Marshall 1959 or 1987? - Pros and Cons

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Johan Segeborn

Johan Segeborn

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@Mistershredd
@Mistershredd 4 ай бұрын
A technical correction: 3dB is not "twice as loud" to the ear. To achieve that, you need an increase of 10dB. 3dB is indeed what you get when you double the amplifier power AND double the speakers. But it sounds "a bit" louder, not 2X.
@saltyroserocks457
@saltyroserocks457 2 жыл бұрын
I have both (Pre Effect-Loop Reissues- 1987X & 1959SLP). 1959 more complex, more of everything, actually. I gig more with the 1987 though, primarily because it's 20 pounds lighter, and it still has the goods. I can't use either one without a PB100 attenuator. At a recent show, with venue backlined-cabinets, I had a situation where I couldn't use the attenuator because the venue's cabinet was 4-ohm only (big problem, as the PB100 is 8 & 16 Ohm only)... So I was without attenuation. Uh-oh. Turning the 50 watter up to just beginning of break up, it COMPLETELY overwhelmed the stage, the whole room actually. I ended up turning the whole rig around facing it backwards and stuffing the cabinet front grill into the curtains at the back of the stage, thankfully the joint had those curtains. Got thru the show. The 1959 is loud for sure, but so is the 1987. Sound guys, who listen with their eyes, will constantly harp on me as soon as they see my half stack. The only thing worse than being loud, with these sound guys, is LOOKING loud. I get away with murder when I use a small combo amp. ;)
@timmbosliice
@timmbosliice Жыл бұрын
Whenever I wanna learn anything about Marshalls I end up scrolling past every video until I see Johan haha. Now I know the 50 watt is a much better choice for my play style. Thanks for being so informative and clearing that up!
@ChaosAttractor13
@ChaosAttractor13 Жыл бұрын
Still the best channel on KZbin for amp sounds. Love you Johan. You are the coolest guy!
@orbitaljellyfish808
@orbitaljellyfish808 2 жыл бұрын
My 100w SB with 6CA7’s has insane bass clarity and strength with just a guitar, and esp with g12H at 55hz But it was just too spikey especially with heavy strings and action. Never had a problem with only 4 speakers handling the amp, but I could only cope with 8.5 (NMV) So I went the other direction to compress signal, push mids, and keep the power: 8’s replaced 11’s, got the strings and pickups close, EL34L’s, and Amperex NOS Holland AX7’s replaced the JJAX7’s. Finally, g12M at 75hz replaced the Heavies. Night and day difference and both have their moments but overall this update is warm wooly awesomeness Koss would be proud of.
@markslist1542
@markslist1542 2 жыл бұрын
I have very much wondered about the differences between these two amps for a long time. Johan! Thanks for doing this. I greatly appreciate it. Peace from the US.
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark! Great to hear that
@acerob7173
@acerob7173 Жыл бұрын
Hi Johan, really interesting the comment on Kiss rig during Alive! era, 11:25 I don't know how it is possible for each guitarist (Paul and Ace) to use in parallel both heads... probably the second was as a backup, keeping turned on for the tubes kept warm...
@tomasoprodi9340
@tomasoprodi9340 2 жыл бұрын
just yesterday brought my 50 w from service to practice room and it really always amazes me the sweetnes of its breakup. used a hot plate attenuator @-8db and never crossed half volume on the head. it was just perfect. yup!
@fon267
@fon267 2 жыл бұрын
I think the 1959 is a more complex sounding amp… you get a certain type of crunch that is not achievable by the 1987. As inconvenient as it is having such a loud powerful amp, I still prefer the all mighty 1959 Super Lead.
@saltyroserocks457
@saltyroserocks457 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on. (with my 1987x and 1959SLP)
@dodger916
@dodger916 2 жыл бұрын
The 1959 seems tighter, whereas the 1987 is more brash. It might also have to do with the 50 vs 100 watts.
@221b-l3t
@221b-l3t 4 ай бұрын
Nah I like the 87x. Longterm, two amps, 1987x and a 79 Master Volume dual input. :) Maybe an SLP for cleans :) It can go louder staying clean.
