UNIVERSE 7 SHOULD BE DESTROYED! | A Dragonball Discussion

Should Universe 7 be destroyed? Dragon Ball Super has truly thrown the universal cat amongst the pigeons! 28 CIVILISED PLANETS IN UNIVERSE 7?! The Supreme Kai and Beerus have been slacking off! You might think that's unfair...but actually, it's perfectly understandable why our universe should be annihilated! Let's discuss whether that viewpoint is justifiable!
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[@MasakoX]

EDIT: In my excitement during today's video, I wrongly stated that angels 'die' along with their god of destruction. They don't 'die', they become dormant...in normal circumstances. However, in the Trunks' timeline, since no replacement gods were sought, the angels were effectively 'dead'.

[@shinuyashami5595]

MasakoX 'Angels die along with their angels'

[@CasualFox12495]

Would you mind doing a part 2 of this with a What If Supreme Kai stepped in on Freeza? I feel like The F Man is somewhat responsible for U 7's predicament.

[@Sturm364]

I'd like to point out that, although there are indeed many races, nowhere is it specified that each race has their own planet. What Shin says is that there are 28 planets with life, but we don't know if a planet holds several different life forms.

[@eminbobbytorlakovicbobby1715]

AceTrainer Ryan Berrus destroyed a lot of planets too which probably had life

[@Jord229]

"angels die along with their angel" Damn it Masako, you even rushed the explantion on the thing that was rushed :P

[@farhanmirza1950]

frieza destroyed every planet that showed potential Beerus destroyed every planet with crappy food. Buu just destroyed.

[@anomalocaris2593]

Yea it really makes sense about the low number.

[@colingrimm319]

I would just destroy the cook

[@colingrimm319]

Id destroy a planet for fair reasons no signs of potential or a proper civilization

[@turbohawk551]

Farhan Farhan Mirza not to mention the havoc caused by the Siyans

[@frohawkmaster]

Im still waiting to find out that Buu was created by Beerus in a attempt to not have to do his job.

[@francesco8000]

So King Kai is the only competent god being in universe 7? After all he did his job by training goku and avoided the destruction of earth and Namek.

[@quqbalam5089]

Pretty much. The other four Kais seem rather lousy at their job. Heck, one can thank King Kai for pretty much being the one who took out Freeza. It's amazing he hasn't played that card to glorify himself.

[@seandobbins2231]

True and Namek isn't even in North Galaxy.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

Francesco true king kai did his job

[@Nyrufa]

Kami is also competent, as he personally tried to stop Piccolo and Garlic Jr. from conquering the planet.

[@iRazenrak]

For a few hundred years, Kami let King Piccolo rampage because he was tired of humanity. As for King Kai, while he does train anyone who can reach his planet, one does need to be able to have a high enough power level to do it. Goku was around 400 without weights, and aside from Namekians, there are no good guys with high enough power levels. King Kai can only exclusively cater to the Z Team in the North Galaxy because no one is powerful enough to get through Snake Way (and is also good enough to keep their body).

[@Digman2012]

I have to say, Universe 7 has been dealt a pretty bad hand. Over 5 million years ago, Bibidi and Buu completely ravaged the universe, killed four Supreme Kais, and were only stopped by Shin luckily catching Bibidi before he could release Buu again. I have no doubt Buu destroyed hundreds if not thousands of civilizations in his "heyday". Presumably around 50-75 years ago, King Cold started the PTO. No, not because Frieza was having trouble in school, this isn't that kind of PTO, but because he wanted to get rich by selling planets. Frieza had conquered around 80 planets (at least), and King Cold probably had a solid number of planets himself. That's also not counting the planets that they destroyed for funsies, or the planets that they had wiped out and sold to other civilizations. Remember, the civilizations that the PTO sold to often had destroyed their previous planet, it's likely they would destroy the next as well. Even though the Frieza Force survived, the PTO was effectively dissolved by Trunks killing its two leaders. It's likely there was a huge power struggle in the Universe to fill the vacuum left by Frieza and his dad. Even more civilizations were wiped out in what I can only assume was a very large intergalactic war that we never got to see. And as for those that destroyed their planet after Frieza was killed? Well, good luck buying another one. On top of that, Kid Buu returned and traveled the galaxy using Instant Transmission, destroying who knows how many populated worlds before finally coming to Goku and Vegeta. Shin should have definitely gotten involved with Frieza once Beerus refused to destroy him, even if he was busy tracking down Majin Buu and Babidi. Furthermore, Beerus should have gotten involved with Majin Buu from the start!

[@Land_Of_The_Cliffs]

Digman14 Thank You! I was waiting for someone to remember this.

[@justan324]

yea i totally agree plus for all we know there could be PTO remnants out there still causing trouble as well like new factions and such

[@devontasykes8227]

Digman14 thx you

[@carlrood4457]

The problem is that 28 worlds seriously limits the number of customers Cold and Freeza would have. The business model would fall apart very quickly

[@justan324]

thats how many there are as of super, there is no telling how many there was during dragon ball or even before that

[@FransienvanBaren]

I feel like Shin only reacted to Majin Buu out of revenge, not because it was his job.

[@jackreidy3010]

Fransien van Baren ...

[@davidlarkin1040]

@@jackreidy3010 ?

[@number3stunner118]

David Larkin!

[@damiankilsby277]

C'mon Masako, it's not like Kai's grow on trees!

[@johnmoloney1996]

Damian Kilsby well............. technically

[@frederickkemeh558]

that was the joke

[@Zetaforce-uv8el]

Damian Kilsby they don't grow like they used to.

[@JustAFanGamer]

Point taken :D

[@Mad_Beefs]

John Moloney I want a special video on that. I didn't even know 😂

[@fireredgamer1721]

Universe 7 will survive because of plot armor

[@alcatrazvongola]

I love how they made Supreme Kai look like a big deal in Buu arc until he got his shit kicked in by the Majin himself. Makes me wonder if even Piccolo could've kicked his ass if he didn't shit himself in fear for their match.

[@Land_Of_The_Cliffs]

alcatrazvongola Well he probably could've. Then again Shin did say he was far stronger than Frieza. But at the time of the Buu Saga, that's not saying much lol.

[@Blazin720]

alcatrazvongola what's even worse is in the super manga his future self easily got fucked up by dabura like it was nothing and had his neck snapped by bibidi.

[@Paur]

I hated that about Buu saga. Supreme Kai is boasted up to be something impressive, being able to halt an SSJ2 in their tracks, and then suddenly Shin is giving handjobs to the Super Saiyans for the rest of the arc and is made to look utterly useless. One thing I'm glad for is Super giving us some kaioshins and gods in general that DON'T SUCK.

[@GadGades]

that's called playing with your expectations.

[@WhitemageofDoom]

Shin's a god of creation, he's EXTREMELY impressive. His senses, his ability to create planets and life, better version of instant transmission. But he's not the best at blowing up shit, that's not is JOB. (Now him being shit as his job is another thing.)

[@goofygoober779]

Killed Civilized Planets Count: Buu - 1 000 to 4 000 Frieza, King Cold - destroyed probably 300 -500, sold 50 to 90, kept for themselfs 80 to 90 The Saiyans without Friezas Command - a couple hundreds 100 to 900 Beerus - 4 000 to ???? (What ever number you like, pretty much killed since dawn of time) Sums up around: minimum 5400 maximum 5400 + a unmeasurable amount of Planets killed by beerus So based on worst case (15000) and best case (10.9 billion) scenario numbers of civilized planets in universe 7, Beerus is responsible for a total kill count of: Worst Case for life: 9 572 civilized planets to 13 572 civilized planets Best case for life: 10 899 994 572 civilized planets to 10 899 998 572 civilized planets It is save to say,Beerus, you done goofed badly... couldn't you at least have killed the weakest first and the strongest at last? Even if we were to say, Buu killed way more than I calculated, it is pretty likely, Beerus killed twice as much civilized planets, just because he was there before Buu was and even if he were to be the same age as Buu, he still would have had way more time to kill planets than Buu did have, because Buu was in a prison for a pretty damn long time.

