Mass Effect 2 - Everyone's opinion on Torture (Hidden Dialogue)

[@DaBase333]

Javik: Torture is pointless. Just throw him out of the airlock.

[@MrPsych77]

more like: Torture was far worse in my cycle

[@ladyselin35]

@@MrPsych77 We used to torture primitives if they refuse to join our empire.

[@TheArtofUTube]

Kasumi: I wish that was Donovan Hock in there.

[@Brax_Tax]

Ah, torture, how primitive.

[@thecircleoft.e.d2121]

Javik: In my cycle, acts of torture were never permited among the empire for gathering information; we'd only need touch them to sense their secrets, either what we wanted or something to persuade them to tell us. Only for executing traitors was it accepted.

[@jaedude]

"No one walks away from torture unchanged. Not the victim, not the torturer." Zaeed is actually spot on.

[@wolfsoldner9029]

Reminds me of Sayid from Lost.

[@jermasbiggestfan7796]

@@wolfsoldner9029 Man, thats a blast from the past

[@destryallen5123]

Unless the torturer enjoys it then it’s simply a completely different horror show

[@bohba13]

@@destryallen5123 reservoir dogs, stuck in the middle with you.

[@Dark_Voice]

@@destryallen5123 It will still deepen the sadism inside him and he will want more and more.

[@TheMeanMongoose]

When a Justicar, a ruthless merc, an assasin and an AI all agree on what you're doing is inhumane...you should probably reconsider your actions.

[@yoji0]

Even Grunt wasn't cool with it, even if it was for the wrong reasons.

[@EdVarkarion]

You forgot about two terrorists

[@gendoruwo6322]

i wonder what morinth would say...

[@FalconWindblader]

+Gendo she'd probably find it crude & boring.

[@yoji0]

Falcon Windblade But she'd probably keep up the justicar front to deflect suspicion, anyway. Predators like her are ruthless, but cautious.

[@dicio4001]

Now I'm looking at Shepard as this huge asshole who saw someone getting beat up and thought "Oh wow duuud, I should like totally bring everyone here to see how they react! Totally awesome!"

[@gendoruwo6322]

You saw a prison? I saw a zoo.

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

@@gendoruwo6322 you saw a zoo, I saw a slaughterhouse.

[@godofthebards8717]

@@watcherofmemelords7967 you saw a slaughterhouse I saw a barbecue

[@auraweiss638]

@@godofthebards8717 you saw a barbecue, I saw a Pirate

[@jorvach9874]

@@auraweiss638 You saw a Pirate, I saw a prisoner. We've come full circle...

[@Mister_Kourkoutas]

Grunt, Thane and Zaeed had the best moral insights on why Torture is wrong and Garrus and Legion had the best logical insights.

[@_ANGST]

Torture fucking everyone's psyche isn't logical?

[@LadyStoneheart312]

No, that's clearly a moral point. Torture is wrong, no matter how you look at it, but for different reasons. If it produced results, than it would be a logical but immoral thing. Since it doesn't even do that, both logic and morality do not accept it

[@BIGESTblade]

They all are missing the point. This torture isn't about geting information. It's about intimidation. They beat this one up so the others know what happens if they do not behave themselves. Stories are useful for mercs, the more scary stories people tell about them, the more people fear them, the more others fear a merc the higher will be his check.

[@legendgamer676]

Legions comment was the best in my opinion. Straight to the point and logical

[@vahidmoosavian6313]

@@BIGESTblade didn't think of that. Nice insight

[@dankerr9679]

If only we could hear Jack's response. But she's still chillin.

[@Immagonko]

David McCleskey what do you think she will tell you about prison guards??

[@sirdwarvenhine1147]

Jack: They were dead when I got here

[@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337]

Knowing her I bet her response is somewhere along the lines of: Who cares? Better him than me.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Ayyyy

[@WTFisTingispingis]

@@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 It depends on her character development, I guess.

[@nicholasemjohnson47]

Kasumi says, "Ugh, torture? These are some sick freaks."

