Marvel Doesn't Like Hiring Comic Book Fans

[@scottlarmore5038]

That may be why Cavil has had such a hard time, he’s an actual geek.

[@paytonburnett9180]

Self sabotage is Hollywoods new fetish…

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Indeed

[@NickNapoli]

Marvel would rather be hiring activist with gender studies degrees to write their shows and movies.

[@waifutavern]

Yeah that sounds good

[@luminatron]

Jessica Gao moment

[@itsblitz4437]

That but no writing degree?

[@thatHARVguy]

@@itsblitz4437 A writing degree would be a qualification. Can't have that with 3rd/4th wave feminists and their allies. Qualification/merit is literal violence to those people.

[@haniakajika9788]

You hit the nail on the head when you were talking about them wanting to replace the " old and outdated" characters and stories with their own. It's not just Marvel either, i've noticed it with other forms of entertainment as well. I've noticed it happen especially with reboots, that's why they are rebooting everything they can get their hands on. If any of you still watch tv, you might notice that over the years they, have been slowly weeding out the older movies, especially the ones with "issues" and replacing them with the reboots. I believe that their agenda is to "fix" the movies of the past by making reboots, inserting whatever bs message they want to put in there, and like you said make people forget about the old "problematic" movies. I think the long and short of it is that they think they know what's best for their "modern audiences" and if you even question them about it then you are verbally attacked.

[@RoseBaggins]

Which just makes me want to watch the older ones more. Good job, media.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

Change always comes eventually, but some things don't require such unless done properly and faithfully. Not especially in this day and age where the older stuff seems to age better and have much better appeal than anything new. This "modern audience" thingy is pure nonsense since lots of things from the past remain relevant even today.

[@terrystewart1973]

Def not just Marvel. See also Dr Who from here in the UK

[@AS-fu1kd]

And for that reason I haven't watched a movie in theaters in years, and when I watch movies, they're generally older movies

[@Klee99zeno]

what's weird is that even the creators who SAY they like the original stories and characters don't really like them at all. They may say they love Star Wars but they actually hate it. They hate that Luke was a white man, so they had to fix it by making the main characters diverse. They hate Lord of the Rings because the characters look white and male and heterosexual.

[@4horsemenoftheapocalypse58]

Makes sense, they dont want anyone calling them out on their bullshit.

[@AdennBeroya]

Sonic should be a blueprint for any company with a profitable IP. The first Sonic movie sold so well opening weekend that Paramount ALREADY had a sequel locked in with Sega that following Monday. Sonic Frontiers has outsold God of War: Ragnorok in the US and UK (source, TailsChannel). Unlike the Marvel/ Lucasfilm heads, Sega had to listen to fans. Fans are the lifeblood of whether the Sonic fails probably moreso than other fandoms. Seeing Sega finally listen after so long and seeing successes for listening is such a breath of fresh air.

[@jturner2577]

Damn right it should. If they didn't listen to the fans and kept that inital awful sonic design (ugly sonic), the film would have likely been a financial disaster. Lucky they did and it's paid off wonderfully.

[@Omegafox411]

As Eric July says "respect the canon"

[@finkwood]

That producer is basically a Decepticon who identifies as an Autobot.

[@dragonsword8129]

So, he’s Sideways?

[@homomagii]

Anime/Manga will always be superior.

[@richardvaldes3959]

They don't like hiring fans but they want our money. fans need to stop giving money.

[@homomagii]

Facts

[@RambleOn07]

The only good thing about this era is how much damage it has done to brand loyalty.

[@WaterFaucet24]

Sailing the high seas, buying second hand, purchase ticket to movie x but walk into theater for movie y….all ways to stick it to them all.

[@terrystewart1973]

QED

[@viktorvondoom5950]

There are people who just want to turn off their brain and watch something with CGI and explosions in it. They will go watch it. And in the end, Disney cares more about making money than bringing out a good product. Lets face it, the Disney renaissance period ended decades ago. This is the dark age of the mouse.

[@edgelordleon5859]

I remember the first time I saw the Silent Hill movie (the first one) and I kind of hated it for how much was changed and questioned, "Why?" But then a few years down the line I learned that, if memory serves me correctly, the director was apparently a huge fan of the games and wanted to make as authentic a film as possible to the source material. So I rewatched the film with a different mindset and was able to see that while a ton of things were indeed changed, there was an immense amount of fan service and details thrown in that were used to great effect. Scenes ripped directly from the game, set pieces that were absolutely true to form, creature designs and their functions such as the nurses responding to light, stuff like that. He wasn't lying that he was a fan and it showed. I still don't LOVE that movie, but THAT was at least an actual attempt at making a game to film adaptation that was different, but still pretty faithful. If mainstream entertainment is so obsessed with changing things all the time, could they at least hire people that actually... Y'know... Care? The fact that they blatantly admit, almost proudly, that they don't is... so confusing, depressing, and just plain sad.

