Martinsville Shrouded By Controversy & Race Manipulation | Full Team Radio BREAKDOWN

[@fido139]

Obvious manipulation by BOTH Toyota and GM.

[@X_millennial]

They should fine GM and Toyota for race manipulation

[@Takingyoutojail]

Idk Look at Bubba’s in car camera He’s out of the grove, he’s bobbling. It’s very believable he had an issue because the 45 also had an issue that caused him to DNF

[@JohnWick-zl5oc]

the drivers like the #6 car, telemetry data, the radios and video evidence proofs its correct, its was manipulated for many laps.

[@noahg2527]

The Austin Dillon radio is the smoking gun of all of this in my eyes

[@travisallen2442]

@@noahg2527 to play devils advocate, "does the #1 crew chief know the deal?" could just mean "are they aware of the points situation?". Still kinda indicates that there may be foul play, but it's not like they were blatantly saying "were being paid to obstruct traffic"

[@robertcooper440]

Exactly. Hey, Denny Hamlin really gets into this on his podcast

[@ZPaul_]

While I do feel for Bell , it has ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED that if you ride the wall you will get a penalty. It doesn’t matter how you got there or if you advance your position or not. If you’re on the wall and then hit the gas you’re wall riding. That shit is dangerous. Regarding the 1 and the 3 something better come out of this. You can’t just not pass someone, if you’re faster than them GO AROUND THEM!

[@wordlesslfiddling]

Yeah the 1 and 3 deserve to be penalized just like the 41 did Hell I'd say penalize the 24 too like spingate back on the day PUT LARSIN IN THE CHAMP 4 ITS THE ONLY RIGHT ANSWER MASCAR

[@jonbell1617]

Look at what Lason did no penalty

[@bslinner1]

@@wordlesslfiddling24 should only be penalized if they can prove that the command to not pass came from them, if not they are just the beneficiaries of other people’s actions

[@JJPendergrass-pu2sy]

IM GOING TO SAY IF THEY WENT BACK TO THE DALE SR. AND MARK MARTIN ERA OF POINTS THAT WOULD ELIMINATE MOST IF NOT ALL THESE PROBLEMS

[@nathanwichman5114]

Elton clearly hasn’t been on social media. The entire officiating body needs an overhaul. NASCAR is the type of people to see a bush fire and put that out, yet ignore the burning apartment building feet away

[@tonykennedy3593]

The way he asked if the #1 team knew about the "deal" was just wild

[@WithFearGaming]

Both Chevy and Toyota were in race manipulation mode. It's not shady, Wallace was 100% in on it. Wallace, Chastain, and Dillon were all in on it.

[@TheBraydenBunch58]

I miss when manufacturers weren’t pissed about other manufacturers

[@rexthewolf3149]

I doubt they actually are.

[@zachamspacher9804]

Good for you being unbiased media. No one else brings up the inconsistencies from NASCAR not penalizing at HMS car for doing the exact same thing. Another thing nobody talks about enough is the fact that the 48 mysteriously brings out a caution during pit cycles to pin the 20 car a lap down. Then the 24 and 5 stay out so they the 20 can’t wave around. You have to feel bad for Cbell. Without Chevy manipulation none of this happened and the 20 is in the championship 4 fair and square. No need for the “wall ride” or potential 23 car controversy.

[@Goinracing]

do you mean when the 48 dumped the 77 or did the 48 spin out?

[@81casperflip]

In 30 years we'll talk about cheating stories like this the same way we currently talk about 80s cheating stories. That's weird to think about

[@bobbyswain9372]

If you can bet on it they will be fixing and cheating especially if there is money involved

[@johnh3476]

Exactly. Just more drama with social media now days. There's been cheating in NASCAR from day one.

[@davidfox7593]

The 23 pulled over for the 20 period, end of story

[@shaneharrisnj3484]

The 1 and 3 cars were playing goaltender... You can't do that. Plus, the 16 name dropped the manufacturer orders... So, they got caught red-handed, too. The 23 and 16 should get fined, but the 1 and 3 should have their crew chiefs be barred from the finale, on top of the fine.