@nigel900
@nigel900 2 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree. The 100 watt amp IS NOT twice as loud as a 50 watt amp! In order to double the volume you would have to increase the wattage by 10 TIMES! A 100 watt amp is only 5 decibels louder 👈🏻 than a 50 watt amp. With that said, I have a Marshall 1987x and a Marshall JVM 205H… both 50 watt amps. I suppose I have an affinity for lower wattage guitar amps simply due to earlier breakup. The 50 watt amps at 4 or 5 have a richer sound in my opinion. There is the issue of fuller bass in the 100 watt models, but for non master volume amps like the 1987x, early breakup on power tubes makes the amp more usable with less punishing volume. Great video and comparison.
@mariokx250
@mariokx250 2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting comparison. I’ve read that Angus Young would use 100 watters for the rhythm tracks and 50 watters for the solos, which seems to make sense given the extra bit of gain and compression it offers. Great video!
@nickangelo3283
@nickangelo3283 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree that the Hundred Watters are amazing for clean tone. My ‘73 Superbass has amazing clean tone. Destroys most Fender clean sounds. So punchy and harmonically rich. There is simply no subsititute for power when it comes to tube amps…
@stefftrim
@stefftrim 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Johan for playing those wonderful vintage Marshall amps. It's always a pleasure to my ears. I noticed the 1987X brakes up quite early in regards to the volume and as you mentioned the 1959 has more headroom and defines the bass better. Regarding KISS setup back around "Alive" the best quality view was on 100000 years, I saw 3 full stacks on Paul and Ace's side. The bottom amps were connected to high input; your statement makes sense, that 2 or even 3 x 100 watt might blow up the speakers especially during a whole set. I don't think they used stage monitors at that time. During the reunion years, Ace had 6 Randall amplifiers, Paul had a stack of 6 JCM900 SL-X.
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steffen! Interesting!
@stefftrim
@stefftrim 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohanSegeborn. I forgot to mention that I saw the reunion stacks on "Psycho Circus tour" Stadium setup, which of cause makes sense with so much air to move. Yesterday after I commented on your video I watched a "Premiere Guitar" interview with Ace's tech, since 2008. Ace uses now 2 JCM 2000 DSL in his tour rig; no speakers mentioned.
@andreacampana4754
@andreacampana4754 2 жыл бұрын
I like the 1959 for the fullness of the tone, while the 1987 in my opinion sounds better when clean. They are both great sounding amp, I had both, now I kept the 100 watter, best amplifier ever!
@darrellminx5459
@darrellminx5459 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Johan,both sound great. I have always been a 50 watt man ever since Duane. He used a 50 watt and Dicky always used 100 watts. The 50 watt has more attack and urgency to it. But then again you can't deny Dickys great tone as well. Cheers
@adamwatson6916
@adamwatson6916 2 жыл бұрын
People also overlook that when page was using his 2 custom spec Hiwatts one of them was a 50 watter . I love 50 Watters .
@darrellminx5459
@darrellminx5459 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamwatson6916 I am a 50 watt guy myself. Best tone and easier to get power tube break up!
@zandig666
@zandig666 Жыл бұрын
Let's go !!!! Someone spilt a rum n coke down that full stack !! When Ace auditioned for KISS I believe he had a 1987 super lead !! Great observation about kiss' amps n cabs !!!!
@peterverschage8347
@peterverschage8347 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Johan!The 1987 for me!I have a 1987x myself with a 1960TV cab.Together with my Les Paul it's a match made in heaven!
@rocksteady309
@rocksteady309 Жыл бұрын
How does the tv cab enhance the tone with the 1987x?
@rocksteady309
@rocksteady309 Жыл бұрын
as opposed to a 1969AX cab?
@peterverschage8347
@peterverschage8347 Жыл бұрын
The tone is a bit fuller and less harsh
@rocksteady309
@rocksteady309 Жыл бұрын
i’m thinking of the same amp/cab/Les Paul combination.I don’t want harshness! not for metal or modern ,just love old time rock and roll!