[@thesaltyweeb]

But but... THE MESSAGE AND SOCIAL JUSTICE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

Change always comes eventually, but some things don't require such unless done properly and faithfully. Not especially in this day and age where the older stuff seems to age better and have much better appeal than anything new. This "modern audience" thingy is pure nonsense since lots of things from the past remain relevant even today.

[@wren7195]

Kinda like what they did to Halo, too. One of THE most recognized musical cues in video game history, and it was deliberately not used.

[@TheLargeHardonCollider]

I actually really liked the first Silent Hill film. (TBF, I didn't actually play the games beforehand.) Yet even when I watched different playthroughs of the original games, you can see while the story/plotline isn't the same, the core concepts, scenes, and motivations were maintained in the movie. At the end of the day, it truly achieved a great "horrorific" theme that even many original horror movies can't do themselves. Back in the day of renting DVDs, I loaned that DVD to my grandpa after I watched it. And he told me it scared him so bad he couldn't even sleep that night.

[@wolverinesnikkt]

Hasbro also does the same. They won’t hire for the most part, fans of IPs. So the lack in toy design shows. Also, Hasbro is basically Disney

[@harbl99]

What was Hasbro's last original success? Nerf? Gen 1 Transformers were Japanese imports. D&D and Magic were a buyout. Power Rangers and MLP are 40 year old licensed IPs. Haslabs is overpriced rehashes of 40 year old IPs...

[@jturner2577]

You think Hasbro would have learned after the Brony Phenomenon.

[@rhyslightning3037]

@@MexicanusPrime aslong as peter cullen is alive they will use him coz they know if they didnt they’d lose viewers but once he retires or dies then who knows

[@Zan_Jayna]

'Marvel considers it a 'red flag' if writers know how to write engaging stories. Prefers 'depressed, flabby social media addicts with TDS.' - Fixed it.

[@Rawrshuga]

As a non-American who has worked in the storytelling industry (I haven’t since the panny) it is quite depressing to see this continuing to happen. Until recently working in the US was an ambition of mine, but seeing the current narcissistic “if we can’t have it we’ll take it from you” relationship the US media industry is having with great stories I find myself having to rethink my long-term life goals and the future of storytelling.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Good call. It’s not worth it anymore.

[@gabrielkirabomuwanguzimuga6150]

Just innovate the storytelling in your own country.

[@Rawrshuga]

@@gabrielkirabomuwanguzimuga6150 The majority of content watched in my country is made in the United States. That aside, storytelling is universal (or should be) and as I said it was my ambition as US programming has larger reach and thus larger working budgets. In my country budgets are small and thus there is a lot of churn which limits how much can be done. But, yes, I can still work to improve my craft locally.

[@TheLargeHardonCollider]

Just keep at it. Don't stop! There may be an incredible bias currently in the industry for "woke" everything, where you can't even create a new fantasy world with the characters you want without people complaining, "But wait, why doesn't your fantasy world have enough black characters? Asian characters? Middle-eastern characters? Your fantasy realm seems woefully unpopulated with Eastern-Pacific Indian representation." If it's an actual good story, just keep at it. Keep working it, keep refining it. Maybe you could do a graphic novel/comic book series first, to test it out. Who knows, maybe one day it does get picked up by big Hollywood. (Then you'll definitely have to deal with them bastardizing your core concept! But until then, keep at it! Keep fighting the good fight, against bad, overplayed storytelling tropes!)

[@Rawrshuga]

@@TheLargeHardonCollider What wait... have you been to my pitch meetings? XD

[@paladinminipedro707]

What you said about "their ultimate goal" is spot on!! they want us to forget and/or instill into small children what they want our children to agree with. What do they want them to agree with? you know that answer. There are people who will defend amazon and disney to the grave!!

[@permeus2nd]

Of course they don’t want to hire fans, fans know the source material and can point out all the places they are getting it wrong meanwhile marvel only wants to use the names of the characters then completely make up the rest to push whatever message is popular this week. Sounds like we need to stop giving them money till these people get their ass fired.

[@jturner2577]

And also tell them when changing something from the source material, said changes need to make sense for the medium, story, characters and universe.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Damn right

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@jturner2577 Yes indeed

[@robg1151]

Fans have money, piss them off and they won’t spend their money. It’s a simple equation.

[@spookcityghouls]

Kinda weird that Feige would go along with that ideal, when Bryan Singer had to same policy during his X-men movies. He even went so far as to ban X-men comics on set but Feige would sneak Hugh Jackman stacks of the Wolverine comics so he'd have some clue as to who he was playing.

[@jturner2577]

Exactly, what happened to him after 2018?

[@spookcityghouls]

@@jturner2577 that's the million dollar question, my brother

[@jturner2577]

@@spookcityghouls That it is.

[@boboboy8189]

Feigi also turned woke.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@jturner2577 he sold his soul. Simple as that. Now he’s just another one of them. Too bad.

[@TheConstitutionalConservative]

Why would they like to hire ACTUAL comic book fans?? That would actually make sense! They HATE the people that they're supposed to be making these things for.

