The Big Ten LIVE Show 63 / IS MICHIGAN OFF THE HOOK?

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[@ralphgoblue]

NOT ONE THING Conner Stallions did was ILLEGAL. You are allowed to go send people to scout other teams (cant be a staffer) .. The NCAA ALREADY SAID “it was a resource advantage and NOT a competitive advantage “

[@taxisquad11]

Another know nothing nobody....The NCAA said Stallions broke several of their Bylaws. Stallions worked for the Michigan.football program. He paid the people he sent to games. There was a line item in the Football Budget that said "Stallions". Thus, the people sent to games worked for the Michigan football program. What the people did at the games, broke several NCAA Bylaws . Why was this done? To gain an on field advantage. OR why bother?? LB coach Patridge got fired for telling players not to tell anyone what they knew about Stallions. Why was there anything to hide, if Stallions did nothing wrong? Warde Manuel recently said Michigan was guilty. Michigan will NEVER fight any NCAA punishments. If they do, Stallions and Harbaugh would be called to testify under oath.The University DOES NOT want that

[@aohguy2001]

If you’ve come to the conclusion Stallions did not break any rules, then you don’t know or understand the rule. The rule, 11.6.1: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited.” Not sure how or why this is so difficult to comprehend by some. Then add in the part about using electronic devices to record the game, it’s pretty tough to say Michigan’s hands are clean. Furthermore, “resources” acting on behalf of an entity are considered “agents” under the law. Their wrong doing is the wrong doing of the entity they are acting on behalf of. As far as your claim, the NCAA is simply saying this is a resource issue, isn’t quite true. The rule was implemented because there are very few teams outside the Power 5 with the ‘resources’ (financial) to conduct this level of surveillance, and therefore considered an “unfair advantage,” or in simpler terms, cheating. At the end of the day, there’s an open book of Michigan NCAA violations, from recruiting, potential gambling, solicitation of sex with minors, to sign stealing and, that’s just the football program. Then consider the sexual assault cover up with the hockey team, cheating by the baseball team (illegal substances used by pitcher), etc. All points to a serious Lack of Institutional Control. Other programs have received pretty stiff penalties as a result. We will see the outcome later this summer or early fall when the NCAA actually makes their official ruling. The recent settlement Michigan made with the NCAA only addresses the recruiting violation, which opens the door for “repeat offender” status, which based on history, usually will not have a happy ending for the team or University.

[@webmoore4353]

Yep and urban Meyer was paying players!

[@taxisquad11]

@@webmoore4353 Prove it. IF none is forthcoming you will be proven worthless

[@aohguy2001]

@@webmoore4353 ah, here we go with the deflection tactic. Don’t you mean allegedly paid players? A valid source proving this would be helpful. And, how long has Urban been out of coaching? Was there ever an investigation? No. What we do know, Michigan intentionally broke the rules and cheated. Failed to cooperate with the NCAA investigation and has a plethora of other issues throughout the athletic department. Just own it.

[@mark8337]

I’d be borderline shocked if Michigan didn’t make the playoff. Defending national champs, have plenty of talent, good coaching, once again knows how to win, etc. etc.

[@clarencewalder2985]

Good coaching? How so OR are you going on there past coaching experiences because Michigan has a lot of new coaches and most not all are not that great

[@taxisquad11]

Michigan lost 30 players from their 2-deep and their head coach and all of their assistant coaches

[@UncleRicoOSU]

At least he admitted that all of his “very reliable sources” are Michigan fans 😂 That was brutal

[@mikegee248]

Ohio will be good but Born On Third Base Ryan Day is still at the helm. And he’s mid.

