Masked Hero or Neos Which Was the Better Deck Upgrade? Yu-Gi-Oh! Discussion.

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

Considering Barians, Astral world, and whatever the hell is going on in Go rush, kaiba was way ahead of the curve.

[@michaelkeha]

He probably figured after all the magical bullshit he had to deal with fuck it let's see if aliens exist to maybe they won't cheat with magic and yugioh

[@pedrorodrigosilvacaldas7703]

Actually all of those duel before the game was created on earth, Kaiba was actually very late to join the party

[@raymundoalvarez6214]

If we're talking real life, then masked heroes easily; no other heroes compare. But if we're talking about the anime/manga, then Neos. As ridiculous as the story is of how he got them, he never lost after getting them. Manga jaden was catching Ls with masked heroes to Aster and Atticus😭

[@lordsibiya9351]

Neos Kluger,Neos wiseman,

[@Zetact_]

I mean if you want to judge the cards as they were in the original series, the Masked HERO cards weren't even good. If they were printed one for one with the manga effects (or lack thereof) they would be worse than the original five.

[@maltheopia]

Just goes to show how much plot armor Jaden had TBH.

[@raymundoalvarez6214]

@@Zetact_ That's a very fair point, and I agree, but at least they still required less resources and some of them were fairly similar to the ones we have today. But yeah they were garbage comparatively in the manga lmao

[@raymundoalvarez6214]

@@maltheopia Oh absolutely lol his deck is legit all bricks, the writing just allowed him to have the specific spells for each hero. Chazz was the same with all the mesh in there. And zane literally opened every duel with Poly, 3 cyber dragons, defusion and power bond lmao lots of plot convenience

[@christopherb501]

The Neo-Spacians would have been more of an "upgrade" if they all came with a self-summon effect that could build off of original HEROes, i.e. just Special from hand with a Normal/different Attribute out; and if the Neos Fusions _could_ be traditionally Fusion Summoned, and just had the short-lived Contact gimmick as an option.

[@nathanvertil7355]

That's a clever way! Swapping out Avian for Hummingbird, Burstinatrix for Scarab, etc. I like this! Konami needs to hire the people who actually play and understand the game and its mechanics.

[@aozorahaou2643]

They honestly need to do that and they're kinda starting to give Elemental HEROES and Neo-Spacian​s some form of synergy thanks to Power of the Elements its not much, but it's a start @nathanvertil7355

[@biztek5726]

That first part where you talking about the self summon effect is what I'm really hoping they'll do if they ever revamp them. Just let them self summon when you have a HERO on the field. Also, give them a clasue that treats them as Elemental HEROs so they synergize with old HERO support. They should also revamp the Contact Fusions to work like the Yubel Fusion and Vicious Astroud or just make them Links. And if they ever want to give "Omni" HEROs another try, maybe by making Level 10 versions or doing tri-attribute fusions, have the Neo Spacians be considered as HEROs would make that easier

[@thedarkspirit5084]

Neo Spacians would need a revamp where they can be special summon if Elemental Hero Neos is on the field. That would help make it easier to contact fuse and their fusions also need a revamp if they're sent back to the Ex Deck, they can special summon both Neos & the monster it contact fused. Or just Neos, but add another Neo Spacian with a different name. So you can contact fuse another one the next turn if Neos survives.

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

You know what we should've had? Elemental Heroes+Neo-Spacians fusion monsters, just imagine these combos; Neo-Elemental Electrum Neos Neo-Elemental Lady Firefly (Burstinatrix+Flare Scarab) Neo-Elemental Graceful Eaglewing (Wingman+Air Hummingbird) Neo-Elemental Hydro Fin (Bubbleman+Aqua Dolphin) Neo-Elemental Underhog (Clayman+Grand Mole) Neo-Elemental Spark Cat (Sparkman+Dark Panther) Neo-Elemental Wysp Kuriboh (Winged Kuriboh+Glowmoss)

[@ThrillingDuck]

This would have also had the benefit of making Jaden's hybrid Hero/Neo-Spacian deck actually make sense. In the anime, he's basically just splashing this disparate archetype into his pre-existing deck and it makes no sense for the build lol. Neos is supposed to be the bridge I guess? But Neos can't even interact with the other Elemental Heroes, so it's just like wtf?

[@the199dirtrider]

Still waiting for main deck masked heros in the tcg. Great video!