[@roberthelmey205]

Do you know what Morinth would say, if she's even an option for this?

[@Aitherion]

Morinth imitates Samara in basically all radiant dialogue.

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

@@Aitherion aside from one throwaway line on thuchanka.

[@KingOpenReview]

@@watcherofmemelords7967 What does she say?

[@valmiro4164]

@@KingOpenReview She crushes on Grunt.

[@Torthrodhel]

I really like Zaeed's line here. It's so rare to get the effect on the torturer discussed whatsoever, in anything. Usually it's all focused on the victim and the results, the torturer is just a background prop. But when you could be creating a monster just as bad or possibly even worse than whatever their victim did... and summed up so succinctly, too. Valuable perspective.

[@212mochaman]

Shame you basically got the gist of that argument from the next prisoner when he said they get the boot before they turn into the prisoners level of sadism

[@hayleyblanch5895]

its better reinforced by how a prisoner mentions the high turnover rate with prison guards primarily because the guards get too cruel and risk killing prisoners as a result of torturing them.

[@ivans3483]

Zaeed is a weird one just cause that’s what he was doing when you meet him lol.

[@Torthrodhel]

@@ivans3483 yep, maybe he doesn't see things in his own behaviour like he sees them in the behaviour of others.

[@electroeel148]

While not the same situation, Akame ga Kill had a good example on what jobs like these can do to the psyche. The man in question was the executioner at a prison, every day he would go and lop the heads off of dozens if not hundreds of people at the chopping block a *day*. Their screams for mercy and salvation haunted the executioner to the point of madness.

[@innercloud2113]

Zaeed brings up a very real and very sad point ;~;

[@gendoruwo6322]

This is why you should not beat your spouse, or your child. It's just too sad.

[@FatBestialSwan]

That's probably how he knows that it's not worth the price.

[@ricoco7891]

Inner Cloud Fuck that some pricks deserve torture

[@pillarmenn1936]

@@ricoco7891 if your torturing someone then your just giving them or someone else the chance to kill you. just cap them and be done with it

[@marbledgold0605]

And it rhymed

[@SheepIn6Flavors]

Zaeed's words are, oddly, the wisest ones.

[@InitialPC]

be wary of old men in a profession where men die young

[@TheSilverRaven13]

@@InitialPC One of my favorite ways to describe Zaeed right there 🖤

[@MrFilbert28]

@@TheSilverRaven13 Even though as a DLC Kasumi's overall mission is much better than Zaeeds, I always found Zaeed to be the more interesting character of the two.

[@Chico50445]

Wow, even Zaeed is against the torture that's saying something.

[@john42235]

Even miranda and mordin is against the torture ?

[@timemonkey]

johnny1248 Mordin would always be against torture. For the same reason he refuses to experiment on sentient beings, it's unnecessary, immoral and disgusting. He'll kill but he kills quickly, and always with a point.

[@john42235]

It figures that he can kill fastly from the way he speaks fast

[@TheRomanRuler]

Well, as long as you remember this is a video game.

[@jassjake5137]

Not to mention Grunt, out of all krogans! The one who supposedly lacks a sense of honor seems to be disgusted by such a system!

[@Bagrah10]

Every party member apart from legion : "That's barbaric! Legion: "Inefficient"

[@elinfini]

Thane: "Petty and unprofessional" Grunt: "Just kill him already"

[@firestorm165]

Garrus: barbaric and inefficient

[@thesixthkid7689]

It's only inefficient if they're innocent. If they're guilty they'll break and tell you the facts. Now if they're innocent they'll come up with bullshit or constantly claim innocence to make it stop. How else did Shepard get to the 800 Blocks without the special dialogue after the "interrogation" with Thane?

[@RRW359]

Didn't Legion and Garrus essentially say the same thing?