[@shauna.a8701]

Exactly, like where's the logic in that? 🤣 These people have some serious problems

[@kaojinn]

I dont mind when something is adapted into a different tone, as long as it remains faithful to the source material. For example, Ridley Scott's "Alien" vs James Cameron's "Aliens". Tonally very different, but both fantastic, and James Cameron made it feel like it fit in the universe. Most importantly, Ripley still felt like the same character in both movies. That said, I liked Thor: Ragnarok. They loosened up on Thor a bit, and made him more jokey, and while it was a change for him, I didnt hate it. I could see maybe him picking up some mannerisms from interacting with people on Midgard , and that would make sense that he might not be so "Shakespearian" as you stated. Heres where I have a problem with the characters being changed. When a character rises to popularity or prominence based on their past works, and then they're completely changed, but given the same name, its effectively a bait and switch. This isnt the character you were presented with and they arent what made them rise to fame in the first place. Its a knockoff. By changing what made that character interesting, and then presenting it as the original, its just insulting to the fans that made that character popular. People have pulled guns on McDonalds workers for adding the wrong condiment on their burger. But they rewrite a character's backstory, gender/race-swap and accuse the fans of being (insert term)-ist? Fuck off.

[@Lex_Luthor777]

You have the best comment

[@Han-rw9ev]

Disney doesn't like hiring Marvel fans for Marvel series and they've also had a reluctance to hire Star Wars fans for Star Wars stories (fortunately Favreau and Filoni are exceptions) AND Amazon doesn't like to hire people who know and understand (and respect) the source material for Rings of Power and the Wheel of Time.... That would explain a few things And at the same time they want to sell their stuff to the fans of those franchises. That's like getting someone who's clueless about cars to try build a Ferrari and sell it to supercar enthusiasts..

[@WestSideDave1]

I really don't understand their mindset here. Why would you deliberately hire people who don't understand comic books, have no idea how to write comic books, and basically have nothing but contempt for comic books and comic book readers? It's like the fire department hiring convicted arsonists.

[@RambleOn07]

They are Progressives. They are ideologically required to destroy everything that came before. As such, they had no interest in anything but recreating these characters in their present day image. Which, will become the next greatest evil, in their minds, within 20 years

[@WestSideDave1]

@@RambleOn07 🎯

[@WestSideDave1]

@@RambleOn07 It's almost like that vicious older sibling or school bully, tearing out a page from someone's favored book or pulling the arm off someone's favorite doll and saying "Haha, look at what I can do!"

[@AS-fu1kd]

Propaganda is a helluva drug

[@therealstephentv]

And now it's time to buy some gfuel code mac

[@josephcrabtree3224]

And nobody was surprised, lol. Amazon and Netflix are clearly doing it too and I can already tell the new Willow will be the same. Great video Melonie and have a wonderful day. edit: What is this, Melonie left the sleeves on her t-shirt? I'm stunned 🤣

[@OtterloopB]

I hope you had a wonderful birthday yesterday, Melonie!

[@Wingedlight-nn4hl]

For fans of the original source material whether it be games, comics, or heck even toys for that matter and when we want it to be as close and true to the source material as possible they usually call us regressive, racist, homophobic, this, that, and the other and companies buy into this hard and try to appear to a larger demographic and do everything they can to alienate the longtime fans of those franchises which is a slap in the face to the ones who supported them for all those years.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

They don’t even try to appeal to larger demographics anymore. They try appealing to specific demographics.

[@megamanxhunter]

Companies and entertainment media always consider us fans of comic book, japanimation and video games as nerds. Look at how the media is mad at Paramount since they decided to re-design Sonic back in 2019.

[@AS-fu1kd]

As long as the Twitter mob gets fed their ritual sacrifice

[@rhyslightning3037]

@@chandlerburse2754 i get what your saying but without the waynes getting shot you have not batman same as if you have no uncle ben getting shot you have no spiderman those events are the prime motivation for our heroes if this is getting boring then that should really be a sign that they have redone the story to many times in to short a timeframe and should probably not make a film about that character for a while but thats just my take on it or atleast if your not gonna show it you should atleast mention it

[@attilaszabo9664]

Love the girl. Good to hear someone thinking straight... and damn it is sad they are killing every franchise out there...

[@fclefjefff4041]

If you consider this "thinking straight" I'm not sure what to tell you. She rambles her way through every video and this little fringe community of sniveling neckbeards eats it up 😄

[@attilaszabo9664]

@@fclefjefff4041 Advice: If you're not sure what to tell then don't. Or stupid things will come out.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I’m fine with changes in adaptations, but you still have to understand what makes the original media good in the first place to be able to change things

[@jturner2577]

Exactly you need to keep the core of the story.

[@bloody4558]

It's inevitable to have changes done to the material when moving from one medium to another However changes are only justifiable when they are done to properly adapt the material. Changes done for the sake of someone's ego in wanting their own story to be told Instead of the original, are and will always be wrong.