@rickya3877
@rickya3877 2 жыл бұрын
I always preferred the sound and feel of 50 watters...they also cost less to buy and to retube!
@StevenAnthonyGuitar
@StevenAnthonyGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1987x which I love in terms of (overdrive) sound and feel. It breaks up really quick and is pretty aggressive, so almost no clean from the amp itself, but you can clean it up with your guitar. The biggest downside is the lack of headroom in turns of boosting. After about 1,5 on the volume it's mostly an increase of gain and compression, so if you get the overdrive from the amp, you cannot get it much louder for leads with a boost pedal.
@astraplaneta4656
@astraplaneta4656 2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen this video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHabhKSshqqYjqc&ab_channel=MarshallAmplification He uses the different inputs for different sounds using an A/B box. Also removing the bright cap from the bright channel will massively increase the headroom and make the amp a lot more versatile.
@StevenAnthonyGuitar
@StevenAnthonyGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
@@astraplaneta4656 yes, I have seen that one. Pretty awesome. Personally I like linking the channels and having the bright cap though.
@markslist1542
@markslist1542 2 жыл бұрын
The 1987x sounds like brown sound. The 1959spl sounds like some sort of soulful, epic, legendary, basic rock tone. Perhaps even more than the JTM45.
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 1987 is indeed much browner
@AuntAlnico4
@AuntAlnico4 2 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, the Brown Sound is James Brown from EVH fame and it goes his amps are the ones with the brown sound ! They were all chasing a vintage Marshall Eddie had any how !
@popeye089
@popeye089 2 жыл бұрын
@@AuntAlnico4 Eddia used a super bass for his brown sound
@danielakerman8241
@danielakerman8241 2 жыл бұрын
Not surprising, really, given the lack of clean headroom of the 1987x versus the 1959 and the fact the Variac used by EVH for the brown sound had the effect of limiting clean headroom and giving a more saturated sound.
@willdenham
@willdenham 2 жыл бұрын
@Johan Segeborn, I was wondering, Johan, I always thought there was a difference in circuit design between the two, but a builder of these amps told me that the only difference was wattage and player feel/experience.
@jcoulter43
@jcoulter43 2 жыл бұрын
Love them both, but for my tone, I'd pick the 1987. That's the tone I go for in my current rig. Great video as usual. God bless and rock on 🎸👍😎
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, rock on!
@sglee4708
@sglee4708 2 жыл бұрын
Obviously they both sound great I'll take 100 w half stack with a fryette power station all night long thank you for the awesome videos please keep them coming
@eddieholmes3236
@eddieholmes3236 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. 1987 for me. Each increase in the volume added more colour. Rock solid stability in an uncertain world 👌
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eddie! Yeah lots of different distortion textures with the 1987
@tomasvanecek8626
@tomasvanecek8626 2 жыл бұрын
It does it all for me .. and if possible, make it a 1968 :) for 100watters I prefer Hiwatts
@JBASH2011
@JBASH2011 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience the 50w always sound better pushing a single G12M 4x12 than a 100w pushing two G12M cabs. Using the H magnets, I think the 100w fares better with two cabs than the 50 with a single cab. For whatever reasons.... what is going on with the way the speakers are getting pushed (or not) , magic mojo from the rock tone gods, etc- those just seem to be the best sounding combinations.
@davebird534
@davebird534 Жыл бұрын
Hi Johan , great video as usual! I'm a vox AC 30 Guy but I did own a 100 watt super lead . It was way too loud to be practical. it was always kind of thin sounding. I use it with a THD hot Plate back in the Day to dig into the power section a little more and faten up the tone . Not a very good power attenuator, but you could knock it down a few decibals without killing the tone and dynamics too much . I pulled the two outside power tubes to bring it to a 50 watt. This faten up the tone a little and got it to compress more . But when all was said and done I got more warmth, mid-range saturation and growl and nice bouncy compression with a nice bloom out of the vox ac 30 . So in this video I naturally gravitated towards the 50 Marshall. Just thicker sounding, more power tubes and output transformer saturation .