[@FreemanicParacusia]

The Geth exterminated every Quarian that couldn’t find a way off Rannoch in the Morning War and spent the next three centuries killing any organic entering former Quarian space, including emissaries sent to open diplomatic relations with them. When the heretics departed from them, they neither warned the galaxy at large nor made any communication disowning them or their actions for two years after Sovereign’s attack on the Citadel, leaving everyone to think there was no distinction. It’s only through this offshoot’s (Legion’s) experiences outside their enclave that they come to understand the concept of individuality in the first place. Wouldn’t expect him to be excessively sentimental.

[@linkieloos]

Javik: Why torture when you can just throw them out the airlock?

[@elessal]

+linkieloos so true

[@psychronia]

+linkieloos Actually, I think they *do* throw people out the airlock as an example...

[@tarikay93]

I read that in his voice.

[@HeavenlyStar12345]

or eat them.

[@rockymckay1705]

In MY cycle we would throw them out the airlock

[@BrawlSnorlax]

Unexcited depth from Zaeed.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

guy's been places...

[@abductedbyfairies432]

Am I the only one that likes that character? Lol

[@gendoruwo6322]

it's so very true. Even the torturer will be damaged, the more he tortures, the worse person he becomes.

[@harleyhunt6073]

@@abductedbyfairies432 nah he's by far one of my favorites. He's like a more aggressive space Bronn. Always got good special comments & is valuable with his sniper.

[@abductedbyfairies432]

@@harleyhunt6073 like... He sounds like a space grandad. I like how he shares his stories, no matter how annoying it is sometimes ahahah

[@nicholasemjohnson47]

Wrex: Even Wreav isn't that much of an a**. Javik: You call that torture? That's nothing compared to MY cycle. EDI: Pain is an inefficient means of acquiring information. The subject will say anything just to satisfy the interrogator.

[@xlawxc]

Harbinger: "You feel this!"

[@Helena-mh6ti]

+XLaw Xc Do you know when/where Harbinger says that? Cause I don't recall ever hearing that line, only reading it online, and every time I hear it it cracks me up..

[@xlawxc]

Hellena In Mass Effect 2 Harbinger will "assume direct control" of collector soldiers during this he taunts you with various phrases one being the one you know and love. others include "This hurts you!" "You will know pain!" "Shepard, Submit now!" and many more.

[@Helena-mh6ti]

XLaw Xc Um wow, some of those sound oddly sexual.. Or maybe I'm just too xenophilic..

[@xlawxc]

Hellena And now you know why the Internet loves to quote those lines.

[@Codfan22222]

Shepard: What do you think of this Garrus? Garrus: Can it wait? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

[@timcosgrove707]

Jack: “Wow, they’re being pretty gentle today.”

[@ChromeHuffer]

Everyone's saying how wrong it is but Legion is just worried about the data being wrong

[@dennisnedry8126]

well, you gotta remember, geth aren't bound to their bodies like organics are. data's therefore pretty important to them. it'd be like us worrying about the peoples minds.

[@TheValentineEnemy]

A different way of pointing out why torture is wrong.

[@firestorm165]

Garrus said pretty much the same thing

[@johnmayernick9561]

He IS essentially a Robot.

[@nyetloki]

Legion isn't going to simp for some rando organic being beaten

[@BoxOFish7]

"A naked man has few secrets, a flayed man none"

[@Jeffemcd08]

Our blades are sharp

[@RavenRyy]

+Jeffe McDougal THE NORTH REMEMBERS!

[@Jeffemcd08]

RavenRyy you read the books if so you will love this quote no spoilers i think Corliss: ''Do you want to die, Wull?'' Hugo: ''I want to live forever in a land where summer lasts a thousand years. I want a castle in the clouds where I can look down over the world. I want to be six-and-twenty again. When I was six-and-twenty I could fight all day and fuck all night. What men want does not matter. Winter is almost upon us, boy. And winter is death. I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks. No one sings songs of men who die like that. As for me, I am old. This will be my last winter. Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die. I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull. I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue''

[@thedarkmaster4747]

Iron from ice... 😵❄😵

[@joeywild2011]

I like how even Grunt is basically saying: If you want to kill someone, don't do it while they're defenseless.

[@antonhallergren588]

Pedophiles deserve to be beaten to death over a very long time. Just saying.