[@Elric70]

Pardon me but, didn't Heath Ledger read the prime Joker stories going into the Dark Knight? Pretty sure he read at least The Killing Joke, and then he went on to blow most fans expectations out of the water. Even if the story is not pitch perfect to comics, the heart of the character needs to be there.

[@jturner2577]

Exactly the core needs to be untouched.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Yes, he did

[@aronhalverson2115]

Of course they don't, they can't push "THE MESSAGE!" if they do

[@SixerIverson04]

Happy belated birthday Melonie!

[@AllanDanja]

Not only are they not hiring fans it seems they are hiring people who outright hate the source materiel like with SHe-Hulk

[@younger544]

I really don't understand this thinking. Build a huge universe that people love by making comic book movies that stick pretty darn close to their characters in page, then decide the way forward is to hire writers that will specifically NOT do that.

[@AS-fu1kd]

Someone from Marvel needed to hear years ago "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"

[@ferrarriohh]

I just finished Logan again tonight. It’s clearly a new story, not Mark Millar’s Old Man Logan, which is a wild ride. BUT, it’s pretty clear James Mangold understood the OML lore and fit it into FoXmen’s settings. These losers need to step down so actual comic fans who work in the industry can give us the best versions of the characters.

[@jturner2577]

Yep, he understood the lore, tones, themes and organiclly fit it into the settings of Fox's X-Men. The film is a Masterpiece, it really is.

[@dragonsword8129]

Let me put it this way: I am not a fan of the Twilight Saga. However, if I were put in charge of a remake for those films, the first thing I would do is reach out to Stephanie Myer and/or actual fans as consultants. Then, I would try to collaborate to see if we can make a version of the movies that aren’t so easy for people to make fun of or lambaste while also not alienating the fans that came before. Based on what I’ve heard about recent Marvel stuff, they’re not making much of an effort to hire people who show even that much respect.

[@viktorvondoom5950]

I would ask Stephanie Meyer to write a better book first. I always thought of Bella as the worst written angsty teenage female character ever, but that was before "50 Shades of Grey". Now she is only the second worst

[@dragonsword8129]

@@viktorvondoom5950 Well, the Twilight movies still made a lot of money. So there is an audience. I would simply try to expand upon what good ideas are in there and try to make the characters, including Bella, more interesting. Why is she so angsty? Can I make her aware of her own issues? Maybe make a character arc out of that? That's the kind of discussion I would be having with fans/Meyer in this hypothetical situation.

[@viktorvondoom5950]

@@dragonsword8129 My earlier comments does make me look like I would be one of those shifty people who hates the fans then, huh? In that case my revamped answer would be that I would not take this project and leave it to you because I hated the books and the movies and wouldn't be able to do justice to the fans. Not saying you liked them, but the fact you found positives in the movie says how much I hated them more than you.

[@dragonsword8129]

@Chandler Burse Never said that I thought they were good. I'd probably have to make some major changes to the story in order to feel satisfied. But I would want to keep in mind what drew so many people (mostly women from what I've heard) to those titles. Basically, I would've liked to make something that old fans could enjoy while (to paraphrase Lauren Faust) not making new viewers want to shoot themselves.

[@AS-fu1kd]

They hire people who want to see the source material burn, and it shows

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

All the people that truly cared and paid attention to the little details either left or were pushed out and replaced. MCU is only gonna get worse.

[@ericfrancisco6615]

That producer got their priorities backwards if they think hiring writers that have no love for the source material is a smart move.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

They definitely have their priorities backwards.

[@namelessminionveinreaver3763]

I can see the advantage of hiring a person or two that are unfamiliar with the source material so that they can make sure it's not a requirement to enjoy the show, but overall the majority should be fans. I'd much prefer they make comic book movies/series accurate, yet approachable, to bring in those new fans. Comic books themselves have kind of fallen off in our culture for different forms of media, but if you can grab those fans to the point where they want to go back and read the original, that's better for everyone.

[@jturner2577]

Agreed 1-2 Outliers who are willing to do the research and help build on the foundation of said source material is fine.

[@APrinnyDood]

You'd think Marvel would notice their decline is related to the rejection of fandom and going full politics, especially when Japan is there bieng massively successful due to embracing it's fans and in truth having creators who are huge nerds into the same things as the rest of us

[@itsdeonlol]

Marvel not caring about the fans anymore isn't surprising...

[@changvasejarik62]

And neither is the irritation we’ll feel for filthy casuals touching our stuff haphazardly.

[@Lex_Luthor777]

@@changvasejarik62 facts

[@markcarpenter6020]

A lot of the people in Hollywood hate nerds and geeks....always have. And a lot of the story writers in comics and games now see their job as an audition for a Hollywood gig.