[@Me181]

​@@shaneharrisnj3484again not Byrons fault. He didn't ask for help

[@shaneharrisnj3484]

@Me181 I did not mention anything about Byron. The radio says it all. The 3 took orders from Hendrick, and it was relayed to the 1. It was 2 Chevys playing goaltender, while Byron didn't say a word or know about the situation. Brand supremacy. Ferrari did it in F1 at Austria in 2002, and it is just as bad as this with Chevrolet.

[@Me181]

@@shaneharrisnj3484 but I don't think you can take Byron out because of this or people could flip this in the future

[@Goinracing]

@@Me181 there is that thing called guilty by association. If NASCAR wants to send a message that this will not be tolerated then they penalize the 24 and the 20 on top of the safety violation.

[@thesonic2423]

Why can't they penalize Byron? NASCAR penalized Truex and removed his Chase spot after Spingate even though he, just like Byron, didn't do any of the manipulating himself.

[@jordandrye350]

NASCAR has to put a stop to this but they won’t

[@CJODell12]

They’ll just keep doubling down

[@ZPaul_]

It’s entertainment, that’s all that matters to them

[@jordandrye350]

@@ZPaul_ yes that matter to them but not what we saw last night that was a complete joke

[@peeweeacres]

Its all for the BIG SHOW!

[@TedCruz2028]

Stop to what?

[@crw3673]

I said this last night! They should only be 3 drivers going for the Championship next week. Bubba Wallace car, tires and audio should be analyzed. Ross Chastain, Austin Dillon and Shane venghinsburg, audio and telemetry should all be analyzed. I'm a Chevy fan and RCR fan from Dale senior, but this was some real bull shit going on last night. Maybe to the casual viewer it was a good or great race, but for a serious fan and observer, their was some obvious shenanigans going on!🤔

[@robertdelinsky7247]

Y that would b to easy. I dont think dillons and chastain lap times were that far off what everyone was runnin all day long on older tires

[@Me181]

Logano shouldn't be in

[@michaelbell5]

I agree with you Jett and I was never really for or against this playoff format. There was all sorts of shady things going on at the end of yesterday's race. There has to be changes made to this system next season or this kind of stuff will never end in NASCAR. Then there will be no fans of the sport left. No fans = no NASCAR.

[@geofflund4523]

The SVG point is a bit weak. If the communication from Bootie to Bubba isn't relevant because of the time ("the sun was up"), then the SVG audio is irrelevant. That was with >80 to go.

[@patrickracer43]

Idk, the SVG audio says to me that the Chevrolet was telling it's drivers to not pass either the 5, 9 or 24

[@brianstephenson8201]

That was not even remotely close between Larson and Bell riding the wall. Larson barely touched it like a Darlington stripe and had no damage. Bell, like Chastain, would have broken something or at the least been out of alignment. Also big difference between holding people up to help a teammate/manufacturer and faking a flat tire and slowing down to let a teammate go by who was almost a whole lap behind you with 2 to go. And if you aren't OK with blocking then what Blaney did for Logano at Vegas should be illegal to. They are ignoring the grey area between the 1, 3, and 23, and just punished the 20 for wall riding which he didn't have to do bc Bubba was letting him go or else we would have a much bigger controversy. Lastly it shouldn't even have been this close bc Bell had a 15/16 point cushion. Maybe don't s hit the bed at a track you're pretty good at.

[@travisallen2442]

Found the Hendrick stan

[@brianstephenson8201]

@travisallen2442 Nope. I like both bell and Byron. You either penalized them both for what may or may not have been done in the race or just Bell for the wall ride. Either way Bell isn't in. It'd just be Byron or Larson. Which I'd be fine with bc I like Larson. The only thing that matters to me is Hamlin didn't get in.