[@casewhite-954]

Commies too.

[@joeywild2011]

@@antonhallergren588 Active pedophiles yes. Some who haven’t taken action and know it’s wrong should get help

[@joeywild2011]

@@casewhite-954 ???

[@KopperNeoman]

@joeywild2011 It should be all socialists. They're all enemies of life, liberty, and property.

[@youraverageinternetperson4323]

Nice to know that most of them are anti-torture. My favorite dialogue is probably Samara's, the second she sees injustice she resolves to correct it. One of my favorite characters

[@danielhaire6677]

If we hadn't gotten to shoot our way out, the instant she was released from my service, she probably would have come back on "vacation"

[@OmNomTomTom]

I can't get over Samara's statement. "Were I not bound by my oath to you Shepard, these guards would already be dead."

[@sanctumscream372]

Everyone's asking "Where's Kasumi", yet nobody bothers to realize this was 2 months before her DLC even came out.

[@floricel_112]

Kasumi was a DLC character?

[@blackspectre209]

@@floricel_112 Yes, incl Zaeed

[@MrOrdosan]

@@blackspectre209 ya. tecnically Zaeed...but in reality Zaeed was part of the "10 dollar used game fine" EA was pushing around that time...along side the cerberus network DRM.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

also, nobody asks "How's Kasumi?"

[@stevenstice6683]

@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Nobody asks "why is Kasumi" either.

[@TheAtheistChef]

You know. One of the things i liked MOST about ME series, especially in 3 is how they dealt with morality. Looking back at this video here was particularly interesting .. Mass Effect 2 came out in 2010. It took a Senate report in 2015 to let us know that Torture was a waste of time and that you would get bad data... However 2010, in a VIDEO game, 2 characters ( Garrus and Legion) pointed this out.

[@TheAtheistChef]

I just last night finished a Renegade run through where i was trying to lose as many characters as possible and be able to import to me3. All i had left was Jacob and Zaeed. This game feels sooooo empty..

[@1215298]

With your me3 empty play through Try getting kasumi and zaeed It's even emptier

[@thetruerift]

It's been common knowledge in the intelligence community since... roughly the Spanish Inquisition.

[@quesocoatl21]

Funny, the information Zarqawi spilled led to the death of many Al Qaeda in Iraq leaders.

[@g0atboy207]

Funny you should say that Garrus considering what you told me about "interviewing" subjects in the first Mass Effect

[@Daioblis]

Been two years since then. He learned and grew, as we all did.

[@basileus1092]

He's just speaking from experience, then!

[@Daioblis]

Though knowing him, he probably just intimidated them by just coming in and sitting in an aggressive stance and speaking as if he's ready to snap them in half at any given second, then he started asking questions and all of a sudden, he threw the table to the other side of the room and just stood over them, roaring at them to speak else he starts with the hard stuff. Worst case scenario, he'd grab the guy's head and push a blade right against his neck, ready to slit his throat, and then the guy speaks. So basically intimidation tactics, not actual torture. It really doesn't sound like Garrus. Then again, the whole Sidonis incident didn't sound like Garrus either, but we're talking pre-Reapers Garrus.

[@Killzoneguy117]

To be fair, there was that time Garrus beat the shit out of Harkin to get information from him

[@tyrantfitness]

Bioware got more liberal since ME1

[@TheVergile]

Samara: If i want bound by my oath to you... Shepard: Oh, the oath. Did you know you have sundays off?

[@registheron9752]

Shepard: Do you know you have vacation days? Samara: VACATION DAYS?!

[@CognizantCheddar]

Zaeed and Samara _by far_ have the best lines. Zaeed for the genuine philosophical insight. Samara because you know she's deadly serious.

[@Alessiel]

"It doesn't matter what he did. Nobody deserves to have that done to them." That was what Tali said BEFORE she found out he was actually the guy who wrote the original plan for ME3's ending.

[@danielpettersson4068]

+Jack Fairwind At least the extended cut DLC made the ending awesome. (has only played with extended cut)

[@S.AgentGadriel7369]

Imagine if the game just rolled credits after the Citadel fired, and you have a fair idea of why it was so bad.