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave! Yeah the 50W compresses more which can be perceived as fatter and smoother
@AmpAHolic-wn6mr
@AmpAHolic-wn6mr 2 жыл бұрын
I have both heads with same year cabs. Oddly enough an early 71 100watt and a 50watt from 74. Very close to what your using. I use a lower value cap on the volume pots and disconnect the feedback wire. This removes the harshness and really allows the amp to bloom. A Variac and attenuator keeps things in check. Early metal panel amps are known to be a bit on the bright side. I do prefer the 100 watt, as it’s a bit tighter, has more thump and overall a bigger sound. Great comparison. Thanks Johan
@StevenMikel1
@StevenMikel1 2 жыл бұрын
I like them both equally for what they're good at.
@houseofshred3725
@houseofshred3725 2 жыл бұрын
If "BOTH" isn't an option, I'm going with the 1987. They're both freaking killer though!!
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Ontariosound
@Ontariosound 2 жыл бұрын
I have a JCM 800 model 1987. Great amp. Can hang with many 100 watt heads easily. Big transformers.
@toddashley407
@toddashley407 2 ай бұрын
Not the same thing.... Year 1987 and 1987x are 2 different things. The 800 is a different circuit.
@Ontariosound
@Ontariosound 2 ай бұрын
@@toddashley407 There is a model 1987 from the JCM 800 series. There is also a model 2204 from the JCM 800 series….
@MichaelSorensen-bl3ec
@MichaelSorensen-bl3ec Жыл бұрын
Jeg nyder altid dine videoer, informative og underholdende.
@xyzd70
@xyzd70 2 жыл бұрын
I like the extra detail and definition with the bass in the 1959 but having the 1987 breakup so early on the volume would make it a lot easier to gig with or even play at home than the 1959. With volume 1 being distorted but a bit shrill at lower volume I think the 1987 would do well with having the channels jumpered. The 1959 has more bass and even gain going up the volume so I don't think it'd need to be jumpered. It just seems overwhelming loud by the time it starts to breakup while the 1987 does it more rapidly. I don't know if there has been a bright cap change in either one but the 1987 breaks up way faster and sounds like it's sagging more or caving in on itself at full volume while the 1959 just belts out the notes. In any case it makes me wish you'd compare an SV20 to the 1987 and 1959 if you ever have all three in the same room
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I’ll compare it to a SV first chance I get
@stephanguisseppi
@stephanguisseppi 2 жыл бұрын
The SV20 is an incredible amp. Especially for the price. Needs to be jumpered though.
@xyzd70
@xyzd70 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephanguisseppi I've got an SV20 as well, I've just got to hear how the lower frequencies sound compared to the 50 and 100w since the 100 watt sounds a bit different from the 50. The 100 and 50w are the real deal and the little 20w does a good job as well but they're all going to sound different because of the headroom
@marstegreg
@marstegreg 2 жыл бұрын
I’m biased since I own an original late 70’s JMP 1987. I preferred over a 100w as the 50w compressed so much sooner.
@alanst.4417
@alanst.4417 2 жыл бұрын
Both killer sounding, but hard to choose one. The 1987 seems to have much more gain on tap perfect for a wide range of classic rock, but on the cleaner sounds the 1959 complex tone with much more headroom can't be beat. That said the 50W head wins in terms of usable volume levels and transport... Cheers!
@bbpowell
@bbpowell 2 жыл бұрын
Excuse my somewhat newby amp ignorance, but how are you able to hear the sound with headphones on? Surely it's different than the sound presented to free space? If anyone could school me real quick on this I'd be very grateful 🙂
@f33fifofum
@f33fifofum 2 жыл бұрын
All I know is that you must have some incredible ear-pro! Both are incredible but the 1959 has a richer tone for my money. Great video.
