everytime i watch kevin feige making all of the mcu announcement giving me goosebumps. i can listen to this man talking about mcu for hours!!!
@bullymaguire51972 жыл бұрын
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@andy-gamer2 жыл бұрын
@@bullymaguire5197 pizza time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@jeremygeason24232 жыл бұрын
Same
@alexconnor8961 Жыл бұрын
I used too. Now I see a simp telling us he's gonna castrate cool male superheros
@nicholasgarrick75462 жыл бұрын
I still can't believe that phase 4 is already coming to and end, it's insane!
@finbarrsworld Жыл бұрын
Thank God
@KOREATAIWANJAPAN Жыл бұрын
that wasnt even a phase , that was just bad memories
@aldenpadilla1773 Жыл бұрын
Just like phase 1, phase 4 was needed to build up the saga. Half of the phase 1 movies were boring but it was still necessary for character development. Phase 4 seems boring because they started making series but I think it was necessary to be able to show how they are doing in their life and how the world is going whereas in a film you must need a villain to beat.
@Ok12132 Жыл бұрын
@@KOREATAIWANJAPAN phrase 4 is an emotional roller coaster,some are good like Black panther,NWH,Shang Chi,Nut some didn’t make it like she hulk But it was all needed to LINK to the next phrase about The multiverse saga and all the Kang and u need to watch Loki to know it
@reneegeorge23692 жыл бұрын
I was there in 2019 when they announce PHASE 4 its been crazy with pandemic ever since but watching MCU has been the highlight and gotten me thru these crazy uncertain times. Cant wait for PHASE 5 and 6
@soulsreaper7145 Жыл бұрын
the only good things to come from phase 4 was some hulk screen time on she hulk and the multiverse of madness that was cool and the whole scarlet witch movie i loved that as well and loki is amazing as well thats one that the female charcter doesnt feel insanely hollow because her powers/abilities arent just a copy of his there completly her own like yes they can do the same things technically but when they first meet there use of there magic is completly diffrent from the other and at the time neither of them could do what the other did, actually making them feel as though they need each other, which isnt the case for most of the movies i mean looK at hawkeyes kid and the new ant man film that girl literally has her moms or the yellow ones abilities.
@thorinwoods26422 жыл бұрын
The good thing about Daredevil coming out before the Thunderbolts is that they can bring in Wilson Bethel and Elodie Yung as Bullseye and Elektra for the Thunderbolts.
@anasshahid2242 жыл бұрын
yes!! they were the perfect actors for the roles, hope they return :)
@deficitmusic99592 жыл бұрын
Wilson Bethel was incredible
@benmartinus53202 жыл бұрын
@@deficitmusic9959 Some of the best acting in daredevil hands down.
@LBLOCZ2 жыл бұрын
@@deficitmusic9959 wade is da man
@papl202 жыл бұрын
God willing! I really need them back
@darkfaced_gamers82942 жыл бұрын
1:27 - Phase 4 so far 2:16 - She Hulk: Attorney At Law 2:24 - Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 2:51 - Phase 5 3:05 - Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania 3:14 - Secret Invasion 3:21 - Guardians Of The Galaxy: Vol. 3 3:30 - Echo 3:35 - The Marvels 3:39 - Loki Season 2 3:47 - Blade 3:55 - Iron Heart 4:03 - Agatha: Coven Of Chaos 4:13 - Captain America: New World Order 4:33 - Daredevil: Born Again 5:01 - Thunderbolts
@nicholasgarrick75462 жыл бұрын
Daredevil, and thunderbolts gonna rock our world.
@2KILLAVILLE2 жыл бұрын
They better not disnify it..keep it dark, gory & serious
@GingerGeek75672 жыл бұрын
Kevin Feige what a legend every time he announces stuff just chills oh my force phase 5&6 sounds so exciting!!!That was a lot of info to take in when I’m half awake lol!!
@jkeebla2 жыл бұрын
batchest
@nayeebG2 жыл бұрын
Phase 4: 7 movies, 7 shows Phase 5: 6 movies, 6 shows. Man, we are eating GOOD!!!