[@IRightwiggle]

Harbaugh was talking about players directly and the NCAA wanted him out so they drummed this up. He’s in the NFL now so they won’t so anything

[@taxisquad11]

What in the heck is wrong with "talking about players directly"??? "won't so stupid"??? THAT is "stupid"

[@aohguy2001]

This doesn't even make sense. The NCAA has no bearing on who coaches a team, regardless of whether someone at the NCAA likes or dislikes Harbaugh. The NCAA has no reason to intervene with a program unless there's a potential cause. Apparently, there is enough smoke for the NCAA to determine a bigger fire is burning somewhere when they uncovered more wrong-doings from the recruitment violations investigation. Then, adding insult to injury, Harbaugh and the University decided not to cooperate. If innocent of any wrongdoing, why would anyone do that? The NCAA did not 'drum this up,' to get him out, Harbaugh was looking for a way out almost as soon as he got there.

[@taxisquad11]

Your mind is a Michigan mind

[@webmoore4353]

As a Michigan fan, I will say this. Ohio is going to be scary good. Wolverines should enjoy last season and stay humble.

[@VladovarBachkin]

They have scary talented players every year. Scary talented players winning. Winning starts & ends with the players heart & drive. The most talented athletes in the world who don't have that, will lose every time.

[@taxisquad11]

@@VladovarBachkin ALL players have "heart and drive".......Here we go again, MORE THINGS of which Michigan is the ONLY only school in the country that has it. LOLOLOLOL

[@webmoore4353]

@@VladovarBachkin again, stay humble. Dont be a buckeye about winning.

[@taxisquad11]

@@webmoore4353 Don't be like Michigan Men, bad winners

[@webmoore4353]

@@taxisquad11 haha okay

[@taxisquad11]

IT DOES NoT MATTER if anyone cheated. What DOES MATTER is that NCAA Bylaws were broken. If Bylaws, rules or laws are broken in any matter, there must always be punishments or chaos runs rampant

[@freeclimb5487]

If that's found to be true then a strongly worded letter of reprimand should issued. Punishment that fits the violation.

[@smh0825]

But if all that’s discovered is Stallions made these decisions on his own and there is no clear tie back to Harbaugh (who’s also gone) then what type of punishment can be given out?

[@taxisquad11]

@@smh0825 $20 Million fine that comes out of the football budget and roster reduction.

[@RichSDet]

Not only will Michigan win the B1G, they will beat Ohio twice this year!😂 our 2026 commit Hart will melt Ohio minds in the future when he beats them three years in a row. Why couldn’t Ohio hand him a bag and get him? One word: Character.

[@mark8337]

I’m not a bet guy so I don’t buy those mags. However, I cheat a bit because I browse them quickly on the shelf. I basically read the Wisconsin write up, look at the Big Ten predictions, and the national rankings. That’s it. I figure those mags are out of date in ways after just a couple weeks or so on the shelf because of how fast things change these days.

[@taxisquad11]

"bet" guy??? Those magazines know WAY more than you.They have a dozen guys collecting data and interviewing every coach in Power 5 conferences. It's you against a team of experts

[@mark8337]

@@taxisquad11 Are you on drugs or something? An employee of “those magazines”? Watching too many conspiracy shows? Too much coffee?

[@taxisquad11]

@@mark8337 Are you ignorant or something?

[@mark8337]

@@taxisquad11 Stop talking about yourself.

[@taxisquad11]

@@mark8337 LOLOL that's what 6th graders say. How embarrassing for you

[@jrs_rankings]

Oh Nick... lol

[@nuttybuckguy9813]

For a good chunk of the conversation he sounded like a rational UM fan. Then came the Connor Stallions topic...

[@aohguy2001]

Do rational Michigan fans exist?

[@RichSDet]

Yes

[@taxisquad11]

That make NO ONE irrational. It will be talked about forever. Talking about something is never bad

[@aohguy2001]

@@RichSDet 🦄

[@jeffderwin2330]

Sixty plus minutes with one caller? Hope he paid a lot for that! Also - the Meyer accusation was when he was at Florida. A Longhorn publication even acted like it was when Meyer was at Notre Dame - making it lazy journalism at its finest since he was an assistant under Lou Holtz at ND!

