Mass Effect 2 Cut Grunt Post Conflict with Mordin Dialogue

This dialogue would have played had you chose Mordin over Grunt during their argument that was originally meant to take place after both of their loyalty missions were complete. This was changed as Bioware wanted the love interests to have conflicts. These lines are fully voiced/animated and don't play in game due to a plot check not being accessible.

[@JasonKim-ux7dq]

Right decision cutting this honestly; Grunt seems pretty indifferent about genophage personally. Wouldn't really fit the character fighting Mordin over it.

[@MrAsaqe]

Well that's what we thought when we decided to sabotage the cure to play both sides with Wrex. So Grunt is just reminding That Urdnot really needs that genophage cure if they are to maintain their authority

[@swiftroph]

​@@MrAsaqe Because by ME3, 2 years passed and Grunt had time to follow the Urdnot values. During ME2, he just got out of the tank and doesn't care.

[@carrinanorth4224]

​@@swiftrophthere's only 6 months between ME2 & ME3. I agree with your assessment but the 2 year gap is between 1 & 2.

[@hkleider]

You can justify it by presenting it as part of Grunt's newfound sense of Krogan identity after his loyalty mission and joining clan Urdnot.

[@MrAsaqe]

@@hkleider That's spot on actually on why the fight breaks out in the cut dialogue is because he learned about Mordin's genophage modification and trying to start a fight. You can shut down Grunt by telling Mordin has already beaten the Krogan with the modified genophage or tell Mordin's won't stop the Urdnot from being an resurgent force despite Mordin's efforts. Conversely you can tell them to work together or reminder Grunt who is in charge while telling Mordin how there would have been a lot more angry krogan chasing after him if they found out

[@iLegionaire3755]

Wrex Vs Mordin would have made a LOT more sense for this conflict. Them becoming friends at the end when Mordin cures the genophage is icing on the cake.

[@RealVivi998]

"This was changed as Bioware wanted the love interests to have conflicts." They chose the wrong approach to fixing that situation. Should have added Grunt and Mordin as love interests instead 😤

[@ProfDrBaum]

Would have liked a third confluct in the crew honestly

[@waxerwaer9700]

Nah I hate those. Annoying as hell every time Miranda/Jack are angry at Shepard because he didn't side with them in a single argument. And the only way to undo that anger is to have an ungodly amount of pure paragon/renegade.

[@spikey288]

@@waxerwaer9700 Not really ungodly, just play the game and you will have enough. If you skip stuff that's on you.

[@waxerwaer9700]

@@spikey288 You only have enough if you play near exclusively full paragon or renegade. I tried playing a mostly renegade shep that only showed the paragon side to the crew. Because that split my score 60-40, i was 'punished' for it.

[@spikey288]

@@waxerwaer9700 I always play paragade and I always have enough points to resolve the conflicts. The only way that you could possibly be that divided is if your character was incredibly conflicted to the point that it doesn't make sense narrative wise. Although I will admit it's not the best system.

[@waxerwaer9700]

@@spikey288 Its an awful system. Helping Garrus get revenge, saving Mordin's student's data, to murder or mind control the heritic geth. Those are all grey areas morally with conundrums you should consider deeply. But because you NEED the most paragon/renegade points possible for all the best choices the game encorages you not to actually think for yourself on what is right or wrong. If you play paragon, then just always just mindlessly pick the upper right choice no matter what it is.

[@antonioarredondo9680]

i love that grunt is much more mature than Mordin in this matter, which i guess is why the had to cut it, given how uncharacteristic of Mordin that would be

[@blueshit199]

glad they didn't add yet another one of these, this game already had too many patterns and schematical missions as it is, as much as I love it

[@ShadowMokujin]

Daddy shepherd giving his son tough love

[@DarkLord-7]

Is there a part to this with Mordin's dialogue where if you sided with Grunt instead?

[@BETRvids]

Yes. In the Mordin version, he either tells you he's tired of being yelled at and hoped it had stopped (Renegade option), but thanks you for talking to him about it. Alternatively, (Paragon) Shepard tells him that he didn't agree with Grunt, but Grunt needed to be stopped before he hurt Mordin. Mordin recognizes that Shepard was just patronizing Grunt and thanks him for the conversation. If you don't have enough Paragon or Renegade points, either of the other options involve him basically telling you he's there to do a mission and he'll see it done, but he starts referring to you as 'human' instead of Shepard... indicating a loss of respect and dedication.

[@MrAsaqe]

​@@BETRvidsAlso it would have likely affect final situation in Priority Tuchanka if you try to convince Mordin to not prevent the sabotage, if you didn't keep him loyal he make it blunt he owes no favors to humans and will cure the genophage to ensure final legacy isn't one tainted in his blood or if you regain his loyalty says he won't be manipulated again that his work must be invalidated to satisfy the Dalatrass and the Salarian Union who wouldn't bother to help humanity anyways, seeing them no different from the Krogan and fall of Earth is an acceptable loss

[@RimeyCH]

I understand why this was cut.

