, war, famine, bc their not even human at that point. I know you’re trying to prove a point but really think on this. You may not like it but your not God and what He would do to save the stubborn astonishes me?! I got he loves you and gives you every single chance and then when you do finally spit his face he makes you pick and he doesn’t let people play by his rules. Sounds Hella beta I mean you really know what that means🙄

[@Blues2green]

@@Brunkbrank He is the Alpha and Omega! Beginning and end! Sound wimpy to give man every chance to repent(meaning change you mind not necessarily do good)and follow him. He is an Alpha? He takes the good up then gives people one last chance but not by our rules but His! All while punishing the wicked. Not budging saying idk”sin another day” while death, pedophilia, sexual assault, filth, murder, and I could go for hours. Not making a stand on this hateful shit “sounds pretty beta to me” God bless!

[@empyrea_2546]

"This is purity culture which means that anything the boys can do, girls go to hell for" This statement was absolutely perfect👌🏾

[@dominicfucinari1942]

I know. Between the Andersonite Baptists and Gothardism, all I learned about such sexist double standards was that there wasn't a single redeeming quality about the ideas or purity culture sect leadership.

[@ddjsoyenby]

as someone amab who was raised in purity culture the no s3x before marriage thing is also strictly enforced for us they're just a lot nicer about it.

[@Rawnblade13]

That's religion in general really.

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

@@ddjsoyenby exactly! We boys were taught to not have sex before marriage BUT if we did then it was written off “that’s what boys do” or something like that. It wasn’t AS big of a deal. If girls were in a 2 piece swimsuit they’re automatically a slut who’s bound for hell lmao

[@everfluctuating]

there really needs to be consequences for large creators who abuse the copyright system, especially for repeat offenders

[@laurenschmidt4880]

This! I was just thinking the same thing. So many people are wrongfully taken down or silenced by these people abusing the system. I say not just for creators, but for anyone who abuses it (aka so many in the music industry claiming videos where less than a second of their music was used)

[@KenS1267]

There needs to be consequences for large creators who abuse the copyright system, period. No one gets to hundreds of thousands of subscribers on YT without being fully aware of what the DCMA is and how takedowns notices work. These people always plead innocence of the system and that they didn't know the law but somehow they were able to file the takedown properly and do not respond when the smaller creator tries to communicate. I've seen this pulled more times than I can count. The bullies are always hoping to silence the critic nothing more and nothing less. YT needs to start banning channels for DMCA abuse.

[@byounghusband]

I mean, how is it that they are not being reverse uno ‘d? If you make false copyright strikes you should receive a strike on your account

[@absinthemindedJ]

@@byounghusband not if you're God's favorite. 💪🏋‍♂️🥇💯

[@lestatsluv317]

@@absinthemindedJ Jewish? 😁

[@emilylikesboardgames]

I beg of you. We need merch that says “I have a BA in Masturbation, an MA in Porno, and a Phd in Knuckleheadology.

[@GotLostOnMyWay]

I wish I was graduating again so I could put that on my mortarboard in glittery cursive.

[@breadcrust4006]

Would wear this to woman studies class every day

[@quartz9886]

please😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@NotDaveGahan]

Me af

[@jcfreak2007]

"I had been sexually assaulted but I didn't realize it so we weren't able to have an honest marriage." I am absolutely enraged by this statement from his wife... Not at her but at all of the cheauvenistic men who have told her that! It wasn't her fault! Certainly if she didn't remember it, she wasn't being dishonest at all! I am actually in a similar situation. Coming up on 10 years of marriage and only in the last 6 months of therapy have I had it confirmed to me by my therapist that I was sexually assaulted but I wasn't being dishonest with my husband about it BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ASSAULT!!

[@NefariaAdventures]

Ugh yeah, that was so wrong. I never remember seeing his wife, Grace. But Mark always talked about her in bed, during his sermons. He was so gross.

[@dellybird5394]

@@NefariaAdventures I would die inside if my husband told a roomfull of people about our sex life, including details about things we have struggled with😬 Is that level of oversharing even helpful for his congregation? Seems to me like it only serves to 1) Allow Mark to brag about how good at sex he is 2) Shame his wife for not being the perfect, pure, helpmeet bangmaid from Day 1 I really hope he runs those sermons past her first, but something tells me Mr. King of the Planet wouldn't think to do that.

[@NefariaAdventures]

@@dellybird5394 oh for sure, he is such an angry jerk. I remember his sex talks being super cringe. I bet he has some skeletons in his closet (of the sex scandal type), other than the fraud he already committed.

[@christinafidance340]

It’s disgusting how he puts it like his wife’s trauma is something that he is intimidated by…. Or whatever he is…. It’s just disgusting how he makes it about HIM and not his wife. It’s just DISGUSTING!

[@sholem_bond]

"Johnny looks for a nice woman...who will whip him into shape and beat him into submission" Johnny's into femdom; A+, 10/10

[@Teresa-sz3qs]

Johnnys story was a bit toooo specific……

[@NotDaveGahan]

Johnny's just like me fr

[@HiBuddyyyyyy]

I forget that other people don’t know that femdom is a thing. It’s really weird (that they don’t know what it is).

[@Wil_does_stuff]

its me im johnny

[@stunta_hu8003]

Jen! We’re 100% ok with you not doing your makeup. Your commentary and in-depth analysis is more than enough. If you cut the make up out all together and it helps you focus on the meat of video, by all means do it. We’ll still be here :)

[@barbieblues7639]

Absolutely! Although it was hilarious when she'd have issues with it and would call herself out on it😂😂 cause I suck ass at makeup so like everything with makeup and me is that feeling

[@louhortonsculpture]

Yes I agree! I love the completed complicated look in this video. I am so bad at my makeup that when I tried to find a video to do the Snooki look, I watched a parody tutorial and didn’t realize it was sarcastic.

[@byeblckbirdxx]

100%, only do it if you want to!

[@emexdizzy]

Would absolutely rather have fabulous looks done ahead of time with less stress on Jen, yeah.

[@lilafeldman8630]

It might be too hard to multi task with this one.

[@mckenziejeanne4508]

I forgot Jenn has a dog named Elvis so when she said Elvis pooped on the church’s lawn I was all 😳😳

[@heyidaroo]

Elvis really IS alive!

[@trashketchup1497]

Imagine if she was actually talking about the real Elvis though...like that would mean that be actually did have a single redeeming quality 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@willowtdog6449]

I hadn't known until that comment. I had a moment of 😳 But then I figured it was this, so I guessed right. I couldn't imagine that the real Elvis pooped on any lawn more than once. There are some wild stories, but surely I'd have heard about it if it had happened twice. Lol.

[@pninasimmer5723]

sAME

[@ThyStickWizard]

I mean, to be fair, Elvis Presley never had the greatest track record with pooping in toilets, so it makes sense he would resort to pooping on a lawn.