[@therealstephentv]

😂Belloni😂 I love you trying to pronounce the peoples names. I Love it when you bring up Tomb Raider 😁Good video Melonie. Love ya. Take care and have a good day.💛💛💛

[@ScaryStoriesAt2AM]

Based on the state of the MCU I'd say it actually makes perfect sense 🤣🤣

[@gamerboy6787]

The way things are nowadays in the creative entertainment space is such a far cry from when people in general used to pay more respect to the source material, regardless of what the IP was. If you think back to the original X-Men movie, by dir. Bryan Singer (the one that launched Hugh Jackman into stardom), a fella named Tyler Mane played Sabretooth. In the DVD bonus section, Mane goes into detail on how much prep he did for his character. He speaks with pride on how much studying he did, devouring a stack of X-Men comic books, and sitting down with his son to watch the Saturday morning X-Men cartoon, picking the young lad's brain about the lore of the show, on which the boy was an expert. That kind of dedication and respect is sorely lacking from today's actors, writers, and producers.

[@rhyslightning3037]

Its just a shame brian singer sidelined him didnt even get to explore his rivalry with wolverine

[@sparrow420500]

Wait, are you telling me they hire people who have no love or knowledge of the characters or stories we have come to love over multiple decades, even generations? NOOOOOOO, I never would have guessed based on, well EVERYTHING "they" have done and produced in the last ten years at least.

[@frozzytango9927]

Imagine hiring plumbers who know nothing about plumbing.

[@jturner2577]

8:01 Nate Moore's arugment itself is valid to some degree. But it's being used as an excuse to change whatever they want with the source material, even if said changes are a disservice. It's a shield from criticism

[@havokstrife7094]

It's because they don't want to be limited by what they can create,The only problem is they completely lack creativity and talent.

[@88DreadGT]

Wow, it's like the Star Wars original Trilogy Special Editions when I saw them in 1997 in theaters. I thought it was neat and fun (at first) until I found out that they would never go back to the real versions! I'll never see that Sega Saturn Lara Croft anytime soon either...

[@ferrarriohh]

“Bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it works out for them.”

[@BigGator5]

Clearest sign that they REALLY hate fans, no?

[@yourname519]

Disney already said years ago that they wanted to "let the past die"...... and every other entertainment company followed their lead. And now look what they've done the past few years, all the while blaming the fans for not liking their "work".

[@McMahonHater]

I think it would be a good idea to have a mix of comic knowledgeable people and newbies because the you get those in the know and those with fresh ideas.

[@jturner2577]

EXACTLY! Or better yet people who respect the source material but are open to reinventing the wheel and know how to adapt said material.

[@McMahonHater]

@@jturner2577 Maybe, reinventing the wheel to much can annoy people. I hated the new "Flash" Thompson. I never believed for a moment Tom Holland couldn't kick his ass without super powers.

[@jturner2577]

@@McMahonHater I agree.

[@McMahonHater]

@Chandler Burse So you think Tobey Maguire looked like he could take Joe Manganiello?

[@McMahonHater]

@Chandler Burse Have you ever seen Joe Manganiello?

[@dillonohlemiller401]

And that logic makes absolutely NO sense

[@Nickle_King]

When adapting one medium into another, the biggest gift you can ever be given is an actor/director that is willing to deep dive into that world. They don't even need to be fans, they just have to want to go deep into what the fans like about it. To deliberately NOT do that or allow it is fraud. These people aren't making what people like. They're using a popular name to sell their invariably crappy product.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Indeed

[@rhyslightning3037]

You just stated how Michael bay makes a living

[@Nickle_King]

@@rhyslightning3037 Do you remember the TMNT movies? He made them aliens. He was one of the problems.

[@rhyslightning3037]

@@Nickle_King i know hes a problem but he somehow still makes a living out of it

[@rhyslightning3037]

@@Nickle_King i know hes a problem but he somehow still makes a living out of it

[@madcap47764]

I read this yesterday and was shocked! Why would someone want to hire a writer that is a fan? I don't get it and the part in the article when he said "thiers a movie here" a...yeah but maybe don't change everything and maybe you can make a decent movie

[@elam3654]

I got another theory to posit: The 'D&D' effect. Who were the Game of Thrones show runners vocal about reaching? "The soccer moms." This is where we see these shows get shaped to target multiple audiences for maximum coverage. Cowboy Bebop was actually pretty notable for this by taking an involuntarily trans anime character and turning them into an out and proud trans live actor. This improves representation, but they're effectively a completely different character. The only person on the cast that actually survived this conversion was pretty much Jet, but that's mostly blind luck that the studio snagged an actor who knew what he was doing.

[@harbl99]

"Muh secondary demographic" has gone from being a nice-to-have bonus to a tyranny. It's not enough to capture the people who you _know_ will love this thing, you have to bring in other groups of people (preferably in cash cow demos) too. See, eg: bronies.

[@RambleOn07]

Jet was race swapped. But then again, all of the characters were race swapped.

[@elam3654]

@@RambleOn07 Yeah, and he proves race swapping can be fine if the actor can nail the role. In his case though, its more of a credit to the actor's skill than it is to anything the studio did.