[@edgarelianamaya]

Goofy Goober this comment need to be no1

[@flyonytemalhammar3045]

Goofy Goober actually just saying toryama said "buu has been around since time immemorial"

[@goofygoober779]

Yeah I thought so, but most of that time he was incapable of killing due to his time as prisoner. Yes Beerus sleeps alot but at least he wakes up every couple of thousand years to do stuff. Buu was almost all of his existence out of the way. (And that is probably for the better of the universe.) And I have to add, Buu just killed every planet he came along, that would mean he only killed a low percentage of planets with civilized life on it, because there are far more unhabited planets than civilized planets. And Beerus, well he had a habit of destroying planets with a population on them, as we saw in super where he visited basically only habited planets. Could be that he visited unhabited planets too, to destroy them and we never got to see that but I think overall, everything taken into account, it is more likely that Beerus killed most of them. I even stated in the comment that I am unsure to how many planets Buu truly destroyed that had civilized life on them, but I am quite sure that Beerus must have killed more civilized planets off, just because he had more time to do so.

[@sushmitapatil8250]

Goofy Goober Beerus also sleeps for like decades.. But yes beerus might have destroyed more planets,since thats literally his job considering he is GOD OF DESTRUCTION

[@kurtru5selcrowe607]

This still works out with the amount of races we see because who's to say they're not survivors of their destroyed worlds like the Saiyins.

[@samthemultimediaman]

If broly was cannon he did destroy south galaxy... and Buu did eat a lot of planets sooo yeah universe 7 is kinda sparse now..

[@Awelbeckk]

I guess movies aren't canon, so ... South Galaxy is still here.

[@alqu6375]

Sam The Multimedia Man Well, Buu destroyed that billions of years ago allowing a long time to recover. As for Broly, in the movie some those planets are "just on fire" (yeah bad, but not too bad I guess). So it still might be Shin's and Beerus' fault.

[@zhoujo]

Oh yea and when kid buu was looking for goku and vegeta in the anime he started destroying any planets with ki on them

[@soarel325]

Ignoring the dubious movie canon, Broly didn't destroy the galaxy, that was a translation mistake. He just terrorized it.

[@SamuelSam-lh9ju]

There's more than 1 Galaxy in a universe y'know.

[@connerholmes7045]

+MasakoX they're not a "couple" ......Unless you count that one time at band camp

[@syed2444]

That Hipster Gamer technically they are, kill one and the other dies.

[@connerholmes7045]

syed rawal romantic

[@kabob0077]

That Hipster Gamer HA, GAY!

[@connerholmes7045]

Raptor Lewis totally

[@connerholmes7045]

El Loco already tried

[@nearthe2nd]

*God, if Universe 7 has only 28 civilised planets, I wonder how many planets Universe 9 has?* From what I can tell from Shidora and Roh's character just by watching up to Episode 83, Their personality and outlook are completely opposite of how it should be. Roh seems vile and destructive, and Shidora seems reserved and frail. They should switch jobs, because I can bet Roh goes around destroying planets and neglecting his duty of creation. While Shidora probably sleeps even more than Beerus does and probably doesn't have it in him to destroy planets. Considering how cunning the Trio De Danger appear to be and the fact Roh appears to be their boss, I bet Roh manipulates the hell out of Shidora. I'm gonna take a guess and say that like their namesake, Universe 9 has 9 civilised planets xD

[@aozorahaou2643]

Jesus XD

[@gerlach1025]

It's kind of funny that the only reason the Supreme Kai and Beerus talk at all is because of Goku.

[@thediethrower1803]

gerlach1025 Specifically because Goku fucked shit up even further by starting this whole arc up.

[@michaeltaylor788]

zeno was going to destroy the weak universes enway goku by coming up with the tournament gave the weak universes a chance people ether just like to hate on goku or stuck goku is evil or something.

[@gerlach1025]

@TheDieThrower - I might be dismembering but I believe they started talking during the Future Trunks arc.

[@michaeltaylor788]

once again zeno was going to do it anyway at anytime even heaven and hell along with souls will be erased once again goku gave the week universes a chance at surviva.l

[@readthiscomment6748]

Goku is actually doing a better job at controlling the universes than all of the gods combined. He is probably the reason why mortal levels are not the lowest.

[@arthurdotson9579]

Shin/Beerus/Buu theory: Something worth mentioning here, and keeping in mind. Majin Buu's role in the development of Universe 7. Shin holds the title of Supreme Kai. But in Universe 7's heirarchy, he had a superior, the Grand Supreme Kai, and three other fellow Supreme Kais. Shin's and the Supreme Kais' duties were never multiversal, only covered a part of the universe, and never would have required knowledge of Zeno or anything else above the universal level. But then Majin Buu happened. He devoured or killed the Grand Supreme Kai and three of the four Supreme Kais, and of them all Shin was the youngest and most inexperienced. Because of Buu's rampage through the universe so long ago, the Kais were decimated, leaving an inexperienced novice in charge who inherited the duties of his peers and his boss. Well before he was ever ready for it, possibly not even ready for his own role as Supreme Kai. He did the best he could, but Buu upset the balance of Universe 7 drastically. As a result, there was no one around to keep Beerus in check. Sure, Whis was there, but Whis isn't there to make Beerus toe the line, he's just there to make sure Beerus doesn't go too far if he starts slipping. Which he did. For any number of reasons, Beerus and Buu never met and fought each other. Missing Link: Wat if the reason there are so few worlds of sentient life in Universe 7 is because Buu wiped most of them out so long ago? And Beerus, now with no one powerful enough to balance and counter him from the Kai's side, runs amok and destroying even more worlds along the way that should have been preserved? Personally, I'd love it if they took this opportunity to expand on Buu's origin and build a relation to the Kais and Beerus, and the development of Universe 7. He played such a huge role in it, and that's been forgotten in Super.

[@DataBase90]

I think you're missing a potentially important aspect of everything here. Beerus was the one who sealed the old Kai into the Z-Sword ages ago. At that point those two must have been "linked". Kinda raises the question if that's still the case, or if they simply made a new Kai to link Beerus to at that point, who passed down the link all the way to Shin.. Also Beerus is way worse at his job than Shin considering this. Honestly after Beerus sealed Old Kai, and then Buu wiped out all the other Kai, you really cant blame Shin for not being taught by his ancestors about his job..

[@dwhgaming5700]

well it depends i think the term Supreme should be ignored for the moment and we should just see Shin, the Elder Kai and the other Kais as Supreme Kai candidates because as the leader of the group i would imagine that Daikaioh was the true Supreme Kai of Universe 7 and as we know Kai's live a VERY long time so perhaps the Elder Kai was also a student under Daikaioh when he was sealed inside the Z Sword and Daikaioh just gave each of his students the title of Supreme because he was such a nice guy

[@ABaumstumpf]

That Beerus sealed old Kai into the Sword is just Toriyama changing facts yet again. cause the kai him self stated that he was sealed by an evil person that is weaker than Buu. Neither is beerus evil nor is he weaker than Buu.

[@Awelbeckk]

@ABaumstumpf : Or think about it : The Old Kai is sealed by a mortal called Beerus, the God of Destruction of this time dies and Whis goes dormant. Then the next Kai is appointed and incompetent as he is take the strongest mortal he knows to be a the new God, Beerus who after some training by Whis become up to the Challenge. And U7 got a crappy Shin and a crappy God of Destruction. tell me about "klingon promotion" ...

[@ABaumstumpf]

Awelbeckk - that could be if not for Champa. Would be a bit strange if Champa just oh so happens to become a God of destruction too. And it is toriyama changing facts just like that - cause his new explanation was that it was at a meeting of the kais - so Beerus would have had to be the god of Destruction already.