[@ashleyapollo7983]

When I lived in Seattle, I worked with a girl that was a beautiful classically trained dancer. She was 20. She was not raised Christian, was not a virgin (which is not at all important). She also, like a majority of women, was sexually assaulted. She went on a date with a guy that went to Mars Hill, married him 10 months later, dropped out of college in her senior year, quit dancing, and got cut off from her job, friends and family and was a mom of 3 by 24. Before she had to quit her job, she would talk about all the “repenting” she had to do for all her “sins”, including the assault perpetrated on her. It was perverse. Her transformation was shocking, fast and terrible. It’s a church that preaches and hides abuse, even without Mark around.

[@NefariaAdventures]

Ugh, sounds like she married one of my brother's SPU roommates. I never heard anyone blamed for their assault, but I'm also not shocked Mark Driscoll pushed this idea. I know he preferred women to stay home and made some super demeaning/sexist comments in sermons (though I guess I either wasn't present for those, or wasn't paying attention). He definitely seemed insecure, at least from what I observed when I attended from 2006-2010. Now I'm embarrassed I attended. At the time it seemed like such an upgrade from the Backwoods Baptist Church I grew up in.

[@lilafeldman8630]

So sad I was kind of in a similar situation when I was in my twenties. I, too, had been a classically trained dancer, honor roll student, also alot of trauma. Then it all of a sudden it all went out the window, plus victim blaming.

[@5050TM]

Omg I have nothing to say other than that's so fucking sad.

[@Cheirosa81]

I feel for her...

[@hannahp730]

This is awful. I dated someone from Mars hill and cared about him a lot, but felt something was off (he broke up with me for not being christian enough). Did not have enough awareness to know it was sexism/misogony/toxic patriarchialness, but I see it now. I feel for this women so much

[@jordc448]

Cant believe this dude wrote a comprehensive list of types of people he doesn't like, complete with nicknames for each type 😭

[@margaretmic5111]

Some middle school sh*t right there

[@NefariaAdventures]

He definitely was insecure and did not take criticism well. Angry sermons as well, or arrogant sermons, or sermons that were all about sex (his sex life and other attendees/members' sex lives). Like a middle school boy bragging about the first time they have sex.

[@peach9789]

he literally wrote a burn book lmaooo

[@Cheirosa81]

It was truly amazing.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Rather unbecoming behavior for a Christian, I daresay.

[@paigeseliger836]

I love so much that he specified that the ones who had a problem with his ideas were probably college educated.

[@dinosaysrawr]

...hence why it really sticks in my craw when these same people disingenuously gesture to "science" when bashing trans people or fearmongering about vaccines.

[@Merrybandoruffians]

“He looks like he calls women fEmALes” is the absolute perfect way to describe a certain type of dude. I’m definitely stealing this

[@8AmazingAcres]

It's wild to me that this man will develop an entire rant about men being "pussified" because they're raised by women and somehow he doesn't come to the conclusion that men need to be there for their children and instead it's just the women's fault? Like bruh... You don't get to complain about how children are raised when you're doing none of the child rearing.

[@NefariaAdventures]

Makes you wonder how his mother is...

[@beckiadriaanse6312]

I love that his idea of "the worst public high school" is one that gives individual students the space and time to understand and manage their emotions and mindfulness. I hope my kids go to such a "bad" school

[@margaretmic5111]

I know. That actually should happen in schools 🤣

[@bleronk6840]

The things he described sound so much more like a libbed-out secular private school, but ofc he's trying to scare Christian parents so he pretends that the public school teachers are the ones telling them to make art and have emotions.

[@psychoshrink166]

I totally agree with the victim-shaming of sexual assault! I had no idea my now husband had been a victim. He never told me, but his father did. There was a whole court thing about it and it really traumatized my husband as a young boy. But I was thankful to know what happened and be able to approach it with him in private and on our own terms. I can not imagine him in a situation where he would feel forced to relay the details and get "healing" from the church...wow that would have just destroyed who he has grown to become today. Which, in my opinion, is such a beautiful and resilient man. Forcing a victim to confess and confront like THEY are the guilty one is disgusting.

[@Texas_toasted]

JEN! Just had top surgery, having to chill out, and I'm SO glad yall are back just in time! This def made my day! Much love to you both

[@mooney9046]

Congratulations on your surgery, I hope you're healing well and not in too much pain.

[@chocomelo454]

CONGRATS MY LIEGE (gender neutral for king / queen) TOP SURGERY RULES. THATS METAL AS SHIT!!

[@stephanieheck9786]

Hooray! Congrats! Hope you're healing fast!

[@alim.9801]

Hope you're doing well and it's all healed up a year on!! 🤘🏻

[@Moon_in_a_Hat]

As a former “all in” I HATE when men stand up in front of a church and say, “it’s been forgiven by God.” Meanwhile I would NEVER feel forgiven because I was a woman and every thought/act was a sin. I was told I was sinning because I called my pastor out for misogyny and was told that was “not of God” on my part.

[@2degucitas]

They love shaming women by default, for everything. Keeps us in line. How pathetic.

[@KaylaNoelle1]

Even as a child in a united church I always felt like I was inherently guilty just for existing without a penis. It's such a horrible deep shame and then if you feel angry or resentful about all of the hatred you receive from "godly men" then you feel guilty for THAT!! I used to cry to God asking why women even had to exist if we were just here to be hated and serve others. I was suicidal by age 8 and had a predatory youth pastor groping me over my clothes by age 10. Church is truly no place for children.

[@bleuiselectric4546]

Good on you for calling that bullshit out!

[@Himmiefan]

@@KaylaNoelle1 A lot of churches are no places for women.

[@ddjsoyenby]

as an lgbtq+ former same.

[@confusedfey9192]

Women: have to receive criticism unflinchingly and can't show emotion in responding Men: "I was hoping to have a better interview today but it seems your a bit grumpy" "I think you're being unkind"

[@hunnybadger442]

Hunny... We were never in it for the make up... we were here because we love you and because you have something we want to hear, love to hear, and is most definitely worth hearing and worth telling... Hun few get rewarded for knowing the truth... let alone telling it.. So please trust us we love you, you're absolutely awesome, and it was never about the make up... It was and always will be about you, and what an incredible person you are and just how much we appreciate you and are so happy to have you a part of our lives... We love you... for you... Never change... And I don't even know to put on make-up...

[@hunnybadger442]

I wish I knew you irl... far too often I could really use someone like you I could actually talk too...

[@colleenk8205]

Beautifully said!!! I can't put on make up either 😂

[@lunarsma8446]

!!!