[@randycliff4045]

People almost always having expectations; why is that bad? You like golf and are looking forward to a world class event and being with like-minded people, but it's rained out for the day. Now what to do? Looking across the street, the local community centre has a hockey game playing. There's a crappy idea -- from world class golf to local goofy hockey. Your friend says, "that's just a good! they're both sports games". First of all you realize your friend is an idiot, and your second thought is that you'd rather just go buy beer and sleep in the parking lot and wait for the sun to return tomorrow .... remember expectations. Movie producers don't seem to care about our expectations. They're planning on delivering whatever gives them the most profit (so long as it includes the proper message) and we're just supposed to love it. We're not allowed to have our own expectations, but have to be subject to theirs. We're being told that McDonalds is fine dining, and they expect we're to stupid notice the difference. Sorry, some of us can actually tell the difference.

[@alarson1799]

"What if you tweaked the tone completely?" You can't. To tweak something is to change it slightly. Completely means the whole thing. You cannot tweak something completely. So, Waititi meant change it entirely, and that's what he did.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Happy belated Birthday, Melonie. Shout Out Eric July.

[@DavidAKJohnson]

As much inspiration I’ve received over the years from my childhood and teens from Marvel and DC, it is no longer the case because the corruptive perversion has gone on for far too long. When a comic sells me propaganda or at the very least a social commentary message without actually providing a strong philosophy or narrative; it no longer is a comic book to me. It’s radicalised homework. And I’ll have no part in it anymore. I’ve taken it upon myself to seriously apply more artistic pressure and creativity than ever before for my ideas and I’ve been working on them constantly over the last month, having left behind retail management to pursue a passion of mine that I hope one day surpasses the joke that is overhyped comic books and comic-book style movies. It’s a dead language that serves as much use as Latin nowadays and it’s distorting a much-needed fan base more than ever. Children and youngsters need philosophies and inspirations to look up to; not be twisted by propagandistic agendas. Marvel & DC? Much like Eric July; I’m taking you over. You’re corrupt practices and wasteful diversity hires won’t save you from creative bankruptcy. You are a dying star and it’s time some other folks who have compelling storylines and characters in mind have their day in the sun. Exit stage left and Excelsior

[@alexisstephankuberski584]

Happy late bday!

[@nonenone4618]

"The Message" is really about trying to suck the life and testosterone out of society. Growing up I loved, and still love, the great action films. The old Arnold movies, Bruce Willis, Stallone, old Kung Fu movies (before the CCP ruined Hong Kong). I even watched older movie with Danny Kay and Errol Flinn, anything with action. I wasn't raised that way, I just enjoyed them. I started reading at a young age and loved fantasy books and went through them faster than my parents and library could keep up. Seeing all these things that I loved ruined by flappy handed, soy drinking, "modern audience" sprewing, lgbtblahblah people makes me rage, frenzied, and ultimately sad...

[@RickyUzumaki993]

I feel your pain…

[@Lex_Luthor777]

I could literally destroy them and do jail time for it without no remorse

[@jonfox4022]

On the DC side of things Geoff Johns was involved with Aquman, Wonder Woman 1984, Shazam!, Birds of Prey, and Justice League(pretty sure). So having more involvement from a credible comic book background doesn't always translate into a successful film or series of films. I can only imagine how rare and difficult it would be to find a successful marriage of the two industries. Henry Cavil and Ryan Reynolds are a couple that come to mind.

[@BtZealot]

This is where we're at with Inner-Detainment, why does anyone want to go back? Run from Hollywood and don't look back.

[@jaxxboxdesigns]

Essentially, the producers / people with the funding are straight up disrespecting the creatives that fuel the heart of the industry.

[@brianburnside569]

I call it the "Multiverse Movement."

[@BenDalorian75]

Yes,they don’t want to go by the comics these days. Also,they probably will make an all women Avengers eventually. 🎉It will get 98% on Rotten Tomatoes 🍅

[@permeus2nd]

4:00 thing these (I’ll be polite) people don’t understand is that just because they aren’t willing to give fans what they want dosnt mean some other independent isn’t going to rise up to fill that gap taking the money they could have been making. And some of these fan made films, comics and games are just as good in not better than the “”Professional”” works. Greater, lesser their all evil.

[@jturner2577]

True but it still really hurts.

[@Lex_Luthor777]

They try to gatekeep media so they can effectively keep out anyone who might outsell them. It makes since, otherwise people would never buy the crap the attempted gatekeepers try to push, when instead they could have the better, superior alternative.

[@AS-fu1kd]

The fact that they're losing so much money and still continue to do this shows their reasons are entirely political. They're willing to lose money to push their divisive propaganda. It's really truly sad that as a species our storytelling culture is moving backwards and getting worse. (Due to direct sabotage) Now that we have all the technology, we're dealing with the worst written stories and characters, and lack of creativity we've ever seen since the beginning of cinema

[@thesaltyweeb]

Disney's She-Hulk... nuff said.

[@MildraTheMonkVT]

This kind of thing is why I invoke the "greener grass" fallacy.

[@zekieff]

Yeah, it's bad that they have been doing this but I feel sometimes it's good to change a few things for a new spin but you shouldn't change the core of a character. Don't really think the changing of stories to some degree is okay, but they really should hire people that have the source material on mind so they have most of it there. Reason I feel changes to stories isn't all bad is it allows for some surprises, just wish those that did make these were fans. Nonfans have been systematically ruining franchises especially of late. Appreciate the video Melonie.