[@Cabolt44]

Well at the time Beerus was weaker than Super Buu (in terms of power not ability). Toriyama and Toei change their facts all the time, though not as bad as some fictional works I've read.

[@randomcatname7792]

Me as God of Destruction "You. Kai. Potara. Now!" Ahahahahahahahaha imortalityyyyyyyyyyyy

[@DavidPerez-ut9fm]

That would probably make you weaker, like how buu fusing with somone vastly weaker then him

[@randomcatname7792]

@@DavidPerez-ut9fm You would be weaker, but you would lose your 1 weakness

[@kanatamon1]

I posted on a Geekdom video, I think the reason there are only 28 planets is because due to how out of balanced Universe 7's creators and destroyers are. Not only is Supreme Kai not creating new planets, he's doing a shitty job preserving the ones that already exist. And I don't just mean from Frieza, Beerus, Babidi, Buu or Vegeta's stray Final Flash. He could also be neglecting that planets survive from natural cataclysms that make planets uninhabitable or damage the food chain. In other words, between Supreme Kai not creating new planets, Beerus and Frieza overdestroying and the old ones simply becoming uninhabitable, the amount of planets that can support intelligent life is probably dropping rapidly.

[@AIGCB]

Actually there is a reason for why Shin knows as little as he does. It's been shown that when the Buu rampage started he was extremely young and untrained for a Kai and due to Buu killing all of the other kais including his Master and leader of entire creation in universe 7. So Shin was left alone and only succeeding due to cunning on his part by waiting until Bibidi sealed Buu so Kai could kill him. I don't like the fact that i have to state that Shin original job wasn't to be the god of all creation, he was only supposed to be the god of the east world alone. I would guess that the reason for why Shin is the only Kai is because when Buu went havoc on the Kai's planet, he might have done something so they couldn't spawn a new one or a living god is needed to make a new one, which couldn't have been done since Shin never received the training needed and Beerus was to lazy to ever check on the Kai's so he never had an idea. So Shin had an extra hard job due to the fact he had to take 4 extra roles and had to fix up everything Beerus did. Also i would guess the only reason why universe 7 and 9 are so low is because their gods of destruction don´t take out threats like they are supposed to. Like for example it was never Shin's duty to take care of Buu, it was Beerus job to kill Buu since Buu was not only breaking the balance but smashing it apart. it's been seen that Even Pure Buu destroyed more planets than Beerus did when he was awake. And some of those planets had Civilizations.

[@NeoEpyon]

It has always bugged me that Shin, who is supposed to oversee all life and creation in the universe, had no clue that there were people in said universe who were actually strong enough to put up a fight against Buu.

[@shadowstrider5033]

Patrick Barlow As masako said , shin sucks at his job . I wonder what the hell he does with all that time...

[@NeoEpyon]

I know, I was just saying that it bugs me that he's that bad at his job. As for what he does with all of that time... maybe he uses it to work on his hair?

[@Ramona122003]

He said he doesn't measure life based on power. So he can know that life exists, but he doesn't measure them on power.

[@NeoEpyon]

Ramona Williams I never said he does, I'm just saying it bugs me that he should have been aware of their existence (possibly even what planet they were from), I mean one of them defeated Frieza, which is something he or Beerus should have done.

[@lenlimbo]

To be fair, at the beggining of the Buu arc, outside of Gokuh (who was already dead) none of them could give a fight to Buu. But yes, if anything, he should be a tad more in touch with his subordinates, the Kaiohs and the Grand Kaioh. Those guys knew about the Z-Warriors, after all.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

It doesn't help that in Dragonball, the universal quadrants are referred to in the old-fashioned use of the word "galaxy" (they aren't galaxies.) Plus when Toriyama has drawn the known universe, you get the impression it's VERY tiny. But that could just be him.

[@SinonKakarot]

1. I know I am late but: during db story we many Times get to know that quadrants are quadrants and they are only called Galaxys basic fiction plus there is countless galaxys in universe 7 as for planets only mortal Life exist in 28 planets while many other bigger and simmilar planets are empty but they are there plus the picture toriyama draw he alredy told that he made the drawing Just to show where something is located in the universe

[@naniteslayer]

That Bulk and Skull theme music was great

[@bladerVII]

Well this might explain why Whis and Beerus are always trying to get Goku or Vegeta (or someone similar) to become the next god of destruction.

[@damiankilsby277]

When I heard there are 28 planets I took that as meaning 28 home-worlds'. For example, Freeza was stated to have ownership of over 448 planets (not even counting the ones Cooler and King Cold own), but every race only has a single home planet. Also, that's 28 home *worlds,* not species. There could be 1000's of species who lost their homes' (like the Saiyans and Namekians), and there will most likely be some species that share the same home world.

[@windhelmguard5295]

you know like the last remaining saiyans and humans.

[@TheThaiBuddy]

And it's possible that maybe, either Frieza or Beerus blew them up

[@guldrev]

Not to mention the galactic King probably rules a few planets, I belive the kais are ducking cluess

[@IgnaStom]

Cooler isn't canon. That doesnt change anything tho, just saying

[@PhlebiacClown]

Nah, he clearly said only 28 planets have mortal life on them.

[@DimensionLordWiggles]

MasakoX I think you need revise your statement regarding Drakes Equation. Drakes equation shows how many civilizations can exist during the entire span of the universe, not how many exist at any one time, or currently. You said 72,000 in the Milky Way.. Milky Way is 13.21B years old. 72,000 civilizations. 13.21B/72,000 = 1 civilization is created (so to speak) on average every 183,472.22 years. Humanity started 5-7 million years ago. So in our humany life span, there has been about 7M/183,472= 38 civilizations created in the Milky Way. and there's no real way to tell how long a civilization could last, but since we are 1 minute from midnight, let's say a civilization can only last 8 million years. so 39 civilizations before our birth and 38 after. total 77 civilizations + ours =78 in total. but then it depends on where in the galaxy those civilizations are. remember that time fluctuates in a manner of different ways, mass of planet, mass of star, then gravitational relationship regarding the distance of their star and center of Milky Way. given that F=Gm1m2/d2. The radius of the Milky Way is 50,000 light years..or 15kpc. Earth is currently situated at about 8Kpc from the center, 7kpc from the edge. civilizations between us and the center experience time slower than we do. and civilizations between us and edge of the system experience time faster. so 78 civilizations exist based on my estimation stated above.. it may be safe to assume 34 live inner galaxy and 34 live outer galaxy, and 9 are live in our time zone with us. 34 civilizations would be experiencing time faster, 34 slower, 10 roughly the same. 34 experiencing time faster than us, could be reaching, or have reached their 8M year end of the line.. so let's deduct 20 from 34 leaving 14. then the civilizations that are experiencing time slower, 75% probably haven't figured out tools, rock...stone age.. so deduct 25.. leaving 9 that are passed the stone age..then let's say there's 2 that are still don't yet have an intelligent though. leaving 7. + 10 + 14 = 31 planets with intelligent life in Milky Way alone. but we saw Beerus destroy some planets with life.. and we also know frieza destroyed some as well. Daizenshuu 7 says there are 4 galaxies in the universe. so 31x4=124 civilizations. each galaxy probably had some friezas..wanna be God's of destruction so let subtract 40 (10 per galaxy) from 124. 84. Then we know Beerus destroyed some within the last few million years, so let's deduct another 10 from each galaxy, 40 in total. 84-40=44. so for Shin to say there a 38 civilizations out there.. it's not a far off stretch.

[@MasakoX]

+DimensionLordWiggles Gosh. I'm impressed. I will admit that I am not a physicist or a mathematician by trade so thank you for clarifying.

[@DimensionLordWiggles]

MasakoX gasp...he responded to me.... I feel giddy. haha. neither am i. I just watch A LOT of science shows on youtube, Netflix, and study physics for the shizzles and giggles.