@Schlumpf.Meister
@Schlumpf.Meister 2 жыл бұрын
I find it very funny how often it is stated that the 100w has more bass or less compression. I suspect that most people have no clue how loud these amps actually are and that standing in front of them inflicts pain. Uncle Larry states that the biggest difference between the two is a usable clean range with the 100w version.
@An2oine
@An2oine Жыл бұрын
Hello, is the 1959 preamp circuit the same as the 1987 preamp circuit, just different power sections?
@mrk3467
@mrk3467 2 жыл бұрын
I love how bright the Les Paul sounds in this video. Would you attribute that to the amps or is there a special bridge pickup in the guitar right now ?
@joshk5686
@joshk5686 2 жыл бұрын
Lead spec amps are naturally really cutting and bright
@casqueadrian
@casqueadrian 2 жыл бұрын
He use high treble input 2, could have more bass if bridged both channels.
@lucyfuir6386
@lucyfuir6386 7 ай бұрын
I own a 75 1987 50 w I run it through a 74 cab w original creambacks 1221 cones and a 78 cab with 1996 g12L35s (out of a red bear) in parallel. With my 95 les paul or 93 explorer it sounds like heaven. My 2004 jcm 2000 100w full stack cant make that sound.
@braxal6983
@braxal6983 2 жыл бұрын
Johan I have a 1972 50 watt Marshall . Should I buy the 1959 HW 100 for a different tone or is this just too much the same tone with more watts?
@tomasoprodi9340
@tomasoprodi9340 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same '72 50 and also a '75 and then have an SLP. They're quite diffrenet beasts but if you tend to use an attenuator it becomes a matter of nuances
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
I think the 1959HW is a bit stiff and harsh compared to an early 70s Super Lead
@braxal6983
@braxal6983 2 жыл бұрын
So should I pass on buying the new 1959 HW 100 since I have the 1972 50 watt? Mine is in excellent condition since I bought it in 1985 and hate to have anything happen to it is another reason I was thinking about buying the 1959 HW. Please advise
@pjoliver182
@pjoliver182 2 жыл бұрын
I love your discussion videos 👍🏼 How does the 1959 compare with 2 tubes removed?
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, that’s a great idea for a video!
@pjoliver182
@pjoliver182 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohanSegeborn also, were the two amps using the same preamp spec? Coupling caps, cathode bypass caps etc?
@markn4526
@markn4526 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohanSegeborn I've tried running my Super Lead with 2 tubes removed and it seemed to make a good portion of its magic disappear.
@babydaddy1930
@babydaddy1930 Жыл бұрын
Well I have a 1972 park 75 with the KT 88s but I also have a 1971 50 watt JMP and I prefer the 50 watt myself I like the way they break up I like the funk I like the nastiness, roll the volume back a little for clean sounds I'll stick with the fifties I thought you sounded better on that. Has that early seventies Michael schetner thing going on
@anthonydratnal1870
@anthonydratnal1870 2 жыл бұрын
Johan, could you please make a comparison of the 1987 vs 2204 and the 1959 vs the 2203? Your 1977 2204 has often sounded like a 50 W non-master to me in clips, but I've never heard a 2203 come that close to 1959's less-compressed sound. The 1959 is definitely a handful to live with, but I love its headroom and detail. I usually run mine at 4 or 5 on the volume, and it's probably less harsh to me because I put it through a 1970 1982A cab - with regular 75 Hz Greenbacks it can definitely be a razor blade!
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yeah 1987 vs 2204 would be interesting. I think the 2204 will be slightly more nasal sounding and much gainier. Cheers
@goobiecaro8135
@goobiecaro8135 2 жыл бұрын
The 50 watt half stack sounded best to my ears.
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Goobie!
@danwilson9530
@danwilson9530 Жыл бұрын
Curious, is this 50 watt 1987 an early '73 that's still handwired or a later '73? (Not that I think it would make a sonic difference)
@SuperScreamerBand
@SuperScreamerBand 4 ай бұрын
Soundwise I do prefer the 1959. To me It has more of that gnarly Marshall tone, and it feels tighter all the way.