[@tonyadieker2201]

Angee Woodard Blasavage Lev. was translated wrong billy graham. Refering to pedophilia. "Men shall not molest young boys." Delete or reject the messages sent from the messenger of Malachi 3:1 and you reject Jesus Christ Herself and choose to die with the wicked. Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8 is prophetic instruction for the thieving church leaders to bring back the money they were never supposed to take for ministering and God will end Covid. Every major church around the world knew this since August of 2020 but they LOVE MONEY so much they chose to kill everyone with Covid instead of returning it! James 5:2 Rich people are NOT Christians and the wealth they selfishly kept to themselves will only be used as evidence to burn them. The 2 witnesses are righteousness and judgement, not actual people. There is no ONE antichrist; it was made up by people that worship money. Stay out of the fake churches or you will die with them and their lies. In order to be a church, the place must house people inside it. Otherwise it's another private money-making business serving satan and part of Babylon. There is no such thing as rapture. Jesus comes back to rule. God's people are caught up spiritually... Romans is not referring to Eunuchs where one partner is transgender. 🏳️‍🌈 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. It's even in the Bible. Yes, the bible was written by bigoted men and is way outdated and was changed and should be thrown out. But even Jesus spoke about transgender people. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused (it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused). Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Eunuchs are same sex couples. One partner is transgender. Transgender is when someone is born with a gender opposite the sex characteristics normally associated with that gender. God made us male or female, determined by gender, located in the brain. Your gender is located in your brain and determined at birth. I have an identical twin sister that is female in gender. I am male in gender. I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and that means any discrepancies in the bible are ultimately decided by me. Plus, it states in Deuteronomy that nobody was castrated back then. And that doesn't make sense anyhow. No one is born castrated and no one is born making the decision to be celibate. But, that is what God wanted the lying preachers to think so they wouldn't take it out of the bible. Intersex people still have one gender or another because gender is located in your brain. And Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be utterly destroyed from among the people. So anyone that says different than this won't be here much longer. It's everyone's choice. Anyone teaching the LIE of monetary tithing or getting paid in any way to minister will also die with the wicked. Peter 2:9 says we are ALL ministers . . . . Jesus was transgender and will return as a woman..... Remember, Malachi 3:8-12 is talking to the thieving church leaders. It's the answer to end Covid and every major church around the world has known this since August of 2020 but they LOVE MONEY so much, they INTENTIONALLY CHOSE to kill everyone instead of returning it. My preaching will lead to a universal monthly income for everyone. If church leaders dont repent, they won't be here to see it. Their choice...

[@rox7651]

It sends shivers up my spine that there are men out there like him. Wow. Scary

[@pickledragonrebel]

These type of men make me physically sick.

[@fran4636]

He says he preached in an old hardware store in "a warehouse district, fishing district" translated he preached in Ballard while it was being swiftly gentrified. There's nothing wrong with starting a church where young people are going out for beer flights and fancy coffee if you want to attract that crowd, but it's a huge stretch imply that Ballard was still a working class neighborhood in the '00s.

[@carlzbarkley160]

Exactly, fishing district 🤦‍♀️next to Trader Joe’s and Ross. Lololol it was crazy driving through that area and seeing more and more people swarming to it. A couple of my friends fell for it. It was literally like people were totally brain washed over night and if you weren’t apart of their club they didn’t know you. I remember it feeling like people were in a trance. Pretty crazy looking back at it now.

[@NefariaAdventures]

Yeah it definitely became hipster in the 2000's! About half of Ballard was still working class when I attended Mars Hill, but there were sooooo many hipster SPU students haha. I visited Ballard a couple years ago and was shocked to see hardly anything left of the fishing culture, except maybe a few boats. Completely unaffordable now, too.

[@lizsteere]

Back when I worked for YWAM (please do an episode on them!), someone donated a bunch of books to our base, and Driscoll's "Real Marriage" book was in there. Even during my most fundamentalist years, I knew he was a sexist asshole, so I ripped up the book and threw it in the trash. Probably my best missionary moment.

[@gwdexter]

You were doing the Lord's work right there.

[@notme9434]

I really hope we get an episode on YWAM, my friend has taught me some pretty interesting stories from her time there

[@Sweetheartx74]

Yea, I never went but my friend did and I was there a lot. Their was a lot I had to say about them and my friend had to keep me from opening my mouth cuz I would’ve gone there 😅 theirs a lot I could say

[@heeree9630]

I didn't know what YWAM stood for, and of course the first thing that popped into my head was "Your White-Ass Momma".

[@Lorn8766]

Oh man I’m DYING for a YWAM episode. I spent a year there. One of the hardest and most formative periods of my life

[@ebcbr1791]

“Men are made for dominion” is among the more terrifying phrases I’ve heard…

[@ddjsoyenby]

that sounds like something a murd3r3r says when police find his basement.

[@deborahmulkey1627]

🤢🤢🤢

[@CalmPupsandNatureSounds]

The star trek GAMMA (not alpha or even beta) quadrant of it all….

[@Vickynger]

i only know dominion as a card game and the only person obsessed with it that i know is a guy so for a moment it really checked out for me...

[@chocomelo454]

Kings Dominion that is... (it's a theme park. pretty fun one too. it currently has the rights to the Charlie Brown IP, so everything is Charlie Brown themed.)

[@BloodOnMyMind2Nite16]

My husband is a "Marty Stewart" and we both love it! He enjoys staying at home to take care of our kids, cooking and baking, and tending to his garden. I enjoy making money for our family. We both were at our lowest when I stayed home all day and he would be working all day. We realized we needed to reverse the roles in order for our family unit to efficiently work. I don't understand why there's such stigma for men to stay home to tend to the house and children while the women work but, if the roles are reversed, it's perfectly normal and accepted.

[@MsSwthrt102]

The boys would feel emasculated

[@ksis86]

Yea its so ridiculous. I make almost double what my husband makes and we’ve definitely talked about him staying home with our daughter if he just gets something part time. I dont see a problem with it but im sure someone would tell me hes not a real man if hes not a breadwinner 🙄

[@purrehype]

@@ksis86 that person would just be jealous. men, jealous of ur husbands role at home & women, jealous of your role at work. shout out to all of you doing what’s best for your fam and having men that appreciate your money makin’ & *hopefully* doing something you love/ at least enjoy! and that are secure in the value they bring by being home. 🥳🥰

[@purrehype]

Your “Marty Stewart” sounds great! But I need to know if, like Martha, he also enjoys antiquing!? 🤔

[@hello-l4n]

absolutely cackling that his interpretation/takeaway from a women’s studies class is that “the problem in the world is men” knowing they didn’t teach him that like you said it not me LMAO

[@father_vladdy]

For some reason, even with all of the awful people this channel has covered, I could not make it through this one. Something about this guy pushes my scream-into-the-void button extra hard. I so appreciate the work you guys put into these videos 🖤

[@1980OKOK]

Yeah this one was hard for me too. The sicko-cringe is off the charts.