[@superspartan3120]

I can not wait for a troll to come along for this comment xD But well done I could have never done that math! You sir are a math god xD

[@DimensionLordWiggles]

Super Saiyan Timson I'm not a math god. I'm pretty sure something is wrong with my math, and if there is an intelligent counter point using mathematics to show where I am wrong, I am willing to learn how I was wrong. but the fundamental principles are correct. it all has to do with the relative positions of two bodies of mass. the closer you are to an object with a larger mass, time slows down, the farther you are time speeds up. that's why we have satellites that have to always correct their clocks to stay in sync with the clocks on the surface. when using the gravitational relationship in a Galactic sense is just like that except on a grand scale. 24 hour to us could be 12 hours to a planet 4kpc from the center of the galaxy, and 48 hours to a planet 12kpc from the center.

[@superspartan3120]

Dude I got a grade G in math.... To me your in god status and am in underworld status.... But I understand what your saying.. I hope 😅 So in simple terms.. If my science from school (witch is DD one mark of a C... sigh) is right. So mercury is to close to the sun and takes to much time to go around the sun and is to hot to harbour life, and pluto is to far way to cold to harbour life and time runs to fast. Which is why earth is the best out of all of them ie habitable zone ? This is where I could go completely wrong but I wanna try something out. In supreme kai's case he said about civilizations and that there where 38 of them. If you take that these 38 planets might be in the habitable​ zone. Take them planets out that might have life on them.. say for example a planet with dinosaurs yes it's a race but not a civilization. Then 38 planets with civilizations on them seem more bleveable am I correct? Like a planet could have life on it just not a civilization? (Also thanks for the reply!! 😊)

[@kumbi8368]

Lol. Of all the Supreme Kais for Majin Buu to leave alive.

[@eastsupremekai2204]

Kumbi Beerus has some work.

[@kmac639]

Why are we just going after Shin though? Isn't Old Kai supposed to be acting Grand Supreme Kai? Where's his role in all of this?

[@james13sylar]

I think he was unofficially demoted since he isn't fully a Kai, making Shin the only actual Supreme Kai. Why didn't he taught Shin about anything that the other Kai's didn't before they were killed is another theme.

[@eastsupremekai2204]

kmac639 He's retired, he's spending his entire existence reading hentai novels.

[@kenpoarniceguy1]

kmac639 Beerus trapped him in the sword.

[@cancerstinks1]

You do realize he was freed from the Z-Sword in the buu saga after being trapped for a long time. And DBS is at most 4 years after, at least 6 months. I highly doubt an old man, after having been sealed for centuries if not more, could get the universe back in gear in 4 years

[@aozorahaou2643]

I think we forget that Beerus trapped him in the Z-Sword just for pissing him off so this is all on Beerus if anything

[@Masterge77]

Whoever appoints the deities of the Dragon Ball universe obviously had no idea what they were doing when they chose Beerus to be Universe 7's God of Destruction, since he sleeps all the damn time, for centuries to millennia. Had he been competent and not a self-centered jerk, Majin Buu would have been stopped before he was sealed. Also, considering all the damage Frieza's empire had done to the universe by destroying and enslaving countless worlds, there was nobody to fill in the void once he and King Cold were gone, leading to tons of civilizations wiping each other out in the time between the Namek Saga and now. Plus Beerus destroyed a ton of planets once he finally woke up, as well as the devastating shockwaves from Beerus' fight with Goku spreading throughout the universe and destroying a number of planets, a few that were likely inhabited. With all that in mind, it's no surprise that there are currently only 28 civilizations left in Universe 7. Of course, Zeno could just be trolling Shin and Beerus, so anything's possible.

[@thediethrower1803]

Masterge77 Buu was actually there first but ya he was sealed away for a long time.

[@vianjelos]

Masterge77 I think goku taking out Freeza drastically lowerd their mortal level..Freezas empire took over planets yes, but it also introduced new technology to those planets and intragated those races into it, while taking the new technology on those planets and increasing the inteligance of the empire. It was more like what the romans did that anything and so each time the empire would grow in size and inteligance, making lower level planets the same as the rest( like planet vegeta since we all know saiyans werent smart) but like you said once Freeza and his father were gone all hell broke loose in a struggle for power/control. Add that with Shin and Beerus' incompetance and we see how the universe got so bad.

[@phiefer3]

My assumption about Shin is that he really just didn't know much about what his job entails due to the manner in which he got it. First of all, it always seemed strange how the Buu Saga told us that the Supreme Kais effectively mirrored the lower Kais (ie 4 compass kais with a grand kai over them), but that Super instead paints the picture of each universe only having 1 supreme kai that is linked to their god of destruction. At first glance it's just something to chalk up to Toriyama forgetting/changing things to fit the needs of his current story. However, it could still work actually. The way I see it, the "Grand Supreme Kai" was the actual Supreme Kai for universe 7, while the 4 "compass" Supreme Kais were probably more like apprentices/helpers similar to Zamasu. However, in the few clips we've seen from before Buu killed them, they all seemed to live mostly carefree and played and didn't really appear to "do" anything. This could mean a couple things, first is that maybe the Grand Supreme Kai was simply lazy and bad at his job as well, or maybe he was good at it, but basically spoiled his apprentices by handling everything himself instead of having them help (also, perhaps at the time they were all relatively young and only just starting their training). In either case, when the rest were all killed leaving Shin to take on the big seat, he was doing it with very little experience or training. This could explain why he didn't know about either Zeno or Beerus, as well as why he doesn't really seem to know what he's supposed to do, he was never properly taught. At that point it probably should have fallen to Beerus to go and give him some pointers or at least directed him to or contacted someone higher up (such as the grand priest) to let them know that Universe 7 either needed a new Supreme Kai or for someone to come and train Shin. But given what we've seen of Beerus, the likelihood of him taking that initiative is rather low.

[@Geekdom101]

lmao! his face!!

[@tiseiji953]

hey geekdom101!

[@brandoneverett9153]

Geekdom101 That man taking the biggest shit ever

[@idiotsandwich1693]

Geekdom101 boi you got vids to make

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Geekdom101 lol

[@majinsole8554]

This is not your channel... ~_~

[@Squilliamsunibrowsson]

the angels didn't die they just lost their power until another god of destruction is chosen

[@cainabel6356]

I do not think anyone said they died. I think they said they became inactive. Most people say they go into a sleep mode, while some say they do die. I say they just go back to their father's realm and do what they want. They have their power, but they can not interfere with other beings unlike themselves. Their God of Destruction, boss, is dead; they are not employed anymore in their services.

[@ThatGuy-qu5lb]

I don't think the 28 planets thing is so far fetched. Freeza was a tyrant, sure, but he is not the worst universe-wide cataclysm Universe 7 has seen. Remember that during the Buu saga, Kid Buu spent some time teleporting from planet to planet blowing them up while looking for Goku. Also remember that during the Battle of Gods fight (at least in the Super version) Old Kai was constantly freaking out that the shock waves of the battle were destroying the universe. Maybe some planets or civilizations were actually ruined in that encounter. And then there is the churlishness of both Beerus and Champa, the latter of which may very well have destroyed things out of spite while stealing the Super Dragon Balls. These absolutely reflect on the failures of the Kaioshin, but I don't think his number was necessarily wrong. Besides, we have no idea what Monaka, destroyer of worlds, is up to these days...

[@flamen529]

That Guy Also in the fight between Beerus and Goku it was shown that planets further away from Earth were being destroyed by there fights.

[@quqbalam5089]

It's not when you also take into account how Majin Buu killed almost all the Kais, destroying the balance of life in the universe in the process.

[@SBaby]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if at some point something comes along that's more powerful than Zeno and we do find out that there's more out there than just 12 universes. That's just the escalation factor that the Dragonball franchise is known for.