[@TheTenth666]

Have you seen X men days of future past? 95% of the new characters have totally wrong powers and the sentinels (even future ones) never had this kind of powers, the original story is 2 x 24 pages, and they adapt maybe 5% of the story (in the comics it's about half in the future and half in the 80s, in the movie it's 85% in the 70s and 15% in the future) ... Bishop : guy with gun with red energy / most powerful energy absorbing mutant, can use energy blast with hands or guns, and become more physycally strong - gets killed by energy blasts of sentinells Sunspot : gets all black and much taller and is super strong, has strange light absorption abilities including limited flight and doing dark energy blasts - flame body and shoots flames Kitty Pryde : she's phasing through matter, disrupting computers - sends spirit through time Warpath : becomes super tall and strong and resilient - ultra strong hearing and fights with a small kinfe Havok : sends destructive white blasts through entire body, nut often with hands - sneds red energy ...

[@Oliver.Verdant]

Halo did this with 343 Studios. "Hiring people with an opposing view of Halo to create a fresh and different perspective" The Halo franchise lost more than half of its original player base.

[@azurewyrm66]

Nate Moore: " Hiring Marvel fans as writers for Marvel movies and shows is a red flag for me." Also Nate Moore: "Let's hire a former SS C-Camp guard to work in a synagogue's day care program!"

[@TheHatMan69]

This is sickening. Holy cow

[@mars___sumner]

All, if not most, these big name brands have been infiltrated and subverted by activists who care nothing for the source material and the fans. It’s been time to accept this, move on, and support the up and coming creators. No one says you can’t still enjoy Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc but I betting it’s the old, classic stuff from these IPs that you still love. Enjoy it, and for the creative types, use it as inspiration to make your thing

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Damn right

[@HavocFactionmusic]

We are creating our own original comic book and world. We incorporate elements from mad max, blade runner, x-men and batman.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@HavocFactionmusic I’m glad to hear it

[@robbyjones9813]

The problem is that there is a reason these Ips are popular. Brining in the fans helps bring that factor out. While it isn't impossible to ignore the source material and make a great movie a majority of film writers cannot do it, at least not with how much these movies costs. Worse is that they want to insert something extra and unwelcomed when there is a great deal of things can't do or have to do. What we see happening in Hollywood is both lack of talent needed for such ambitious projects, and a desire to do what ever they want and get rewarded. I do sympathize with writers who want to have that creative freedom, but in this era of rebooting old Ip's being to understand the source material is becoming a required skill.

[@Josh_Hammond]

Well in fairness lot of superhero films and even video games when they do something different from the source material it's not always bad like Sam Raimi Spider-Man or early MCU films or even the Nolan Batman trilogy but to me it's just all the woke stuff that completely changed everything. But I still agree with you melonie especially with yeah not everything from the comics or videogames should be a 1 to 1 adaption into films and retelling the same story.

[@jturner2577]

The Difference is Sam Raimi is a fan of the source material. Yes they know changes need to be made and they've reinvented/put their own spin on the IP, but the core remains the same.

[@Josh_Hammond]

@@jturner2577 true.

[@klouddsurferful]

@@jturner2577 That's a good point to bring up. Marvel has been driving half their audience away with their drastic alterations to the source material. For example, not saying that Wakanda Forever Namor sucks, but they've changed so much about the character that he isn't the comic book villian at his core. It's something that can satisfy MCU stans, but will frustrate everyone else.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@klouddsurferful but MCU Namor does suck.

[@jonfox4022]

Raimi and Nolan are creative people and able to put their vision and created world onto the big screen. Disney has begun to hire directors to simply tick off a box because movies need directors but the fact is that much of the CGI fight scenes and story telling is done before a director even comes onboard so whatever their vision may have been isn't going to come through. And in some cases where a director does put forward their ideas we get a tonal mess like Thor Love and Thunder. Half of that felt like Taika doing his thing and the other half felt like it was set in stone by Disney higher ups.

[@DragONheart27X]

You might be in luck with Lara Croft as the next game will apparently try to connect the Survivor Trilogy with the original games (which one considering Legend was a sort of reboot too).