[@fran4636]

When I was an unmarried woman in my 20's living in Seattle, my uncle was going to Mars Hill and told me I needed to go there in order to find a man and generally get my life together and get married. At the time I was heavily involved in a different church and had a very dim view of Mars Hill. No way was I going to sing praise songs with some fake hipster misogynist. The happy ending is that soon after that I realized I was an atheist and months later I met my kickass atheist husband.

[@ultraboombean]

Thank goodness you did not listen to uncle lol.

[@fran4636]

@@ultraboombean lol there was no way!

[@oddeyes9413]

I met my wife at a Christian college. After therapy and self reflection, we both left the church, realized we're gay af, and became Witches. Also hit every romantic YA novel trope on the way there. 😅 I'm glad you found an amazing person and I'm glad you didn't listen to your uncle.

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

I’ve been so lucky to deconstruct along with my husband. Yes we’ve had many (sometimes heated) debates, and we aren’t in the same place by any means (I’m definitely an atheist.. he’s not sure and fine with that) all that to say I’m so glad you didn’t rush into a “godly” marriage. I was also pressured to do so. It’s terrifying that ANYONE would ever even suggest to someone else that they should marry, let alone whom or what type of person they should marry.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@oddeyes9413 bible school girl to lesbian is my favourite character development arc

[@beckiadriaanse6312]

I have taken a womens studies course... 3 actually and none ever said our problems could be solved by getting rid of the men

[@cygnelle1232]

I bet that's 3 more women's studies courses than Mark ever took. Also, I believe the clip where he talks about the evils of daring to study anything from a woman's perspective and the evils of being a "soft man," was recorded after his "apology." Shows how wrong he really thinks those Wallace posts were.

[@Lammington2]

I mean, SOME problems could be solved by getting rid of the men. Let's start with Mark.

[@beckiadriaanse6312]

@@Lammington2 sure. But I think even those problems would be solved by getting rid of the right men... And the women who vite against their own rights

[@maxispraxis1950]

That's too bad, bc it's true lol

[@GotLostOnMyWay]

When he said "I *had* to take a women's studies course..." I was like nah dude unless it was literally your major it was an elective. Or...court-ordered, somehow, in which case we need to also talk about that; because there is no way the average student minding their own business at any university is being frog-marched into a WS course.

[@blackheartwornonmysleeve8045]

Mark is the same guy who says that men & women are different yet not saying one is better than the other but can't insult another man without referring to them as having some sort of inherent aspect or characteristic of femininity which is then directed in a derogatory manner in order to emasculate him (i.e p*$$y, b*tch, emotional, ect.) The fact that most men can't insult each other without insulting women as well by referring to one another as such (when has a man ever been referred to as a woman in a good way really?) speaks volumes about how women are actually valued or even just LIKED for anything ever

[@crystalmesser6902]

👏 👏 👏

[@twiggledowntown3564]

This☝️

[@NefariaAdventures]

I attended Mars Hill in Ballard (Seattle) form 2006-2010. His sermons were pretty much putting other people down, spewing angry words, or talking about his sex life, now that I think about it. Now that I'm older, I realize how poisonous and insecure he was. I guess I just didn't pay attention to the sermons enough back then, as the church and its various clubs and small groups, seemed like an upgrade from the Backwoods Fundamentalist Baptist church I grew up in.

[@MaleahsDiary]

Very good point.

[@funnypuppy7182]

I went to Mark's church with a bunch of friends in college when it was just getting started in the Ballard neighborhood of Seattle. I remember it gave me the serious creeps. My fundie friends were convinced my feelings were just my "sin" convicting me.

[@NefariaAdventures]

Did you attend SPU?

[@LovethosePNWVibes]

Oof I went to Mars Hill every now and again when I went to University of Washington in 2007-08. I didn't go often, and it was by no means "my home church." (I'm agnostic now, so it's all kind of water under the bridge at this point), but I remember there was a lot of performative stuff there - everyone was lined up with one very specific aesthetic, it had kind of a Stepford vibe too with all the people that agreed on everything and everyone wearing variations of the same outfit - all the skinny jeans. Mark yelled at us about something every time I went there. I'll never forget one time he said very angrily how men have no right to abuse women, ever, under any circumstances - that women are precious and should be treated with respect. It was the first time I'd heard the words "women deserve respect" in a church setting, and weirdly, that was the very beginning of my journey toward becoming a feminist and a democrat, and ultimately that idea kicked off my deconstruction of Christianity, as Christian women are perpetually mistreated, and that mistreatment is constantly justified with Bible verses. With that single remark, he gave me permission to stand up for myself as equal to any man - he gave me permission to be fully autonomous, never to need permission again. Mark Driscoll is totally full of shit for the most part, he's a certified asshole and a truly terrible leader, but somehow he (probably accidentally) said something powerful in 2008 that helped me break free of fundamentalist Christianity, and for that, I am grateful. But yeah, he most def shouldn't be a pastor.

[@Amanda_616]

How WILD that this grotesque fucker started your deconstruction 😂 so weird how 1 person, especially this dude, can have such a profound effect on a persons life. ❤

[@Countriesinspace]

The "how do you think I felt" from James in the background was golden. Thanks to you both for what you do!

[@cheyimpunity8657]

Was searching for someone else who thought that was golden

[@uwuscope360]

“Abuse is a severely underreported crime” Mhm yes checks out “So if you have been abused you need to seek” Ok ok “A good CHRISTIAN counselor or a Bible teacher” NOOOOOO

[@actuallywaffles5267]

Had me in the first half too

[@mooney9046]

Lmao 🤣

[@samm4158]

“real men don’t cry” [tastefully holds back tears during apology as a manipulation tactic]

[@samm4158]

also: i’m Marty Stewart in honour of my wonderful, selfless, hardworking, and loving stay-at-home dad

[@an-enby-panda7840]

right?? Real men don't get emotional (excluding anger because that's ~the manly emotion~) and they definitely don't get close to tears unless it's an emergency where they need to stop people from turning against them for what they did

[@pickledragonrebel]

Exactly

[@ester797]

20 minutes into learning about this man and I've astral projected several times...wow! Thank you for your service Jen and James🧡

[@Sarah-re7cg]

There’s this paraphilia where people (predators) get off from making other people extremely uncomfortable by talking about inappropriate things or doing something sexual explicit and seeing people get uncomfortable. This includes things like flashing, showing pornography unsolicited, etc. Obviously I can’t make a diagnosis, but I REALLY really really really see all the signs that this applies to Mark. I think he absolutely has that kind paraphilia. Also, him weirdly mentioning Bundy and Ridgeway as if it was some kind of social clout name drop 👀👀👀👀 tf

[@RogueNinetails]

He got kicked out for being a despotic self-centered misogynist?? It's almost like the model of masculinity he's obsessed with is unbearable and awful and people hate being around it... Def can't be that though, it's people persecuting him

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Tough to know if he's really delusional enough to think he's just been misunderstood, or if the persecution complex was always either a financial stunt to solicit donations, or a political stunt to court votes.