[@1slayer959]

SBaby its toriyamas lazy pattern. hey anyone remember when Hit was relevant? toriyama: who?

[@ThatGuy-qu5lb]

I doubt they'll go beyond Zeno. Twelve universes gives the writers far more potential characters to work with then they'll ever have time to fully utilize.

[@marioman863]

#MakeUniverse7GreatAgain

[@VeggehGaming]

Would be interesting if Universe 7 wins the tournament and then Shin and Beerus are removed from their posts due to their ineptitude. And even more interesting if, by some divine magic courtesy of Zeno, Vegeta is made into the new God of Destruction and (at best guess at suitability for the role) Piccolo is made the new Supreme Kai. He can then be Kami of the whole damn universe!

[@Thisdude850]

While that sounds stupid,seeing Vegeta and Piccolo linked to each other would be hilarious to see.

[@argon6520]

Nice idea, and Vegeta as a Hakaishin is plausible, coz they are appointed from mortals of the universe, but Kaioshins have to be from Shinjin race, made from a golden fruit of Kaiju Tree.

[@thediethrower1803]

Veggeh Now Vegeta could be made God of destruction but the supreme Kai must be a kaioshin. Thinking elder Kai would just be given the role as he's a perv but he knows how the job works.

[@somerandominternetweirdo9962]

It always felt like whis gave off this tone with his vegeta interactions and even in conversations with beerus that she was grooming him to be the next god of destruction, so that part I could see not being so far fetched. I doubt vegeta would want to be one though.

[@pastorfather8196]

But could goku get stronger than vegeta even if vegeta becomes the god of destruction?

[@KallahMari]

Okay. I wanna point out that OUR supreme kai was the YONGEST of the kai's. Taking on the roll of, not only his OWN, but all of the OTHER'S!

[@KallahMari]

ALSO! Wanna point out, he didn't even know the existance of Earth ;-;

[@james13sylar]

Yep, he wasn't fully untrained and probably a lot of knowledge was lost when the other Supreme Kai were killed. He should have asked Old Kai all about that when he appeared... though I think Old Kai would rather be watching magazines than explain things to him.

[@eastsupremekai2204]

SouthWestScott Yes, finally some one who under stands, I'm only 500+ years old.

[@vianjelos]

I dont see the other supreme kais with anyone other than themselves tho..all the other univeres also only have one so its no excuse. He is incompetant..the fact that he at the very least couldnt work with beerus to kill buu is insane..plus he has the other kais to watch over their own galaxies so its not like he is alone, those tasks could be delegated but nope he just sits around doing nothing..

[@benward917]

vianjelos shin didn't even know about beerus till battle of Gods ark

[@santoscampos4196]

I mean what if some of the races clustered on the same planets?

[@diegomedina9637]

Kinda like Planet Vegeta and Earth.

[@Geta92]

Theory time! What if universe 7 wins and Goku wishes for all competing universes (or maybe even all 12) to be merged into one. So none will be destroyed and their mortal ranking will rise since all civilizations will be intact on one single universe. That would fit pretty well with GT too, since then there would be enough civilizations for the theme of the show. Not to mention the gods would function way better since they can work together and learn to properly do their work from the more competent ones.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

1 2 you menas 18 whis sad the use be 18 tell omi kign erase 6 of them

[@owenpickles4486]

no he means the fact that 4 universes were exempt from the tournament of power and thats why he said "all of the competing" "maybe even all 12" referring to the fact that 8 universes fought and 4 didn't

[@sirlezard670]

Geta92 A gigaverse? It would also create a convoluted mess of war and genocides from the many inhabiting races of all the universes. The gods could have disputes over their split territories and what duty they have too.

[@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL]

There is just one problem: Universes have twins, which means to combine them would mean to push planets into themselves. For example, if you wished for 7 and 6 to merge, planet earth from 6 would be moved to planet earths position in the 7th universe or vice versa. You forget that all planets in parallel are on the same galactic plain and location.

[@gmork1090]

The only wish worth making is to wish to have the power of everyone in all of existence combined with the ability to rewrite existence on a whim.. And with that, just rewrite all of DB cosmology so that it doesn't suck and GoDs along with Zeno never existed in the first place. Unfortunately the only one to make a wish like that is Frieza, and he's an asshole who would make things even worse.

[@anupamjaiswal5927]

Wait, since Goku Black killed all the gods in every universe, does that mean he one shot Toppo? (Because he was Universe 11 Supreme Kai's bodyguard)

[@Hakiyah1]

Maybe not. Zamasu/Black were effectively unbeatable, so it may have actually taken a while to clear their timeline out, but they had the time to do it. And given that the timeline's aren't identical, they may not have been up against the same level of strength. We just don't have enough information about how he actually accomplished that.

[@henryt3301]

Maybe he killed him when Toppo wasn't looking.

[@legion4268]

He killed kaioshins.

[@Cabolt44]

Now that is a stretch, since Hit wasn't even a bodyguard of Champa. Zamasu/Black just chose their targets carefully while not arousing the suspicions of Zeno, they were happy when Shin got killed by Babidi and Dabura.

[@jimshoe2385]

Black also has Instantaneous Movement and his Aura Slide. He's a pretty great assassin.

[@JoJolion1]

MasakoX = Zamasu?

[@drandescancelled2825]

Pardon?

[@evildeedz6905]

If goku or Vegeta took the God of destruction role/job would they get a different surpream Kai or would they split into 2 beings?

[@dwhgaming5700]

well if we look back at Z the Daikaioh would have bee the Supreme Kai with the others including Shin his apprentices and he was Killed by Majin Buu but Beerus didn't die so i think IF there is a Supreme Kai Candidate when the current one dies then they become linked automatically so i think IF Goku or Vegeta became God of Destruction then their Kai would still be Shin

[@mikeyfidler2937]

Beerus is connected to the old kai

[@TemujinTheKhan]

Michael Fidler Was connected.Old Kai isn't the Supreme Kai anymore.

[@VestedUTuber]

+Temujin Actually, I wonder if he's really connected to Shin... if you take Online and Xenoverse into consideration, there's evidence to suggest he's actually connected to Chronoa, the Supreme Kai of Time. Specifically, why he hasn't _destroyed_ Chronoa like he has with _every other person who has offended his taste buds with their less-than-exemplary cooking_? Yeah... I'm pretty sure Beerus has a VERY good reason not to destroy Chronoa.

[@TemujinTheKhan]

No.He is connected to Shin otherwise it would have been Chronoa at the exhibition match. Also he didn't destroy Chronoa because she has one of the most important roles in all the universes(Being the Supreme Kai of Time)

[@willy_th3_walrus257]

Beerus is not needed at all, in fact none of the gods if destruction are. There is no reason for his destruction. The only time he'd be needed is if somebody like Freeza came in again. They also shouldn't be violent they should be saviors. Just because they exist doesn't mean they need to so no they don't need to work together. Plus supreme kai could beat most threats anyway.

[@elegantoddity8609]

Technically I think the Hakaishin are allowed to employ agents of destruction, in order to manage things on a smaller scale. Frieza is technically destroying things under Beerus, but is still needlessly cruel and runs on a different system of reasoning,

[@spencercox7931]

0:44 Who is he using in the Photoshop? 0:52 Ohmygosh bulk and skull from power rangers!

[@makidiba]

In my opinion Goku is gonna wish A L L the universes back now pay close attention to what i said.....bring brack ALL THE UNIVERSES ZENO EVER DESTROYED

[@somethingfunny2199]

NightStrider I could believe that Goku would sweet talk him and convince him not to destroy the restored universes

[@Drkflood2]

NightStrider if Universe 6 gets erased, half of the super dragon balls get erased.

[@alqu6375]

NightStrider I was thinking the same thing and that the next threat comes from like universe 14 or something.

