Martin Amis: Comparing Stalin & Hitler [CC]

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Chicago Humanities Festival

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@kamuelalee Жыл бұрын

Comparing the two: Hitler was a monstrous murderer; Stalin was a monstrous, monstrous murderer.

@JK-br1mu 8 ай бұрын

No need for either to have an additional monstrous over the other.

@Arjmm 6 ай бұрын

Don't forgot to include Churchill.

@ShaneBermingham616 2 жыл бұрын

Lots of silly assumptions here

@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 3 жыл бұрын

If you killed your kid and ate them to survive. Then you didn't survive. There is no way someone is coming back from that

@atothetop3779 2 жыл бұрын

Then you don’t know what starvation is like

@DannyBoy777777 2 жыл бұрын

You're not very good at logic. By definition, you'd survive. For a while.

@alanbeck7093 Жыл бұрын

@@DannyBoy777777 Insane.

@jedaaa Жыл бұрын

If you knew the child wasn't possibly going to survive but you might .... Heard similar stories in Stallingrad where on finding a frozen to death infant child some mother's would secretly feed the dead kid to their surviving kid/s in a stew or something

@jedaaa Жыл бұрын

@Vlad65WFPReviews Жыл бұрын

Having parents who survived the Ukrainian famine, which included cannibalism and many horrors, hearing a privileged Westerner saying Stalin "had to do it" is, frankly, revolting

@vaclavmiller8032 Жыл бұрын

I don't think you're quite catching his meaning. What he means is that any seriously communist leader of the Soviet Union would have done the same evil as Stalin, not that he "had" to do it in some justificatory sense. Amis was opposed to the whole project.

@BonnChnd Жыл бұрын

And that privileged man’s relatives fought against the Germans in two World Wars.

@13olibrown 8 ай бұрын

You mistake his meaning. He means someone with the ideological commitments of Stalin would ‘have to do’ what he did, not that it was morally necessary for any sane person.

@thesolarengineer 7 ай бұрын

Your anger should be squarely focused on your invidious 'brothers' in Russia who have dearly loved Ukrainians and their quest for independence over the last 400 years. You were all better off under the Poles but were too dumb to see it.

@sagarm4983 7 жыл бұрын

Stalin is understandable? I do not understand a man who forced his loyal and close comrades into false confessions at courts and the destroy them. Even harder is to understand that he destroyed the best and brightest of his country - army officers, scientists, engineers, writers and artists - to such an extend that Russia found it hard to defeat even a small Finland. Stalin had 10 million Ukrainians starve to death, 2 million shot during the purge and jailed 20 million in Gulags of Siberia and Arctic (out of a total Soviet population of 200 million) and you find this also normal?

@charliemorris2338 4 жыл бұрын

Trump

@andyok3625 4 жыл бұрын

It is logical if you are paranoid and power hungry. I think the suggestion is that Hitler's antisemitism is less logical because its application furthered his defeat and removal from power. I think he has a point. There were a lot of other Jew haters of course but he seemed to make a special study of all the whacky conspiracy theories and he let it undermine his strategic advantage.

@patrickt.2136 4 жыл бұрын

The comparison is essentially about sexuality.

@Conejo147 2 жыл бұрын

@@charliemorris2338 troll. Trump is nothing like stalin or Hitler. Geez talk about reaching

@jakebarnes28 Жыл бұрын

You can't understand much.

@markstanton63 8 жыл бұрын

Who's to say that Hitler didn't have perfectly normal sexual tastes (remember them?). He could well have been quite a romantic old fool for all we know.

@coreycox2345 Жыл бұрын

Vaguely, Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond.

@kamuelalee Жыл бұрын

Aka, the Adolph of Amare

@jakebarnes28 Жыл бұрын

We know you're a twit.

@robertwilliams-mv9ok Жыл бұрын

I assume he is drunk. This is complete nonsense.

@Arjmm 6 ай бұрын

It's quite interesting that somehow Stalin is rightfully held accountable for his crime despite fighting Nazis but somehow Churchill doing the same things Stalin did is somehow hailed as a hero.

@Camel76 8 жыл бұрын

The Greatest Story Never Told

@samuelkovac1008 3 жыл бұрын

Czechoslovakia part is lie.

@ge0rgeharris218 2 жыл бұрын

Novelists make poor historians and opinion is not knowledge and never will be!!!

@jaykay6387 Жыл бұрын

He's obviously erudite and witty but has no bloody idea what he's talking about.

@jedaaa Жыл бұрын

He said it was his personal hunch, not historical fact . Calm down .

@jaykay6387 Жыл бұрын

@@jedaaa Calm down? Here's an idea, why don't you calm down?

@kamuelalee Жыл бұрын

Only artistic license and a bit of truth

@ge0rgeharris218 Жыл бұрын

@@kamuelalee It goes much deeper than that and can't be explicated in E-MAIL type messages!

@lsobrien 8 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure Howard Stern's new hair colour does anything for him.

@JackKlumpass Жыл бұрын

That’s not Stern, that’s John Cooper Clarke!

@kamuelalee Жыл бұрын

Andrea Martin

@capnskiddies Жыл бұрын

This comment is criminally underrated.

@MUFFINHEAD1985 8 ай бұрын

pahahahahahhahhahahhaha Howard Stern has let himself go

@luciferdzhugashvili Жыл бұрын

What the HELL is he talking about?