[@Forestfreud]

Somehow I think if he was just misogynistic and self-centered he would’ve stayed in power

[@Shy-xm4kn]

Omg my dad made me go to Mars Hill in Seattle! The pastor (not sure if it was this dude) was giving a speech on how women are naturally submissive and need to submit and listen to their husbands like a child/parent relationship. I actually got so pissed off I yelled Bull Sh*t and stormed out. My dad stopped going once I had a huge talk with him about sexism (also I embarrassed him in front of the whole church).

[@Ravensandcrows2086]

🙏 respect

[@piros100]

wow, you're cool 😉🤟🤟🤟💪👍

[@GotLostOnMyWay]

These people say husbands should treat their wives like children with a straight face and then turn around and wring their hands about liberal grooming.

[@midgey50]

Anyone else remember that House MD episode where the fundie kid thought he was a prophet cause he had visions but it turned out he had like advanced stage syphilis Edit: it was actually herpes he had. A wild episode

[@tgin7100]

im dying

[@eleanormorgan7979]

I think the fundie had herpes which he spread to people he “faith healed”.

[@midgey50]

@@eleanormorgan7979 that’s what it was!! A wild episode

[@skydaddyissues3884]

So funny if that ended up being the source of Marks “gifts”.

[@sentientplant9658]

at least it wasn't lupus

[@keidwyn]

I have learned sooooo much from your channel,I'm an Australian feminist who's jaw is still on the ground somewhere since I woke up to the hideous news that American has made terminations illegal .Your so engaging,your unapologetic and your fantastic and I love listening and learning, your bold, beautiful and If I had a daughter id be making sure she knew all about you

[@upsidedowncupcake]

So happy I found your channel!!!! I second the "we are 100% ok with you not doing your makeup" You are so engaging, you don't need it!

[@ElvishPrinceling]

"Two men in a cage, no balls, no sticks" You want trans dudes in MMA. That's literally MMA: Trans Guy Edition 🤣

[@chocomelo454]

Let us in! Let us innnnnnnn! nah but fr did you know that some trans men can't even be in men's wrestling? one dude is stuck in women's wrestling. he dominates the competition. he's also not allowed to go on testosterone. poor guy. I hope he's able to retire as a wrestler soon, cuz goddamn... that's gotta be so dysphoric.

[@gayfrog420]

@@chocomelo454 it really is a fucked up kind of ironic how transphobes try to get "men" out of women's spaces... by putting men in women's spaces

[@finngswan3732]

I listened to this man as a teen. Any deconstruction of him is cathartic.

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

This dude is HANDS DOWN the cringest of all 🤮

[@alisaurus4224]

A defenestration of him would be MORE cathartic

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Seeing Driscoll one day nailed for aiding and abetting sexual criminals would feel like plenty for me to ask for. The default sympathy given to him simply because he's a pastor can never be understated as a root cause for why the US is flooded with sex crimes.

[@peepo2560]

@@alisaurus4224 YEET

[@yodelingyak]

Agreed. I listened to the podcast sermons all the time. So cringey to think about now

[@haaanniejo]

"Elvis pooped on their lawn several times" is a sentence I never thought I would hear lmao

[@htcheeto420]

makes a fella wonder

[@sentientplant9658]

I didn't pay full attention and I thought she meant Elvis Presley and I wondered "Why would Elvis poop in someone's yard he's dead" 😂😂😂😂 But no. Elvis the dog

[@alepvl8951]

@@sentientplant9658 I definitely thought of Elvis Presley. I wasn't paying attention to the years so it made sense

[@invisiblepinkunicorn7626]

Elvis is doing the lords work😂😂😂

[@finnsmom773]

Looking back (30+ yrs ago) and having not been raised in a particular ideology, I could see how one could fall victim to these extreme ideologies. Especially in large groups of young people, such as college campuses. Your show is so important and has helped my family members understand how harmful seemingly offhanded remarks can be....thank you.

[@angelapetrucci5507]

I live in Seattle and went to a Christian university very close by Mars Hill. I used to go to a few of his services with some of my college friends... I tried to like him because it seemed like so many people were fans, so here is my little storytime: I was trying to get plugged into church groups at the time, and I happened to start going to Mars Hill when he started his "marriage" sermon series (so I'm all too familiar with his gross "smokin hot wife" comments). I was put off, but I guess I was curious about what all the hype was about. Thinking it might be all the friendly church members and the community that it provided, I went to what I thought was a Bible study, but it was actually a book study where we had to buy and read HIS book about marriage (keep in mind I'm a single young college student at this time). The first day I went to this "book study", it was ran by this super young newlywed couple married like 6months who acted like they knew everything about relationships. There was a girl who had disclosed that she was wrestling with whether she should pursue a career or just trust that she would get married and wouldn't have to work. They told her that it was the "devil" making her worried that she might not get married and have someone to provide for her. I chimed in and mentioned that not everyone is called to marriage and they brushed this off saying, "well she has a boyfriend" (as if that means shit) and that it was the devil making us actually think AHEAD that anything might ever go south in marriage in the future, so not to plan ahead in case you might have to work and support yourself someday. Both this couple and Driscoll would say that it was selfish to not get married and that single men just needed to pursue a woman. Also, women shouldnt do any of the pursuing but if we were not pursued by one of the men in the church there was something wrong with us. So, that's when I peaced out, after about 4 church services and it actually propelled me to go back to the Catholic church (he hates the Catholics) 🤣 😅 Oh yeah! And he's so egotistical that when he's out of town, instead of having another preacher fill in for him, his congregation has to come to church a watch a video of his big ass head on a big screen like he's the fucking Wizard of Oz. All this to say, I cannot stand this man and I fully support you exposing his grossness in this video 👍🙌👏👏👏

[@rosesavoy9035]

You’re a good soul! Glad you went out of there❤

[@Dolphinboi]

Ppl in Seattle suck

[@blueblueberry4973]

Hi Jen, It made me so sad to hear you were surprised by the support for the channel so I wanted to share what this channel means for me. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian home and still lived there and bought into the whole thing until fairly recently. Seeing names and topics I recognized in your thumbnails made me curious and your channel is probably the biggest reason I was able to deconstruct and become who I am today. As a queer woman, I had no idea how much hurt the church was causing me and other people. You guys really opened my eyes and I can be myself now and start to work through some of that trauma. You helped me stop spreading these hurtful teachings to other people. I hope you feel all the love and support from your viewers because the work you put into these videos is incredible and you're doing a great thing. Thank you for everything.