[@backbiter8787]

No, they have already gathered up the Super Dragon balls as a price for the best fighter in the tournament.

[@alqu6375]

Johan Eriksson maybe but it still be kinda a neat word play.

[@punkzombie15]

And we can't forget the entire destruction of south galaxy

[@voodoochrapkoo2963]

Garrett Fairbourn Don't think that's canon but good point

[@divinesin6093]

It isn't cannon

[@Tektabyte]

It aint canon and there are hundreds of galaxies

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

I think our god of destruction is fine, we just need a god of creation that can keep up with him, and that can wake him up if he sleeps for 2long.

[@somerandomperson6511]

Beerus destroys planets for horrible reasons and does much more harm than good to the mortal level, it's true Shin isn't doing that great at his job either but beerus is definitely at fault here too

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

Carly why the hell dose his reason for destroying mater?

[@somerandomperson6511]

A god of destruction is supposed to destroy planets and civilizations/empires if they are 1. developing poorly 2. threatening the universal balance (take Freeza for example), 3. harming the mortal level of the universe in another way Beerus was destroying planets because the people on them didn't make food that was good enough, think of how many planets with great potential and advanced cultural and technological development he may have wiped out, he wipes out civilizatons that are still developing as well for the same terrible reasons (trying to steal their food and getting mad when they object) he would have destroyed Earth too if it wasn't for the fact that he enjoyed the food and possibly Goku's company, thus dooming U7 entirely in the process. Yeah sorry but Shin isn't the only problem god in this situation, he's only half of the problem. Forgot to add that Beerus is also partially responsible for Majin Buu's universal rampage, he could have stepped in and destroyed him but instead decided to seal his (at the time) linked Kaioshin, which probably harmed the future generations of Kai who now have less knowledge, leading to Shin who has EVEN LESS knowledge because of Buu killing his mentors. That's right, Beerus is at fault for Shin's incompetence, instead of solving the Buu problem he chose to take a nap instead.

[@desadograisedrobot515]

He needs an alarm clock that can dodge.

[@OllieBright]

Did that quote about all the races that exist really have "Arians" as in a blond blue eyed elite race that specialises in gas based attacks?

[@rpark867]

So THAT'S what GT stands for!!

[@heartofvanillaice7443]

The Supergiant Behemoth You didn't know that? It's in the English opening

[@demomanchaos]

No, it means "Goku Time" actually.

[@j.k.k.jonestv4534]

demomanchaos It actually means God-awful trash.

[@Shaprite]

Yep. I knew about since they did Dragon Ball GT rap for opening on English Dub of the series.

[@idiotsandwich1693]

Anthony Barberis let's try to forget about that

[@grocamol]

Carthu's Dojo gave a good story of Goku being raised by Whis into a god of Destruction. I'm sure the universe would be good in that's version of Goku's hands.

[@DGDN09]

@MasakoX I still dont get why 28 is hard to believe. We literally saw Zeno destroying planets for fun and accidentialy destroyed a whole bunch more. No reason why Universe 7's planets didnt get caught in the crossfire

[@devildham]

True but even a fairly empty universe would have hundreds of thousands of living planets. I think the Supreme Kai has been slacking...that being said I can't wait for the "Universal Training Arc". Supreme Kai can wish up a couple more civilizations (possibly bringing back the Saiyans), in preparation for the next Tournament.

[@darknesslight3100]

Seeing Beerus' face at 12:30 while you're ridiculing him is priceless. LOL I was almost expecting a giant sweat drop to roll down the side of his face.

[@sbvinyl910]

I'm tired of all these people saying "first!" "Notification squad!" "I'm the first like!" "5th view" like why does it matter whether you were "first" or not. Just watch the video.

[@stallonepierre6353]

it not like they gonna achieve anything for being first to comment.

[@lezzdenden]

Vinyl Scratch you're literally as bad as them with your comment tho...

[@IWasWatching]

It has always been a plight with the YT comment section, people don't want to have legit discussions. People want to feel like they are special for something.

[@LillyCharlotte7]

no... these comments for one are not as common. 2 If everyone doing it is clearly viewed universally as retards people will stop.... except trolls....

[@Izadochi]

Its the internet, stop question everything; you'll go insane.

[@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL]

You forget that the supreme kai is a creation god only. It was never stated that they are supposed to step it. It WAS stated that the god of destruction exists for that reason alone. With creation comes destruction, which forms new planets. The creation god is meant to observe and offer guidance, that is all. Nothing more.

[@therevaloution]

@MasakoX I wouldn't exactly call DBZ a kid's show, there was a ton of dismemberment if I remember correctly...

[@thespartanzero]

It's explicitly written for children, it's just that Japan has WAAAAAAAY different standards of what's acceptable for kids.. You can find like a hundred quotes of Toriyama calling it a kid's show.

[@kingp260]

It's more early teens but yeah.

[@jamainegardner4193]

7:25 that list of races only had 23 races, and the Tsfruians are all extinct, so only 22 of those are still around. Granted there is also Humans Saiyans and Namekians but that only bumps the list up to 25.

[@jamainegardner4193]

Also, there have been multiple cataclysms because of Frieza, the Saiyans, Majin Buu, and Beerus. Remember how in the late episodes of the BOG Goku and Beerus clashed fists and sent out shockwaves that could've destroyed the universe? Well maybe that's *another* source o there being so few planets with intelligent life on them.

[@Lillevannet]

I maby think that Universe 7 will lose to Universe 11, in a close 1v1 match at the end with Jiren and Goku. Although many have speculated that Goku & co. will use the super dragon balls to restore all the lost universes, i think that Universe 11 will do this.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

u11 wodo nto do the some u11 dos nto care about u7 u11 god wood nto lto u11 wish any one back when unvurse ge ersse ti ahpepn at the end of in epsidoe who wodo wath next pesio of u7 get erase no one

[@owenpickles4486]

Signer, that grammar REALLY annoys me, can you try and fix it. (Sorry if English isn't your first language, just annoyed.)

[@tulgabadrakh3110]

The Saiyans, Freeza, Buu, Beerus and the Supreme Kai really fucked up the universe. Half the races you mentioned were annihailated by the Saiyans, Freeza or Beerus

[@David-nw4nk]

Beerus as character is still the best God. Who cares about ningens.

[@skippernolen5644]

This is Zamasu ("David") in disguise people!

[@SamuelSam-lh9ju]

Zeno obviously cares since 4 universes are exempt for a reason.

[@dylanjantz1]

Beerus is a great character. But he is a horrible, horrible god. Lol. I mean he is just awful at his job. If it’s true that the real job of a god of destruction is to destroy those that upset the balance in the universe, he has failed miserably. I mean just imagine if he had been there to stop Frieza instead of letting him destroy countless planets and millions of people. Everything would be entirely different due to that alone. Lol. It’s no wonder universe 7’s ‘mortal rate’ is so low. Because Beerus and maybe even the supreme Kai are so bad at curating their universe, it’s basically on death row to be destroyed by Zeno Sama.

[@beerusplanet3552]

Great video, Masako! The Kaioshin and Beerus don't know what they are doing... What was Shin doing the last few million years?

[@zelda64rules]

Isn't Old Kai technically the Grand Supreme Kai of Universe 7?

[@owenpickles4486]

He aint full kai anymore, so it wouldnt count

[@exwardd9629]

+MasakoX Thanks for bringing up the fact that Goku saved POSSIBLY one extra universe by bringing up the tournament, but Daishinkan said whichever UNIVERSES were left in the tournament would be aloud to survive, meaning a chance for all or no chance at all.

[@thienbaongo7997]

Masako: Why only 28?! Me: Cause Broly blew up south galaxy lel (Sarcasm)

[@AvarikVonNom]

I won't be surprised if somehow down the line, and assuming the stars are truly aligned and Universe 7 will be victorious in the tournament, Goku will use the Super Dragon balls to bring back all the other Universes that have perished, defying the Omni Kings intentions. But in the process he will have to give up what power he and his companions have gained through the assistance of the gods. Just a slight speculation thingy, in case somehow the original ending we had for DBZ might still be happening.