@jgabora
@jgabora 10 күн бұрын
Agree. The 1987 falls apart at higher volumes. Sounds too distorted and loses definition. The 1959 has a nicer compression and definition.
@djfedezaza
@djfedezaza 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the dumb question.. why would a 4×12 25watts loaded speaker blow up with a 100 watt head?
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not a dumb question. The 100W rating pertains to the effect that the amp can put out clean. At full volume it puts out about 180W
@djfedezaza
@djfedezaza 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohanSegeborn woah.. i didn't know that. But is this valid only for this kind of vintage Marshall amp or for every amp? Example: i have a 30w rated peavey valve amp with a single 30w speaker. Should i be worried?
@leveractiongypsy1848
@leveractiongypsy1848 2 жыл бұрын
I think a good way to hear the difference of these heads is listen to The Allman Brothers Live at The Filmore. Dickey used 100watts, Duane used 50 watts though I've heard Duane used 50Watt bass heads
@aarta8743
@aarta8743 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Obviously the 100W version have more rich and fluent sound. I was intend to purchase a 50W, now no question the 100w clearly better.
@thechannelforeverything2170
@thechannelforeverything2170 2 жыл бұрын
Dang these amps are bright. Rockin' tones all the way through man 🤘
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :-)
@siegfriedwashburn3484
@siegfriedwashburn3484 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Johan! They are awesome! 87 is more "talking to me"! See you!👍 Z.
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Zigfrid!
@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 2 жыл бұрын
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@siegfriedwashburn3484
@siegfriedwashburn3484 2 жыл бұрын
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@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 2 жыл бұрын
@@siegfriedwashburn3484 Haha! GOOD to hear! NOT going anywhere Zigg! Shalom chever!
@siegfriedwashburn3484
@siegfriedwashburn3484 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMSProduktions Shalom u bracha (Peace and bless you!) 👍. Our country is smaller, then 10watt amp, but sounds like a big full stock!😂 See you, bro!
@rowanturner692
@rowanturner692 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating comparison, I like both! I guess I lean towards the 1959 as I have a reissue 1996 100w, I have recorded it at all volume settings & hear a lot of similar tones as I use greenbacks in quads as well, of course they sound great without attenuation devices, however, in the real world unless you are in a stadium that's not going to happen! So attenuation or pedals are the usual suspects!
@astraplaneta4656
@astraplaneta4656 2 жыл бұрын
The 1987 has a very focused sound and gets better the more its pushed, in comparison the 1959 can sound a bit distant and the EQ goes a bit weird the more its pushed.
@jimmyc5498
@jimmyc5498 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jimmy!
@truthserum9157
@truthserum9157 Жыл бұрын
If you can crank up, the 59 sounds best, if not the 87 is the way to go, that’s why I have an 87 and the slant top cab.
@danwilson9530
@danwilson9530 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to go with the 1987 just because I have one and not the other.
@ronnielawson8276
@ronnielawson8276 2 жыл бұрын
Did they have attenuated in the early 70's
@tomburden
@tomburden 2 жыл бұрын
Can a 1959 HW be used with a 2x12?
@mawashigerimasa
@mawashigerimasa 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had seen this video 3 months earlier. I would have rather bought 1987x... My 1959hw sounds good anyway, just incredinly loud! Greetings from Helsinki.
@migueldelatorre9475
@migueldelatorre9475 Жыл бұрын
The 100W is only 3db louder than the 50W not much deference.
@bengtjohansson6364
@bengtjohansson6364 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Johan! Demo of 1987 and 1959 always good, and I like your discussion after. Is the conclusion that for the best sound Greenbacks are "consumables"? For just the guitar I liked 1987 best, richer sound. In a mix it might be different. Maybe you need 1959 if your band mates were named e.g. Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce?
@titahibayflier3160
@titahibayflier3160 2 жыл бұрын
3dB is twice the power. The reality is that the 100 watt amp is louder but not by much. Say you get 120 decibels volume max with the 50 watt. With all being equal you will get 123dB with the 100 watt amp.
