The Painful Truth About Realistic Martial Arts Games

[@seba-nw3qz]

Tbh I dont want my games to be fully realistic at this point. I'd rather want the gameplay to be fun but look belivable. I think that is the sweet spot

[@Weareinasimulation-l4x]

Hey martial if you are reading this I have a request can you ask the people at EA to bring UFC 5 to PC? The PC community would greatly appreciate it if you can put in a word for us thank you brother!!!

[@semicki135]

@@Weareinasimulation-l4xthey won’t. People are gonna mod it and they can’t let that happen

[@Weareinasimulation-l4x]

@@semicki135 What a shame, EA and Ubisoft are trash company’s…

[@Autism_moment_of_all_time]

I disagree

[@OoLiiMiiT3D]

I think so to. I would even go as far to say that the mini games on the ground in UFC 4 were so much fun. I dont like the new grappling system, and never really got too good at it anyways, but these mini games were very easy for me and a skill in itself 😂 loved it

[@Yee-Haw-MMA]

EA UFC absolutely does not feel like a sim. They did not even TRY to make it a sim. It is an arcade fighter disguised as a sim. It really is this simple- make sim mechanics optional. Needing to land 10+ knockdowns and flush head kicks not even stunning your opponent is insane. Also, not all of us are online players. The single player experience has been totally neglected. EA doesn’t care, they remove features and put them back. It might as well be a yearly release. It’s lazy and inexcusable. Tekken with 4oz gloves.

[@RyanVentura604]

That's an insult to Tekken. It's almost like the EA UFC games don't know what it wants to be.

[@ChessDocumentaries]

what are u talking abt? UFC gives u the option to customize the damage, so that a flush head kick can take down an opponent

[@alexha2884]

The problem with not just martial arts games … but ALL sports games wanting to be sim has really hurt the genre. Sports games have become overly animated and just feel slow and sluggish… the exact opposite of what sports are and should be: fast, exciting, responsive, etc.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

It's not that they are slow and sluggish it's that they're just poorly designed. Look at a game like Backbreaker, that captures realistic football hits and gameplay much more-so than Madden, and it wasn't slow or sluggish, it was actually very intuitive.

[@B8BBB8B88BB8]

@@Billy-bc8pk As someone who played both Backbreaker games growing up, this is true, and the game is still ahead of its time... but the controls were absolutely garbage and the camera angle was way too narrow

[@seaniveroni5579]

That's why cb25 is the highest selling sports game in history lol

[@alexha2884]

@@Billy-bc8pk but back breaker was physics based and not animation based. So I don’t see ur point. Maybe I didn’t make my point clear or u don’t understand

[@alexha2884]

@@seaniveroni5579 just cuz something sells doesn’t mean it’s good. There wasn’t a college game in over 10 years so …

[@alexha2884]

I would love a ONE fc game that is focused on Muay Thai and kick boxing.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

One FC and BKFC need games ASAP.

[@dano1307]

they were talking about doing one years ago but never came out

[@alexha2884]

@@dano1307 yeah 😕

[@hectorsthoughts3737]

@@dano1307 it was a mobile game

[@nervouspanic5286]

There's a studio called overhand interactive making a muay thai and boxing game and I think there starting early builds of the game now

[@otgun2024]

UFC Undisputed 3 has been revived with UFC Undisputed Forever, there's a healthy online scene even.

[@sus8159]

It's literally the same old ass game just with skins... lame

[@otgun2024]

@@sus8159 no there are customised stats and soon custom movesets

[@av7809]

I still play it on PS3. I gave the EA versions a chance even tried to convince myself to like them but they’re absolute trash.

[@av7809]

@@sus8159doesn’t matter how old it is. It’s still better than modern versions after all these years and that’s the sad part 😂

[@H_whit99]

@@av7809agreed. I still play it, fight night, ncaa 14

[@khalifa5756]

Amen-I agree with you, Martial Mind. Those of us who love combat video games often feel robbed of what other sports offer their fans. It’s an amazing time to be a UFC fan, for example, but the video games don’t capture the excitement and emotion we experience on Saturday nights.