@azrael_pendragon2 жыл бұрын
Phase 4 tasted quite bad.
@seelfire47252 жыл бұрын
@@azrael_pendragon then dont eat, dont cry
@azrael_pendragon2 жыл бұрын
@@seelfire4725 but I did eat. Now I got diarrhea.
@seelfire47252 жыл бұрын
@@azrael_pendragon true all you say is shit
@ardzzz10102 жыл бұрын
@@azrael_pendragon so nwh tasted bad for you?
@migsubishi2 жыл бұрын
Goosebumps hearing Daredevil!!! 😭
@Ziegdracus2 жыл бұрын
Marvel never disappoints... I'm really looking forward for Phase 5
@alensebi28692 жыл бұрын
Looking for phase 6❤️
@MrJJuK2 жыл бұрын
& Phase 6
@soufian27332 жыл бұрын
Well Phase 4 disappointed me so I’m careful with my excitement this time lol
@tomgu22852 жыл бұрын
@@soufian2733 I literally only watched spiderman no way home and Thor love and thunder. I watched zero shows.
@jayamchess52752 жыл бұрын
@@tomgu2285 shows are better than movies in phase 4
@JasonTylerRicci Жыл бұрын
It's really quite amazing how these films and series can be planned and executed several years in advance. Didn't I hear Kevin has plans on MCU projects going all the way to 2028?! That's incredible. Makes you wonder what's in his head and what he has under lock and key.
@JackCaz2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for doing these vids. Would it be possible to upload the entire panel in one video?
@owlcircus68112 жыл бұрын
I second this if possible
@lonelyone2 жыл бұрын
At the very least, I would like the chronological order of these videos.
@filmsthatrock2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure. Check out the playlist bit.ly/MarvelComicCon2022 in complete chronological order with autoplay you can watch the whole thing straight through
@guacoman8172 жыл бұрын
The fact they put Spider-Man no way in the timeline when originally it wasn’t. Just goes to show that keep an open mind over phase 5 Bc Deadpool and or other fox projects will be released within that time frame. Also we can expect Spider-Mans to show up in secret wars
@ra_loresum2 жыл бұрын
I regret not watching loki's series, wanda & vision and alot of other series/movies in phase 4, now i have go watch all of them 💀💀
@aditisk992 жыл бұрын
Bruh you know everything is connected right? Or you can just watch their summary on KZbin.
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
@@aditisk99 Or just skip them. Them shows suck. Except for Moonknight
@HolyFieldM52 жыл бұрын
@@I-speak-U-shut-it nah I just finished Loki tht shii fire 🔥 💯
@Joshualovespeople2 жыл бұрын
No you don’t
@lillrice272 жыл бұрын
I’d say they’re all worth the watch, just keep low expectations for TFATWS because it was the worst of the Disney+ series
@nayeebG2 жыл бұрын
When a passionate fan is at the head of these movies and shows, you know we are getting great entertainment.
@Jennifer72591 Жыл бұрын
Delusional
@BroPaulSyrel2 жыл бұрын
This is it! Future Films of the mcu in 10 years
@KrazyJake8811 ай бұрын
this aged well 💀
@anasshahid2242 жыл бұрын
What a stacked lineup, the next few years of MCU content is incredible 👏👏👏
@booboo4ever24 Жыл бұрын
Quality over quantity please
@mall20452 жыл бұрын
Phase 5 gonna be crazy💯
@soulsreaper7145 Жыл бұрын
how so?? didnt u hear that the guy doing the blade movie was talking about quiting it because of how off course it is from the orginal blade films.... at this point id be exspecting somthing akin to twilight when u go to seee that movie rather than what u wanted to see which was a genius hunter that also has a conscious and even if there a villian he doesnt like to needlessly torment
@AnkleSnatcher619 Жыл бұрын
I love how faint the clapping was for she hulk 😂
@Reader234 Жыл бұрын
If they would’ve known how bad it actually was they would boo it lol
@jwanie3662 жыл бұрын
As fantastic as this presentation was, I thought there was another MCU movie scheduled for February 2024. Either Kevin intentionally chose to save it for D23 or Disney decided to remove/postpone that release date
I want phase 5 to kick in high gear again just like how i felt. no how WE all felt hyped on Infinity Saga. lately i felt burned out in superheroes movies and tv shows in general. it lack something that i haven't felt before. and i really hope this will turn alot of heads once again. make US care again for our heroes marvel. make me care again.