[@Pheonixfirestar]

Daniel Pettersson it's still awful the endings were just terrible nothing truly changed just extended on what was wrong with it in the first place with still so many plot holes

[@mckdink]

😂😂😂

[@crazynico101]

Daniel Pettersson the endings are still bad, but now the game doesn't leave you COMPLETELY dumbfounded like wtf just happened

[@nicholasemjohnson47]

I know Jack doesn't have one, but assuming she did, I think she would say something like, "Compared to the h*** Cerberus put me through, that guy's getting a massage."

[@joeywild2011]

Nicholas Johnson True. Or maybe "I know what that's like. Poor bastard will never be the same."

[@antonhallergren588]

Thing is she didn’t even get the worst of it. At cerberus plus everyone there were innocent kids. Most of the people they torture in prisons are there for reasons to deserve it as its very much a thing still thankfully a large part of the people who get that treatment are convicted pedophiles for example.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

i thonk she'd just be "harder daddy"

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Jacob: Commander, you seeing this shit? Shepard: Yes, I see your reflection in the mirror, Jacob.

[@TheJake0fTrades]

I'm actually writing a story for a class, and I'm quoting Zaeed's line in this scene. :)

[@firestorm165]

How'd the story turn out?

[@imotekh6110]

@@firestorm165 I suppose we'll never know

[@Linkforlife199]

Kasumi: "Torture. These are some sick freaks."

[@yjk92]

I'm sure the developers weren't allowed to show an actual torture so they replaced it with beating, which makes the scene odd because almost every squad member of Shepard have killed people for pettier reasons.

[@Da1337Man]

Killed people, sure. No question about that. But this is just pointless savagery. Worse than pointless, because like Zaeed said, it turns the torturer into a mindless animal.

[@Beowulf_DW]

Really gives you insight into the character's moral compass's. Miranda supports it when it has a purpose. Grunt just believes in giving everyone a chance to fight. Garrus and Legion are only concerned with the information gained. Zaeed is the best, of course. He's the only one who acknowledges that torture can affect the torturer, and even implies that he tortured someone and regretted it afterwards.

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

"If i were not bound to my oath to you shepard, these guards would already be dead." "No Samara you can go right ahead my dear."

[@bigj1905]

“Commander, you seeing this shit?” Wow, thanks the valuable insight Jacob. I would’ve never noticed that until you commented on it in the most generic way possible.

[@GTAVictor9128]

Ah, classic Jacob.

[@bruhgod123]

idk but that is my fav statement

[@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117]

Spoke like the usual token black dude in media

[@MandosDestiny]

HK-47- Envious Statement: This meatbag is having a most enjoyable experience.

[@erbgorre]

samara is such a boss "just so we are clear, anything and anyone around me exists simply because i allow them to. and i could always change my mind -.-"

[@SPARTAN-KD21]

Harbinger's response: "If I must beat his ass Shepard I will!"

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

prisoner=players wallets interrogator=EA

[@SODEMO2007]

"No one deserves that" "Thats Joseph Fritzl" "Oh.... carry on then"

[@SinerAthin]

Funny how most of them perceive it as an intorrogation, when, it is in fact just a punishment :P I believe prisoners stowed away in Purgatory are past the interrogation stage. ^^

[@CaelSkielsthear]

Every crewmate: Oh my god, horrible. Shepard: "HAI GAIZ, LOGAN PAUL HERE WITH A NEW REACTION VIDEO..."

[@dCa991]

Imagine how that guard felt hearing Samara say the only reason you’re not dead is the guy your boss is about to betray.

[@GoblehTheCat]

Jacob's opinion is the most deep, truthful, and insightful.

[@Spartanjames170]

Legion summed it up the best. Subject will invent fictional data that it believe the torturer wants to hear to stop the torture.

[@artur6912]

Garus said the exact same thing, just less robotically.

[@foreverjune8]

My renegade Femshep's opinion: "He probably deserved worse."