[@duddysback3780]

Yo def jam being better than any ufc 1-5 is pretty crazy

[@JGMGamer07]

EA sports holds the exclusive license for UFC and Madden hostage for so long and no matter how much people hate the games, doesn’t hurt EA at all, they can put out a poor product and since the UFC and NFL are so popular, it’s going to sell well and that’s all EA needs

[@kjthegamer6401]

EA is known for making decent games but never really give players anything new that’s drastic or groundbreaking unless they are losing money

[@TreyParker318]

You know I actually forgot that whole deal with EA doing that EA MMA game with Randy and Fedor on the cover. Which ended up having a part in Dana and Randy Coutures fallout. The man is a hall of famer and is banned for life from ufc events. Even when his son fought. So Thanks EA! Lol

[@MartialMind]

@@TreyParker318 Wild set of events isn’t it? SMH

[@fxg4merr]

EA needs to implement the Undisputed 3 grappling style, then bring back the UFC 2 striking.

[@mr.twenty-ten6319]

@@7evongregoryufc 2 striking was amazing. Only thing that was bad were parrys.

[@RachidPardoTV]

YESS!!!

[@flipperful]

UFC 2 striking was ridiculously cartoonish and unrealistic

[@flipperful]

@@mr.twenty-ten6319parrying is literally the only thing that UFC 2 striking did correctly everything else was unrealistic

[@RachidPardoTV]

@@flipperful just how I liked it. It doesn’t need to be realistic it needs to be fun.

[@vespaman101]

Undisputed 3 is the GOAT of mma sims

[@jonvon2044]

The fact that the tattoos in character creation on ufc5 are the same from the first fight night boxing game except every ufc version until now only removed more tattoos for every newer version is an exact representation to how little they care. It’s all about how can me make the most money possible while putting in the least amount of effort possible. They even stopped voice chat after ufc 3. It’s very frustrating and almost infuriating tbh.

[@itspeanutt]

We waited a while for this game not to be fully developed to the highest standard

[@Thehiddenleafsaiyan]

I hope THQ makes a come back even if they make an ONE championship game or something it doesn’t matter. They made the best UFC/MMA game in undisputed 3 🐐

[@James_k59psn]

They need someone like you helping out though. Someone who has played lots of previous combat games, and has trained in martial arts and can help to float new ideas and point out potential flaws that these companies may not be aware of. If ONE championship for example had a game made with your help and the right developers. We could truly have something unbelievable. An all in one grappling, striking sports like kickboxing, and mma in a cage or ring. All of these in one game would easily make the best combat sports game ever. Add in the athletic specimens that are over there and you got a tremendously fun and enjoyable game.

[@hypershark5644]

When you said that Undisputed sold 1 Mill copies in the first week hurt my soul since i know a GOOD bit of people bought the game BEFORE it came out, but **knew** it was complete shit and pretty much COMPLETELY unfinished, unpolished, and EXTREMELY UNDETAILED without a single doubt in my mind that the Career Mode specifically, which is the ONLY THING I PLAY IN THESE GAMES by the way, is **EXTREMELY UNDETAILED** and a COMPLETE rework needs to be done, along with just **PURE** set of hyper focused devs at this point to just work on CUSTOMIZATION for the fucking character... I say this cause its just really annoying that in some weight classes you can't be "tall", but it MOSTLY pisses me off is of course the Reach, or the Wingspan, it should NOT just be adjustable by just **AN INCH**, it should at LEAST be 10 inches or even 11 inches at MAX for any one person to choose what they would want...

[@carloslpintos7751]

man, I don’t get what happened with Undisputed. It had everything to be a great game, and they ruined it. I know making a boxing game can’t be easy, but seriously, it’s worse to sell fighter packs and charge for that when the game isn’t even finished or polished. It’s like they’re trying to turn everyone against them and make as much money as possible before people get tired of it.

[@AverageToBad]

It's sad that it's always feel like EA are giving you half a game to begin with when we have great devs out there ready to cram a game full of everything you can think of. I know its a business, but they know they can do more and we'll buy it anyway. I know it's from left field but I want some more features for career mode. Not only would it help newplayers want to buy the game with not just the same old click through menues- spar - fight over and over. I was hoping undisputed would be the one but after two long careers in it I'm basically done with it. Wish I could just go find my disk of fight night champions. That's what started it for me.