[@travisallen2442]

@@brianstephenson8201 OR you do the fair thing and disqualify both and do away with that position. Because it's clear both JGR and HMS cheated, and no matter how you penalize, one of those teams benefits. So DQ both Byron and Bell, let Joey, Ryan, and Tyler fight it out between themselves, and fine the crap out of HMS, JGR, 23XI, RCR, and Trackhouse

[@brianstephenson8201]

@travisallen2442 you have to have 4 and all teams involved hendrick/gibbs are the only ones not in and Larson would be next

[@travisallen2442]

@@brianstephenson8201 Why would you have to have 4? The way the format is designed, there is no reason there has to be 4. The way I see it, if a team won a race with an illegal car, Nascar would have no issue disqualifying that car from the race. Well, two teams used illegal strategies to manipulate the playoffs. So those entire teams should be disqualified from the playoffs. So if you're just married to the idea of having 4 in the championship, you have to DQ Byron, Bell, Larson, Hamlin, and Elliott. Which leaves Bowman, who's also Hendrick, so he can't be in either. Now at this point you're talking about drivers that have been eliminated for an entire month in races when those teams weren't manipulating the finish. So which makes more sense? Only having 3, or backing all the way up to 10th place in points just to have 4 drivers in the last round?

[@Bogues_88]

Trying to say about SVG ... Lol the 12 bumped him hard .. SVG is class driver .. he isn't going to go wack a playoff driver .. Blaney was lapping SVG. Fact SVG could have finished higher if he had bump more cars but he not out to make enemies for no reason. He wants to get better for 25'

[@EST01981]

Definitely a wall ride imo but Chevy and Toyota should both be penalized

[@johnwray7761]

If you accelerate well on the wall, that’s wall riding

[@xxCR4ZYxxCRACK4R]

Exactly! While i usually agree with him on most nascar opinions, it was clearly stated that it wouldn’t be allowed after Ross. he clearly accelerated on the wall to hold the position. He passed him before it yess you could argue, but hit the wall and accelerated on the wall to hold it is where the point is.

[@Staysick17]

Wouldn’t had too if Chevys weren’t cheating and he hit the wall and halfway through and speed out like everyone else would of if it was last lap nothing would happened and they favor Hendrick

[@fernandoarroyo3889]

Wall riding is going in high staying on the wall throughout the entire corner. Not sliding up over halfway around the corner. Not to mention he didn't gain any positions while doing that like Ross did he already made the pass before going up against the wall.

[@christopherlyon3959]

​@@Staysick17wall riding is illegal and cheating. Not passing someone when you easily could isn't cheating or illegal

[@Staysick17]

@ he got lose hit the wall and was against it expect him stop on the track stfu

[@bob8776]

The 20 didn’t improve his position by riding the wall so it’s no harm no foul in my opinion. Kinda like the double yellow line rule at Daytona and Dega

[@Goinracing]

safety violation not a performance violation

[@michaelramsey3643]

I think the fact that NASCAR is so stringent on mechanical cheating makes this situation even more egregious. Whether or not Bell deserved a penalty for wall riding, the 24 and the 20 clearly benefitted from manipulation by other teams. Putting either one of them in the Championship 4 creates the possibility of having a tainted, illegitimate champion. I'd like to see both dq'd, along with severe penalties for everyone who participated in the shenanigans, and just have the 12, 45 and 22 eligible in Phoenix, but I suspect that won't happen.

[@Mr_Dopey]

Suspend the drivers of the 1, 3, 20, 23, and 24 next week. Let it be the championship three. Otherwise Nascar has less credibility than ABC news.

[@jonmessenger5621]

I agree with you 100% . All should be penalized and parked for the final race. Plus a 100 points penalty for all guilty parties. Including the manufacturers. The 100 points penalty would be carried over to next year and if any of those driver won a race, their first win would not let them advance automatically to the playoffs (just as the 3's win didn't count) but if they won for a second time it would. The manufacturers manipulation of the race should also carry a 100. Penalty into next year also. This would send a clear message to put a stop to this kind of foolish manipulation. Have a great day my friend. Take care and may GOD bless 🙏 ✝️ 🙏 only the 12, 22, and 45 should run for the championship.

[@citizenoftheyearCC]

Chevy should get a Manufacturers standing point penalty of 50 points and that would knock them out of the lead

[@TedCruz2028]

No they shouldn’t they did nothing wrong

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

@@TedCruz2028yes they did….. they help manipulate the outcome of the race and was more egregious than Bells wall ride and bubba’s “flat” .