[@uchytjes10]

One thing of note is that the DB universe is just 4 galaxies, much less than ours.

[@yourmom9931]

uchytjes10 no it's not.The Super shenron scene already disproved it

[@armenian8396]

uchytjes10 oh how wrong you are they are 4 coudrens meaning there it's divided into four parts

[@tightlypackedcoil]

Asad the fanboy *quadrants

[@Lneti_VT]

I lost it with the Bulk and Skull to start things off XD

[@makidiba]

Well Frieza said he had 96 mortal planets soo.......what the swizle sticks

[@quintonblackburn3916]

*Implying everything Frieza says is fact, and not him inflating numbers to look more impressive and terrifying*

[@1slayer959]

Quinton Blackburn even if he was inflating, why would he say 96 thats the most random num-... looks at 96 turns head upside down 69 i see what you did there freeza

[@somerandominternetweirdo9962]

96 is 96 upsidedown >.>

[@tightlypackedcoil]

#1Slayer fail

[@OriginalNajja]

But do we know for sure that most of them weren't just outposts for his warriors? Or planets that had been recently acquired after its civilization had been wiped out?

[@wolfman1282]

I think what's actually happening is that there are only 28 home worlds left in universe 7 as well as thousands of other races and inhabited planets. My reasoning is that in most Sy-Fi series if a races home world is destroyed that race is considered to be extinct. With majin buu's intergalactic rampage, freeza's land shark operations and beerus' unchallenged destructive tendencies, it's pretty easy to see why there's only 28 home worlds left in universe 7.

[@mdudegamer]

I still find it weird that every universe has just one Supreme Kai. I mean, did all of them have Buu-level threats that took out the other 4?

[@kameakai366]

I have been thinking the same thing!!

[@armenian8396]

mdudegamer they just weren't present in the place they could exist but good point

[@iRazenrak]

Each universe has a top-ranking Supreme Kai that rules over the other 4. Buu ate Universe 7's. Now East Kai (Supreme Kai) is the overlooking Kai of Universe 7.

[@Thecommander248]

mdudegamer I think they just didn't appear on screen. I also think they kinda position themselves on the North, South, East, and West side of their planet so they actually face their jurisdiction.

[@Demongunner7]

Well, given that the "who's in charge" ceiling is always being raised in Dragon ball and more and more characters are being placed on top of the previous people in charge, it makes sense that with what little time we've had with Beerus that him and Shin have no chemistry or concept of cooperation with one another. With what we have seen it would only make sense that Universe 7 gets wiped out due to what we know about them, however there is still hope for redemption that the two their respective errors and try to work together so that their universe prospers. Until then, Goku and the gang have their work cut out for them in the Universal Survival Tournament

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Shin is a very lazy man he could have killed freezer

[@farmerwithshotgun5166]

son GokuXv2 Yep. Instead of stepping in and taking care of business, he just sat back and let lots of people die.

[@seandobbins2231]

Except that killing isn't his job, as that would be Beerus' territory. Gowasu said that the job of a Kaioshin is to watch over mortals and not to interfere.

[@Ramona122003]

It isn't the Supreme Kais place to kill mortals. That is the job of the Gods of Destruction. Did you pay any attention to the Future Trunks Saga?

[@yuomovaeh3028]

One thing thats weird is that Beerus didnt step up at Buu saga. But it was Kaioshin. Probably because Toriyama didnt even think about Beerus back then.

[@nightlumos6085]

Lexta Any Supreme Kai can one-shot Frieza (before his 4 month training). It's a fact.

[@jacksquatch9764]

I would like to point out Masako, that it was 28 planets with advanced life AND fighters strong enough to be of use. At least, that was my impression. Either way, great vid as usual!

[@tessbolick6605]

You know what would explain the 28 Planets problem? Broly.

[@Emerald152]

What if they were talking about the 28 civilizations that can fight? Not literally the amount of civilizations there is in the universe.

[@nyzmikey]

Given the state of Universe 7's overall population, I'd say that Beerus is fantastic at his job.

[@VampByDay]

Y'know, I never did notice that 'till you pointed it out, but you have a good point. I mean, the supreme kai kinda has an out, as he's doing the job of five Kais at once (supreme east, west, south, north, plus grand supreme kai), but Beerus has no excuse. Plus, 28 doesn't even make sense when you take into account what we've seen in the manga/anime. LOOK at all the races in Freeza's army! Assuming one race per world (which doesn't hold true for earth) we have the following list: Humans, Namekians, Saiyans (may be discounted becaus their world is gone), Yardrat-ians, plus Freeza's race, "Near humans" (like Recume), "Horned aliens" (Maybe Ginyu, Napple, and Shisami are the same race), Tagama's race, Cui's Race, Appule's Race, Jeice's Race, Burter's Race, Dodoria's Race (Maybe same race as Abo-Cado), Guldo's Race, Sorbet's race and Zarbon's Race Plus there is the race of people that Beerus destroyed at the start of super (well, destroyed HALF their planet). So if we add that together, ASSUMING that any races that even remotely look similar (Such as the 'horned aliens category), we get 17. If there are only 28 planets with life, then we have seen over HALF of them already. Just in our little corner of the universe.

[@connormorgan6884]

Here's a plot hole. It's Common knowledge by now that it takes two kaioshins to remain fused together forever right? If that's the case why the hell is Elder Kai still fused to the goddamn witch???!!! Lol

[@AlanLiebheart]

No. it is only needed 1 kaioshin.

[@erinclark1664]

Getting to hear the Bulk & Skull theme made me oddly happy, considering it's been over twenty years since I last heard it, but knew it immediately. Thanks for that, MasakoX

[@MarkoPiroski]

Come on, we all know that Broly destroyed all those worlds.

[@boop9028]

Marko Piroški not canon

[@alqu6375]

Marko Piroški But surely not enough too lower the level that much. I mean so of those planets only on fire and completely destroyed. Yeah bad but still there's still 3 other galaxys with competent enough beings. I guess. But maybe a whole chunk of the galaxy is enough to lower it's level. Maybe Beerus and Shin should also focus on all the galaxy/plant busters before naps and tea.

[@MarkoPiroski]

I know its not cannon, that was just a joke.

[@kenpoarniceguy1]

Marko Piroški Ha! Its Broly's fault!

[@justan324]

You mean majin buu

[@11nytram11]

What you have to remember about Shin is that he was not the Supreme Kai of Universe 7 - he was the Supreme Kai's subordinate. He was the East Supreme Kai and along with the West, North and South Supreme Kai he worked for the Grand Supreme Kai. When Majin Buu attacked the Sacred World of the Kai and absorbed all the other Kai's he was thrust into a position he was never trained and prepared to be in. Suddenly he went from being responsible for one part of the Universe to being responsible for all of it. It's not surprise that he's bad at his job when he was never intended to be the Supreme Kai of the whole universe and never recieved the training to undertake that job. Now with the Old Kai being release from the Z Sword he has somebody who can teach him about what he should be doing and responsibilities he has - that's probably part of the reason he doesn't know about the Zen-Oh, because he's so utterly ill-informed about the job and had no one to teach him.

[@jollygoodfellow3957]

I hate people saying "our" universe. It's not. It's the Dragon Ball universe. North and South America don't even exist on Dragon Ball's Earth.

[@churdburplaysroyale5976]

JollyGoodFellow yeah I mean for fucks sake their king is a dog

[@alucard2559]

JollyGoodFellow maybe because it's the only universe we've saw for the past 30 years

[@omeka8842]

human "king" are worse of the dog king.....

[@ConnorLockhartYGO]

Ninja Murasaki help up the Flag of the USA once.