@lonelyone2 жыл бұрын
I noticed in the Marvel 2022 playlist, there are 11 videos, but 4 are set to private. I'm curious which ones these are since I'm trying to watch them in order.
@filmsthatrock2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why its showing that. There were duplicates im tying to erase the other 4 but the 7 are in chornological order
@lonelyone2 жыл бұрын
@@filmsthatrock Oh okay, so there are only 7 videos in total? Thanks!
@Kalkicinematicunivers2 жыл бұрын
Being subscribed for 3 years finally paid off😅
@tammy60152 жыл бұрын
I’ve been an MCU fan since the first Iron Man but I’m slowly starting to realize that I’m not as interested anymore. I’m not saying it’s bad but I feel like MCU have come to a point where I HAVE to watch ALL the shows just to keep up with the latest one not because I want to.
@onamattapeeya2 жыл бұрын
So I guess that means you weren't a comic book person, considering that's how comic books are written,
@onamattapeeya2 жыл бұрын
Especially during the '90s, they were really bad about telling the story in a way that you have to go buy a bunch of back issues to catch up, it's strange that I like movies based on comic books but I'm not big on comic books themselves, I'm just not a fan of the format, in fact when I do read a comic it's a trade paperback where you have the whole story in a single book
@onamattapeeya2 жыл бұрын
Also other forms of entertainment do the same thing such as pro wrestling and soap operas,
@cttlovesmovies15992 жыл бұрын
I’m with you. Also phase 1-3 built its way through stones and new characters until Endgame. The structure was easier to follow. Step by step. Even when some films were not in chronological order, it worked. Phase 4 was not easy to keep up with. I feel that all the most important information in each series could have been told in one or two films and not in several episodes. Wanda vision and Loki and even Falcon and the Snowman could have been individual films (perhaps a part one and two) Marvel has become a tool for Disney to populate and plug their cable channel.
@kaineshigaraki52532 жыл бұрын
Same. I was always at the early midnight viewings for all the MCU films. It slowed down after Black Panther. It was just becoming too much to keep up with all the super hero content. After Endgame, I was like, I’m good. I could use a break from these worlds. I hardly ever watch the shows. I don’t watch all the movies. It’s too much. [>
@matthewlewis5272 жыл бұрын
Love that Charlie cox is back with daredevil
@EverlastingEclipses2 жыл бұрын
*CAN'T WAIT FOR PHASE 6 AND AVENGERS 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
@soulsreaper7145 Жыл бұрын
i mean whos even gonna be on the team? for most of the charcters now, theres a female copy and in some of there charcters situations like tony stark his is completly replaced now with that girl from the wakanda film the one in the new ironman suit also they comptlely changed her charcers back story and not for the better in my opinion, her old backstory was that she stole and found all the armor peices or i think she stole a suit then reversed engineered it for it to be her own.
@EverlastingEclipses Жыл бұрын
@@soulsreaper7145 ITS GONNA BE LIKE FEMALE CAPTAIN SOMETHING WILL BE LIKE "Avengers Assemble!" and be like ALL FEMALE HEROES BE FLYIN IN LIKE "Yerr~~" but no . hmm jokes aside, Kevin did say that he said, during the next four years of buildup to Avengers 5, he said that it will not only blow our mind and take us by crazy surprise but he said it will be much much much crazier and better and super awesomer than avengers 4 endgame. so lots of speculation but the most probable thing people are saying is that next avengers will have all the characters or most of all the characters from Fox Xmen like Hugh Jackman etc etc + plus all the spidermans "tobey+andrew+tom holland" and even Tony Stark again (they say another earth or something) and basically every marvel characters from movies. will be joining new avengers.