[@JimmyVoyles-b3p]

@@TedCruz2028u wasn’t listening. Did u not hear the audio of the big man from Chevy telling him to wreck Blaney the sixteen that is

[@TedCruz2028]

@ no they didn’t

[@jonmessenger5621]

NASCAR, you are at best a sick joke with your officiating. The manipulation of the race by Chevy teams HMS,Trackhouse and RCR is a complete disgrace to racing. The half hour that it took for NASCAR to make a call is probably the amount of time it took HMS to make a deposit in NASCAR's bank account. Ross is one of my favorite drivers but after "the deal", I have lost respect for him as well. And to be clear I haven't had respect for RCR after Harvick left and the HMS teams, were never ones that I would support. Chevy is a disgrace to what they used to be. So the manipulation of the finish of the race all three team should be parked for the final race. All three were guilty and NASCAR is just as guilty with their foolish call. It was obviously planned out. After all the radio transmission referred to it as "the deal." And if NASCAR lets their call stand then the are just as guilty as the other three organizations that manipulate the finish. Which would NOT be a surprise at all. On the other side was Christopher Bell and Bubba Wallace. I don't know if the 23 really had a tire going down or not but that wouldn't have been hard to check. I mean NASCAR has their noses in everything else so there is no reason they couldn't have gone over to the 23 and checked the tire pressures. And as far as Bell hitting the wall, in my mind wasn't the same thing Ross did. Yes he did hit the wall, and he did ride the wall a short distance but it wasn't a Ross wall ride. If the 23 didn't have a tire going down then that manipulation is no better than the HMS, RCR and Trackhouse's manipulation. If all parties are guilty then all parties should be parked for the final race and a 100 points penalty per car per team to start next year, instead of NASCAR letting this act of manipulation go or give HMS the spot in the final four. No other driver should be added and it would be the final three. It is sad that this has happened again in NASCAR and to be honest it is NASCAR's fault. If you park all those who are guilty the next race and dock them 100 to start next year plus if they win a race, their first win would not be counted either just as the 3's win didn't count towards the Championship run this year a Richmond then this kind of manipulation would probably not be a problem. In the end a great race was overshadowed by controversy again and it was the fans who lost out. Blessings to our great Country and to all of the awesome race fans. Take care and may GOD bless 🙏✝️🙏

[@Boredalec777]

NASCAR 06: Total Team Control really looking like the most realistic NASCAR game after this race

[@H3ndrickson]

we even talked about it at talladega, it was less egregious with larson being told not to push brad, i get that but this was a whole different level.

[@Me181]

Bell rode tge wall and bubba slowed for him

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Bubba gave it to Bell, and Bell fumbled the ball. It's his own fault for driving in too hard, losing it, and riding the wall. The final nail in his coffin was that he gassed it up on the wall. That means he purposely rode the wall....which NASCAR has stated unequivocally is no longer tolerated. Bell made his own bed.

[@scooter2d2]

I agree with you there. Makes one wonder if there would have been any controversy at all if Bell just got off the wall and then continued on. It certainly didn't look like Bubba was ever going to go back past him since he already "had a tire down".

[@emeraldeyeball2002]

Welcome back 2013 Federated Auto Parts 400

[@NUGGET-vi1lt]

3:55 he is in the gas on the wall I’d consider it a wall ride. Also bubba has a history of race manipulation he’s spun on purpose to get a caution, he drops back frequently to help better performing Toyotas.

[@bryonkidder6199]

Austin Dillon has ruined the legacy of the #3 car....imo I'm embarrassed to wear my 35 year old GM Goodwrench hat with a #3 on the side because someone might think it's an Austin Dillon hat...lol

[@johnpola6810]

He is the manipulator

[@issacwyre06]

HMS is allowed to do anything

[@lets-go-larson5]

If I'm NASCAR, penalize the 20, 1, and 3.

[@vincenthelm6362]

Lol toyota bias much. Only Ford wasnt guilty

[@jamieseach8911]

I still don’t understand how Kyle Larson isn’t in!