[@CFWhitman]

This is nothing new. It's certainly older than "woke-ism." This has been an issue for basically as long as I can remember. In fact, it got much better for a while, but then the long standing studio culture seeped into everything again and caused a return to the old pattern. Movie studio executives and producers tend to be businessmen who were never fans of various source materials that they end up making movies from. Therefore, they don't understand fans of the source material. They don't take things like comic books and video games seriously at all. They think such things are silly. This thinking that they are silly leads them to believe that nobody could really take them seriously, and thus the movies shouldn't be serious. This thinking can affect any science fiction or fantasy source material to some extent. When you think that, "Oh, well this can't be serious anyway," you end up with things like _Street Fighter_ (1994), and _Thor: Love and Thunder_ (2022). When you think, "I have to make a standard movie that will appeal to a certain movie audience, not fans of the comic book," you get stuff like _Batman_ (1989) and its sequels. Sometimes the 'trying to make a good movie out of it' attitude at least ends up as a decent movie, though not very true to the source material. One of the first superhero movies that I saw that made what could be considered necessary changes to things for adaptation to cinema while staying as true as possible to the original material was _Spider-Man_ (2002). This was apparently because Sam Raimi was a big fan of the source material. Of course, execs had to get involved by the third movie and ended up destroying his plans for it by demanding that it had to have the Venom character included. The reboot of the movies with Andrew Garfield totally departed from the Peter Parker character and made him into the cliche "rebellious youth" character, while changing less important aspects of the story to be more like the comic books (like the web shooters). When Marvel was its own studio run by people from Marvel Comics, it produced much better stuff in general than it has produced since it got taken over by Disney. (By the way, I know that Disney bought the studio just after the release of _Iron Man,_ but all the phase one content was already set by that time.) Of course now you have the 'politically correct/woke' factor slipping into everything as well, which gives the movie executives another target to meet while continuing to ignore fans of the source material.

[@mikedub278]

I just discovered your channel. You are speaking my language

[@ezekielhart3488]

Hit the nail on the head at the end. They know the name will make money cause it is beloved but couldn't give two shits on why it's beloved so they use (like the critical drinker said the best) a conveniently large platform to spread a story (that's shitty) they they want to tell. But are too cowardly and creatively bankrupt to make something authentic cause it will flop

[@MrMetonicus]

While we were selecting people to design this bridge, if they were an Engineer, that was a big Red Flag. We want someone who's never built a bridge before.

[@jeffro12]

I'm so sick of them changing the characters and stories to their liking instead of just sticking to the true source material. Something's gotta give eventually. Also, you looking particularly stunning in this video for some reason. Maybe it's the hair up. Have a good one Melonie Mac!

[@fafnirable1]

I'm more of a fan of Norse Mythology than I am of Thor in comics, so the original 2 movies were enjoyable for me. Once I saw Thor was becoming a joke in Ragnarok, I was already done. They need to just get people who actually fit the position more at this place, the new media is losing fans for them

[@LordBaktor]

Counter argument: Having a massive fan of the source material at the helm gave us arguably the best film adaptation ever in the form of the Lord of the Rings. So to anyone who buys this excuse, I know a Nigerian prince that needs your help with something and is willing to offer a generous compensation.

[@BowsettesFury]

These big companies said years ago this is what they were going to do.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

It's always been obvious to me. I remember watching the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie and it takes place on Xandar yet there's no Nova Corp and you realise over time that they don't know their own characters. They could do so much more with this library of characters if they were hiring people with that knowledge.

[@simon_a.j.7255]

My two cents - Hollywood believes if movie characters had the same exact experiences, personality, appearance, powers, etc. as in the comics, then the movie will only interest a small niche of loyal fans - that would mean less ticket sales and less profit for the movie. Therefore, execs think by hiring directors and writers who are unfamiliar with the original source material will create characters and story lines that would appeal to a broader audience - thus, increasing the profit margin. It's kind of the same mentality that movie directors have when whitewashing non-white comic book characters, because they feel a Caucasian actor will bring in the audience better than a non-white actor.

[@gabesantillana2520]

Throwing away the original Marvel Comics source materials? Stan Lee would have never wanted this! This is an insult to his memory!

[@MistValleyGaming]

This whole discussion, about being force-fed things we don't want in entertainment, reminds me of the great Powerman 5000 song, That's Entertainment.

[@MasterOZero]

They hate that we can make it better than they can.

[@gloriathomas3245]

This is the 19999 continuity so anything goes and I have no issue with. For now the 616 continuity is safe so again I have no issue.

[@J0n4THANOS]

The first Tomb Raider (and especially the 360 remake) is one of my favorite games ever. The one tomb that had all the Greek doors like the one with the swords of Damocles hanging from the ceiling was fantastic level design. That being said, I didn’t hate the Crystal Dynamics games or the Alicia Vikander movie either. Kinda wish that those new Tomb Raider games had more …. Tomb Raiding. 😊

[@calebjones7868]

I loved Thor: Ragnarok but I do recognize that Love and thunder is not as good as Ragnarok or OG Thor was

[@jturner2577]

Thor: Ragnarok while more goofy then the first 2 Thor movies still knew when to take itself seriously, it didn't downplay the overall story like Love and Thunder did.

[@Old-Skull.]

I love how you say ... "cause I'm obsessed" . if you don't mind I'.m going to steal that from you

[@Bryon1187]

I agree completely - it is sad for the industry and us fans.

[@CommDante]

ok, bit drunk ... can't get over why I SO like your curly hairs... prob have one of the most screeghiest voices .. but at least 'doesn't show the twins'...even though cam tries to focus , hehe. tnx for keeping it real. Love to watch your streams for it, keep it uo.