Marss vs Elegant - Winners' Quarterfinals: Ultimate Singles - Shine 2019 | Zero Suit Samus vs Luigi

[@L0R3N23]

Mars is the type of player that you get pissed off at bc you barely can get a hit in. (specifically the first set) He is a very entertaining ZSS to watch though.

[@lucidsoups]

I feel bad for elegant. Putting in so much work just to continuously meet marss in bracket.

[@therealivysaur]

lucid soup That’s the story of Nairo too 😂

[@owen9517]

Yeah, but at least he's sponsored now.

[@UnsweetTea]

Yea man anyone meeting marss needs to play extremely well it’s bracket luck but you end up facing marss Leo or tweek or any other top 10 player and you have to be prepared

[@nicklong7442]

I’d so much rather see him play MKLeo.

[@averagejoe9229]

This is a terrible match-up for Luigi. Unfortunate opponent for Elegant.

[@phil7699]

pro level gamplay from zero suite is so satisfying

[@deanthelemur1716]

Isaac nobel yes he’s destroying his whole life

[@BeynT.]

I started maining ZSS in sm4sh and picked her up again after I saw marss

[@SensiblePleasantries]

suite life

[@YeLiRSlLiB]

Dean Balva And you aren’t by watching this video? Lmao

[@FriedBacon88]

the entire matchup is just that fair at 2:20 it's like batting around a balloon his airspeed is so bad

[@mannx2_495]

I didn't think that was very _fair._ pretty *un-* fair if you ask me.

[@zake64]

Press F for my boy Elegant after that game 1 😔

[@mandalorianhunter1]

ZSS just can completely shut diwn Luigi. Marss always has Elegant's number due to knowing his bad habits and capitalizing on every opportunity.

[@nicklong7442]

Zero_OR 5 I can concur. Luigi player here that got knocked out of bracket by a ZSS yesterday. And it wasn’t even their main. He just knew how to counter pick.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@nicklong7442 like Luigi has better options to combat ZSS then he did in the last two games and can combo her to death, but just getting in is hell.

[@thewinkersshow575]

Campy zss shuts down Luigi, but the way marss was playing gave elegant a much greater chance

[@jayzwrld4746]

God this matchup sucks for Luigi so much man.

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

Buff Luigi's recovery, air speed and make his zair grab ledges, then Luigi will be high tier.

[@adrianordp]

And a wall jump. Makes no sense that he can't do it!

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

@@adrianordp Agreed!

[@mappyishot8110]

Pls no

[@z-past1454]

Charles Anielo Yes

[@nicklong7442]

Lolll. If he could Zair to ledge he’d be high tier.

[@DarthBerial]

Marss is just scary when he guesses correctly.

[@Jeffreypeguero]

1:37 watch sakurai the RIP luigui nerf.

[@azaeliteblack]

5:30 you ain't slick with that Invader Zim reference

[@AJAXHQ]

But I love invader zim lol

[@azaeliteblack]

@@AJAXHQ you have great taste, man

[@mentlegentlemen7409]

Marss making elegant look like he just picked up smash.

[@mugiwara7116]

"ZSS is trash" -Best ZSS player on the planet

[@UnsweetTea]

Game one happens: Me: marss is about to win his tourney

[@laurucs6985]

Damn my boy Elegant needs to learn the matchup against ZSS. Hope to see him win sometime in the future against Marss

[@1Aleczize]

Mars’s so good

[@pinelpal1218]

Its like a fighter jet against a balloon

[@sharsasuke01]

Flipkick is ridiculous.

[@castiexl1082]

you've never played samus before and it shows, flipkick it's actually a very hard technique that isn't easy to dominate.

[@jorgeespinola944]

psycopathgeek true

[@titouanlefevre5231]

Destruction mode activated

[@slobodanminic2347]

I really love Elegant's Luigi in matchups like these he should try to find a secondary

[@antsolution]

Glauque Geek Girl barely

[@lmao2302]

Rags vs Elegant but Rags is Elegant and Marss is Elegant

[@cwwitchkyobi]

Love watching Marss beat up Luigi, it's so satisfying. No 0 to death combos from Luigi :)

[@mcnoir9840]

Remember smash 4 when elegant was better than marss yeah me to

[@voodooedits785]

I know I’m late but back in smash 4 Luigi did well against ZSS

[@dannypaez2844]

Uff awful matchup for Elegant. Lookin like Gooigi out there

[@sauce8277]

*game 1* "Welcome to the top 5 leagues" 😮😅

[@gunslinger9786]

Marss warming up for mkleo

[@adammurphy1458]

ZSS is just good Captain Falcon :')

[@craz107]

idk, pretty sure that's Ganon

[@Knooper]

I miss Melee Luigi :(

[@gkoala2295]

Buff Luigi please 😫

[@codyparsons2065]

Agreed. idk why they took his down b mobility away.