[@naparacingfan9275]

Of course it was race manipulation. Toyota also manipulated the outcome to help Bell get in. This isn't entertainment just embarrassment for the sport. I feel bad for Bell and Byron that they were put in this position, particularly Bell with barely riding the wall.

[@avsguy01]

The new rule should just state that no track time advantage or position advancement shall occur between any loops when a wall ride is occurring.

[@shellyboren7935]

As soon as my driver retires I'm out of Nascar my family has already dumped them

[@KidLatin27]

NASCAR isn't going to get rid of the playoffs anyway because of the entertainment values that all they care about.

[@CptKirKBo]

SAD, but true! I think NASCAR was more relative and competitive when POINTS were ALL that mattered. Get rid of the stage breaks (not necessarily stage racing, but the cautions!) and put the onus on a WHOLE RACE strategy and NOT stage strategy!

[@KidLatin27]

​@@CptKirKBoyeah that's true but still unfortunately NASCAR isn't going to listen to the drivers or the fans and because they are way too stubborn to admit they're wrong about the playoffs and its completely unfair to the drivers and teams even brad keslowksi said that playoffs needs to Go because this is just ridiculous and what we Saw last night just made it 10 times worse like what has our sport even come to these last few years like Christopher Bell and William Bryon didn't even do anything wrong and plus you have guys like Chandler Smith in the Xfinity series who wants to continue driving next year but unfortunately he doesn't bring enough money and sprorsurer ship witch petty much means he's out after this year and this might be the last time we here form him he might never race again after Phoenix i mean you have lots of talented guys and girls who want to drive in NASCAR but if they don't have the money or sprupuership then they can't race NASCAR like im getting sick and tired of this money over talent thing and its really sad.

[@CptKirKBo]

@@KidLatin27 As a big Jeff Gordon fan, I have DESPISED "The Chase" since its' inception! Take away the chase and go back to points and Gordon wins 7 titles! The math spells that out as clear as day. Jimmy Johnson wins 2 or 3. More than one of the "champions" would NOT be the champion under the points format NASCAR used since its inception until they came up with the "CHASE" and this one race 4 team title fight? Face it, it is 100% anticlimactic because 1 tiny mistake costs the best team/drive of that season the title. On the flip side, a team that barely makes the "playoffs" and somehow makes it into the final 4 can have the only great race they have all season and be the champ. THAT is BULLS$!T!

[@KidLatin27]

@@CptKirKBo I know right of course It is and speaking of Jeff Gordon I wish he would've won Texas in 2014 and if he did he would've also won homestead and became the 2014 champion instead of Kevin harvick but still Jeff Gordon will always be a 5 time champion well too me at least plus I was a huge Jeff Gordon fan myself.

[@gimmieboy]

Also the Larson deal. Wasn't the same as what Bell did at all

[@LundRebel]

Chevy has always done this. Can't watch any longer, NASCAR has wrecked the sport. Way back chevy were big cry babies, whining, and i believe teamed up to take out other manufacturers. Especially Ford.

[@raymondbarlow]

I am looking forward to hearing about the upcoming suspensions. There will be a few of them in my opinion.

[@bobbymunford9316]

This why only playoff drivers should be in the playoffs races ! If it was only eight drivers then there would not be any help !

[@garrythompson339]

Chevy payed of nascar car to make sure they get one car in

[@Bill757]

Keselowski should have driven through them all. Mark Martin once said, as Steve Park got turned around, if you block you get what you get. That should be in the nascar rule book also.

[@RussellColeman-p2w]

Chevrolet is way over the line on race manipulation. I had no idea they were trying to get a GM team to wreck a ford the week before.

[@jimmy-t4e4o]

Longtime NASCAR fans will vividly remember why that rule exists. In 2013, Clint Bowyer spun on purpose at Richmond to try to get his Michael Waltrip Racing teammate Martin Truex Jr. into the playoffs. In the days after the race, NASCAR kicked Truex out of the playoffs and added both Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon to the field while expanding the playoff field from 12 to 13. The race manipulation scandal was massive. And Sunday made it clear that teams and manufacturers are still manipulating races in a similar fashion. Since Bell got kicked out due to safety..than Byron should be kicked out due to Chevy manipulation..granted he had no control over what other drivers do on the track. Put in Larson/Hamlin just like 2013

[@SebaDE]

2013 truex got kicked with him doing nothing

[@dev...5150]

Wish you would have included the audio from the 6 car... it was clearly a bow tie affair to get a Hendrik car in the final four... NASCAR is a soap opera...

