Martin Shaw & Mark Vernon talk about the new interest in Christianity and where it might be headed

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@thethomasraymond 10 күн бұрын

“Nothing less than the All can satisfy us” what a profound effect that idea has had on me. What a great antidote this conversation is to the political storm outside our window. I am very moved by it all.

@annabelsalomonsz3591 29 күн бұрын

I really appreciate this conversation. So much of what you discuss are situations I have encountered as a returning Christian within the mystic wing of the wider Church. So absolutely heartwarming to hear this conversation. Thank you.

@taracox3857 27 күн бұрын

And this is the best conversation I’ve heard on the internet this year and I’ve listened to a lot in my search. Great love to you both.

@shari6063 29 күн бұрын

Wonderful conversation. Thank you both. Very grateful for you Martin!

@martinshaw_21 20 күн бұрын

I’m using this medium to appreciate you in particular as a fan of mine and I want you to keep supporting me while I bring more entertainment to your way. Love you ❤️.. feel free to send me a friend request so we can talk better… I will try every possible way to reply you😊

@user-md3yo7ge9b 24 күн бұрын

Brilliant, thank you! This conversation was just the nourishment I needed at the moment.

@traviswadezinn Ай бұрын

Your observations about the potential tension between the mystic and institutional religion, and between the political history of sacred spaces and our experiences within them were well-articulated.

@DM100 Ай бұрын

No tension with Eastern Orthodox Christianity . It never lost the mystery at the foundation of the “mystical” ☦️☦️

@wombwopir2 23 күн бұрын

In each experience of beauty, we glimpse eternity, as the infinite beckons us forth through a guise of finitude into a mode of perception that sees into the eternal core-shimmering and beaming with joyous love.

@DM100 2 күн бұрын

I think the ethnic flavors of Orthdoox Christianity is something to be embraced. I think it’s genuine and beautiful. There is communion between many of the churches. That’s what matters. 🙏🏻☦️

@flow963 Ай бұрын

Great dialogue and synopsis of stirring welling up from the from the abyss of soul washing up on the shores of those returning to Christianity

@nicolagray1437 Ай бұрын

"Everything comes from the encounter" - certain line's of Martin's stay with me. Feeling oddly 'full' and satiated, like the conversation itself somehow nourished me. Thank you both, I'll be back for second helpings. 😊

@martinshaw_21 20 күн бұрын

@nicolagray1437 I’m using this medium to appreciate you in particular as a fan of mine and I want you to keep supporting me while I bring more entertainment to your way. Love you ❤️.. feel free to send me a friend request so we can talk better… I will try every possible way to reply you

@WhiteStoneName Ай бұрын

49:25 - 55:45 what Martin says here is SO GOOD! I feel so similarly.

@shellywilson6868 28 күн бұрын

You both inspire me. Thank you.

@KevinMakins 22 күн бұрын

Oh my God. Martin, 23:06 is an incredible turn. Praise Be.

@taracox3857 27 күн бұрын

You are putting words to what I heard in the music of Universal Hall by the Waterboys. I’ve begun going to an Anglican Church because it’s the closest thing I can find to the mystical that I searched for in Wicca, yoga, etc. But if I really need to feel it in my body I go to Universal Hall.

@martinshaw_21 20 күн бұрын

@andrewbartlett9282 Ай бұрын

Thank you both - really enjoyed this conversation

@malcolmmarionclayton636 Ай бұрын

What a wonderful conversation. Thank you both

@Ang3Mc2050 Ай бұрын

This has been such a helpful conversation for me today. Thankyou!

@ThomasSimmons-u5x Ай бұрын

Pure fireworks of the Spirit 🎇 🎆

@X11bl Ай бұрын

Amazing energy shared. Thanks friends.

@enidsnarb Ай бұрын

Beauty is something unto itself and is definitely not in the eye of the beholder IMHO

@martinshaw_21 20 күн бұрын

@DM100 Ай бұрын

Christ exists outside of time. 2000 years ago is as a day to God. “Difficult love” that Christ calls us too…indeed. ☦️❤️🙏🏻 “Protracted nervous breakdown” reading the words of Christ …right there with you as a catechumen in the Orthodox! church. Ever deepening Humility is no joke.

@WhiteStoneName Ай бұрын

43:28 Not all roads lead to Christ (debatably), but you’ll meet Christ on every road. What you say after Martin here is excellent, Mark.

@willgiorno1740 28 күн бұрын

🙏🙏❤

@kiwitoffee Ай бұрын

Christianity did many things to indigenous people including, in the south Pacific, ending inter-tribal and inter-island warfare, slavery and cannibalism.