[@tylerhuffman3866]

I really like the last couple videos man, the last one about how martial arts ruined gaming for you hit home in so many of the same ways. I like the videos where you speak on things like this just the same as your gaming content, keep going bro

[@natetwiss8184]

One FC video game would be insane

[@JackMcCrack10]

No it wouldn't lol

[@oomshaka6683]

It would be insane but they need to remove the MMA scene and just keep BJJ and Muay Thai

[@Jalx-n]

i just wish ufc 5 had other game modes like Pride fc or Muay Thai People only get on the game to play online. that's the problem.

[@MrSERYOGA]

You got kickboxing

[@Jalx-n]

@MrSERYOGA I'm talking about the arena

[@MrSERYOGA]

@Jalx-n The Kumite Arena is pretty dope

[@jeffertonalive8536]

They just added Stand and Bang in ranked online, I still wish they'd add Pride again someday

[@nervouspanic5286]

They literally promised us a pride mode like 2 weeks after launch they said it would be coming at some point and everyone forgot about it after like 2 months

[@TreyParker318]

Wonder if you could reach out to the old undisputed 3 developers and do an interview. Would be really interesting to pick their brain.

[@oomshaka6683]

They probably wouldn't have anything interesting to say

[@m3ttleheart125]

9:48 all my head was saying here was “You should’ve shown Def Jam Fight For New York 😭” but I’m glad it was mentioned at all(boxing sims and def jam)

[@luckyno511]

3:57 you forgot lawn mowing and goat simulator

[@michaellopez1068]

Just bring back ufc 2 striking, ragdoll, custom fighters like u can have the scan face of michael jordan with the perks that u want and stats that u want, ufc 3 head movement and grapling. thats the main thing then u can add new things

[@TreyParker318]

It would be really cool if someone got in Dana's ear and told him the ufc games arent actually sim. 😅 Could you imagine if Dana was passionate and fired up about fixing the game, how much money and resources he could put into it? That aint happenin tho.

[@Luka-vl3wj]

Frankly, you will NEVER be able to make a MMA game 100% realistic. It’s way too complicated, as you’ve stated yourself, to make a simulation. You can’t make the hand fighting and position fighting realistic when you only have two sticks and a few buttons to work with. Just make a good game, make it look believable and add some realism. THQ did that shit perfectly.

[@Weareinasimulation-l4x]

Hey martial I have a request can you ask the people at EA to bring UFC 5 to PC? The PC community would greatly appreciate it if you can put in a word for us thank you brother!!!

[@JoeRoganDoesDMT]

Bro if they actually release it to PC that would be insane I hope Martial can put a word out there for us if he has connections with EA!!!

[@Billy-bc8pk]

lol they would probably never do it. Modders would fix it and make people realise how much EA isn't doing with the series.

[@Weareinasimulation-l4x]

@@Billy-bc8pk True only one can hope…

[@roxas5234]

@@Billy-bc8pkthis guy is spot on

[@lewisreid8975]

You can always play it on Xbox pc game pass, not sure if it’s on there but it allows you to purchase a game on Xbox and stream it to the pc using game pass. (Can install the game to the pc too usually). Not ideal but a way to play the game

[@henning14]

So true💯. I would love to see a realistic Muay Thai game with also Golden Era-fighters, but that’s way more niche than a boxing or MMA 🥲. These sports are so complex.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

I've realized how much I miss having Wacky sports games, Xtreme sports games, Pure over the top insanity type video games! Can we PLEASE bring this stuff back! I miss how unique gaming was thru 90's-00's. Those games are amazing & beautiful even tho it was before ray tracing & 4k resolution was a thing. Did they forget how successful baked in lighting effects were? Have they forgot about physics effects, rag doll effects, using creative art styles, creating satisfying movement, finding intriguing gameplay mechanics, responsive damage effects and interactive environments. Having a game with a variety of different gameplay modes. Current games are way too focused on the wrong stuff and they forget they're making a game that is supposed to be fun & appealing. Did the industry just forget what fun & visually appealing is? I hope we will someday see some kind of Tech advancement that specializes in improving the way a Graphics Card will render out each frame & improving the ways the CPU gets utilized. Currently we are seeing a ton of improvements in our hardware BUT it seems like we are failing when it comes to software & our abilities to utilize our hardware to its fullest potential.. Such as inefficiencies in the realm of rendering prioritization, processing efficiency, finding and fixing code in order to optimize video games, or physics effects & simulation models. I hope will see a massive improvement in the ways video games can be made. I swear that since game development is so unintuitive that it restricts who gets to actually work on games. All of this really limits the amount of developers who were already naturally creative and gifted artists..

