Marvel Rivals & Overwatch can exist separately... | OW2 Hot Takes #58

[@1oviedo632]

marvel fans under every overwatch post like “hmm how can i make this about marvel rivals”

[@gentlemankaiju1997]

It blows my mind how many people who clearly don't play Overwatch want to see it crumble. The Honeymoon phase of Marvel rivals will end in a couple of months and then you'll see more clearly the merits and blatant faults of both titles.

[@viktoryc]

Agreed

[@bakad5458]

You fail to mention many of those people were once big Overwatch fans. They’re just not putting up with OW2 and all it’s faults anymore. They literally only made OW2 to get rid of lootboxes and sell skins for way too high a price. It was just a plain and simple cash grab there is no refuting that. A big middle finger to all of it’s players. And not only that they got rid of 6v6 for literally no reason, they literally LIED about PvE, and for what? Money. Now they’re “bringing back 6v6” but they’re not. It’s just bait to bring back some of their player base every now and then with these “tests”. They know majority likes 6v6 more which is why they’re not gonna fully revert it until they REALLY need to. Rivals may not be perfect but it’s faults are nowhere as bad compared to OW2 and it’s scummy management.

[@Crimson7Qrow]

@@bakad5458Bravo this guy gets it 👏🏻

[@RacingSnails64]

Just started playing Rivals last night and it's much slower with not as much depth as OW (from what I can tell so far). It's got some cool heroes but also a mostly dps roster just like OW lol. Supposedly it's got better monetization than OW but as a game itself I don't get the hype.

[@superhero6502]

@@RacingSnails64it doesn’t have better monetization it’s the same as ow, people are just glazing

[@ayo3181]

Careful, Marvel glazers can sense Overwatch content 100 miles away

[@devine5902]

Hot take: Marvel rivals will make the devs get off their asses and stop giving as skins as “content”

[@1oviedo632]

the millionth time ive heard this take

[@ni9274]

What is Rivals doing differently ? It's pretty clear from their first events and all the leaks that they will release tons of skins.

[@kirikosimp]

why can't 2 goats coexist😞

[@RacingSnails64]

I absolutely hate how payload/hybrid works in comp. If team 2 gets the payload to the end of the map faster (or further than team 1), that should be match end. I almost aways get 3-3 too and it's such a waste of time. Seriously what's the point of the first two rounds if they don't even decide who wins or loses? The only mobility option they should ever give Ana is a simple ledge vault like Doom 2016 has. Not a full wall climb, just if she can *almost* vault a ledge she pulls herself the rest of the way up. I'd enjoy seeing how it'd play out as it wouldn't give her crazy escape routes, but I don't think she *needs* it. Hopefully it'd be a QOL change if anything.

[@MatI-cc6ld]

Peopl are forgeting why double shields was annoying asf ... 1: 2cp 2: orisas shield shape 3: Brigitte bastiin and bap .... all of those problems basically did get addressed or changed but now we have juno and kuri that give teams more value from diving

[@superhero6502]

7:20 i mean i also blame streamers like flats and a few others for stoking the flames and pretty much completely ignoring OW and constantly talking badly about it, especially flats who keeps comparing both games and dunking on OW every chance he gets which riles up his fanbase and keeps the “MR good OW trash” narrative going around online.

[@MarcusSinlak]

This is the problem. So many have been hypocritical talking about Rivals and OW and saying that both games have their own sets of players and not needing to compare them so people can enjoy whichever game they want. Then they're immediately on the trash talking and clickbait game to stoke fires that aren't needed. Flats being a big prime example, even though I enjoy his stuff, where he said people shouldn't bother comparing and then goes straight to causing problems.

[@superhero6502]

@@MarcusSinlak yup, like not even covering anything season 14 related, and everytime someone asks him about a new update he says “i don’t give a shit”, “i couldn’t care less”, “i have 0 desire to play the game”… all of which is fair but they need to stop acting like they aren’t part of the problem. the 6v6 test began and not a single streamer besides karq and ml7 actually gave their insights on the test, the rest either played for less than an hour and didn’t give their thoughts or completely ignored it which is shocking to me because it’s such an important topic for the future of the game. just an overall bad time for someone like me that doesn’t enjoy MR content but can’t find any OW content to consume outside playing the game myself lol

[@jamesstrain1631]

@@superhero6502 If you're looking for a youtube streamer that enjoys overwatch and covers overwatch I suggest masteriangamer

[@TinyLokiGaming]

Love how you name flats but not eemong or karq, people who play with him all the time and give similar insights.