@discod9922 жыл бұрын
Really getting impatient for X-Men
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
Ikr Like wtf. BUT WAIT Deadpool 3 might be the movie that kicks off the X-Men in the MCU!!! Wade is an X-Men character. Colossus is in it. Nega Sonic is in it. They've done an XForce team in part 2. They revealed Professor X's mansion. His X jet many times. And who know what else Marvel has in store for Deadpool 3. We might be getting the entire team of the X-Men in it soon
@windghost22 жыл бұрын
@@I-speak-U-shut-it But we got the reveal that Kamala is a mutant in the last episode of Ms. Marvel. So she's the first of the new mutants in the MCU.
@xLucTV2 жыл бұрын
Will you upload the whole panel? Please!
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
There's a second vid of the phase 6 on same channel
@omarstone46372 жыл бұрын
The way they screamed at daredevil announcement and
@omarstone46372 жыл бұрын
@@I-speak-U-shut-it don’t pressure me I’m thinking
@ParisHughes2 жыл бұрын
Peep how Fiege didn't even mention Love and Thunder. Lol
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
Ikr Even he knows that movie was trash lol I just love it how he mentioned No Way Home, Moonknight but immediately skips Trash Love Thunder and jumped to the She Hulk show 😂 Honestly. They should've never made Trash Love Thunder. They should've been given Beta Ray Bill his own movie in that Trash Love Thunder's place
@aazamben2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe Kavin Feige said, "it's marveling time." So cool
@REaDComicsau2 жыл бұрын
I love the awesome feeling of these comic con panels. I can listen to Kevin talk forever.
@donnyyasu27642 жыл бұрын
Ugh, it feels good man. It feels good.
@owensnoap94372 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness Ant-Man and the WASP Quantum Mania
@MrJJuK2 жыл бұрын
Kevin is the 🐐
@lagendrai65532 жыл бұрын
I want to see thor 5 in phase 5 😍😍😍😍
@2KILLAVILLE2 жыл бұрын
Fuck no
@aimanhalim37402 жыл бұрын
KEVIN FEIGE CHILL!!!!
@Jaspieces2 жыл бұрын
why did you guys cut the thunderbolts scene?
@volebien2 жыл бұрын
so phase 5 will be pretty much like phase 4 with introduction of new characters and combos. Phase 6 will probably where everything big takes place. Then phase 7 will be about mutants.
@RtsFps12 жыл бұрын
18 Episodes for Daredevil. I'm excited and scared at the same time. I hope there isn't a lot of fluff
@rabronin2 жыл бұрын
So we're getting 4 movies and 4 shows again next year... Quantity >>> Quality 🙄
@KS-dk9cd2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find your comment... I agree! I think the last few Marvel movies have been mediocre at best. There's too many shows clogging up the mix just so they can sell more Disney+ subs! They are definitely going for quantity over quality.
@rabronin2 жыл бұрын
@@KS-dk9cd All in an effort to compete with Amazon 😒
@TanveerAhmed-dk3rp Жыл бұрын
4 movies is fine. They did this in phase 3 (2017) too
@BEINGRIDHI232 жыл бұрын
Years are running like thanos snapping the fingers just like that
@revanthkandregula77752 жыл бұрын
Daredevil 🔥🔥
@tomgu22852 жыл бұрын
I just want a sentry movie 😑. Why doesn't it exit 😔?
@xXNP4CNuclearXx2 жыл бұрын
Don't ask questions just consume product and get excited for next product
@argeltuazon5059 Жыл бұрын
Ain't this embarrassing now? Movies, Series being pushed and Ant man and the wasp quantumania is awful. Phase 5 is a dumpster fire!
@explunky2 жыл бұрын
lmfaooooo echo got the least applause
@epictextingstories54602 жыл бұрын
They have to calm down with the amount of movies they're making. Like 3-5 projects a year is too much and clearly the quality of Marvel movies in terms of writing is decreasing. Maybe like 1-2 projects a year would be better. I mean I'm still a bit excited for all of these but I'm just saying
@Spiritdoh2 жыл бұрын
The reason they are making more a year now is because of Disney plus and people have more strength to just watch a movie on their phone instead of going to the movie theater 3-5 times a year and end up spending more money and time
@epictextingstories54602 жыл бұрын
@@Spiritdoh Makes sense but that doesn't change my opinion. The new movies are definitely not as good as the old ones
@Spiritdoh2 жыл бұрын
@@epictextingstories5460 I agree 100%, only good movies this year were Shang-Chi and Spider-Man NWH
@aditisk992 жыл бұрын
@@Spiritdoh Both were released last year.