[@JingleJohngle]

Personally being able to use 2 bairs in 1 jump like Mario would be great, it's slow af after u use it

[@gkoala2295]

I personally would like to see a Luigi with a good recovery. This linear recovery is so exploitable, you would think he was little Mac.

[@dustinseth1]

Sucks they keep meeting in the bracket. ZSS such a tough matchup.

[@gunslinger9786]

Nah, zss isn't bad matchup for luigi, its just marss is a much better player.

[@zenith1087]

@@gunslinger9786 not even that , Luigi is such a slow character and his weakness is Very Agressive Fast characters and Players

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

character loyalty is cool and all, but too much of anything is a bad thing

[@camdenkells6222]

Gunslinger zss is a terrible match up. I do think Marss is better anyway elegant has literally no chance already because of the match up.

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

@@dorkasaurus_rex What about fatality?

[@mahfoudhiabdelaziz1137]

soory

[@martinluther123]

It looks like this is the end of Elegant. Luigi doesn't seem able to compete in the highest level of gameplay. And I really don't think Elegant will pick any secundaries seriously. This was really rough to watch :(

[@vecvecvec]

He has a secondary in Diddy Kong. Also Luigi is certainly competitively viable, Elegant just gets predictable with his overuse of down b imo

[@martinluther123]

@@vecvecvec "He has a secondary in Diddy Kong". I clearly said that he won't pick up any secondaries "seriously", that word was key in that sentence. He never uses anything other than Luigi in majors. "Luigi is certainly competitively viable". You really can't say that though. You literally have 0 evidence to back that up. No Luigi so far has proven that, in fact the best Luigi in the world is getting consistentely destroyed. "Elegant just gets predictable with his overuse of down b imo". I agree with you here. Too much down-b for sure. I think it's just a sign of frustration. But that's clearly not the only thing keeping him away from doing good, the problem is way bigger than that and I think you will acknowledge that.

[@vecvecvec]

@@martinluther123 You're right, I don't have anything to back up my assertion of viability except for his good frame data, combo game and OoS/read game. Like Shulk and Nicko, it's a bit theoretical, but if Elegant can minimize his bad habits (I think) he could bring a lot more out of Luigi.

[@martinluther123]

@@vecvecvec yeah, that is indeed theoretical. Theory is not evidence though. In theory every character is tournament viable, you can make whatever case you want for any character... But if you want evidence you need results, that's the only thing that can validate the theory. Until then it's just a theory. And hey, I'm not saying Luigi is not tournament viable, I'm just saying that so far it doesn't look like it. For a while Elegant was doing better but that upward trajectory seems to be over.

[@vecvecvec]

@@martinluther123 Of course. Theory is a little, but not quite enough, since play style and mind games add a lot to the mix. Based on my educated guess I'd say Luigi is quite viable! Since you can't disprove his viability (which can be done in theory with characters such as Little Mac and partially Jigglypuff) we'll just have to see what happens from here. Also I think it's funny that a greek philosopher is having a discussion about smash with a homestuck troll in crocs

[@joshdamighty]

Mars is such a good player, but damn is ZSS bullshit.

[@sailor3047]

sheesh

[@TheWatcher2461]

This is just not okay

[@stevencontreras84]

Yeah, Luigi's recovery made him lost

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Elegant really needs to change how he approachs things.

[@Osmosis-jy6xp]

Don’t blame that on Luigis recovery he got sauced on that stock

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@camdenkells6222 he had a villager, but I think ZSS beats them as well.

[@vecvecvec]

@@mandalorianhunter1 i have seen him pull out diddy kong on occasion

[@grapeeggplant3863]

Marss out here making elegant look like a scrub.

[@Ram-qo1tq]

Poor elegant, nerf zss (?

[@Spaze47]

Nah, the matchup is really bad (for Luigi). Plus, Marss is crazy.

[@AlejandroRamirez-tz7ff]

Gotta love to see elegant being destroyed by marss

[@nicklong7442]

Alejandro Ramirez no. Go away.

[@AlejandroRamirez-tz7ff]

@SmashCracklePop reason?

[@highznbrg]

same

[@ikaridonovan2722]

I love to XD XD