[@lilycushman3185]

I’ll add to this as yet another deconstructing, queer, ex-fundie-lite woman; this is so cathartic to watch, I love the community, and I like that you guys don’t hit below the belt while also calling out things that are wrong. I love your channel and you’re probably the first or second name in my searches on KZbin. Thanks for being you and thanks James for being James!! We appreciate you guys!!!

[@JanelleC]

I agree, similar situation. I get tired of how nice you are though because religious people all around me are SO toxic and cruel, homophobic, anti-bodily autonomy, and my estranged religious family puts on a mask of “love” while supporting all this horrible hate and raising children to be prejudiced hurtful bigots as well. You’re like a superhero who refuses to curb stomp a murderous villain who keeps doing incredible harm. I’m so SICK of playing nice with abusers.

[@NefariaAdventures]

I grew up in a fundamentalist, backwoods Baptist church and a lot of her videos hit home (although her publicly naming sexual assault victims in a previous video was highly disappointing). I attended Mars Hill after high school and a variety of mega churches and other churches after. I consider myself a more modern, progressive Christian, so I appreciate her pointing out the abusive tactics of some of these folks, like James Dobson, who caused so much physical abuse/harm to so many Christian children.

[@emileek4107]

Wait, correct me if I’m wrong: If Marky started seeing his wife when they were teenagers, and she was assaulted before they met … wouldn’t that mean she’s a victim of CSA? Something there is no possible way she could’ve had enough agency to even *try* to protect herself from? (I hope nobody reading this thinks that I believe adult victims are responsible for their assaults, children are just completely vulnerable)

[@emilybarclay8831]

Except this guy absolutely believes a teenage girl or even preteen child is capable of ‘tempting’ a grown man because his brain is broken and there’s an overcooked unseasoned steak where his heart should be

[@SpecialBlanket]

I don't see how his comments were victim blaming, can someone (nonangrily) explain it to me? I am a survivor as well, I just think I'm missing smtg?

[@bariumdead]

@@SpecialBlanket I think it's the implication that you need to completely heal from your trauma before you can lead a fulfilling life, and that you must disclose this history to your partner, with the additional implication that the assault you experienced somehow has a moral bearing on your current relationship (like his wife was ruined before they ever got together). The language he uses is also just icky... he is speaking like this is just a fact and the victims are the ones who must do something about it, not that we should be doing something to counteract rape culture.

[@FedorkablePro]

@@SpecialBlanket He referred to her assault as a sexual sin that *she* committed, instead of as a crime committed against her.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@FedorkablePro Is Driscoll taking that idea from the Mosaic books, by any chance?

[@golfingnut1953]

I’m an older woman….. 68….. I miss some of your references but get what your saying. Best of everything to u n James

[@Pfpfpfpfpf2020]

I'm 31 and a lot goes over my head but I still love this content 🤗

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@Pfpfpfpfpf2020 I was born fairly close to the beginning of '991, and I still don't recognize all the music or fashion references Jen drops. I look like a child 17 and under when I wash my hair and shave my face (hence why I go by the surname "Fucinari '005), so people would expect those references to fly over my head when I look my best. But most of the time, when I look up the bands and musicians she names, they're almost always better than the trap rap songs they play on mainstream radio in the last 2 to 13 years.

[@navahchestnut1114]

That fancy like applebees comment was so hilarious. Jen, you’re such an inspiration; great, well-researched videos, cute hosts, and incredible wit. People should all be more like you!!

[@TheEyeSeesAll]

I grew up in IBLP / ATI and this channel is so healing. Thank you for doing all of these

[@gwdexter]

I’m so grateful for this episode - the podcast “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” with Mike Cosper from Christianity Today was really great in a lot of ways, but throughout all fifteen episodes (or whatever) it consistently refused to actually quote the most horrifying and dehumanizing things Driscoll actually said. (Cosper would say over and over, “it’s really bad-you can look it up on the internet if you want.”) So the listener learns so much about what a narcissist psychopath Driscoll is, without ever learning just how truly hateful he was. For ages I’ve been hoping Fundie Fridays would be the one to fill in those blanks!

[@karinayum8858]

Cosper is also a hardcore evangelical apologist, and Jen pulls no punches

[@zoesilver5828]

Their most recent episode was so incredibly helpful to me, especially in leading me to acknowledging i might have spiritual trauma

[@MK-gv1wd]

I always remember that podcast is from Christianity Today and that magazine isn’t going to want to exactly put out the real bad stuff. That podcast is great. But it’s got some limitations because of where it is. But giving this dude a goog is just. So. Fucked. Up. What a terrible person he is. Thanks for not pulling punches on this douchetwaddle!!!

[@monikapitts3982]

Yes I’m so glad for Fundie Fridays to break it down because I knew Cosper and others were dancing around something that had to be more sinister.

[@savanaashleigh626]

I agree. They glossed over a lot of important facts

[@girlonamission1685]

It must be great for his wife that he repeatedly shames her for previously being sexually assaulted during his sermons. Gross.

[@NefariaAdventures]

Right? I never saw her make an appearance at Mars Hill Ballard, but he sure talked about her a lot - as in their premarital sex, and current sex lives. Yuck. Poor lady is trapped.

[@Teresa-sz3qs]

As someone who was assaulted by one of these type of men, I was so ashamed I didn’t tell my husband for 15 years. I understand why she didn’t tell him about it. I feel bad for her.

[@gracefuller3242]

I grew up in Mars Hill church, and there are a lot of things that I could say about it, but there is one thing I always think was interesting. When I went through something traumatic at age 9, I wanted to talk to "Pastor Mark" about it. Because we were at a satellite campus, my mom got his email off the church website and let me email him. My mom happened to be friends with one of his assistants, and asked her how likely it was that he would respond to my email. The assistant said "Not likely, he can't possibly get to all the emails he gets from members. Wait, how old is your daughter? 9? Oh, you'll get a response. He really likes girls her age." I did get a response! Nothing inappropriate (besides the fact that he was trying to council a child that he didn't know about a traumatic event through email, but that is besides the point). Thinking about what the assistant said, in surprised that there have never been any accusations about sexual abuse in the church.

[@kendalltaylor897]

Ahhhh! This has been up for 5 DAYS?!?!? How did I not get notified?!? Stupid KZbin! Side note…Love you, J&J!

[@gracehetfield5331]

You are officially my favorite person from Missouri. (I don't know anyone else from Missouri but you seriously rock)

[@armygirl85fuckhitler74]

Born and raised in St. Louis❤

[@simsaysam6528]

Cannot imagine doing a professional interview calling someone out on an obvious thing they did wrong and them responding with "sounds like you're having a grumpy day"

[@notNajimi]

I think I’d scream

[@Coffinbugs]

How patronizing was “you must be having a grumpy day” when someone criticizes him???? Dear god

[@powderstone8187]

well.. it was a woman speaking, and he clearly has little respect for women (or for himself or for Christ, for that matter).