[@superhero6502]

@@TinyLokiGaming emong and karq have both played season 14 and still post ow videos, and they don’t constantly flame OW and compare it to MR and say MR is the better game… so what’s your point?

[@AuT0maTe1]

In terms of the "uniqueness" of characters in marvel rivals I'd say yes for the characters themselves but not so much for a lot of how their ability's work like Black Widow being made a sniper character was clearly them wanting to have their own version of Widow as in the comics Black Widow is more a nimble close to mid range character that would be utilizing movement and short range projectiles from her wrist blasters if anything she should be more a mashup of sombra and tracer lol. I also dont like how so many of the projectiles in Rivals to me just feel like Kiriko, I dont have a problem with Kiri I just feel projectiles are more interesting and varied in OW. I honestly feel like with a lot of the characters in Rivals the devs just looked at overwatch and mashed up a load of kits from it.

[@PumPuum]

Hot take: Unlike what most people predict, 6v6 will end up becoming the main format for OW2 and 5v5 will slowly fade out of existence

[@arihohru]

Would be the best outcome fr

[@Shortstop803]

As much as this would be a dream come true, it’ll never happen. First, the sunk cost fallacy will prevent blizzard from putting the necessary resources into the game to truly swap it over, the DPS player base will riot once their queue times spike back up and likely quit the game, too much of the community now identifies with 5v5 over 6v6 and would likely quit the game if we reverted back, but there is no guarantee 6v6 brings back the old die hards. Additionally, this test has been horribly timed during the rivals release and likely won’t have the player count necessary to convince them. 6v6 is clearly the better mode for the type of game OW is, but going 5v5 was likely blizzards point of no return they’ll never truly swap back.

[@arihohru]

@@Shortstop803 I feel like rivals success will open their eyes - 5v5 homogenised overwatch making it slower and more like a traditional shooter, it took the sauce out the game, where rivals has that fun chaotic nature So far I’ve actually had better queue times in 6v6 Overwatch, but not only that, it’s just so much more fun! I really really hope they swallow their pride and bring it back permanently 😭

[@ardiandes112]

If it does we still won’t have 2 tanks, even if this is the whole point of most whiners, they’ll keep being OTP genjis and get mad about queues

[@dexter_F]

You may have better experience in 6v6 as you play as a group. As a solo queue player I will stick to 5v5 until end of days.

[@lesarchivesdeval8477]

1:45 I can actually answer that question because i took the habit of recording all my ranked games results since season 12 of OW1 (don't call me crazy, i'm already aware i am). Anyway, during the last season (13 of OW2), i played 27 Hybrid maps and out of that, only 2 went to 3-3 : one Draw and one Loss 3-4 and i remember we had a second round for both team. Fun fact, both games were on Numbani.

[@m.artifex2001]

2:34 for this take, it would feel awful if you attacked second and pushed all the way just to find out you didn't do it fast enough and now you lose by technicality

[@ardiandes112]

Yes, I agreed at first with the hot take, but that was enough for me to turn, Karq made an excellent point

[@NotRealyInterested]

the mobility creep is REALLY what made overwatch 2 a worse version of overwatch

[@Redshift_Studios]

Hot take: The Community Crafted version of Sombra was the most fun she was ever to play and play against and they should add this version to the main game. She will definitely need a nerf on the movement speed because that was too fast (it was over the speed cap) and she doesn't need her translocator to go as far as it did in the game mode, but having a larger detection radius that is in her effective range helps a lot with the frustrations of going against her and still allows her to sneak up on people without allowing her to spawn camp. Also it will help her deal with widow better than her current version.

[@Redshift_Studios]

ngl TQQ cooked with some of their changes in that mode

[@aceclop]

I love the long hybrid fights

[@reillysmith2934]

I for one am waiting for Marvel Rivals to last 6 more years. Overwatch has at least shown longevity from its community pleading for consistency with the IP. Marvel has anything BUT a consistent legacy to 90% of folk.

[@viktoryc]

I know both MR and OW are hero shooters but they feel completely different for me. Just the perspective change makes me play either game for different reasons. But i also think playing games like Valorant made me much more appreciative of the currency system in OW while a ton of people hate it. Like being able to get a skin for free at ALL is a game changer compared to Valorant where youre paying 20 dollars on average per skin, and there are no "free skins" even the recolors you play like 10 dollars for.