[@Sierlea]

Observation: Whis has made *two* job offers for replacement gods of destruction, Goku and Vegeta, suggesting he may have had an eye out for getting a better one for some time. For Supreme Kais, we also have Kibito the Attendent Supreme Kai who's no better (doesn't like mortals, really lets Shin take the lead), and Old Supreme Kai... who's not exactly happy with the shape of things but who knows what his official position is since he missed everything, and has only been active for a handful of years.

[@godofdestructionbeerus8768]

UNIVERSE SEVEN SHOULD NOT BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!!!!

[@amerazmirohazam3134]

Then please try to do your jobs!

[@youchenglee7109]

Amer Azmi Rohazam job*

[@somerandomperson6511]

nah both gods are doing a horrible job, Beerus doesn't even have an excuse though

[@Undying3001]

Shin is a young Kai and all of his peers/underlings were killed by Buu.

[@12345allaaa]

So what if we make Goku the supreme kai and Vageta the God of destruction

[@joetri10]

Vegeta is more human than Goku is aha.

[@thediethrower1803]

noble 1000 Goku would suck as supreme Kai. I vote we promote elder Kai.

[@DF01Parker]

noble 1000 Goku would be the god of destruction

[@eastsupremekai2204]

noble 1000 Goku just wants to fight, he would give no shits about protecting the universe, it's in his blood.

[@cainabel6356]

@ East Supreme Kai - Actually Goku is known to be a protector of worlds. Did you not notice, he did try to protect Namek, but the punk Freeza just wanted it gone, in order to kill Goku and his friends. Then in the Buu arc Goku says we have to raise our power levels, in order to get Buu's attention, so that he would come directly to them, so that Kid Buu would stop destroying planets. So, yea, Goku does actually protect planets.

[@bluewind7567]

Oh and also masakox I checked apparently Frieza is under control of 448 planets and unless of all 448 planets what is his total count and they sent all got destroyed major plot holes here

[@alfinasherufynaizi1094]

[@MrLeaf-ib4xu]

What I find weird is that a universe's mortal level is not based purely on strength and yet, they are settling who exists and who doesn't by a fight.

[@baratacom]

In Shin's defense, it's possible that he was an apprentice or just fresh out of apprentice by the time the other supreme kais went to push daisies. This is why he's so invested in dealing with Majin Boo, after all, not only that put a LOT of work and stress on his back, but it also denied him of proper training, basically leaving an intern to do everyone's job. It also explains Beeru's behavior with Shin, considering that for him Shin's just a brat who is unable to do his job (even if said job severely piled up on him). Also, the tree that spawns celestial people....well, considering we're talking about what essentially are immortals, a couple hundred thousand years is literally nothing for it, so it's not only possible, but also likely that its "spawn cycle" is very, very, VERY long, hence why it's so bad to kill kais and the such. And that last bit's supposing the damn tree doesn't have some sort of sentience and just deemed universe 7 a failure or the whole situation wasn't part of some other kai's scheming.

[@BanditOfBandwidth]

I wouldn't be surprised if something like this happens: - Universe 7 loses - Goku and pals get away just in time to Universe 6 - Beerus sent the Super Dragonballs to Universe 6 before the universal obliteration, to ensure their continueing existance. - Goku and pals are stuck on Planet Sadal - Possible uprising against the gods and their arrogance to mortals, create an army of Super Saiyan Gods out of the good hearted saiyans on Sadal, etc etc vs the winner universe and the 4 that we're left out the tournament & the Grand Priest. - ??? - End up clearing things out with Zeno and wishing all universes back with the super dragonballs.

[@H0rcrux]

Points for comparing Supreme Kai and Beerus to Bulk and Skull!

[@lordvaust5830]

When you consider the murder spree of majin buu, and Freeza's enslavement/extinction of numerous races in the universe it's totally possible that only 28 of them harbor civilized life. With very few habitable planets left after planet destroying beings (including beerus too) many species would have to share planets and live together.

[@ElemArkef]

I think the number 28 makes a lot more sense if you look at it as the number of planets that have birthed a species capable of interstellar travel, a species capable of higher level interactions with the gods and the interstellar community at large, which is the point, I think, a supreme kai is supposed to nurture planets towards. Sure, Buu and Freiza have landed on countless worlds but not many of them were very advanced and freiza's whole gig was clearing off these primative species to sell the planets to other members of the intergalactic community, the other 27 races mentioned.

[@faromon3]

Let's talk about Universe 10's GoD that was no where to be found while one of his Kais went power mad, ruined a timeline in another universe, and had to be killed by the GoD of Universe 7. Zamasu was kiiiinda right. Mortals in his and Universe 7 were... eeehh.. #Zamasuwasright . So now... I wonder where universe 10 ranks in the Mortal Level.. If 9 and 7 are at the bottom. prolly 3rd lowest above 7.

[@Drethrake]

MasakoX You bring up the point of the Freeza Empire, and even in the abridged there's "419". Think there's a similar number in the Bardock movie. Doing the math we can guestimate that Freeza conquers worlds for a "Buyer" who is a lesser lord of that world who answers to him as Emperor. In which case, however many planet Freezas there are, there would be twice the amount of buyers. When we look at the diversity of freeza's minions, we can see some belong to the same race "Jeice, Salsa, Zarbon" but then, Burter probably was the strongest of his planet, Recoome the strongest of his world, and Ginyu being an entity who swapped bodies with various strongest of their perspective worlds to get to his top spot. Let's look at King Kai next. He barely paid attention to Earth except when Goku showed up for training. He knew about Namek and the Saiyans which indicates (to me) that Namek, Planet Vegeta, the bulk of Freeza's operations, is just in the NORTH QUADRANT. So if we estimate at LEAST 200 worlds that are space worthy (let's view being space worthy as being a developed world, Earth would not be space worthy without Bulma and her family). We can estimate at the very LEAST: 1000-2000 developed worlds. 4 kais, 4 quadrants, or 'Galaxies'. 28 worlds? I doubt it. Unless Beerus, Kid Buu, and Vegeta when he was cleaning house of the Freeza Empire blew everything up. Even if they did, there are the OTHER THREE QUADRANTS.

[@NamekuBushi]

Despite everything, it's not TOO late for the Kai situation to be rectified. Remember, Shin is doing the work of 5 people. If it were ever to be brought up, they could bring in new Kais to help mitigate the situation. If anything, help light a fire in Shin's belly. As for beerus, something tells me, he's going to develop piccolo syndrome.

[@irondizasta07anything4like3]

thank god for masako otherwise id have nothing to do while im waiting for the school bus every morning

[@haberdasherfetishist7208]

"Taken into account", in the sense that they're asking the question, not that we actually have an answer.

[@jessebrown1996]

Technically you can not say that Goku saved a universe since Zeno had clearly forgot, want evidence? Zeno had not destroyed all the universes that were low in Trunks timeline, meaning in that timeline he hadn't bothered destroying them all, by all means Goku caused this.

[@ammash3000]

Well in Shin's defense, he was still in training when the Buu crisis occurred and left him as the only one until Elder Kai was freed from the Z-sword... There were a lot of things he didn't learn, like the function the Potara earrings...

[@gwgux]

I agree with you Masako and I'd like to throw out the question of "How much of this is Whis's fault?" Being ranked so low means that even Champa who is not even in shape is doing a better job in Universe 6. From what we've seen Whis's sister, Vados, does a much better job of handling Champa and getting things going while Whis doesn't seem to do much about handling Beerus and would rather eat. I'm not saying that Shin and Beerus aren't off the hook, they're definitely the ones responsible and need to be held accountable, but Whis trained Beerus so one would think he would've tried to teach him better than that so that failure at least would fall on Whis.

[@BigHeadClan]

The fact that Whis was so eager to making Vegeta or Goku a god of destruction really comes full circle when you consider he is looking for a replacement for Beerus.