@joseph-uq4hn Ай бұрын

Excellent points 👍

@johnsterman77 28 күн бұрын

Some context would be helpful. I’ve never heard of Shaw or his course.

@Observer-g6m Ай бұрын

There must be in the Church a healthy check and balance (tense at times, but also symphonia) between the Desert and the City, monastery and cathedral, ascetical and liturgical, fasting and feasting, sorrow and joy, Cross and Resurrection. They go together…the Passion of the compassionate, co-suffering God who entered our world to unite us to Himself and to summon His “ Kingdom come and will be done on earth as it n heaven.“ This process of transformation and metanoia has been underway now for 2 millennia, a spiritual battle for the world fought in each one’s heart, manifested especially in love (and works of love) of all the saints (at all levels of spiritual maturity) who, paradoxically, prioritize God and “seek first His Kingdom” which is “not of this world.” In Christ, prophet, priest and king are one.

@williamoarlock8634 20 күн бұрын

There's lots of boring people that find interest in boring religion.

@davidbates9358 28 күн бұрын

Dear Martin, does the Devil get into the eyesight of the beholder through the human mind's abstracted sense-of-reality? Does an 'implicit' sense of The Fall in the Genesis account of created consciousness, suffer from history's moralizing interpretation of a story that may be better understood as the lost sense-of-reality inherent in our species-specific invention of thought & spoken language as a 'tool' to aid our survival? Dear Mark, is the vital trick to understanding the great wisdom teacher and the universalizing intent of a crucifixion/resurrection story, an ability to 'feel' our species-specific 'need' to make abstract ideas feel real? Is our 'fallen' sense-of-reality present in every 'look-and-name' idea we psychologically 'project' onto the reality of every 'object' we see, unwittingly conflating the symbolic nature of language with the substantial nature of reality? Is this what Jesus, the Christ meant when he said "they seeing, see not, they hearing, hear not, and neither do they understand?" To which 21st century neuroscience has arguably added "they understand nothing about the internal reality of all the subconscious processes of being human?" Hence Carl Jung's, "until you make the subconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate?"

@joseph-uq4hn Ай бұрын

MV: You speak as though Christianity should be subordinate to me me me (you). Or them them them (Indigenous tribal groups esp) Actually it is WE who are to be subordinate to Christ. I would argue that we have chosen to overlook "the vertical" as you call it, in order to accommodate "the horizontal" (aka "the world") in virtually everything. And there is no end of "horizontals" we can waste our time with! The result of this is the ascendant woke, politically correct, zeitgeist of the last half dozen decades. Leaving us with the very dried up, laboured, tired and perhaps pointless church of our day that you discuss here. It is a return to the rigors of authentic Christian Traditional living that this world desperarely needs. I am delighted to see the young are actually the MOST traditionally-minded demographic among the church today. And the wholesale rejection of wishy-washy feminised liberals whose real religion is the New Age coated in a Christian veneer is their quarry. Praise God! The Church needs men built and formed to lead. It has none currently. As spiritual heads of their families first and then the wider community. And wives that respect their husbands accordingly and mothers who raise their children to look upon their fathers accordingly. This is God's configuration not mans. Until we address the very first of all rebellions ~ nothing will change. Men and women must return to obedience. Or we're done. Currently we have created a church that is completely opposed to God's design. Men who can't or won't be the spiritual heads of their families and restless women rejecting traditional feminine roles and demanding they are spiritual heads of their families.

@MJeeEm-fg8md Күн бұрын

I think your analysis is on point with regards to the church. I find it awful and fascinating that the C of E has tried to ingratiate itself to the world and hasn't even been protective of vulnerable children in the process. Emulating the culture indeed. It's sold its soul and hasn't garnered favour with anyone.

@SacraTessan Ай бұрын

I had to have a serie of 1:19:08 🙏🏼 I had to have a series of dreams that actually just opened that door and from that point onwards for six months … …. particularly concerned with for me and if you want a straight 1:18:03 answer he's not the teacher for you not really he usually walks us around and and does all sorts of things with us and actually as a mythologist as a Storyteller the stories there their very language is sparer harder Stranger Than The fomen that I would get wandering through A Midsummer Night's Dream or through Homer or it doesn't offer me actually it's not like getting into a warm bath I don't sit there it's not the equivalent of sort of puffing on a cigar with a whiskey and a warm bath I'm out in the desert with this strange crow

@Observer-g6m Ай бұрын

@tulganandvaldyavin6930 18 күн бұрын

Excellent comment. I had to write it down in my journal.