[@tlomofficial]

Do you plan to make a mod for their conflict? And the one of thane vs jacob (if its possible)?

[@wootlegion]

Honestly this confrontation wouldn't make sense and I'm glad that was cut. Hopefully someone can recover Jacob vs Thane's confrontation - now that would be interesting!

[@migueltoledo1884]

That’d be one more reason to leave Jacob behind in ME 2 honestly…

[@agentbullwinkle991]

I know that the dialogue was done by Bioware, but where did you get the animations? Are they mods?

[@vegz]

It's fully useable in game, the lines just have a plot check that isn't accessible without editing the save.

[@hero_kid8411]

​@@vegz What plot check, can you be more specific ? I would like to try it for myself.

[@matthewsimon6170]

​@@hero_kid8411I dont know exactly, but It's probably just the flag that pops up if both Mordin and Grunt's loyalty missions are done is just deactivated, meaning this scene, and the scene of the argument, can't play.

[@seangross5057]

Man, some of this cut dialogue and contact needs to come back in the next GEN upgrade

[@pugtie4695]

I know there was supposed to be some sort of argument between more than and grunt but does that mean that this is a mod

[@nobodycares3333]

I dont even know this exist 💀

[@EE-gk3kr]

How did you enable this scene in game? Is it a mod or did you set a flag in the game files to see it ?

[@joejosa8985]

Some of these are right to be taken out. Maybe there should had been different lines. Shep sounds like an a77 in these.

[@thealexkirschproject8036]

Where does this take place?

[@romanzusman2892]

But my guess is that it could have taken place after the Maelon's "misadventure"

[@thealexkirschproject8036]

@@romanzusman2892 This would have made sense. My first playthrough I brought Grunt along and I thought he was going rogue and drew his shotgun on Mordin and I. I freaked out and started shooting and realized we all drew our weapons.

[@BierBart12]

​​@@thealexkirschproject8036 You'd make ana amazing policeman lol

[@fatethefox]

like all the other conflicts this probably would trigger after you beat both Mordin's and Grunt's loyalty missions

[@OLD_MASTER117]

Crap

[@Snicketbar]

Eh, this isn't exactly anything new and has been done and better at that.

[@vegz]

Well if you read the description you would know that this was made by Bioware and is officially already in game. None of this was made by me.

[@Snicketbar]

@vegz I wasn't commenting on the existence of the audio. But rather how you made the scene. There's a youtuber that goes by the name Cshep that used to make the movie out of games. The big one being the Mass Effect Trilogy. Rigged up the models and reanimated the scene for a bunch of cut content. This scene being one of them.

[@vegz]

​@@Snicketbar I didn't make this scene. Bioware made this, I just made it accessible in game.

[@Loadingue8692]

@@Snicketbar I can't find this "Cshep" you're referring to, I'd really like to see what you're talking about.

[@Mr-Moron]

Sad but glad this was cut. Though a Thane and Jacob could’ve been something. Could’ve seen more of Jacob and why he’s such an ass to all aliens that come aboard (aside from Mordin). Maybe he’d find Thane writing dossiers on how to defeat the crew if they go rogue a lot like Batman in Tower of Babel. Could side with Jacob and tell Thane to stay in line and you take the information, or metaphorically slap Jacob upside the head and remind him Thane is crew too, despite his now former occupation and knowing how to defeat friends turned enemies could be useful if the Reapers get to any of them. Or you could Paragon and tell them both the mission is more important now. There will be times for planning and suspicion, but for now saving humanity is what’s needed. Or renegade and say it doesn’t matter. Thane can write all he wants but he can’t beat the crew, and Jacob can be suspicious all he wants but Thane is entitled to his privacy and hobbies. Probably out of character, but it was a moment’s thought. Just wish we got to see more of Thane. And maybe give Jacob some way to showing himself more.

[@83shadow3]

This is clearly from the legendary edition from the looks of it. Because in the original version Grunt gets no face visors but even in the original release version. Jacob has no problems with aliens he clearly says he does not trust assassins. Because they are just highly trained Mercenaries so he doesn't like Thane because he's a alien. He doesn't like him because he's a assassin he's fine with him being a alien but not his job. I don't know how you missed this because Jacob makes that point perfectly clear. He says I don't trust assassins he also has no problems with Garris or Tali or Grant Jacob is not anit alien he's anti assassin. He also doesn't trust the Geth either because of their actions in the first ME game. Jacob just doesn't trust people that kill people or killed people for money. Along with the Geth because of the events from the first game. If Zaeed was in the game when it was originally released Jacob would have a problem with him to. Because he's a mercenary but since Zaeed is a dlc add on character. They probably just didn't get to writing anything for him like with the thef Mercato he says nothing about her.