[@chopcheesekim]

its great that you brought this up because i wanted you to look into virtual fighter 6 coming out soon

[@UndercoverJones]

Like almost every game on earth that has something to do with sports once money got involved things went downhill

[@justinkrall1438]

These types of games have very little competition between each other and that hurts the subgenre enormously.

[@thekidfromthesouthside]

Couldn’t agree with you more. Everything you just said and said perfectly is why the 90s and 2000s era of sports games are still the golden era. We had so many choices, and competition to represent the sports that we love. It’s sad that production cost makes the developers nervous to invest in these titles the way they require. So we get one title every few years and everything else is subpar or what if

[@deepoi5754]

I wish we would get a really good vr mixed martial arts game

[@H_whit99]

My friends who just want a game they can play don’t understand how much better it could be. One day we will get a game like we’ve never seen. Don’t give up hope.

[@jmiyagi12345]

People would find a way to crap on it. You might not, because it meets the criteria you’re looking for (your version of “a game they can play”), but short of RDR2 not sure I have seen a game that is universally beloved. Even games that were considered great now get crapped on (GTA, Skyrim).

[@lilsly3015]

Just give me ea ufc 2 back man

[@alexha2884]

Facts I loved the striking

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@alexha2884 Making a boxing-only character was super super fun. Having to force the stand-up and give good wrestling defence made it such a fun experience.

[@xFINISHxHIMx]

We were at a good state with UFC 2. It was dangerous in grappling, clinch and ground. Every ground guy has had a different style or trick you needed to solve. The danger mount was just great. Best ever. MMAfros stacked guard for example. Strikers were versitile, Everyone used his own style even tho it was cheese sometimes. Free Combos instead of these pre set ones made that possible. The lack of game modes in the last UFC 3 games is just a joke. No Innovation since UFC 3. Okay the new sub system from 5 should be go, cant tell havent played it. Bottom line, bad decisions were made, but thats nothing new in the gaming industry. I need a MMA game.

[@DexsoCurry]

FACTS GREATEST UFC EVER

[@xFINISHxHIMx]

@DexsoCurry 2nd greatest. UNDISPUTED 3 has still been untouchable for every newer console which is a joke in itself tbh. We talking Ps3 here... were at the end of 5 almost lmfao.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@xFINISHxHIMx I bought EA Sports UFC 2 for the PS4 and had a ton of fun with it. It was good enough for what it was but could have used a ton of improvements. I was originally excited for UFC 3 and 4 but found out that they actually REMOVED features from UFC 2... I was like, "What?!? Why?!?!" and from then on it was typical EA shenanigans with milking the franchise and doing the bare minimum.

[@The.Great3st]

Ufc 2 is shit, ufc undisputed even worse

[@xFINISHxHIMx]

@The.Great3st Thanks for your input. Nobody cares. Lol

[@420bitez]

A one championship game would be amazing with the setting to to mma rounds and kickboxing rounds and pure grappling matches!

[@dennismora08]

Video felt like a present today 🎉🥳

[@raythagawd2701]

I love these types of videos 🔥

[@wizdom7203]

Thanks for this vid Martial. Appreciated. ✊

[@POWERHOUSEFiteClub]

Tbh to me undisputed 3 was peak like it’s An amazing mma sim all it would need is a few more modern things added to the move sets and you’re done , seriously if it could be done so well in 2012 then wtf is the issue lol

[@NoUser49]

You said it best at the end, another organization needs to make a mma game and give the ufc steeper competition in the video game industry

[@adrudds]

Sounds like it’d be best to have a ‘one championship’ game, because they separate fighting styles it’d be easier to develop.

[@luquitaruiz]

Love this videos, man! It brings me to this thought and I would love to discuss it with you: honestly I don't think realism and pure simulation are the solution for EA Sports UFC games. So many times we the players ask for realistic games but I think we're choosing our words wrong. Do the ppl really want to play a game when a single mistake maybe at 5 seconds of the fight would put you completely out? And then you have to go back to the lobby and wait searching for another match? Because that's MMA in real life. I think EA Sports is not that far to be as good as we want. The game mechanics are good, the stamina, the vulnerability system, the damage, the feints, the combos. I think what the next game REALLY needs is a new face. A fresh air. Something that really separates UFC 6 from UFC 5, 4, 3, etc. And, to me, that's new authentic animations for each fighter. Imagine this game, this same UFC 5, but every fighter feels like they are actually themselves. The game would feel A LOT more fresh, authentic and new. Everyone would love to use their favorite fighter because it would feel like you're really using him. I think that's what they need to achieve, that's gotta be the goal. Personally I'm ok with almost everything else, even when I'm not a good player at all hahaha. I would love to know what do you think, brother. Hope you're doing good.