[@zero.coldheart]

When that day come we can summon contrast hero choas

[@jordanb.8746]

Konami won't do it. They don't want HERO to have an Omni negate and if they do then contrast Hero chaos will definitely get a retrain

[@zero.coldheart]

@jordanb.8746 Well atleast there 40 more cards from manga which still ready to be printed like elemental change which form change but for e hero it be great for great tornado when wingman not needed oresle instant mask change which discard and summon mask hero in start of battle phase

[@JadenOmega]

I like the Masked Heroes. They're cool. But I like Neos more. Because it feels like Jaden created this deck from his imagination and his imagination came to life. It feels like they support the Elemental Heroes so well because Jaden created them, and it definitely would make sense if Chumly created the support for Neos and the Neo Spacians like he did with Skyscraper 2. But sadly they never said Chumly created the support for Jaden's deck, but it would be so cool if he did.

[@aozorahaou2643]

I swear after Season 2 Chumely should've gave Jaden a new card that synergies Neo-Spacians and Elemental HEROES like Pegasus in the dub wondered did they ever release Neos yet meaning they were going to and Pegasus knew about the Neo-Spacians since he must've been involved in Kaiba's card creation competition

[@Red-Rebel]

I honestly lean more toward the Neo-Spacians. While most of their story is goofy, the fact that they were made by Jaden/Judai I feel gives them a more personal feeling. It also ties into the sub-plot with Aster/Edo, where Jaden/Judai argues with him over how duels should be fun, and he beats Aster/Edo using a deck that literally came about as a result of Jaden/Judai's love for dueling. Don't get me wrong, the Masked HEROs are cool and all, and them being used as him breaking away from his mentor is a neat idea, I wasn't too fond of them just appearing.

[@Zetact_]

Also it's a bit off the mark to say that Judai shouldn't use the original HERO monsters, the reason he uses them is just because he thinks they're cool and while he gets his Neo-Spacians as cards with a more personal connection it's kinda against the themes of the series to say that the mentality of "I like the deck, I'm going to use the deck" is in some way wrong. The Neo-Spacians not replacing his old HERO monsters but supplementing them, while from a strict gameplay perspective isn't optimal, from the storytelling perspective it does more thematically. In storytelling there's the concept of "thesis, antithesis and synthesis." Depending on the themes of your story you might want to choose to repudiate the antithesis and assert "no, the thesis was right" or you might want to do the opposite and say the antithesis is right, but GENERALLY the one with the most resonance is to say that neither the thesis or antithesis are entirely correct and so you create the new synthesis that takes positives from both and blends them. If the E-HERO cards are the synthesis, then the Neo-Spacians are the archetype that reaches synthesis while the Masked HERO pivot just goes to the antithesis.

[@reicherwallace6774]

Kaiba's random shower thoughts leading to a new deck archetype for a protagonist, that same protagonist's biggest antagonist (Yubel), and Zexels being a thing because he wanted to teach aliens to play a children's card game. 😅

[@AloneTheorist]

To talk real life dueling, cross combining both Neos and Masked Heroes makes the best upgrade especially with Shining Neos Wingman, Prisma, Stratos, Elemental Hero sunrise and Neos fusion as bridges. Mask change 2 can also turn neo spacians into masked heroes creating more powerful combos. Fusion duplication lets you fusion summon on your opponent's turn by banishing a fusion spell from your graveyard and duplicating it's effect, meaning you can banish any normal spell card fusion spell to apply it's effect whenever you feel like. In the anime and manga if fusion duplication exisited every fusion deck would have run it as it would have been a staple card in their worlds.

[@seanmiller4170]

I kinda like an idea where Jaden starts off with the super specific fusion material monsters like Flame Wingman then upgrading into the Omni Heroes since they had better effects

[@epicriku9162]

Kaiba sending cards into space only sounds crazy until you remember he essentially killed himself to go duel the pharaoh

[@GuardianGamerX]

This was a nice learning experience as GX was actually a fav anime to watch growing up, especially as never got a chance to read the yugioh manga at all

[@NecroNathancon]

1:55 I don't get why there's any surprise. This is totally in-character and on-brand for Kaiba.

[@xShinigamiRyukuux]

I love the idea of Hayato/Chumley being the one to give Judai the Neo-Spacians rather than getting them during an acid trip. It would mean give the conclusion of Hayato's arc have more meaning than just being written out.