@shannond74372 жыл бұрын
I kind of liked closing phases with big Avenger size movies.
@Развлекательныйквадрат2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome and interesting great 5 phase in MCU official up coming to here in movie.Kevin Fiegie you're well done and good prisedent in Marvel!
@eliporter39802 жыл бұрын
I'm just now catching up on all the phase 4 movies thanks to disney+.
@Reader234 Жыл бұрын
In 2023 looking back…… Phase 4: awful Phase 5: Half of the phase has been delayed and pushed back
@ricktheruler1665 Жыл бұрын
Such a random line up but I can see where it going very interesting
@conorobrien9161 Жыл бұрын
The sequel to captain marvel is really on November 10 of this year
@moxplastic2 жыл бұрын
thank you for the vids
@giobaldonado19912 жыл бұрын
KEVIN FEIGI THE GOAT!!!
@july.kai85172 жыл бұрын
HOLY Shi I can’t wait
@reneegeorge2369 Жыл бұрын
So many haters, but I enjoyed Phase 4 they really setting the stage for even more great things to come
@conorobrien5953 ай бұрын
4:48 thunderbolts* is scheduled in may 2025
@Cody-et5xz Жыл бұрын
Gotta be so many disappointed people in this comment section
@thatoneguychad4202 жыл бұрын
Where's the full video? I don't want to watch several clips.
@veronicavelez98732 жыл бұрын
18 episodes of daredevil yessssss
@shekharverma73159 ай бұрын
kavin fiege need to release 2 movie and 1 series in every month some buddy tells to marvel studio and, dc also zeck snyder make his dc studio alone with his friends ❤
@Goodbrew842 жыл бұрын
Should introduce him as the One Above All
@ivpt2 жыл бұрын
So nothing we didn't know of?
@latifzaman8302 жыл бұрын
What surprises me that in the mcu, theres stlll no indication the goverments of earth never tried to venture into interplanetary business deals with other planets.. despite knowing aliens exists
@uinagings2 жыл бұрын
Thunderbolts seems cool....
@sergeantb7082 жыл бұрын
he reiterates 18 episodes as if every series in the 90's wasn't around 24-26 episodes per season standard
@@SubhrajyotiAcharyyaDSB yeah but I'm scared if they ruin it
@seelfire47252 жыл бұрын
@@azrael_pendragon nah they wont. disney+ has planty of brutal series. it being 18 episodes clearly shows its not the typical marvel disney+ show but rather a classiv tv show
@ebraheemfredericks57362 жыл бұрын
Daredevil should be on that
@azrael_pendragon2 жыл бұрын
@@seelfire4725 good. But what about the appearance in Shehulk
@ajeshbenny59552 жыл бұрын
Blade🔥🔥🔥
@2KILLAVILLE2 жыл бұрын
Hope they dont disnify it..keep that shit Dark, Gore & serious as it should be
@cunnodunno52242 жыл бұрын
Now that Kevin 5G has said
@jamiesmithvox2 жыл бұрын
Hi I’m Kevin Fiege president of Marcel Studios and Adult man in a baseball cap
@stoneyvision47752 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that’s wondering what happened to Armor Wars?
@CAPTAINTANNEE2 жыл бұрын
Probably phase 6,canceled, or mixed with ironheart
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
Ikr Like tf. We need to know what the government is up to. Knowing them sneaky bastards has been wanting to steal Tony's suit since phase 1.
@MandoMTL2 жыл бұрын
Consume product. Get excited for next product.
@sayamadhikari85052 жыл бұрын
I think marvel has started to grow but the lack of seriousness has made it lose to DC
@Tamotoji2 жыл бұрын
Am I heard right that Kevin Feige said Blade shooting in Vietnam???