[@CensorTube84]

UFC fans will have the same issue as Football fans. EA has the rights, therefore no competition, you’ll pretty much get the same game every release. I like FNC but I don’t want EA getting all the rights to another sport…if they do, I won’t buy it because I know exactly what’s gonna happen.

[@SVG-WAR]

We are tired of the archetypes! We have the same archetypes for more than 5 years! Get rid of it and open Online Career Mode CAF Build for Friendly Spars! Please EA! We as CAF Community wants this badly! We didn't ask much just open OCM CAF Build for Friendly spars PLEASE! Let us enjoy the game properly! I see only + for the game if OCM Build is open for friendly spars! - People going to buy more from the store - Regular players going to play more CAF - More Content - CAF COMMUNITY IS BACK ALIVE! Don't underestimate the community. The Community is bigger than EA thinks!

[@boyanuzunov5407]

The most important thing is there is a deman which is very important.Ea needs do realiza that people are expecting something better.

[@JalexMMA]

This is a banger I wish the right person would listen to this video and put if into action

[@Billy-bc8pk]

That new Virtua Fighter seems to capture the kind of simulation martial arts that I have always wanted. Definitely seems like something you might enjoy, as it is literally about the technical, sim-aspects of martial arts. If it plays as well as that concept video looks, it will completely bury games like EA Sports UFC for good.

[@rochahouse4883]

4:08 Theres a few K-1 kickboxing games for the ps2. I recently started emulating k-1 world grand prix 2006 on ps2. The graphics and controls are very fun and its easy to get into. Only downside is that its a japanese game but theres enough english in the game to navigate around successfully. Edit: Also have been playing this BJJ mobile game called BEJJ. Its a card game system sort of like mma federation (if you ever played that). In the end its a mobile game but it scratches the BJJ itch..somewhat.

[@TheFenick-]

wrestling is somewhat well implemented in SF and Tekken. However in order to really make a simulation purely on wrestling or anything within the same field... would be extremely difficult. Imagine Def Jam makes a comeback and some of their wrestling moves..is just a little bit more dramatic but cool to see? I think that will help

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Not really, look at Virtua Pro Wrestling 2, that game had an amazing greco wrestling/puroresu/BJJ system based on the old Pancras rules. I looooooved that game. It was one of the few games that did submission wrestling right and the moves looked good and felt good to lock in. You can definitely do it, but most studios just don't.

[@TheFenick-]

@@Billy-bc8pk damn i have never played that game or heard it. Maybe Virtua Pro Wrestling 2 can be of some inspiration to developers for a wrestling game.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@TheFenick- Yeah the basis of it was used for AKI's WCW/WWF games but with the sim aspects pared way down and the Pride/Pancras rules removed. Gamers have been craving for a more updated version for decades. Man, what I would give for a Virtua Pro Wrestling 3.

[@semicki135]

I believe Henry is one of the EA ufc youtubers that is “closer” with EA. I think if they’ll listen to anyone it’ll be Henry. Glad to see these types of videos and hopefully EA can slowly start improving their ufc games because these games have so much potential one can’t even imagine. I don’t know how hard their job is so I can’t say they can just do this for certain but for example why do we have to wait 2 entire weeks for them to update the game after a fight week. Like c’mon man just change their stats and put it in the game 2 days after. I don’t want to sound nerdy but even with how the game is currently, every time i’m out i just can’t wait to get home and hop on because i really enjoy the game. If they’ll listen and started changing shit i’d be a fucking sweat buying everything if there’s actually something special to it

[@ecrogaming2036]

Everyone back on ufc4 is wat I like to see

[@joshuahackney7222]

I wasn't even a fan of MMA until I bought UFC Undisputed 3. That made me a fan, and I've followed it since.