[@frankwest5388]

I like how they all dislike the torture for different reasons. Some for practical reasons, other for dignity, Zaeed mentions the mental health of every participant, Thane just thinks it’s unprofessional and Samara sees it as a violation of her code of honor, ignoring her personal opinion.

[@stalinbeballin9711]

I love how the guard looks Shepherd's way when Samara says her shit like "wait wut?"

[@MrSuper12321]

It has been proven that interrogating a prisoner in a way that he feels confortable and understood will make him willing to give the information to the interrogator. If that fails there are several ways of psicological manipulation that can be used in such a case, which people could also sorta argue as inmoral, but if you ask me its much better than completely ruining someone over a little piece of information that may or may not be useful.

[@timothypeterson4781]

Tell that to the people such information saves.

[@ElodieHiras]

@@timothypeterson4781 Considering you can get a complete rando to admit he's secretly the Pope incognito in some satellite Soviet State for some reason with just a little torture, I have my serious doubt anyone can be saved with that some method that reliably output that level of unreliable information. On the other hand, small doses of tetrahydrocannabinol is proven to make people more upbeat and more chatty. Giving smokers a THC-laced cig and letting them believe it's only a normal, untampered with cig, and then acting friendly to them and letting them chatter away happily and nodding and giving a few approving comments has proven to be much more effective at actually getting useful information, out of people than torture. You could argue it's immoral to drug people against their will and/or without their knowledge, and I would agree with that, but when it does less damage than straight up torture while *ALSO* being more reliable at getting actual information, yeah, weed >> torture. As the saying goes, "everyone has the right to remain silent. Few people have ever demonstrated the ability.". Get people comfy, get people talking, and you'll be surprised what they'll tell you.

[@fuzzyapplepie6940]

Guard: Why the fuck does this guy keep bringing his friends just to take the piss out of our tactics!?

[@Winner8501]

Actually, pretty much everybody on that ship (guards and staff included) deserves that :-D

[@Komnenos1234]

Really, no one thinks the sadistic murderer deserves a simple beating.

[@MsCameoLover]

Haha, Samara would have killed em all x'D

[@BrawlSnorlax]

I I could I would give her the okay.

[@kfizzledizzle8467]

Confetti Sprinkles I would have given her the OK if it was possible. it should have been. instead the only way to get them to stop is to use paragon/renegade dialogue options to stop them.

[@kuramakyuubi8483]

+Confetti Sprinkles lol you dooo 5 min later when hell breaks loose

[@MEUAR]

Ah well, she just had to wait 5 minutes :3

[@Kraken160th]

If you stop the beating you get in email from the guy. Turns out he was a serial killer and is going to carve shephard's name into his next victim as "thanks"

[@Xiaojiantou]

Lol Samara the best.

[@yoji0]

Yeah, not sure how comfortable I'd be letting a furious space paladin onto my sketchy prison ship.

[@FlorianD30]

Samara, "That is atrocious.Were I not bound by my oath to you Shepard, these guards would already be dead...and the prisoner too of course, because justice."

[@SuaveRenegade]

Damn Zaeed sounded so deep there for a sec.

[@nmn5550]

Even the machine is moved by this. Dang.

[@rebel1717]

“No one deserves to have THAT done to them.” Clearly this is before they realized the Collectors were indoctrinated Protheans. THAT’s cruel.

[@antonhallergren588]

Well pedophiles deserve that. No worse. The punishment should be death from radiation poisoning for example. Its a horrible way to die.

[@thenablade858]

@@antonhallergren588 Zaeed is right though, in the sense that torturing someone has a negative effect on both the victim and the torturer. I get that some people deserve punishment, but inflicting brutal punishment changes you for the worse usually.