[@kadams3029]

I was a little surprised he didn't ask if she was on her period!

[@NefariaAdventures]

Yup. He and his assistant pastors used to also shame church attendees for not giving Offering (a donation to the church). I witnessed this in around 2009, months before I left the church.

[@Sputterbug]

bc he has no real response to what she said. not only is he disrespectful in general, he's a mysoginist and he doesn't seem to be all that intelligent so I doubt he could form a better response if he tried. he defaults to insults just like all his sermons

[@tonymoura8035]

This is giving me some mad flashbacks. My adoptive parents listen to this guy. On top of that, my adoptive father is a christian soundcloud rapper and he has used this guys sermons as filler for his songs.

[@shrekshrek4755]

Christian SoundCloud rapper are not words I ever thought I'd see next to each other lol

[@2degucitas]

Oh you poor thing. Wanna run away to my house?

[@hannerikruger7216]

@@AR-ym4zh seconded

[@annward7794]

That’s horrible. That is layers to yr isht. So many horror stories across the board I’ve noticed as I get older start with “My adoptive parents”… I hope you are ok now, after dealing with that.

[@zoesilver5828]

@@shrekshrek4755 there's an astonishing amount

[@Skymouth]

We used to have a Mars Hill Church on the Sammamish Plateau here in Washington. Thankfully it's long gone by now! Also glad your channel is a-ok!

[@jess.van7]

Your husband in the other room “HOW DO YOU THINK I FELT?!” That was comedy GOLD 😂😂😂😂

[@catlover2223]

We see you, man! And we thank you for your sacrifice!

[@brokengirlsrus]

That part where it described his retellings of him finding out his wife's sexual assault... God. What a horrible person. He was "shell shocked" and "hurt." HOW DO YOU THINK SHE FELT!?! She is the victim in this, not you, you selfish person. How could you hear about your wife (or anyone for that matter) being assaulted and calling it their sin. It's horrifying. The fundie culture I was raised in was very into victim blaming and from my own mom I learned that rape essentially doesn't exist because sex isn't meant to feel good for a woman anyway, and if a woman is raped, she probably asked for it. It protects no one but rapists.

[@boojersey13]

It reminds me sooooo much of my (fundie) mother's reactions the two times I admitted to self harming, she straight up would say "I already have so much on my plate, why do you want to do this to me?????????" and similar phrasing that was incredibly selfish lmfao

[@averagecheeselover69]

Welp, as a non-religious person, I feel like I need to bleach my eyes after reading that

[@MyMerryMessyGermanLife]

Yeah it’s disgusting. Her not telling him about a crime that happened to her is HER sin?! So so messed up. And then telling her story over and over when it’s not his to share. Making her relive the trauma over and over again. He’s a POS. He never healed after his childhood trauma and needs help!!

[@jmooxdknox4565]

So glad someone mentioned that part I was so angry when I heard that

[@mooney9046]

That's just flat out evil. These men are insecure to the point of being toxic and abusive. They can't stand the thought of their wife having ever seen or touched another penis, even non consensually.

[@emilyrose7381]

A cookies and antidepressants party sounds dope tbh

[@tgin7100]

especially if crying and group hugs are acceptable

[@hannerikruger7216]

Sign me tf up for cookies, crying and sharing feelings omfg

[@emilyrose7381]

@@tgin7100 oh my god that sounds so cathartic

[@peachtea7269]

I'd love to attend that party and I hate parties

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@emilyrose7381 This reminded me of another one of Driscoll's hideous tactics. What's Driscoll's problem, shaming victims of past abuses who *need* something therapeutic?!

[@basementdwellercosplay]

"I think nothing is purer than to guys going at each other in a cage" You know Mark I think I have a website just for you!

[@ddjsoyenby]

mark has good taste :)

[@the.evilducky]

My ex looked up to him, I was ya know 17 he was 25 🙃 the victim blaming is so part of the culture he nutured among his "young men" and trust there was a reason I conveniently ended up on a grippy sock vacation 6 months after he broke up with me "because of my drama". Also, him and his guy friends also were way too into MMA. Like WAY to into watching men fight eachother. Good times. Gotta love those 00s

[@sarabates2282]

Waiting patiently for you to drop JENGINEERING 101

[@ExFundieDiaries]

Tagging myself from the incel rant: I'm evangellyfish :) Great to have you back, Jen!!! Thanks for an awesome video!

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

I’ve been watching your content! It warms my blessed little heart to see you here. Even if it’s Mark Driscoll that brought us all together today 💀

[@KatherineHugs]

You have a great KZbin channel!

[@SpecialBlanket]

Uh oh, you're gonna get mobbed 😅

[@leesharushing5849]

Thanks for this one! Good surprise! I used to follow his teaching with my ex husband, watched a lot of KZbin content. The ex used Mark’s teachings to control me and sadly I believed it wasn’t wrong. So happy to have started deconstructing and am happily divorced! Thanks Jen!

[@MAT-xh3cl]

Cheers to fresh starts!

[@ashleykathryn9038]

So happy for you!

[@xerk2945]

I went to a Christian college in the mid aughts and I cannot explain to you how insane all of the boys were about "Pastor Mark". It was like a cult. The phrase "boys who can shave" gives me misogynist nightmare flashbacks.

[@Noellep]

Mark is like the religious version of Jordan Peterson when it comes to how he presents misogyny. And both of them have acquired quite the young male following.

[@darkstarr984]

Thank god the “Pastor Mark” I grew up with was the local Lutheran youth pastor who could transform a story in a super engaging, funny, yet still accurate way and sometimes would play Veggie Tales.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@Noellep Perhaps Driscoll has been pandering to incels all along.

[@MarieDeWolfe1]

Hey, in this hellscape that is Missouri right with you! We have a chance to relocate back to a blue state, but we're strongly considering sticking around and trying to make this place better. Hard to decide what to do.

[@theinkdarksea]

The podcast "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" was excellent and is all about the story of Mark Driscoll and the fallout at Mars Hill. It is produced by Christianity Today, so it is coming from inside the Evangelical community, but the producers used it as an opportunity to talk about how Driscoll is only a symptom of more significant cultural issues within contemporary Protestant denominations. I found it worth listening to- they did an extremely comprehensive investigation (the whole thing is well over 15 hours of listening, but you can get the gist without listening to all of them).

[@mrjones2721]

He complains that men want to beat each other up, and that “we ought to make it a sport.” That’s boxing. You just described boxing.

[@MouthyMiriam]

I’m so excited…. James was awesome last week…. Loved it…..I do miss the queen of fundie snark!!!

[@margyritchie2702]

Me toooo

[@KendraKingery]

James screaming “imagine how i felt!” From the other room took me out 😂💀

[@lynmcgrow9246]

Listening to Mark Driscoll confirms that my decision to leave the church was and is correct. I got so sick of being told that I as a woman was inferior and the church's mission was to bring only mnn in and who cares about women.