[@Luxurynino]

They ruined UFC 5 when they made the whole game centered around making it all about stand up . And taking away parrys which brought balance this game feels boring . People just back up the fight & have to go through hoops & ladders to grapple .

[@PollyTheRusian]

I feel like all the need to do is remaster

[@JinkyBodavil]

A realistic UFC game that’s super unforgiving, but extremely rewarding at the same time Im saying a single flush hook or a straight can put u down or away Super high stakes how it is in real life Think of it as, counter strike compared to call of duty UFC is call of duty right now, I want it to be more like counterstrike There’s half sword playtest on steam that is basically nailing the physics based system right now UFC NEEDS SOMETHING SIMILAR, ufc needs that transition from call of duty to counterstrike or r6

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Wouldn't it be better if it were like Squad or Ready or Not in terms of seriousness and realism?

[@JinkyBodavil]

@@Billy-bc8pk that is exactly what I mean I used counter strike and r6 as examples just because those are the games I’ve been playing for a while But yes, precisely like that

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@JinkyBodavil Right there with you. Ha, I would love the fighting game equivalent of Escape from Tarkov. Could you imagine one punch to the chin and the whole match just ends? You're out, and your career is over due to a concussion. But it's so detailed you can literally train the tendons in your wrist for better shock recoil when you land a punch. Just super hardcore fight-sim mechanics. That would be crazy (I would be absolute trash at a game like that, but I would watch channels like MartialMind non-stop to see how far he could get in career/online competitions with those kinds of physics/challenges).

[@trystanspencer6076]

My main problem with ufc 5 isn’t the “realism”. It’s the abuse that COMES with the realism that I have a problem with. And let’s be honest, the stamina drain feature in the ground makes 0 sense because how is somebody I have in a armbar gonna be draining MY stamina. There’s gotta be someway to keep the game realistic without allowing the abuse of the mechanics

[@lewisreid8975]

Have you ever attacked an armbar with 100% intensity? It definitely drains your stamina irl… why wouldn’t it in the game?

[@JohnSmith-fx2mz]

That's unfortunate I would like to see what Capcom Bandai, Tecmo etc. could do with the license. Even if it was Just Street Fighter/Tekken with a more expanded grappling system. It could be how NBA JAM, NFL BLITZ were back in the day.

[@shoaquem]

Bro's built like Zion Williamson 😂 Much love

[@DanijelDalmacija-x9j]

It's not just MMA, it's pretty much all sports video games are on the decline, there hasn't been a good hockey game since 2010.

[@flojo_official7165]

EA had a good game model for ufc fans. They went away from it to appeal to "wider audience" and its back fired so hard. They legit could have had the next tekken or street fighter on there hands

[@Bzzy225]

Ballator did have a game back in the ps3 days. It was kinda like an arcade fighter but it was pretty cool. Michael Chandler is op in that game

[@SageHeru]

Fight Night Champion is the perfect mix too. Take away the cheaters and spammers, when played correctly it's epic!

[@newstepdad4103]

bro there is no mma game better than undisputed 3 & im so glad i got to experience it i just wish i still had my 360.. still have the disk & all

[@jinpachichulo7561]

I play fighting games and the answer is pretty simple: UFC / Boxing games have zero replay value. All cages / rings look the same. All fighters fight the same. It's just too limited to be fun. Now if we had them fighting in random places like outside the bus where McGregor and Khabib fought while having McGregor dressed in a suit then we might have something. Realism defeats the purpose of playing a game. And i like both games and MMA.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Realism does not defeat the purpose of a game. DCS World for example, the realism is the purpose. You can do unrealistic scenarios in the editor, but the point of the game is the fantasy of flying a real aircraft rather than Ace Combat UFO physics.

[@jinpachichulo7561]

@ChucksSEADnDEAD nah. Realism defeats the purpose of the game. Otherwise all or most games would try to be realistic. It's about having fun not fantasy orgies.

[@JoshuaIbarra074]

UFC 2 striking was the best with fluidity and animations and UFC 3 did an awesome job with adding weight to shots. The Parries MUST come back. If you don’t like parries it prob means ur timing is dog shit. It can be exploited by using feints. Maybe adding that risk factor system implemented in UFC 3 after whiffs. Every other UFC is complete ass. And KO animations need improvement.

[@ChessDocumentaries]

One would think that PFL, Bellator or ONE FC commissioning a studio to make a video game for them would be low hanging fruit, but apparently the executives are brain dead and bereft of ideas. Instead they rather UFC enjoy its monopoly.