[@hhollyd66]

NASCAR had to insure a Hendricks driver got into the final four.

[@CPO-Snarky]

NASCAR: Driving exhibition on Sundays. Actual massaged results on following Wednesday.

[@scattercreek7389]

It's not just what you see but also what you hear, let's listen to the radios of all the players. Blaney is still the champ, hope he repeats..🏁

[@jimsoutdooradventures2748]

One car had a few massive runs at the 24 car but rolled out as soon as he got to him. He was fast but just wouldn't pass.

[@brunolinden3629]

This is so out of hand that the final is totally compromised.. at least I will be watching Phoenix with a total new perspective

[@trent7736]

More drama? Who woulda thought

[@brianbinnell3411]

With regards to the wall ride the difference between Bell and Larson is that there is a crossover fence in turn 4 at Martinsville. If that fence fails, which it shouldn't, because your riding along the wall, well see Michael Waltrip and Mike Harmon's Bristol fence crashes. In my opinion Bell could have backed off after hitting the wall, got off the wall, and turned hard down the track to block Wallace from passing. Bell chose to ride along the wall from the center of the turn to the strait.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

4:17. Bruh, he gassed it up. Scraping the wall is a common occurrence in racing, but most of the time they lose spots and momentum. He gassed it. That's wall riding, plain and simple.

[@stevensdiy9485]

You didn't mention Carson Hosavar he was behind the one of Ross Chastain two wide with Brad Keselowski even though he was over a lap down every one of them including the 20 and the 23 should be disqualified Also the 16 tried to block Blaney earlier in the race Blaney knocked him out of the way but still

[@TexasNightmare24]

Nascar is the definition of “there’s only a problem if you acknowledge there is a problem”

[@Solkatten]

I totally understand why, but I still think its kinda bad that a lot of rules like the wall ride thing is literally at Nascar's discretion. It just says case-by-case which of course will always be hard to prove or disprove. I do think it is a bit bad of NASCAR to also just say, "nah, no appealing this one" :/

[@jessecardinaels]

I think the wall ride is more of a safety violations rather than a position benefit.

[@billbender2850]

You are on the mark. Good job.

[@bennydeaton745]

I've been saying this since the start of the format. They have for the championship now. It's unfair for drivers that perform all through the season and then get knocked out at the last minute. Need to go back to the old style. Appoint, then there won't be No manipulation!

[@CommanderAdrixn]

I feel like 3:55 Larson wasn’t as aggressively riding as bells sounded like I could be very wrong

[@DarkOcean2020]

One issue that I see is the attitude: " If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying." Past drivers/crew chiefs BRAG about their cheating and rule manipulation. It seems to be inherent in the sport, and NASCAR is always reacting to it.

[@cumberson77]

Jett, it's only illegal to wall ride at Martinsville. Everyone can still do it anywhere else. Larson didn't infract that rule

[@chadwinpark8386]

Hamlin got penalized for a manufacturing error. Why can't Byron?

[@Bogues_88]

Lol in car camera of Bubba shows how bad that Bell wall ride was ... The problem isn't nascar ... It's the Salty Bell fans mad he didn't get in. Bell sucked tonight

[@brawlnut8543]

Name of ost plz ,thank beforehand

[@Me181]

We wont talk abt bubba slowing down though. Not on byron or bell. It all comes down to the wall ride

[@callmejrdn]

This has become a product of this format. Yes, it's not a good look, but Nascar brought this on themselves when they decided that this format was a good idea. It's time for something to change

[@blakebacarella9445]

Remember what Nascar did to Chevrolet?

[@mostlyinterested1016]

This was a rolling road-block for the last 20-odd laps.

[@fromage_collage]

I have little reason to believe NASCAR will do the right thing. I think I’m done with NASCAR after this season. I’ll watch the Daytona 500 and I’ll still go to my local NASCAR race. But I’m not investing time every week for this anymore.