[@karolinanovaksolanska6257]

I'm just an occasional viewer of your channel, but gotta say, everything about your look today is absolutely perfect and so pretty. Love the hair, the make up, the earrings, everything

[@mds67991]

I’ve been having a rough week, but it’s finally over and I get to watch a new fundie fridays video! Bless the jennonites, all hail king james, and long live reverend jen.

[@Pushnotificationsalwaysoffbye]

Me too girl, this is such a godsend 🙏 🍝

[@melz6625]

My bf wanted to put on a new Fundie Fridays video for me knowing how much I love you guys when he remembered “oh no, they have those strikes, so there is no more Fundie Fridays” that sentence got me so emotional. Realized how much your videos meant for my life. In current times struggling with life they’re really my beacon in the dark. And now seeing you guys both back, Man, I missed your faces.

[@kiwikoopa6806]

The differences in how Jen's videos and James's videos end crack me up. James always has a few minutes of a heartfelt conclusion and Jen's are usually "wasn't that messed up?" Lmao love them both

[@samueljhagrid]

jen, girl, the beginning roasts? absolutely slaughtered him

[@chumpess]

Oh Jen, I didn’t know about the copywriter strikes. I’ve been unwell with covid (I also have multiple sclerosis and it hit me pretty hard), so I haven’t been paying much attention to anything lately. I’m so glad you got through it all, and are able to keep uploading your videos.

[@nunya2794]

Yes! I've been wanting them to talk about Mars Hill for so long! There was a church in my town and when Mars Hill was shut down the city turned it into a community center. Now it's a YMCA daycare during the summer and a community college the rest of the year.

[@2degucitas]

Good use for a cursed building

[@lunarsma8446]

perfect!

[@oddeyes9413]

Putting a cursed building to good work.

[@SLYCoopaEatsChicken]

James yelling "HOW DO YOU THINK I FELT" from the other room bro I'm in TEARS

[@CapitalCLYDE]

Mark: I love manly men and women will ruin our club 😡 Also Mark: I’m 100% straight tho I swear Also I’m homoerotic huddle

[@Himmiefan]

Exactly! He also loves a type of wrestling that’s been called the most homo-erotic sport.

[@CapitalCLYDE]

@@Himmiefan it really feels like he’s talking about it in this condemning fashion just so he can have an excuse to talk about it at all. It’s like when you have a crush on someone and you can’t help it but bring it up in every conversation with your friends/ family.

[@Exiled.New.Yorker]

Whoever manages to open a Gentleman's Bathhouse that functions in a Jehovah honoring way is going to make a friggin fortune.

[@NefariaAdventures]

I attended Mars Hill in the Ballard neighborhood of Seattle about 15 years ago. I enjoyed it at the time, because it was a nice change from the fundamentalist Baptist Church I was raised in. I do remember Mark talking about his sex life a little too much in sermons (which is not uncommon in "hip" churches), as well as having one of his pastors shame the entire congregation because the offering (i.e. the donation bag or box that is passed around during the church service) wasn't to the church's standard. I found out later (after joining the military and moving away) that Mark had been using the offering and other donations, to buy bulk copies of his own book, in order to boost it to the New York Times best seller list.

[@dzxn3728]

This pastor hurt my late husband's feelings before he died. He was unemployed during the recession & it was the how dare you, who do you think you are, screaming into the camera sermon. I was widowed by a heart attack a few days or weeks later. The stress was a bit much for him.

[@emilytetreault2516]

All I knew about Mars Hill when I lived in Seattle was that they fucked with my Sunday morning Trader Joes run, and that this awful kid I worked with had a music internship there. He also had like complete control over his 19 year old fiance, so cool. Edit: I just remembered - I had a girl warn me not to date any guys that went to Mars Hill because "They believe that women shouldn't go to college because all it does it put their future husbands in debt" Gross.

[@NefariaAdventures]

I remember that Trader Joe's in Ballard! It was built around 2009 I think. A bunch of my brother's friends and roommates attended Mars Hill (I did too for several years). Mars Hill definitely pulled in a lot of SPU students. I had no idea Mark was so well known until I moved away, and saw a news clip about him being fired after taking our OFFERING (donations members and attendees give to the church) to buy bulk orders of one of his books, so it hit the New York Times Bestseller List.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

If Mark Driscoll ever took a women’s studies course, I’m Queen Margaret of the planet Shaltoon.

[@gallygrovle2160]

I was really scared when y'all were going through the strikes business. This channel is so special. I'm relieved for you that that's been resolved, welcome back

[@Anna-cg1pn]

JEN this is one of my favorite makeup looks you've EVER done, its the first time I really noticed you're eye color, really brings it out, love it!

[@Teajay21]

Glad to see you back Rev. Friday and no pressure to do your makeup when you're doing in depth stories like this! If you still like to do it you could do it on casual streams or chat videos but if it's better for you to do it off camera or not at all we love you either way!

[@Noellep]

Who's gonna tell Mark that the shitload of vitamins he's taking each day is mostly just making his urine more expensive?

[@bjjjb3056]

😜🤣🤣🤣

[@aturtlethatisred]

And he thinks he can bypass his liver through his blood 😂😂😂😂 like nope my dude.

[@derickrae]

I love how Christian Fundamentalist are all "Law and Order" until it comes to Fair Use.

[@lighningshock]

So, as someone who did listen to the very excellent podcast, "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" let me just say that this video barely scratches the surface of the horrible things this man did. I think the podcast says it best when they call out Driscoll for his "spiritual abuse". These demon trials were not only not founded on scripture, but they were downright abusive to a congregation that was being beaten down and made to feel worthless every week.

[@alisongreenslade1006]

Yes! It is an incredibly long podcast, but it does give a very intentional overview of all the evil he created. I was a teenager in an evangelical church in the 00's. Our church gobbled up everything this guy said. Which makes me shiver after hearing that podcast. There is not a single redeeming feature of this guys 'ministry' and the term 'false prophet/teacher' comes to mind instantly.

[@OliviaMadelyne]

Love today's makeup! These lashes paired with the thicker eyeliner on the lower lids is super cute on you!

[@elizabethnobody6591]

Trinity Church in Scottsdale has an interesting history. It used to be called The Glass and Garden Church. It was designed in 1966, in the style of Frank Lloyd Right, with 360° view of a garden in the middle of the lobby, as well as a Drive-In Movie Theater option, to listen to sermons. In 2005, then Pastor Patrick Shetler was arrested for embezzling $60k-$100k of church funds, and opening fraudulent credit cards. Some of his congregants, and other churches that belonged to the Reformed Church denomination, didn't want him arrested. He got off with probation and a $50k fine.