[@carloslpintos7751]

Honestly, I really liked UFC 5 because it feels more realistic than UFC 4, which I was tired of since there were things that broke the immersion for me and the shitty grappling system. I feel they did a good job with UFC 5 (grappling is still meh but is better at least can survive the majority of times). However, I understand why people might look back and see Undisputed 3 as more realistic-it happens to me too, and I don’t fully understand why, since I’ve never played it. I just know it looks more like what I see on PPVs. The fact that people are leaning toward older games makes me think that maybe EA should implement some of those elements in the next UFC game. What worries me is the possibility of them making it more arcade-like. Personally, I really prefer the realism, and I think there are moments in UFC 5 where I can feel immersed. Maybe I’m just not that demanding and fully enjoy a game about something I love and practice. I hope UFC 6 includes more details like Undisputed had, along with a universe mode or something that keeps us playing longer, not just the online mode. EA has so much potential in their hands, and I don’t understand why they don’t make the most of it. They could even add better entrance animations or presentations-something I’m sure wouldn’t cost them much, and other games do it well. I really hope a new company comes along to compete with EA so they put more effort into their games.

[@BiggestChungus21]

Couple of things: 1. It competes for some reason with actual fighting games, and if you play fighting games? These games feel clunky and unresponsive as hell. 2. There are stylistic combat games. It's one of the most popular genres of game, fighting games. Also maybe Absolver, the Sifu before Sifu. 3. The monopolization of the genre did hurt, and just like the FIFA Franchise, that might kill the game. 4. I know this is unrelated, but try to look into buying a mic pop filter. It was obvious man. 5. Most importantly, hold the devs accountable. Don't buy the game if they're sub par. And I would like to circle this back to fighting games, the devs would have no other course of action but to ADAPT.

[@av7809]

EA ufc feels like you’re fighting under water. Trash

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@av7809 And somehow the animations seem to be getting worse with each new series. How is that possible?

[@jermainemadkins476]

The game doesn’t have to be ultra realistic but it has to at least encapsulate actual martial arts. Right now the game just feels like an ordinary fighting game and not an MMA game.

[@kingkbtv]

Ufc Undisputed 2009 and Undisputed 3 and Fight Night Champion was way a head of there time those were and will always be the lightnings in a bottle perfection games right there.

[@UrTypicalAussie]

If ufc 5 was realistic it would be a lot harder to defend takedowns but I do agree, ea doesn’t need to push boundaries cuz of the lack of competition, ur right bang on the money for that

[@neoconnor4395]

I feel like part of the problem with this genre of game is the licensing fees devs or publishers have to fork over for the IP's linked to the game, leaving little left over for innovation and gameplay. They act like it's a "simulation" when these games don't look real at all. Each character essentially has the same if not same-ish moveset, and it doesn't look "real" or fun at all. Fight Night was the greatest and last legit videogame detailing combat sports. I'm pretty sure much of what Undisputed's budget was spent on was securing the likeness of people like Tyson Fury - to advertise and sell their game - at the expense of everything else. These UFC/Undisputed games totally suck. Why would you play any of this when you could play Street Fighter, Tekken, or Mortal Kombat? There's really no reason when you think about it. I know, because I've tried... These UFC games suck.

[@classicviolence]

The problem is that games like EA Sports MMA and FNC exist. Those games are really good and EA just needs to build on that the whatever they are currently doing. Also Undisputed needs some love for the effort tbqh.

[@thedrcongo7108]

UFC undisputed forever stays on top and custom move sets are being implemented soon so you can make fighters way more unique

[@JinkyBodavil]

Also a game like UFC is limited by how many buttons a controller has It may need its own game pad

[@CALIFORNIAsGAMER]

Nah because imo ufc 2 and 3 are perfect games

[@Y2Jericho161]

Farming and other sims are easier to pick up and play, but I love mma games

[@ScarfaceMMA]

They added tj’s unique evade animation on the alter ego

[@MartialMind]

@@ScarfaceMMA Nice!

[@Weareinasimulation-l4x]

@@MartialMind Hey martial can you ask the people at EA to bring UFC 5 to PC? The PC community would appreciate it if you can put in a word for us

[@THEincredible990]

Can I interest you in more "traditional" fighting games like street fighter 6 or Tekken? 🤔 Although more fantasy like, I think you might find a connection in those games to the mindset needed for combat sports

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

Are they "SIM's" or just arcade fighters with real life names attached.