[@Nick-fz2oo]

Oh okay. I didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification. I was just surprised Mark hadn’t heard anything about it.

[@clarencewalder2985]

All these reports about Myers and other coaches years ago is pathetic, if we are going to bring up the past and dirt let's also bring up how these reporters got there jobs

[@seangarner2687]

BJ Johnson would have been recruited when Meyer was at Notre Dame. He was two years out of college by the time Meyer got to Florida. So the incident, if true, happened while Urban was at Notre Dame.

[@jeffderwin2330]

@@seangarner2687 Thanks - got my dates messed up. So, if the story is true it means Lou Holtz would've condone this!

[@aohguy2001]

It's just a deflection and has nothing to do with the current situation at Michigan.

[@MA-tr4ti]

I had to stop when the guy started whining about michigan cheating and I'm a Michigan fan.

[@taxisquad11]

YOU would be the whiner

[@someguyio3654]

Michigan Donors will be the only ones that can save the program from retribution for the next three years… If Michigan donors are committing 12-15mil. a year to mitigate the consequences and actually attract elite commits amidst the extreme penalties they will be facing.

[@freeclimb5487]

2016 ohio hired homer refs that were also program boosters for the Michigan ohio game. It was certainly on field cheating.

[@aohguy2001]

😂 you do know that this has been debunked countless times! Oh, the head linesman for the game was from Michigan! 😂 (it’s public record). If you spend 5 minutes looking it up, you will find the official statement and the composition of the officiating crew that was there for the game. But, it it makes you feel better to keep believing BS from the Michigan echo chamber and deflecting from the cheating that’s been going on at Michigan…you go for it skippy!🤡

[@taxisquad11]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOOLOLOL

[@aohguy2001]

Investigated and the allegation was debunked almost 8 years ago and you're still whining about it! 😂 First, it was the highest-rated officiating crew in the B1G that year. Second, the crew consisted of 4 from Indiana, 3 from Ohio, 3 from Michigan, 1 from Illinois, and 1 from Pennsylvania. The line judge for the game, who called the spot, was from Michigan.

[@drewmcfly6927]

Michigan CHEATED Michigan fans! people are going to talk crap 🤷🏽‍♂️ get over it

[@freeclimb5487]

Cry more Skippy, Michigan didn't cheat, and your program sucks. Learn to cope. Lmao at you.

[@yung1smitty]

Recruiting staffers sleeping with players 😅😂

[@drewmcfly6927]

@@yung1smitty you guys had a head coach sleeping with recruits 🤣

[@The__Kipster]

Womp womp womppppppppppppp

[@stevej7425]

They learned cheating from your wife.

[@ronfrederick9983]

But they were hired by Cheatigan staff. Advances scouting has never been allowed. Keep spouting this after Cheatigan is banned into Oblivian

[@freeclimb5487]

Wow, are you stupid. Advanced scouting was allowed until the 1990s. The only reason it was disallowed was because some programs couldn't afford to do it, not because it gave an unfair competitive advantage. Then, in 2014, (year maybe wrong), NCAA changed their rule to allow 3rd party advanced scouting. It hasn't even been established Michigan made the minor rules violation. Bottom line. You don't know what you think you know. Michigan never cheated, learn to cope... 15-0 National Champions with the greatest team in NCAA history. Facts.

[@None-dj8iy]

Auh, does yous feels betters nows😂😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!

[@None-dj8iy]

😂😂😂😂advanced scouting was always allowed... they stopped it because some teams complained because they didn't want to commit the resources to do so! Get a life!

[@stan3943]

Ron, take a writing class before contributing. You’re playing the fool here.