[@mateiolteanu1916]

Dude, Masked Heroes rule. They are sick (plus made me watch Kamen Rider aka peak Japanese fiction)

[@Vinylmelody1517]

Still can't figure out why Konami released the extra deck masked heroes but not the main deck ones. Not even the biggest fan of heroes but I'd like to see the deck in a more complete form

[@pn2294]

What purpose would they serve?

[@Vinylmelody1517]

@@pn2294 nothing really I just want to know what they would look like or rather how bad Konami would mess it up.

[@Order-Sol]

Probably because "C • HERO Chaos" might be easy to come out either "Fusion", "Miracle Fusion" or "Favorite Contact". But my choice would have to be summoning him by using regular "Fusion" since I normally run two of them to begin with.

[@thegreatscribbles960]

I actually glad they didn't because how konami adapted cards back then was questionable imagine how bad fossils would be if they came out when they were shown. If they make masked heroes now they might be crazy

[@ArchingRock]

Neos feel a lot more iconic, but IRL-wise, Masked HERO is definitely crazy to use. I used to activate Form Change a lot in several duels. It's crazy effective if you're going for crazy damage to the opponent's LP

[@DarkShadowOblivion]

An ideal way to handle things would've been to combine both stories. Both versions stem from a similar starting point in Judai wanting a new deck to break away from another HERO user. The Neo-Spacians have a better connection in being Judai's own original designs, while the Masked Heroes were obtained more organically. I don't particularly think one is better or worse than the other, just that combining their stories would've been the perfect way to go about it.

[@Dratspider]

Neos is a better upgrade to me thematically while the masked HEROs are definitely better realistically.

[@edunevasca2554]

So in the manga the evolution of Judai deck was basically a Kamen Rider archetype,cool!. Especially the acid one because he looks like kamen rider Hibiki!.

[@dlefever070384]

I loved the masked heros and the manga,

[@7thHourFilms]

I never really liked the Neo-Spacians for the same reason you said, they don't fit with the Elemental HEROs. If it was just Neos and he had fusions with the existing HEROs, that would have been great because it would have been an evolution of the deck. Instead, Jaden just had a 2-in-1 deck that were vaguely related. Haven't read the GX manga yet but I just like the Masked HEROs more.

[@danielramsey6141]

If I had to be honest. I Feel that Had Neos came out with “E-HERO Brave Neos” and “Neos Knight” at the Beginning of his First Appearance! He would’ve been Received So Much Better! While the Neo Specian Creatures did add some unique additions and Advantages. They Sucked, they weren’t all that Useful in a Conjoined Deck, and mostly ended up in others! So it’s ultimately Better to Just play Neos without them and to focus on making fusions that Made the Ultraman-like (or Kamen Rider) Forms reflect the Previous Fusions, But So Much Stronger!

[@thegreatscribbles960]

Masked heroes were definitely but it was baffled me how dark law legit had no effect in the manga heck alot of masked heroes didnt have a effect all the main deck and even some other fusions so it always bothered me if it was actually a better gameolay wise then his old deck didnt help he only had it for 4 duels and lost 2 of them also Neo's thighs could a kill a man

[@Monkeylighthouse]

Even funnier than that was stratos, who had an effect when he first appeared, being able to attack directly by cutting it's own attack in half, but when he appears again, he's a vanilla. They took away his effect, it was a bad effect, but at least he had one 😭

[@adamcartrette4037]

I think the Neo Spacian and Elemental Hero Neos cards was a precursor to get the anime watchers hyped up for Syncho, Xyz, and Link.

[@showstopperexe]

I feel like if we ever get the main deck masked heroes, they should search mask change from deck or from graveyard when summoned to let them really get in on attacking

[@nathanvertil7355]

Kaiba's reasoning to send cards into space isn't all that crazy compared to what he did in the DSOD movie. I'm just saying. 😂

[@ventusace9054]

Kaiba is the example of having too much money and too much free time.

[@nathanvertil7355]

@@ventusace9054 building a WHOLE machine to go into THE AFTERLIFE just for a duel with Pharaoh Atem. That is the definition of obsessed.

[@ErikRePico12]

@@nathanvertil7355 I mean, couldn't he have... you know... unalive himself to make things easier?

[@nathanvertil7355]

@@ErikRePico12 That's extreme.