[@benkai9921]

There are free skins in val, they're just ass and only for handguns

[@viktoryc]

@benkai9921 handguns, and those skins take forever to get. I was moreso talking about guns you mostly use like Vandal or Phantom.

[@benkai9921]

@@viktoryc I don't think people really hate ow monetization, it's pretty much in the average for a live service game, we hate the circumstances around ow monetization shift. The content drought before the switch to seasons, the paywalling of previously obtainable skins, the 20 bucks skins in the shop and battlepasses while not really being a "new" game. Anyone who bought ow1 essentially got shafted. A large portion seem to switch to MR out of spite when the game has the exact same monetization as ow2 (minus the ultra premium mythics to push fomo even more).

[@erikstark16]

I feel like a lot of comp matches last too long. I start to feel exhausted after just a few games. So I mainly stick to QP

[@necrolord7871]

5:37 Look at the amount of TOP500 Lucio's vs. Kiri, Tada

[@crystaleater2581]

I would steal how payload works in rivals for ow

[@abygaellepatient7015]

What you said about Marvel Rivals succeeding is my point exactly, I hope it succeeds in order to pump OW2 executives to do better because people now have an other game to play that’s similar. Loved your comments thank you

[@asssssssssdawdadw]

10:40 i mean if a otp doesn't synergize with you because you only play 1 or 2 heroes... you're basically an otp yourself or a slightly more flexible otp, you don't really have the right to complain that someone else is a otp. if the enemy team switches because they flex and are proficient to the otp's counters, and no one on your team can cover for your otp's weakness, then of course the enemy team should win

[@konsrt]

Hot take: buff genji

[@SnoozeSSB]

I’m lowkey seeing some people put him at S tier and A tier for hero tier list (big content creator coaches)

[@fudodgaming]

I'm a Brig OTP since OW2 S6 and played her now for more than 800h. I love to OTP her, to adapt to my team, but i got much hate from all sides. It 's hard, but this is strategy for me. To use my cd's wisely and don't spam everytime. I don't need to think which is now the best support for my team or in this situation, and i don't care what my team wants to play. I need to adapt my playstyle to my team and they to my. And everyone needs to adapt the own playstyle to their team, doesn't matter what they play.

[@Ziluette]

Did you ever play 2018 brig? 💀

[@yojuei]

i dont think marvel rivals has boring characters, however personally i prefer overwatch because they're crafted to fit into the game and world they've built, rivals has different characters coming from different universes. personally am just tired of the multiverse trope atp but i still love both games, just prefer ow world and characters

[@Krivoruchka]

6:55 It's kinda funny because I actually don't play OW that much, like once or twice a month maybe? I just like hearing people disscusing game balance and other stuff in a calm informative manner even if I don't play those games.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

Rivals is super overrated, People keep acting like its the Overwatch killer but it's not, it just came out not long ago and that is why people are so in love with it, once some time passes they'll start complaining and see the faults once the rose tinted glasses come off. Both are fun, both are enjoyable and both can exist but saying Rivals is so good that it'll end overwatch is a massive lie,it won't, If anything Rivals being out should make OW want to improve and vis versa. The people who "Quit" Overwatch for MR are lying to themselves to. "I'm done with OW" then they back on there next day.

[@FelonOW]

i might be the minority but ive played OW since release and since MR released i havent booted up OW once. I do agree that the honeymoon phase needs to pass a little more but so far im having a blast with rivals !

[@uzuvibe5420]

I’ll probably never ever play overwatch ever again i truthfully dont think there’s anything they can do to fix that chunk that left. Overwatch could’ve been so much more, I hope nothing but the best for overwatch as a whole one of the first games I really can think damn I loved this. But with all the bad decisions and radio silence people got older I got older, and people feel scorned by ow. And this is how people react, it’s sad both games have their merits and I truly don’t think any side should be fighting. But realistically you’re not going against marvel rivals fans I’m not saying they aren’t fans of marvel rivals a lot are I am too, but you’re going against overwatch fans, you can’t convince me they don’t have love for overwatch still I do too, despite everything I do. But I wouldn’t ever play the game again I played at a high level for years even did locals. I don’t openly shit on the game for no reason, but if someone asked me if overwatch 2 is better than marvel rivals no. Marvel rivals is infinitely better, ow2 started off in the worst way imaginable, marvel rivals has potential to never let that happen, but I don’t think any game ever can do what overwatch did in its prime when the developers actually understood what made overwatch, overwatch, no game is close to that. But I agree I think people shouldn’t fight and strive for the games to be as best as possible. I think that’s the best outcome

[@uzuvibe5420]