[@love6ic202]

It’s why tekken is so fun to me 🤷🏽‍♂️ might have a steep learning curve but the movement and fighting styles are realistic enough and arcadish enough to do it for me 💯 hope these companies see we’re tired of over realistic sims cause they become more and more about what animation you get (especially 2k & madden) not to mention rng.. we need a street style combat game (not street fighter lmao)

[@Raamon-]

The most realistic and fluid UFC game ever created was UFC 3. Ever since that EA has been choppy and dead.

[@CVLabfam]

My favorite non sim boxing game was VICTORIOUS BOXERS on the Dreamcast💪🏿💪🏿!!! it reminds me of a Japanese anime version of a boxing game🔥🔥🔥

[@ArthurGonzorelli]

It is lol that’s the Hajime No Ippo boxing game

[@midnightmower69]

Sim games suck because if I wanted a simulation experience I’d rather do it irl.

[@incognito3698]

Why actually make a good game that people will play for as long as they can when I could just release a half baked piece of shit thats just good enough to keep them coming back for the next one every year? Why cure cancer if I can make triple the money treating it over the course of years? Why build our cars to last as long as possible when we can guarantee that customers will need a new car in just 4 years? Why build an iPhone to last 5+ years when I could make one last 2 years and guarantee that people will buy my brand new yearly iPhone release? Why make the two best boxers in the world fight twice for tens of millions of dollars a fight when I can make both of those fighters fight lesser competition multiple times a year for many years and make hundreds of millions of dollars from both every year? Do you guys see the trend here? These companies made their money, thats all they wanted. Fan base be damned.

[@jeromejohnson5135]

Simulation fighting game fans 🤝🏾 Simulation football fans

[@dadgamertv84]

What happened to the games that had “Arcade Mode”. These game developers are snorting the hot new thing. Narrative developers think we want 100 hour open world games. Sport developers think we want the most realistic simulation of the sport we like. JUST. MAKE. GOOD. GAMES. They make these games so sophisticated to justify the price of $70. when in reality, a game that WORKS and is fun to play is well worth $70. Also, the easy button for developers is shipping a broken game and telling us to wait for patches to make it slightly more enjoyable but still broken is NOT IT for building good rep-ore with the consumer.

[@jmiyagi12345]

100% - there’s a place for those 100 hour open world games but if every game is that, I only need one game. As for football games, I enjoyed CFB more than Madden. The 80% completion rate for the AI out of the box was absurd, especially when CFB didn’t have it. And yeah, my biggest gripe is “we’ll just patch it.” Yeah, if it’s game breaking, do it. But don’t keep patching stuff - release it less often and ship a complete game.

[@POETICDRINK2U]

Facts about fans not helping Undisputed by over hyping what it is.

[@icouldnotthinkofaname3416]

I wish we could go back to goofy arcade like sports games

[@joshhart8927]

Def jam is one of my favorite games I wish they’d bring back on current gen consoles. And blitz the league. Amazing games

[@seaniveroni5579]

Yes it was..loved that game

[@chosenking9594]

If Bellator and one championship made a mma game It will make ea step their game up and It will be good for the combat sports gaming Community I also won't mind seeing a glory Kickboxing game

[@aswad6535]

We need a pfl Game

[@edscoobalis3791]

How is it dead I was just playing and I had no problem tv getting fights

[@trystanspencer6076]

I also feel like the stats need to mean more. If I’m DC, I don’t care how good you are, you shouldn’t be able to out grapple me with somebody like Rakic. It’s just not realistic. There’s to many small mechanics in the ground game that get abused and it makes it not fun whatsoever

[@gjergjaurelius9798]

K1 had a few games back I. The day and they played great. Right in between arcade and sim gameplay. Those k1 titles are on psone and ps2. Check em out!

[@chopcheesekim]

all fighting games are niche genre and tho these games arent traditional fighting games they fall into the sub category i think if you look into virtual fighter 6 youll see its the most realistic fighting game on the market and it hasn’t come out yet

[@DREmcquarn]

Just remaster fight night champion with a updated roster and arenas make a online game where we get constant updates and a new story mode simple.