[@ericgropuis]

While I like Neos and the Neo Spacians they just have really great designs it didn’t seem like a natural progression and I believe the only time we saw a main character’s deck completely change it or get a brand new side of their deck added to their original deck. Yugi kept his same strategy deck, Yusei kept his Junk/Synchron deck just evolving his Stardust, Yuma kept his Utopia Onomatopoeia deck, Yuya kept his Performapal/Odd-Eyes/Pendulum Magicians and Yusaku kept his Cyberse deck. I love me some Elemental HEROs, took me awhile to like them because stuck with my nostalgia decks until the super hero aesthetic finally brought me in. Finally watched the GX anime and read the GX manga and really liked them and still play Fusion HEROs to this day. Now as for comparing the Neo Spacians to the Masked HEROs, just by going off of what happens in the anime and in the manga the Neo Spacians have the edge. Unlike the main deck Masked HERO who were just all really weak normal monsters, even though not having the best stats the Neo Spacians atleast had useful effects which got upgraded when fused with Neos. The Manga Masked HEROs didn’t have the best effects either. Dark Law and Anki were non-effect monsters, Koga, Blast and Divine Wind only had 1 effect and don’t have their second effect like they do in the actual card game. Acid was the best Manga Masked HERO because he still has his irl effect. They also don’t have Shadow Mist because they were also just a normal monster in the manga. I remember Masked HEROs losing a lot and Jaden going back to his nature Elemental HEROs for the final battle and no Masked HERO in sight. Neo Spacians while not the best still won a lot and also had powerful triple contact fusions not including the newer ones like Nebula Neos and Brave Neos. It’s a different story in the actual card game. Neos and the Neo Spacian does not splash with HERO support that well because the Neo Spacians are not HEROs I wish they were part of the overall HERO archetype and be called like Spacian HEROs or something but they aren’t. They aren’t able to really swarm as well as current HERO decks can and bascially just make 1 boss monster which will leave because Neo Space and Instant Neo Space are not worth running. Masked HEROs because they don’t have their main deck monsters, which I do hope we get them one day, are generic HERO support so any HERO strategy can be splashed with Masked HEROs namely Dark Law but there are decent other Masked HEROs. All of the Masked HERO support cards are also just generic HERO support cards too just can be mixed so well which is basically now how HERO decks have to play to stay competitive taking parts of all of the HEROs and making 1 giant league of HEROs. So it’s pretty easy to say in terms of show vs manga Neo Spacians were a better upgrade while in the actual card game Masked HEROs is where it’s at. For the longest time because of how splashable they are and Dark Law HEROs because known for just Dark Law Turbo instead of the Neos Alius Beatdown, Rank 4 turbo which I think is a welcome change because it lead to more just generic HERO cards and going back to the fusion strategy

[@NetherCrafterSMC]

Need a mixture of Neos and Masked Heroes for the future, plus some Masked Hero support. Some Neo Heroes, Neo-spacians being trained as Heroes.

[@tempzero997]

Kaiba's reason for sending cards into space is such a dang Kaiba thing to do 😂

[@mainmanstan7405]

When I got back into yugioh, the Masked Hero structure deck was the first thing I grabbed. I already loved GX and Power Rangers, so a sentai themed deck was too much to pass up.

[@cliffordmac]

Hey man that's one of my favorite lines from Kiaba😂

[@ventusace9054]

Same here but it is still insane 🤣 Granted sending cards to space to teach aliens to duel is one of the more normal things Kaiba has done.

[@cliffordmac]

@@ventusace9054 We are talking about a guy who has his own space station and has traveled to the ancient past and affter life I don't think anything is off limits for Kiaba haha.

[@Hynotama]

I never really cared for E-HEROes, but they did help my Red-Eyes in Duel Links a few times, so they did grow on me a bit. If I’d have to pick a favourite, it would be E-HERO Blazeman. But neospacians might as well not exist as far as I’m concerned. The mole thing was always just annoying.

[@fakename2890]

The neo-spacians look like versions of carman sandiago villains from the netflix cartoon. You got the mole that goes under ground, you got the glowing moss that is like a mime, the humming bird that is like the rock climber, the dark cat one is like that cat lady, the flaming bug I guess is blue beetle, but that is besides the point. Also the donphan is like aquaman no one cares. Also neos is over there like I am not even sure what those guys are? Are they suits that I wear?

