Pro Player Reviews the FANCIEST ZSS Guide on YouTube

I know a thing or two about ZSS, but do OTHERS? That's what I've set out to solve today, by reviewing IZAW's ZSS Guide. Is it accurate? Is it outdated? DOES ZSS STILL SUCK? (The answer to that last question is obviously yes.)
Link to Original Video: • Smash Ultimate: Art of...
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[@ZacharyJ961]

All I'm hearing is we need a marss zss guide

[@aezito9516]

Retweet

[@selmiespot]

still waiting...

[@imnabong6388]

Still waiting…

[@alexhooper6625]

Izaw is like, the GOAT for "new character" guide, for the average player. He's got enough of a grasp on the game and it's mechanics to know every character's strengths and weaknesses, even if he doesn't play each one at a top tier level. His Link is his strongest character for sure, but the man can really pick up whoever he wants at this point and beat any non-tournament level player. And when I say "tournament level" I don't mean Random Steve #678 that made it to top 64 by playing Steve or Aegis, I mean lower level regional bracket players.

[@kiwimonifa3200]

dude's guide is actually good. I get why Marss has to critique some things for competitive play and appearance reasons, but it is an informative and clean guide for newer/mid/more experienced players.

[@JacobBush16]

100%. His target audience isn’t the best player of a character. It’s people trying to learn a character. Marss and his chat don’t seem to get that.

[@zukodean285]

Yeah mars will play the cringe “haha zaps bad” even though I’m really fuckibg good with him trope.

[@adamyohan]

I think "the fanciest zss guide" trophy EASILY goes to Stawbs Orio. His videos are clean.

[@daniellewis8350]

Facts

[@ArcaneArmor2321]

TRUEEE

[@VerrouSuo]

fax machine

[@OrionsVantage]

There are parts of Orios guide in iZaWs 'Art of ZSS'

[@pinklemonadeschannel]

Orio is one of Izaw’s editors

[@anonymous7024]

5:19 “Put me against these vegetables, bro” Jeez that was harsh. *Eats a carrot*

[@marissaparadis9566]

Izaw does go to tournaments in montreal, he's current ranked 10th on the pr (if that's the link I'm thinking of)

[@ngotemna8875]

@@StealthKey He mainly plays Ike for training sessions because he's such a very basic character

[@OneLazyBoi]

Izaw has pretty good videos if your trying to get into a new character

[@ngotemna8875]

Agreed I think he provides valuable information on what a character's strengths and weaknesses are. I never considered him to be a combo guide, so I am not surprised that the combos he mentioned are a bit outdated and not necessarily true

[@Clarkbardoone]

@@ngotemna8875 I very much agree. he is very good for learning a characters neutral, win condition, advantage, and specifics/set play of the character but fails in explaining execution or routing.

[@SleepyFawn]

I was curious about Yoshi, and his video showed me things that made yoshi look like a top 10 character. Options and applications I'd never even considered. Amazing info!

[@lyxertt]

You're *

[@ngotemna8875]

@@Clarkbardoone My Marth improved tremendously, just because of the basics I learned from his video. It's the small things like doing sideB like this: side, side, down, side Instead of: side, side, side, [wait], side. Way more consistent, way easier because you do not have to wait depending on how much damage the enemy has.

[@luke8324]

Marss: 7:02 - don't down b out of combos. Also Marss: 10:30 😅

[@yamsang0__0]

That wasn’t even hitstun bro

[@Pato-ci3tb]

@@yamsang0__0 ??? How was that not hitsun

[@Pato-ci3tb]

To be fair he also said he probably should have died there

[@luke8324]

Found the timestamp and modified the comment to suit. Having said that, I'm not sure what you mean? He had just got hit by up-tilt, and used down-b on pretty much the first actionable frame, i.e. "out of" hitstun.

[@luke8324]

@@Pato-ci3tb Haha yeah I just thought it was classic Marss: "do as I say, not as I do".