@MrBarefoot09
@MrBarefoot09 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man
@chadherring2790
@chadherring2790 9 күн бұрын
Put the 100 watt through a single 4x12 with v30s (either Marshall vintage or the celestions) and you’ll have all the punch you’d ever need
@vintagetone22
@vintagetone22 2 жыл бұрын
nice one from the king.🎵🎵🎸🎸🎸🎶👍👍👍
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :-)
@zelejazz
@zelejazz 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison :), well done, congrats... I would say BOTH !!!!!!
@carittarhone3813
@carittarhone3813 2 жыл бұрын
so you cant play the 59 on one cab without blowing the speakers ?
@lucyfuir6386
@lucyfuir6386 7 ай бұрын
Depends on the cab. 100 W 16 ohm cab I would not risk it 4 ohm or 275 w any ohm cab hell yes
@vinnieramone4818
@vinnieramone4818 2 жыл бұрын
ac/dc supposedly goes thru a lot of cabs and transformers on the road doing exactly that somewhere on u tube there's an interview w/ their sound tech my experience w/100 vs 50w marshals is the 100w are too loud for most clubs/ drummers and the 50w isn't loud enough it doesn't seem like you can get the same kind of dynamics and expressiveness w/ the 50w
@peteyoung7665
@peteyoung7665 Жыл бұрын
That was easy.The 1987 50 blows the 1959 super lead away!You can use a variac on the super lead and make it sound good.But with full voltage they are horrible
@louaguado995
@louaguado995 2 жыл бұрын
Just don't turn them up to eleven, then you won't blow up your speakers! Lol. I used to have a 30 watt speaker in a 100 watt combo. Played it for years without blowing that speaker. I sold my 5 100 watt amps. Now I'm using 15 to 50 watt ones. The 50 watter sounded smoother. Actually twice the power doesn't equal twice the volume. That's been known for years.
@lemmy8ob
@lemmy8ob 2 жыл бұрын
I have two 1959s...a 2000 plexi reissue and a 1979 metal-face, only 2 rules: always use with the power brake & don't try to play slow jazz thru either one...\m/
@dc4019
@dc4019 2 жыл бұрын
I really want someone to plug a 7-String into the 1987x. I feel like it would handle a 7-string very well.
@svbarr
@svbarr Жыл бұрын
Maybe the Allman Brothers had it right. Go with a 50 watter and use JBL or some other very efficient speaker. If you want some distortion and creamy tone in any room/club less than 3000 sq feet the 100 watter is just to damn loud.
@Malama_Ki
@Malama_Ki 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a misconception that a 100w is “twice” as loud. As far as decibels go, a 50w is about 75% of a 100w. The only reason to have a 100w these days is if you’re on a massive arena or stadium stage and are going for massive stage volume.
@Dagger_323
@Dagger_323 2 жыл бұрын
Sure, if you're only judging by wattage alone, there's no practical application for a 100 watt head 90% of the time. But there is a significant tonal difference between these two heads alone (not just these two specific examples, but with these two models across the board). Personally I much prefer the girth and the headroom of the 100 watter. It lacks the level of compression and is slightly more scooped, with more low end and later breakup allowing for more versatility. I own a 100 watt 1959HW Super Lead, and pair it with a good attenuator where I can dial it all the way back to bedroom levels if I want. And nothing else I have ever plugged into gives me that tone. Even the 50 watt Plexis simply don't cut it for me.
@Mold81
@Mold81 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dagger_323 nice! I agree with you. what attenuator do you use?
@Dagger_323
@Dagger_323 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mold81 I use an SPL Reducer. It’s passive and completely tonally transparent. I have tried every attenuator on the market, and I mean _every_ one of them, and none compare to the convenience, sonic transparency, or versatility of that unit. German engineering at its finest. I highly recommend checking one out if you have the chance.
@kuitaristi3003
@kuitaristi3003 2 жыл бұрын
100w 1959 wins! Your still using Gibson burstbucker 2 in LP bridge pickup?