[@CptKirKBo]

I will give you my opinion on what I think you're missing regarding "riding the wall". You show a clip of Larson on the wall, but he's not "stuck up against it" like the Hail Melon OR Christopher Bell. Bell was stuck against the wall and could not had made any progress (regardless of whether he passed cars or not) without being on the wall and the fact he STOOD on the throttle tells me he rode the wall. In your Larson clip, he feathers the throttle and there is half of the difference with the other half being Larsson wasn't STUCK to the wall by momentum the same as Bell & Chastain were by what appears to be his ability to (somehow) still control the car (steering) while repeatedly using the wall to help him through the turn. Now, I DO have a problem with the race manipulation by everyone else. I was a DIEHARD Jeff Gordon fan since he was a rookie (before that it was "HOT ROD" Harry (Gant) & Bill Elliot as my favs) so naturally I stuck with the 24 after Jeff retired. The ONLY thing saving Wm Byron in my argument is that HE didn't manipulate the race but Dillon & the 1 DID, as well as ALMOST certainly Wallace. Those 3 teams should be HAMMERED with penalties, to the degree that NO OTHER TEAM even THINKS about manipulating a race again. My first thought on the subject was that both Bell & Byron be eliminated, which would have brought Larson into 4th (not what I'd want to see) but the more I thought about it, if what I believe to be true works out (that Byron was not a party to the manipulation) then I think, quite by accident, NASCAR may have got this one right. I watched your show last night when you were PISSED (by the way, you picked up a new fan! I never knew you existed prior to last night!) and I believe looking at it through the lense of what was obvious might help, and I am writing my theory based on what I saw, heard (radio communication) during the race so to me, it is obvious. NOW, if NASCAR finds out Byron (his entire team/Hendrick Motorsports which I DOUBT because they had 2 cars in front of Byron that could had slowed to allow him to pass and did not) then by all means, kick him out of the title race. I don't have to like NASCAR's decisions to agree with them, and I've been following NASCAR since the mid to latter 80s (when POCONO's infield was STILL a WILD, "FREE FOR ALL" party until a few idiots took it WAY too far (and I was in the middle of one of those quite by chance though I was not one of the idiots who pulled knives and shit) and a few weeks ago, when Bowman was booted from the chase, I hated that BUT despite hating it, understand and agree that there HAS TO BE enforcement of the rules, no matter WHO it affects. Christopher bell got against the wall because he slid up into it but THEN he GUNNED the throttle without trying to steer because he COULDN'T! THAT is the difference between using the wall to help turn the car and riding the wall, at least as I see it. IF you literally have zero control (or steering input) and have the throttle matted to the boards, you're riding the wall. Insofar as what to do with the 1, 3, 16 & 23? If it were up to me there'd HAVE TO BE penalties so steep that any potential gains are more than negated in their entirety. I watched that race years ago that tore apart Michael Waltrip racing and I thought THAT penalty would prevent anyone else from EVER trying this again, but I was wrong. I love Michael Waltrip (how can you NOT!) but his team was WAY out of bounds that day. I see what happened yesterday as the same thing and the punishments need to be BRUTAL and SEVERE though stop short of costing a team its' franchise or removing the current ownership. It's PAINFULLY obvious Bubba INTENTIONALLY slowed (listen to the radio BEFORE he slowed discussing the JGR car point) just as it is obvious that the 3 & 16 could had blown by the 24 without even trying. What REALLY sucks though, is that the amazing drive by the 12 is totally lost in all of this and though he's not my favorite (I like him but not my favorite) THAT was one hell of a run through the field and it is ABOUT TIME NASCAR did something to make passing possible again! I HATE the new cars' reliance upon aero but if making tires fall off as fast as they did yesterday will bring RACING back to the forefront? By all means, PLEASE make it so! Racing for the past number of years has been BLAND (most of the time) as once you got out front, without a caution or problem with your car, you were almost guaranteed to win. I want to see cars the drive SO BADLY that it comes down to drivers again and NOT on which team has the current edge up on everyone else. Keep on posting my man! You have a new follower who is looking forward to your posts!