[@aozorahaou2643]

Well Neos is based on Ultraman from Japan which is kinda funny since Neos and the Masked Heroes are based on two Japanese superhero series as Masked are based on Kamen Riders

[@hungryalmighty7156]

Imagine we get new support and having synergy with neos and masked heroes

[@Tyrant96]

For anyone saying neo Spacians isnt an upgrade y'all haven't played the new support...I only run 3 of 6 (Dolphin,mole, panther) and the new Spells make everything so consistent...Im smashing meta on Master duel...I cut my masked hero plays and added a new special summoner "Cross keeper" bros a god send...Ive beat Snake eyes, sowrdsouls, crows, destiny heroes, mathmech ets....Get your game on

[@thesenpai_zen]

Never liked the Neo Space cards. They’re summoning conditions were always too specific…

[@Knightmare0259]

The biggest difference is that the E heroes had greater significance in the manga from the start. We never got an E Hero origin story in the anime, so they became less unique with the introduction of Aster Phoenix. Because of this, moving away from them made sense. I didn't love the space section, tho.

[@hique.]

LightRay and Bassols dont skip levels with the mask change.... Koga is LVL6 in the manga and Daian was summoned with another spellcard instead of mask change if i recall correctly

[@hydrasfang]

I remember there being a Trap Fusion Card that Jaden/Judai used in the beginning of the manga to counter a guy that had a ring that messed with duel discs ability to activate spells. Does anyone remember what it was I think it let Jaden/Judai fusion summon on his opponents turn?

[@saiyanarmy9345]

I was so surprised when Chazz beat Judai

[@BlazeQuadZ]

OCG/TCG: Masked Heroes, at the time of their release they were much better. Neos aside from Alius and Rainbow had never seen any viable play. The reason is simple, most Anime Neos/E Hero cards were nerfed, while most Manga E Heroes were buffed. Just look at what Stratos, Absolute Zero and Dark Law do in the Manga and then how much they were buffed. That is also why Anime Neos/Heroes would probably be better. Anime Neos Knight and Neos Wiseman are much better than their real life counterparts. You'd also have to take into consideration that Neos Heroes got a massive nerf in 2008, when the Extra Deck limit was created (which changed how they designed Fusions). Most Manga Extra Deck monsters were released afterwards, which shows, since they all became generic. Tldr. Had Manga Heroes been printed when Neos originally was and Neos Cards had been Anime only till 2014, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[@rixarts14]

As a kid I lived the Neos cards. In college, I managed to collect all of them and achieved a childhood dream. Now that I played with them, yeah they suck in actual gameplay. They take up space and while they have good abilities, they just weren't viable for the newer mechanics. Trust me I know. Contact fusion was cool but weak sauce. I heard of Masked Heroes due to the Hero Strike Structure Deck I got after needing a new deck. And I LOVED THEM!! I know Heroes have been hogging the spotlight but the Masked Heroes are fantastic. Then I caught up to the manga and discovered their origins. Still waiting for the main deck Masked Heroes to make an appearance. Also their summoning method is infinitely better than contact fusion. If you ask me, the Masked Heroes should've been the deck upgrade in the anime as they were in the manga. Keep the same story, Judai designed them as a kid and this was his take on the archetype he plays. Though the Neos Spacians will always have a place in my heart.

[@rayhayes7701]

Guyver/Ultraman reference vs Kamen Rider reference? I don’t know and to be honest I don’t really care which was better

[@danielramsey6141]

Same here! Personally, I don’t mind if Jaden Used Either of them since Neos was an Elemental HERO of the Cosmos that could contend with Light and Darkness Entities in the Anime. Masked HEROES were to Show How Jaden Had Grown and Came up with his own Style of HEROES that were an Evolution of the Elemental Heroes but with a One Card Fusion Method. Though if I to be honest. I Feel that Had Neos came out with “E-HERO Brave Neos” and “Neos Knight” at the Beginning of his First Appearance! He would’ve been Received So Much Better! While the Neo Specian Creatures did add some unique additions and Advantages. They Sucked, they weren’t all that Useful in a Conjoined Deck, and mostly ended up in others! So it’s ultimately Better to Just play Neos without them and to focus on making fusions that Made the Ultraman-like (or Kamen Rider) Forms reflect the Previous Fusions, But So Much Stronger!

[@Order-Sol]

The only cards I can see play is "E • HERO Neos", two of the "M • HERO" monsters like "Dark Law" with "Blast", and finally "E • HERO Shining Neos Wingman". Those are one of the four best "HERO" Fusion monsters that Jaden would ever use.