[@aohguy2001]

@@None-dj8iy That's not exactly the case. The NCAA implemented the rule because most programs, including many in the Power 5 DO NOT have the resources. You can't spend resources you don't have unless you're the federal government. There is a small percentage of schools with annual budgets over $150-200 million dollars and, most schools only have budgets in the $50 million range. As a result, it provides an unfair advantage to schools with ample budgets compared to those who don't. Context matters. Also, advanced scouting had a very different meaning. I was part of a major program and, we would receive a 16 mm game film of our next opponent every Monday. That was advanced scouting. These films are akin to today's "ALL 22" videos. Another difference is, that plays were shuttled into a huddle versus using signals today. Analytics of signals is not new but in general, it's a real-time, in-game activity and not a systemic advanced scheme. You can downplay it all you want, but the NCAA bylaws are there for a reason. You can point your finger and deflect to other programs claiming everyone does it, maybe, maybe not. At the end of the day, it was Michigan that got caught. That's the reality of it all. Every car on the freeway may be traveling 20 mph over the limit and if only one person gets caught, they still get a fine.

[@ronfrederick9983]

Doing it now because they refused to talk before. Plain and simple

[@Nick-fz2oo]

Wrong again. The NCAA apprently didn’t even attempt to contact Stallions until recently.

[@aohguy2001]

@@Nick-fz2oo Not necessarily true. The University and Harbaugh were not cooperating with the investigation and even threatened a lawsuit against the B1G and NCAA.

[@Nick-fz2oo]

@@aohguy2001 Where’s the proof they didn’t cooperate?

[@aohguy2001]

@@Nick-fz2oo As it appears this is your standard reply, where is the "proof?" How about, where is your proof the Univerity and staff did cooperate? This has been openly discussed and documented, (i.e., the University saying, the "NCAA is a private entity that has no ability to compel testimony or the disclosure of evidence."). Or requiring Stallions to sign an NDA that prohibits him from discussing what he knows. Sounds really cooperative. Since you're implying there has been cooperation, there must be proof they did. I'd be happy to review any source that indicates otherwise. The University was in complete denial until the BIG presented evidence from the NCAA investigation, Interestingly enough, the University suddenly dropped the case with prejudice. I give you credit for sticking with them and trying to defend the tainted honor of Michigan athletics. But keeping your head in the sand is not a good look.

[@Nick-fz2oo]

@@aohguy2001 1. the preliminary injunction was against Tony Pettiti and the Big Ten, this did not include the NCAA so ur wrong about that. 2. Connor Stallions released a statement adressing the sign stealing investigation after he resigned so idk what your talking about regarding an NDA. 3. There is zero evidence that “The University was in complete denial.” This is total speculation on your part. 4. The NCAA being a private entity is a legal statement of fact, not indication that the University was unwilling to cooperate. 5. You’re the one accusing Harbaugh and Michigan of not cooperating so the burden of proof is on you or anyone else making those claims. 6. Lastly, Tony Pettiti met in person with the University President, Santa Ono. Why on earth would someone who refuses to cooperate, schedule a special meeting during their busiest time of the year with the entity accusing and attempting to punish them? I’m going to ask one more time. Where is your evidence that Michigan and Jim Harbaugh were in complete denial and did not cooperate with the NCAA (and taking legal action against people is a right that we all have, it’s called exercising one’s rights as a citizen. It does not implicate the plantiff as uncooperative).

[@ronfrederick9983]

NCAA said it is the worst.

[@treyabbey6477]

They told you that, huh?

[@freeclimb5487]

Liar, ncaa never said that, ohio phuckeye fans said they said that. The NCAA president did say very publicly however, that Michigan won their National Championship "fair and square." Learn to cope...

[@None-dj8iy]

😂😂😂😂if that helps you get some sell so you're not the typical delusional slohio fan, you go right ahead😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!

[@SatansShart]

@None-dj8iy Do u make any points or offer anything of substance when you’re not pounding out emojis like a 12yr old? Bcuz I’m not seeing any

[@SatansShart]

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[@jacenkun2931]

when was this guy in High school? and where was Meyer then?? did anyone do that Research? if not your all looking like FOOLS about the Meyer Hate boner Topics