⁠@@FelonOWI had the same sentiments despite how advocated for 6v6 I didn’t even play the test yet. I think it might be too late for me, but I do heard it’s good which is a nice thing. I’ve been loving marvel rivals my favorite hero since I was a kid was always magik so I’m very happy she’s in the game, she is tricky to play but she’s super satisfying

[@FelonOW]

@@uzuvibe5420 yup we also have to take into account that rivals took a lot of bad lessons overwatch learned and fixed them before the game released. Ill always love OW but rivals is too fun rn. Kinda shitty they decided to do the 6v6 playtest right when rivals dropped because its going to skew the data they can get from the playtest. Keep on dropping those portal demons and enjoying magik !

[@chasestruck8962]

Hot take: Now this is a random idea I thought of but, what is the reason Overwatch characters are slightly more Interesting is due to their story’s not being full told? For an example, if you wanna know why strange has the power of the dark arts, boom found instantly online, maybe why his cape seems alive, doom found instantly. Meanwhile you have questions for overwatch characters like what happened to the jet that almost killed Hazard, no true answer yet thus you actually get to speculate and theorize coming to your own conclusion which is much more fun than just having it shoved down your throat. Also it doesn’t help that some characters are still tied to the sinking ship that is the MCU making their characters worse and worse (I’m looking at you smart hulk).

[@archie.archer]

So u basically saying that in ow you can made up your own canon, but in mr you can’t because you can search online (also you may not search and it wouldn’t be “shoved down your throat”? That is kinda meh take

[@chasestruck8962]

@ well it’s the simple fact of interpretation and theorizing, until it’s answer you will always have a differing cannon for some things than I will. In MR it’s a “from what I’ve been given in the game I think this-“, “nope, you’re wrong”, “but this and this point to that-“, “retcon/story reinvention”. The marvel story’s have been said and done multiple times over with a good amount of repeating itself, which is honestly dull when you think of it.

[@chasestruck8962]

@ though even though I am attempting to make a counter argument I understand that is your opinion thus by nature you’re correct since it is your option. And thank you for stating that, I feel like people love saying their opinion as fact thus it’s a relief to have someone mention it since even this is just my opinion.

[@ni9274]

@@archie.archer In OW you can theorize about the lore and that drive community engagement, OW also comes up with new characters and new stories while Marvel Rivals characters already exists and already have their own story. You don't see anyone talking about the lore of Marvel Rivals and you don't see anyone really talking about the characters and how they interact, meanwhile people are constantly talking about this in OW

[@The_CrackFox]

I don't like marvel rivals for the simple reason that it doesn't allow my hybrid controls. Accessibility should not be optional in game development and is one of the reasons I have stuck with overwatch. I might have loved rivals but i will never find out unless they add the option.

[@olivebandit4401]

Trueeeee sigma mirror is the most fun matchup in the game

[@matthewbrears2129]

Well yeah, the same as OW and Paladins existing separately.

[@jrgmen]

I’m tired of hearing about Widow in both KarQ’s hot take and suggestion box videos

[@kemsatofficial]

Rivals is only competition to Overwatch if Rivals decides to make the game terrible & cater to the competitive crowd. Otherwise, the competitive crowd will just move on/back to other games.

[@R_sewisely]

The "competitive crowd" grows around literally any game where you play against other players.

[@Umbreon_932]

Im the thumbnail 💪💪💪

[@burkhardt7694]

6:56. That's not a hot take it's facts

[@elliepuppyy]

bring widow back to 175 health

[@cakes-r-great9111]

Hot Take: The monthly balance changes are too much for the average player to keep track of. Someone who plays and enjoys a hero(s) may be completely confused when their hero(s) are rebalanced/reworked as they are not watching videos or reading patch notes. Not everyone is hooked into the nitty gritty of this game and it feels like Blizzard does a poor job communicating to everyone large changes to heros if they don't go out of their way to find out these things

[@damon6086]

You weren't there when they didn't release patches months at a time in OW1. People would get so mad because they played the exact same game for months. Trust me, you want those monthly balances.

[@MarinaInChains]

the average player isn't keeping track of balance patches

[@damon6086]

@@MarinaInChains That's why they go to streamers to look at balance changes and they give their take whether it's good or not.

[@rxydeafoz]

Please post more rivals content 😁

[@hoolly]

if you trashtalk overwatch you will get more views - just simple as that Which Heroes have more personality and uniqueness ingame? Not in comics, movies or something else - Overwatch or Rivals?