[@digidrveKJ]

The Neospacians being sent to space is also part of Yubels backstory later on

[@zero.coldheart]

I'm still waiting for main deck mask hero . I made an insane board lock which allow only 1 backrow for oppo since great shogan shien be summoned by wake up in oppo turn and plasma to negate while having fav contact which go great with main deck mask hero 🫡to negate that one spell / trap

[@Firey123]

OH MY GOD THANK YOU I WILL NOW SKIP THE FIRST MANGA AND GO TO GX. I never knew he got masked heros in the manga I thought they just came out of nowhere. I used masked in high school so much no one ever played me till someone bought a copy of the winning World Championship deck just to beat me.

[@jeremymorris345]

I just realized how is Jaden allowed to use the Neo Spacians. To everyone else wouldn't they be fake cards. Like Kaiba shot them into space and presumably were never released to the public. Also if Kaiba can make card why can't he just make op cards only for himself.

[@khaisianteh4153]

Evil HERO-Evil Neos,Evil-Spacian & new Evil HERO Fusion Monster

[@Trekkie46]

But you didn't mention his ultimate upgrade: Evil HEROs

[@alisterkold]

@ventusace I have a huge problem with you saying that people have a problem with u using the og Japanese name I feel call it what y want because it's your video

[@kuro4warrior232]

I enjoy how the anime and manga do different things.

[@douglas7411]

I hope some where in the future konami boost masked hero and make contrast hero better . The current contrast hero is like soso to me now especially with the current material needed

[@Odd-Eyes-s8u]

i still like jaden name better but i really enjoy this video

[@ibotygo598]

MASKED HEROES!!! I "Honest"-ly don't like how Neos monsters return to the Extra Deck, and even though can contact fuse (without poly), the effects are not worth it!!!

[@theomnigamer9177]

Cosmo Neos? The opponent can’t activate card effects. Nebula Neos? Draw cards equal to the amount of cards your opponent controls, then negate one card on the field (could be Nebula meaning it doesn’t return). Dark Neos? Negate a monster your opponent controls until it works (Appolusa can’t stop it). Magma Neos gains 400 attack for every card on the field including itself. All the Neos fusions are worth it. The triple contact ones and Cosmo Neos do something when they return to extra deck. Storm returns every card on the field back into the deck. Magma Neos returns every card on the field into the hand (so the opponent would have to use their traps then or practically never). Nebula Neos banishes every card on the field face down (good against decks that need certain cards). And Cosmo Neos destroys every card the opponent controls.

[@anave4810]

It really depends on how you make the deck, my Neos variant defeated my friend masked hero variant, and he has defeated other variants on master duel. So again, it really depends on how you make the deck.

[@randx1075]

1:43 insert Rush Duel here

[@sabener6255]

i like the reason he changed his deck more in the manga than in the anime

[@Recon-601]

Kaiba pulled an Ishizu

[@michaelmurray8134]

I actually agree with the neos that fitted the anime plot. But I think they also could have still done it with manga upgrade. After losing to Aster and falling into a slump, Jaden could have had a dream about the other heroes opening the door to omnifusions, getting the other elemental heroes as well as terra. In the third season, he could have discovered the mask heroes.

[@pn2294]

That wouldn’t really make sense because of how generic they are.

[@williamholtzclaw3029]

I just dont know why the neos monsters arent HEROES, idk it's always bothered me

[@thedarknight307]

Off topic but Kaiba is fucking insane lol Creates Time Machine and machine to travel to the afterlife It works Creates a academy to teach kids to duel It’s successful Created a space program to teach aliens to duel IT WORKS

[@CarbonMalite]

I'm surprised Masks never picked up in popularity, given how popular sentai are in Japan.

[@208getalife]

Honestly, though, the upgrades are a lateral move. Both are more entrneched in Japanese media and nostalgia, as opposed to the more Americanized media and nostalgia that he starts with. It just seems like cultural illiteracy to me to not "get" Neos and how it's an evolution of Judai's anime deck.

[@maltheopia]

We get it. The deck just sucks, and it sucks that people are using 'lol cultural consistency' to excuse a deck that made partnering with him a chore in Tag Force/World Championship and made his duels even more contrived than they already were.

[@208getalife]

@@maltheopia I didn't say anything about the mechanics of the deck, I'm speaking from it in the same terms of narrative cohesion and validity that the poster is. Also it sounds like you just aren't that good at GOAT-adjacent formats if you thought partnering with Jaden was hard, he was legit one of the easiest partners to run with in those games, and almost always was the easiest partner available in the first grouping available to both get and work with. The only step 1 partner who's easier to work with is Zane but he's much harder to get, and that was in the game where Jaden didn't even HAVE Neos. You're full of cope today.