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, no now it has an SD Alnico 2 Pro
@jakestewartmusic
@jakestewartmusic 2 жыл бұрын
1959 sounded flatter, cleaner, bigger, less compressed, tighter - sounded best to me above 6. 1987 sounded thicker, more compressed, more mid-focused, looser - sounded best to me between 4 and 6.
@vincenzoerriquenz2356
@vincenzoerriquenz2356 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Johan, in my opinion the 1987( 50watt) is way better in most of the occasions: loud enough for playing with a band and compete with a drummer, good sounding at any volume level, smoother, with more mids and better cutting through, its cons compared to the 1959 are not really cons actually: no sound engineer or producer is actually happy with the load of bass that the 1959 has, at low volumes the 100watter sounds thin and weak more than clean-ish , and 5he 100watter is painfully loud, which unfortunately is the main way to make that head " alive", so...1987 for all!😊 Cheers
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vincenzo, Cheers!
@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV
@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV Жыл бұрын
How much gain can a 1959 actually produce?
@okaytastic6691
@okaytastic6691 Жыл бұрын
Check out the Zeppelin Madison Square Garden live recordings
@marstegreg
@marstegreg 2 жыл бұрын
The 1987 sounds more “rude” as Jeff Beck would say. The 1959 is slightly cleaner. I’d go with 1987.
@M-a-r-s-h-a-ll
@M-a-r-s-h-a-ll Жыл бұрын
1987 for me........Marshall .....the amplifier
@casqueadrian
@casqueadrian 2 жыл бұрын
1959 is a little bit more compressed , 1987 is more wild and brash . 1987 is my choice, easy to cranck.
@ilredeldeserto
@ilredeldeserto 2 жыл бұрын
I dind't understand why with 1987 you will burn the speakers
@PureToneAmps
@PureToneAmps 2 жыл бұрын
both amazing, they are different beasts but... both amazing.... I prefer super bass & 1985/1986 types though.
@cliveclive54
@cliveclive54 2 жыл бұрын
Bra! 💪🤟
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Clive! 😉
@michaelstankiewitch5391
@michaelstankiewitch5391 Жыл бұрын
I thought kiss used jbls so power no issue.I always see shiny dust caps in kiss cabs
@mawashigerimasa
@mawashigerimasa Жыл бұрын
1959 sounds bigger but 1987 more focused. I think that the more you push these amps, the more it favours 1987.
@DS-nw4eq
@DS-nw4eq 2 жыл бұрын
The 1987 f***ing rips. I agree with another commenter though that the 1959 is more complex and seemingly more versatile.
@okidoke-xe8gj
@okidoke-xe8gj 8 ай бұрын
1987x is more harsh (upper mids) in this vid
@leveractiongypsy1848
@leveractiongypsy1848 2 жыл бұрын
I'd take the 1987 myself, I thought the lead tones were better
@crflores76
@crflores76 2 жыл бұрын
1987 is more gayny, but surprisingly little bit thicker than 1959… I like 1987… Pd: the community should think about giving johan a loop station…poor johan with numb fingers after playing the same riff 100 times… lol
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yeah I should probably look into one of those
@bobzherunckle
@bobzherunckle 2 жыл бұрын
Please release impulse response using your cabinets and your recording technique, for us poor souls who aren't able to play loud but are striving to get close to your iconic tone. I would buy that s*it in a second!
@jutukka
@jutukka 2 жыл бұрын
100W amp is twice as loud as 10W amp.
@russiangoose7053
@russiangoose7053 Жыл бұрын
Conclusion, run both 😂
@alfrescodimieary6580
@alfrescodimieary6580 2 жыл бұрын
Overall not bad just one suggestion especially when you’re speaking at the end of this stop rocking back-and-forth it’s really fucking annoying. What you’re saying is OK but just work on the delivery
@lemmy546
@lemmy546 Жыл бұрын
So you have a problem? Own it and deal with yourself, or simply just stay out from watching YT. Why not do a better video on your own? Good luck mate
@phpfunkdotcom
@phpfunkdotcom 11 ай бұрын
My pick is the 1959, volume on 6, reminds me of early AC/DC albums
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