@hunter23138 Жыл бұрын

At what point does he lose you? Is it when he says something complex?

@bradleybarnett9545 Жыл бұрын

He's talking about the humanity of monsters. Or is it the monstrosity of humans?

@jakebarnes28 Жыл бұрын

@@bradleybarnett9545The Banality of Evil - Hannah Arendt. Try harder. Sheesh.

@bradleybarnett9545 Жыл бұрын

Show some originality, people. Play with the words. Don't just name-drop the titles of books you've never read.

@markjones464 Жыл бұрын

What he Talking about ? , a lot of Crap , that ten minutes I cannot get Back !!!!

@solb101 Жыл бұрын

Amis actually imagined Hitler having sex and he probably got aroused.

@JackKlumpass Жыл бұрын

Makes a change from him perving over the peasantry

@civilizationandbeer Жыл бұрын

and now you have too, Miles.

@solb101 Жыл бұрын

@@civilizationandbeer You haven’t? Must be beer dick.

@danielgreene6480 6 ай бұрын

Forget the political philosophy. Both were dictators who killed.their opposition a d both wanted world domination. Both stressed being a part of the country and puttimg it first whether you call it the motherland or fatherland. One ran all the commerece while one regulated all the commerce. Both claimed a love for commoners while livinv and flaunting a life of excess in all aspects.

@gregzeng 9 жыл бұрын

Hitler's sexuality seems within the boundaries of normal human sexuality to me. Obsessive- compulsives can be very narrowly focussed that other "normal" interests are ignored. Having a non- human companion of any sexuality is okay also,

@charliemorris2338 4 жыл бұрын

He had mommie issues as did Norman Bates.

@chadwilliams9141 3 жыл бұрын

@Juicy Extra Clean yeah wtf?

@MattSingh1 Жыл бұрын

*This brief three-sentence statement managed to fall off a cliff with the it's last sentence.*

@keithschwartz5723 Жыл бұрын

You are a trolling brown shoes wearing super perv or a trolling BS artist.

@MUFFINHEAD1985 8 ай бұрын

Hitler's sex life is probably so normal

@stephensharp3033 10 ай бұрын

It sounds glib.

@markfrancis4384 Жыл бұрын

who could understand ( I can't) running through the wholesale, class divided slaughter of the first War and what it could do to one. yea, the guy was bad ... and ?

@nautika1 3 ай бұрын

compare to Stalin is very hard i think only Temujin or Timur

@sagarm4983 7 жыл бұрын

Intellectuals are so much concerned about human life and dignity. But why are they completely indifferent to the fact that Marxism is an ideology which attach scant regard for these? Do not these intellectuals feel ashamed when they justify Marxist atrocities? When Stalin kill, it is matter of ideological necessity. But if Hitler kills then it is atrocity! If one can consider Marxism as an ideology, then what prevents one from recognizing that Nazism is also an ideology? Stalin exterminated peasantry using famine to further his ideological goal. Hitler exterminated Jews to attain his ideological goal also. But why is it that our left leaning intellectuals refuse to see that it was millions of innocents who had caused none any trouble who were ill treated and murdered? - be they victims of Hitler or Stalin Communism is filth. Anyone who have taken pain to read Marx would be struck by the fact that he is a deluded person with non sensical destructive ideas. How could anyone see sense in Marxian claims that State will whither away and that humans will one day live in live sharing and caring for all times to come! Does this not betray a complete disregard for human nature? It is a matter of surprise that millions of fools, for over hundred years, around the world, fell for Marx's rhetoric which had no root in human reality. I do not understand why intellectuals like Amis show the courage to tell the plain truth that Marxism is non-sense and those who found it attractive are either fools or criminal elements. And history have shown it again and again that Marxists are essentially a bunch of criminals who use veneer of an ideology. Do you doubt my claim? Then please note the fact that Marxists never came to power with support of majority and also --- do note that Marxists cannot rule without secret police, prison camp, mass murder and slave labor.

@fabesey2016 7 жыл бұрын

That isn't what he said, and he isn't apologising for communism, and certainly not Stalin. He said the cruelty of the Holodomor (the mass starvation of ukrainian peasants) was comparable to the holocaust. What he was arguing was that Stalin's actions are consistent with the ideological goals he wanted to acheive. Hitler's goals, by contrast, were always kind of vague and fuzzy. Both because hitler himself was physically and mentally decaying and often drugged up to the eyeballs, and because naziism as an ideology is far more incoherent than communism, and hence that his actions became increasingly irrational to the point of utter insanity at the end, when he tried to order the destruction of Germany itself out of spite.

@alanbeck7093 Жыл бұрын

You'll be relieved there is much less Communism and don't need to polemicise at length. Keep an eye on the Nazism, but.

@john.premose Жыл бұрын

Marxism has nothing to do with any atrocities, you embarassing, brainless old woman.

@john.premose Жыл бұрын

@@fabesey2016 no they are not consistent with the ideals he wanted to achieve. Amis, just like you, is a blind addict of western fantasy propaganda.

@tomfilipiak3511 Жыл бұрын

@sagarm4983 I rad your post,I know it was 6 years ago,but you hit the nail on the head on Marxism,and for that comment about Nazism,you were spot on!Having lost relatives,to both the Marxist,and the Nazis,horrible people!Old Polish,and eastern Slavic person!