[@maltheopia]

@@208getalife I don't care about narrative cohesion if it makes watching the actual show boring. Narrative cohesion is what made Yusaku's duels from Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS a chore, because he's a high-stakes Batman-level genius who straight-up can't lose duels. It makes the duel portion of the show largely pointless, even if I thought he was an interesting character. Jaden's switch to Neos makes it even worse. The deck is so bad that it completely suspends disbelief that he was able to never lose a single duel. Unlike Yusaku, his duels weren't even interesting as a power fantasy, because instead of running an overpowered meta deck Neos just ended up humping the leg of plot armor. If Jaden was actually allowed to lose duels after getting Neos, that wouldn't be so bad, but it's just awful. So if narrative cohesion is going to suck all of the tension out of the most important part of a Yu-Gi-Oh! anime, the duels, then I don't want narrative cohesion. As far as the games go: Jaden's deck is passable in TF1. Not as good as Chumley, Zane, or Bastion (especially Stirless Earth version), but still much better than Syrus and Chazz. E-Heroes aren't very good, but you can work around it with Warrior beatdown. Jaden's Neos deck is borderline unusable in TF2, but no page 1 character in TF2 has good decks so he gets a pass. Tyrano's deck is the only one you don't have to build your strategy around. You have to build around it, and even when you do, the result is just merely okay. At least when you build around Aster and Jesse you have Perfect Circle/Crystal Abundance to shoot for. It's not as bad as Syrus and Blair and Chazz's deck. The problem is that TF2 is the worst game of the Tag Force franchise, so who cares? The only reason to play TF2 is if you wanted to play the last meta before Synchros was introduced, but in that case, why aren't you just playing World Championship 2007/2008? Jaden straight-up has the worst deck of Page 1 characters in Tag Force 3. Seriously. Even worse than Chazz and Syrus. Because at least Chazz and Syrus can benefit from Synchros in that game. Jaden can't. If you use Synchros with, say, Alexis's Manju/Senju or her Cyber Angels, it doesn't necessarily lock her out of her deck's gimmick (or in Chazz's case, it gives him an out from his crappy cards). You can still use Advanced Ritual Art even after she tunes her searchers/cybers. Jaden has no such out, making his deck the worst of the page 1 characters.

[@208getalife]

@@maltheopia I'm not reading all of that, but you seem like a bundle of laughs at Regionals.

[@maltheopia]

@alife YOU going on about Neos critics not being able to critically think about the franchise. So if you're going to get pissy when people explain their reasoning, how about you just keep your mouth shut?

[@jorgecarrillo1044]

The Masked Hero by a landslide. For one, like you mentioned, the way Judai got the neo spacian was incredibly nonsensical. With the added prospect that Judai was being a sore loser after his duel against Edo that led to that point. (Yes it was a lot more than that, but that doesn’t really change how Judai poorly handled the loss.) Whereas the progress to getting the Masked Hero feels like something anyone could do. Judai probably opened packs and did some trading to get the cards, though that sadly was offscreen. But it is far more likely to happen than going into a fever dream and magically getting cards of your own design because you are the chosen one. Ultimately it comes to how the Neo Spacian comes off more like plot devices, and the Masked Hero feels like natural progression for Judai characters. I just love the idea of the Masked Hero so much more. Sorry not sorry.

[@pn2294]

He literally couldn’t see his cards anymore

[@chrisdonovan9872]

As a guy who like charecter decks his mask heros are op

[@jormungardwe]

Neos was the better upgrade since base anime e heroes was the epitome of garbage, while mangá e heroes was overpowered from the start even if the masked heroes upgrade outclasses all.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Masked heroes. At least they don’t die without a technicolored field spell

[@TheAzulmagia]

I can't believe Kaiba saved the universe by infecting the minds of hostile aliens with the same card game addiction that often cripples the plans of the earthbound villains.

[@punkvspod]

(off topic) so let get this Stright. Kaiba doesn't believe in magic, despite seeing firsthand, and it benefited him. but he has no problem believing that Alien exists. anyone? anyone at all?...

[@obiwon1237]

0:46 I like the idea of Chazz defeating Judai. The anime missed out on moments like this. Jaden was OP.