[@joeyager8479]

What you don't know and there won't be any audio is what was said between the manufacturers and the teams during the week. This manufacturer/team racing happens mostly at Daytona and Talladega - pitting together, working together on the track, etc. This is nothing new - it was just overly blatant this time. The only manufacturer that looks innocent here is Ford, only because Blaney had to win to get in and was the fastest car on the track during much of the race. He didn't need the help this race.

[@carlhaag9367]

Good reporting !!!!!

[@MrBumbles2]

yep DQ all chevy"S it is clear what is up , just watching the blockade and now hearing this stuff. nascar will do nothing, probably made a deal with hendrick etc to sign , and now poof your in. new rules lol . but it ended another team , and should another but i bet nascar is behind it for Hollllllywoooooddddd

[@bluntmasterpr7677]

Kyle Larson didn't ride the wall, he got stuck, Bell actually ride the wall and did floor the gas pedal, you watch it again and see for your self the difference, i see it.

[@shawnweaver8091]

The wall ride rule is a "park rule" for Martinsville, hence why there was penalty in the clip you showed from Richmond. Not saying it is right or wrong, just saying what it is.

[@Mr_Dopey]

The car data will show if the 1 and 3 were not full throttle in the staights.

[@HELLABRYAN]

Race manipulation for Chevy AND TRD, Byron and Bell out, Larson to be the last driver

[@johnpola6810]

Where was the blue move over flag,24 didn't move over for 12 laps???

[@BeHumble_Sam]

If NASCAR doesn't get these manufacturers in line, they'll have even more problems down the line. But they brought this on themselves

[@randalljones137]

Blocking is not illegal. Manufactures work together all the time. Just look at Daytona and the other plate track as well as Atlanta. They all work together blocking and helping each other.

[@Me181]

You can't take Byron out cuz of Austin or Ross. Byrons team never said to help them.

[@funhavin5394]

Wall ride - at Martinsville is dangerous AF for fans. Simple. You don't go to the track that got the move banned from. How stupid. Yes, Larsen should have been penalized, but wall riding at 1.5-mile tracks is WAY different then at Martinsville. Although I think if Bell would have just lifted, peeled the car off the wall and then returned to throttle, he would have been fine. There was no way Bubba was passing him. Equal stupidity on Toyota and Chevrolet - but that is what CRASHCAR gets for this ridiculous drama inducing format.

[@practicelogos53teamer]

If Kaulig Racing, track house and RCR were ordered to manipulate to help Hendrick motorsports all of them should be fined and investigate including Hendrick and Chevy.

[@monicasmith7050]

I thought wall riding in that ‘special gear’ was outlawed, as Chastain moved like a rocket 🚀 ship when he did that two years ago.

[@mikel.4885]

Bell hit the gas and rode the wall so nobody could pass him back....bubba said he had a flat tire but at the end of the race all tires were up

[@bobbyswain9372]

Nascar should start benching these guys it's getting out of control

[@turng41]

I'm 53 and as for all my years Nascar has done this crap. Nascar is about as real as pro wrestling. I watch a little but stopped following 20 years ago. One day I will realized that unless your guy is Nascars guy, hes not getting the big prizes.

[@vancityracedesigns2283]

THIS IS VERY SIMPLE, when he hit the wall he gassed it up, it was not a move he would have done on any other lap in the race.

[@matttaylor8348]

Block on Sunday, forget Monday.

[@randyrussell4331]

If the wall is out of bounce than put double yellow lines by the wall and at the bottom of all tracks no passing down low below lines no bouncing off the 🧱 wall.passing using the wall.

[@Therealjefflong]

Man in still pissed off about this. Watching chastain and dillon run right up to the 24 and parking there. Is the moment I realized nascar isn't a sport anymore.

[@nicholasgrossi4716]

Larson should be in and bell and Bryon out

[@fernandoarroyo3889]

I think his car just got stuck on the wall and he couldn't get off of it. I think he meant to do a clean pass.

[@blakebacarella9445]

If this is "race manipulation". Then dont watch the two Daytona, Talladega, or Atlanta races.

[@ApexPro-Chris]

What Larson did was even close to what bell did.