@globesnow6377 Жыл бұрын
phase 4 was so horrible it’s laughable and now they gone ruin Daredevil 🤦🏾♂️
@lukeyznaga76272 жыл бұрын
Cap America movie or show is ALL...THE....WAY....BACK...to 2024. By that time, i will be an old man.
@69fyd Жыл бұрын
MARVEL CINEMATIC PASE PASE 1 1) Iron Man 2) The Incredible Hulk 3) Iron Man 2 4) Thor 5) Captain America: The First Avengers 6) The Avengers PASE 2 1) Iron Man 3 2) Thor: The Dark World 3) Captain America: The Winter Soldier 4) Guardians of the Galaxy 5) Avengers: Age of Ultron 6) Ant - Man PASE 3 1) Captain America: Civil var 2) Doctor Strange 3) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 4) Spider - Man: Homecoming 5) Thor: Ragnarok 6) Black Panther 7) Avengers: Infinitiy War 8) Ant - Man: And the Wasp 9) Captain Marvel 10) Avengers: Endgame 11) Spider - Man: Far From Home PASE 4 1) Wanda Vision 2) The Falcon and The Winter Soldier 3) Loki 4) Black Widow 5) Shang - Chi: The Legend of the Ten Rings 6) Eternals 7) Hawkeye 8) Spider - Man: No Way Home 9) Moon Knight 10) Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness 11) Ms.Marvel 12) Thor: Love and Thunder 14) She - Hulk: Attorney at Law 15) Black Panther: Wakanda Forever PASE 5 1) Ant - Man & The Wasp: Quantumania 2) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 3) Secret Invasion 4) The Marvels 5) Loki (2 season) 6) Echo 7) Blade 8) Iron Heart 9) Agatha: Coven of Chaos 10) Daradevil: Born Again 11) Captain America: Brave New World 12) Thunderbolts PASE 6 1) Untitled Movie 2) Fantastik four 3) Untitled Movie 4) Untitled Movie 5) Untitled Movie 6) Untitled Movie 7) Untitled Movie 8) Avengers: The Kang Dynasty 9) Untitled Movie 10) Untitled Movie 11) Avengers: Secret Wars
@tooflystory9422 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Captain America New World Order....!!! Yeahhh..! But, wait.... NEW WORLD ORDER? of course illuminati exist..
@cable71522 жыл бұрын
Did Armor Wars with Don Cheadle get pulled? I hope not, but they didn't even mention it.
@GrandpaHerman12 жыл бұрын
It’s all matrix sequels since infinity war.
@owensnoap94372 жыл бұрын
Oh Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 oh yeah baby
@furaichickendb1382 жыл бұрын
Is armor wars not happening? Maybe they replaced it with iron heart instead? Wonder if that’s the case as I don’t see them doing two shows about Ironman spin-offs so close to each other
@thomasbell84512 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I think, Rhodey will be going around taking out criminlals who have stole Tony’s tech and then will let Ironheart keep hers so she can join Young Avengers.
@ardzzz10102 жыл бұрын
it will probably be announce in d23 along with wonder man, scarlet witch movie and spider-man 4 hopefully
@magnabeast882 жыл бұрын
I think it will be part of phase 6
@Jonas-ej7id2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to consoom
@sheetalgodbole61672 жыл бұрын
What about guardians of the galaxy holiday special
@laslolazarus18842 жыл бұрын
Why is it that punisher has to debut in daredevil ?
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
Because él es una gran hamburguesa y papas fritas arroz cucarachas y pantera negra y boo ja ja ja olvídalo no lo sé pero es tan divertido que trataste de entender lo que dije
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
English isn't my first language. You might need a translator if you don't understand Espanol
@GolDFish-of4qs2 жыл бұрын
Im here for the morbius saga 😡
@I-speak-U-shut-it2 жыл бұрын
Same😠
@sgtleehead2 жыл бұрын
Films that rock - Is this irony?. In any effect - watching this is like watching effluence going down a sewerage trap.