[@thegreatscribbles960]

Why is when people mention kaiba teaching aliens how to duel they never mention zexal did it first they always go straight to rush

[@amaterasu1322]

Kaiba was on some real shit😂😂😂😂 I swear this guy is the definition of child in a mans body

[@anthonythomas305]

GX manga should have got a anime adaptation in Yugioh

[@g.n.a4871]

Darklaw is better then all the old fusion except rainbow combined

[@FateburnXVII]

should've abide by the series tradition by using his last name, xD

[@xD4rkridex]

Its Jaden not Judai

[@ventusace9054]

I guess someone should tell all of Japan that they got the name wrong.

[@dimlightbedroom-nb5go]

Yeah like how you say Chazz instead of Jun, english names ftw

[@crashclown2979]

Manga no doubt. Not even close. Check out some youtube manga jaden anime duels and you'd see how broken and fun some of those hero cards are.

[@tintillor]

I like Judai better too. But WTH did you use all the english names for the other characters? Consistency please.

[@ventusace9054]

I use the names I personally prefer. I like the name Judai over Jaden, but also Like Chazz over Jun and Aster over Edo. So sorry by not abiding by one naming convention over the other, but I just go with what I like and provide pics so people know who I am talking about.

[@xell4701]

I always preferred the manga to the anime

[@user-qd8wn8cg3x]

Dang that judei vs manjoume in the manga was make me hype while reading.... Judei has no plot armor in that match..both duel with skills... Nothing but skills only.. Manjoume has a purpose... Unlike in the anime... Also ... I still blame the konami for still making MA'AT an effect monster instead of a fusion.. ALSO why is still no support for it till now!?

[@ventusace9054]

You bring up something I actually never considered that MA'At should have been a fusion. That was actually a really strange choice, especially considering this is GX it would have made a lot more sense for it to be a Fusion.

[@gudakoalter]

and here I thought Kaiba only thinks od dragons and dragonmaids. Kaiba is the reason we have Barians and Rush Go.

[@JanizMakudomaru]

Irl its Masked Heroes. Easily. In terms of the works we saw them in, Neos Space. Sadly.

[@TheDizzyDungeoneer]

Masked is infinitely better and cooler than Neospacians. Not only are Neospacians terrible in real world while masked is like at the peak of hero but neo space feels very unfitted to the whole hero theme it's kind of random and tacked on. If we're talking about fans of both the anime and the actual card game it's even arguable that Dark Law is more iconic than Neos as a card due to how good it is

[@tuxedeoboi9155]

The Neo cards are cooler, but the masked heroes were better introduced.

[@Order-Sol]

I would have to go with the Manga Judai's decl better than his anime counterpart. His deck just feels so much consistency, and it improved a lot of his deck, especially Judai's EX deck.

[@haveuever1999]

The snith family is great

[@ventusace9054]

Yeah can't wait to read Jada's new book 🤣

[@onedepressedgamerm6525]

Maskd was definitely superior

[@frankspick7544]

neos all the way was the better upgrade. On the simple fact that jaden went back to his old deck when facing the bad guy. I'm sorry but there is no good argument for saying that there the better upgrade if jaden didn't bother to keep it till the end.

[@Scalesthelizardwizard]

I'm gonna be biased and say Masked Hero cuz their based on Kamen Rider and I love Kamen Rider

[@dantegallardo1974]

I need a hero

[@triforceofcourage100]

The heck is a masked hero

[@Chosenleaf11]

Omniheros and masked hero’s.neo specials are horrible except grand mole

[@desmonides]

Masked Heroes

[@herohut725]

Can't wait for Elon Musk to also send Yu-Gi-Oh cards into space

[@ventusace9054]

The only card he is probably launching into space is a Crypto Visa card.

[@maltheopia]

Let's see. Neo-Spacians made Jaden's deck go from barely passable in Tag Force 1 to unusable crap in Tag Force 2/3, Masked Heroes actually made Jaden surprisingly decent in Tag Force Special. Hmm, can't decide on this one.

[@KaoruMzk]

Neos is objectively a downgrade. Also, I don't care if you use Japanese or English names, but at least be consistent. If you're going to call Judai by his Japanese name, do the same for Manjoume (Chazz) or Edo (Aster)

[@ventusace9054]

I go with my preference. I like Judai over Jaden but prefer Chazz and Aster of Edo and Jun. People know who I am talking about regardless.

[@raziel8084]

Neos=Plot Armor

[@johnlabu1154]

It's ironic really. Jaden is judai which is short for judaism and yubel which has a german name in her other form.

[@obiwon1237]

0:08 sounds a bit antisemiskimmed

[@louiswalusimbi8006]

Masked Hero. The Neos Archetype is shit