[@robsquare2622]

I try not to mald at Steve but not having a sour spot on the handle of tools feels fucking insane with how strong and huge they are.

[@Jackpauler4lyfe]

Well with how they designed him, it’d probably be worse if there was a sour spot there. Diamond axe sourspot combo into upsmash on short characters for infinity percent 💀

[@Electro4890]

Why mention steve? Fck that guy bro

[@KevSB07]

I just think the power levels of the materials are ridiculous. Why does Diamond up air do 11% it literally combos better than Meta Knight upair, which does 5 (or 2% if staled)

[@idkwhattoputhere871]

​@@KevSB07imean its pretty difficult to get diamonf

[@KevSB07]

@@idkwhattoputhere871 is it though? Steve is capable of stacking diamonds by constant mining, it’s far from reasonable for him to be that powerful. Besides, my argument holds with wooden upair, which does 8 on its own, which is still more than any other upair combo character (ZSS, Mythra, MK, Mario, Falcon, etc)

[@TheSloppyMcfloppy]

The guide proves why she’s mid. Glad Marss picked up Joker, who has moves that work.

[@benjaminwalker9369]

yeah the forward air connecting must be surprise for marss

[@Mars-pw4iw]

You'd be surprised how often it fails but it's nothing to the level of zss fair

[@eragon78]

@@Mars-pw4iw Basically every multihit in the game is leaky af. I get people meme on it with ZSS, but they forget that its just true of like every character lol. Ultimate is the game where moves just dont work sometimes.

[@Matpit18]

Fanciest guide is a weird way to say “The Best Guide I’ve ever reviewed on my channel”

[@crazykid1325]

Izaw has the most optimal voice for guides it’s so relaxing

[@StretchDub]

Marss is gonna be dropping a ZSS guide at 150k subs.... He reviewed this guide as a tease

[@miibrawler]

I feel that it’s only a matter of time before marss tries brawler cause he’s a similar character, especially with helikick.

[@rayless]

He said he might on Panda's yt, but i think he was joking

[@ngotemna8875]

Enter Esam: "Mii Brawler? Busted!"

[@s.l.e.e.p.y.h.e.a.d]

Time to make your own guide king

[@ohianaw]

I love how Marss face on the thumbnail is exactly what he feels about the trash girl

[@nintendope8837]

Marss is gonna make sure he picks this thing apart lol

[@TheAAJYu]

It’s funny you mention how you mentioned you would go over each character’s moves and their use cases in your hypothetical tutorial, because that was exactly what Izaw did in his Smash 4 character tutorials. He only switched to the current format in early Ultimate.

[@legendavey5930]

Let’s get a review of Orio’s vids! I def learned the most from him

[@Han5073]

I swear in a video marss said that he had a ZSS guide filmed and everything he just needed to write the script and film the video...

[@enchiladaofdeath]

Izaw makes fantastic videos and guides

[@Axel-wo6qu]

I swear when watching you Marss, more moves you hit combo into Arial boost kick than I can count, and nobody talks about it.

[@SalMender351]

Better than Choctopus's guides thats for sure

[@ngotemna8875]

Oof poor Choc lmao

[@erasmus4743]

Big Izaw fan. He makes really good videos. Glad you reviewed it!

[@hankhill6850]

nah marss can't make fun of a zss guide, AND NOT HAVE HIS OWN ZSS GUIDE

[@Hachijo3GS]

Let’s get a ZSS guide from Marss now 😁

[@ryan_raus]

Also to be fair, a lot of people watching these guides are people who need them more, not top players

[@jarrid1220]

That ending had me cracking up

[@JacobBush16]

So Marss reviews a guide targeted at people picking up a character with the mindset like Izaw is trying to teach a top player to play their character. Sure. Sure man.

[@adamdornoff764]

Watching this post Genisis 9 and I am pretty sure I saw Marss try and nair 3 times in a row. And it almost worked lol

[@IsaiahCelloBrown]

"I don't deserve this." 😂🤣😂😭😭

[@yaboku444]

Sparta’s zss goes crazy af !! He’s been a main for 14 years

[@AshenDemon]

Ah yes I've gotten a hard read on my opponent at 100% *GUESS I GET 12%* ZSS in a nutshell.

[@CrimsonStrider]

ZSS reminds me of Marth, except when you miss a tipper you get punished severely or SD.

[@Obibetter]

Izaw does go to locals here in Montreal Quebec Canada

[@lancelee338]

I've been thinking about how a lot of ZSS's kit translates over to Joker Poking with zair is similar to Gun, plus Joker gets yeeha ZSS landing nair and Joker landing fair 1 are both pseudo-safe options against shield but lead to big combos/kills ZSS's dashes are better, but Joker runs really low to the ground. Both are high mobility characters Flipjump and down Gun in disadvantage do very different things, but are still uniquely good disadvantage tools But Joker doesn't sux This hit me when I saw Marss at Summit tech chasing with f smash. It seems unconventional but after thinking about it more, it's probably a carry-over of him tech chasing with ZSS d smash

[@unapologeticasshat9214]

I wonder if we could get IZAW to update his guides in 2022 now that the games not gonna be patched anymore and its had time to develop. Probably not since thats like what...80 chars? It's a thought tho.

[@aezito9516]

Marss: NEVER FLIP-JUMP OUT OF COMBOS Also Marss: 10:31

[@Silverwind_23]

STAWBs Orio has the true zss guide

[@aseulgi75]

Me: Wait. ZSS Sux wasn’t a joke? Marrs: It never was.

[@ItBeHowItBe47]

Just wait til he sees Izaw’s Steve video

[@tristenherron1273]

I haven't heard that name since Smash 4 lmaooo

[@TheEmeraldTyrant]

Spartazss the cleanest zss i know and that will never change

[@jordanyzapata1878]

When the best player of a certain character in the game says she sucks then id be inclined to think ZSS sucks just me tho

[@Clarkbardoone]

To be fair, marss in an exception because you should never believe anything he says ever. It just so happens that he’s the best zss.

[@Hihello13919]

Almost 150k subs LETS GOOOO

[@Yharic]

3:52 any orphan viewers probably laughing rn

[@slapstick2199]

This was more marss complaining about ZSS than him complaining about the guide

[@camelotsr54]

It all comes back to Steve

[@dmandamen6719]

So many of her old combos were killed by the nerds

[@user-uy4ot4ij3y]

Can you react to mkleo joker vs dabuz

[@RichardMoore-c3d]

Emerald Junctions

[@nintendope8837]

That's my thing you can't take- Marss

[@sublimefan1041]

ZSS Guide: "I think the only thing's he's explained is how to do combos and general gameplans" weird lol

[@TrevorMckinley-h3y]

McLaughlin Plaza

[@KittoOlga-n4j]

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[@-Carne-Asada-]

He sounds more disappointed in ZSS not being viable anymore than the guide.

[@E7636]

Hey look it's the guy that said Steve might be the worst in the game

[@nonplayercharacter12333]

I learned four things this video. ZSS gameplay is all reads ZSS sux Don't pick her ever Steve is cringe

[@ryanleblue1209]

He needs to react to ddee vs Jake or mkleo vs dabuz next

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[@matthewgreenewald9219]

Orio is way better zss guide

[@austininflorida]

Orio actually helped make Izaw's

[@markmorales7493]

Didn’t you lose a FT10 to him?

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[@tibisan3503]

ofc getting f***ed by yet another random Steve, now I’m traumatized and regret watching this

[@justinkeeler6929]

I like how at the beginning of the video he's pretending not to know Izaw.... when he has 100k less subs than Izaw xD

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[@arrw1994ify]

We've already seen this 🤔

[@SineFineInanis]

Just make your own ZSS guide

[@toms4888]

No YOU do it

[@SineFineInanis]

No, WE do it

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This I gonna be good

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