[@Bloblom]

@@antonhallergren588 No crime can ever excuse the use of torture, that's the point of having principles and morals : following them no matter the situation, if you're willing to break them, you just broke them forever. Also punitive justice has never worked, former societies had much more horrible punishments to dissuade criminals, but it never worked, you'd have to get rid of the underlying causes of crimes for that (example with pedophiles - most if not all were also victims of child abuse, which is a well known cause of criminality). Either you can rehabilitate someone or you isolate them from society, punishments and torture don't magically turn people into kind and friendly individuals, in fact it generally makes them worse, and it doesn't help society either, by that logic, it's pointless and counterproductive.

[@thegeth4293]

zaeed sounds like hes speaking from experience on both sides

[@artur6912]

Hardly surprising. He does look like he was at both ends of the situation at one time or another

[@JeedyJay]

When I went through, Garrus defended the guards' actions. I wasn't using an ME1 import, so I imagine his reaction varies depending on how you "mentor" him in the first game.

[@sev1120]

The fact it's a Turian beating a human while he's down is actually a very good lore tidbit, because most Turians don't like humans because they didn't roll over when the Hierarchy came in and demanded they submit.

[@nate022]

Morinth does have unique dialogue in some areas. It doesn't occur until after she switches to her own attire in Samara's quarters. For instance, (in her own voice) she says something along the lines of "How wonderfully brutal the Krogan race is" on Tuchanka.

[@jkm7983]

"no one deserves that" "This is Gabi braun" "Use your legs. Kicks are stronger than punches"

[@RobertsonIsland]

Zaeed’s line is by far the best, shows his depth as a character

[@PhillyPugilist]

Garrus know he lying lol. He was “interrogating” people all the time in C-Sec. he didn’t like “red tape” getting in his way of getting the job done which is why he left in the first place. He talks about this on ME1

[@godknightomega]

Tali: "It doesn't matter what he did. Nobody deserves to have that done to then." Tali I like you but if that were someone working with the Geth and they got some of your people hurt or killed you wouldn't be say that...

[@thesixthkid7689]

Shepard is the only thing standing between Tali and Legion and seeing which one is the torturerer and the tortured. After all the first thing she did after seeing him was shoot him. If he wasn't a Geth he probably would've shot back.

[@thesixthkid7689]

@Gi Gi I'm saying that's first impressions. Recall how those other Quarians wanted to "study" Legion? If it wasn't for Shepard Tali would be on board with doing so.

[@thesixthkid7689]

@Gi Gi torture isn't necessarily needlessly causing pain, unless the intent is punishment. In the video they said that the tortured would give up false information but I say that's only if they're innocent, if they got the right guy then they will give up the right information in hopes of being let go. If the scientists had their way they would torture all Geth for what they did to them and like I said, if it wasn't for Shepard being the water to cool the fire then it probably would come to pass and Tali would join them for failing to join Shepards team and actually getting to know Legion.

[@thesixthkid7689]

@Gi Gi actually the guilty break and give up the truth, the innocent however yeah, that's true. They'll say whatever the torturerer wants to hear for the pain to stop. Main reason why people were burned at the stake in real life for being "witches" or possessed by demons when in reality they either had seizures or were in pain by diseases so they made medicine. Often times however they relied on confessions so they were tortured and NOW it's pretty fucking obvious they were innocent so they cracked and said yeah they were witches and demons. No one stood up for them either because both the accused and the person who stood for them would die. Back then because everything was so unreliable it's difficult to find someone who was actually guilty but if you did they would definitely give up the truth, and wish you would die in the most slowest and gruesome death in possible existence but the truth all the same for the pain to stop.

[@thesixthkid7689]

@Gi Gi that's one variable that goes with even normal interrogation, deals or simple transactions, you may be doing the wrong person and wasting your time. Much like an innocent being interrogated and coerced to confess, not tortured, just interrogated. Obviously they were wronged and the real criminal got away. The actual criminal will know the real facts, keep their guard up so they ain't falling for coercion as easily. How you know what they say is real is what you know as hidden facts that no one else should know unless they're guilty.

[@davidyaconis7002]

Ah. Pre-Kasumi upload. Trailblazing at the time of publication. I really enjoy these videos, even seven years after my first playthrough.

[@13Psycho13]

Wrex: "You call that torture!"

[@ConstantChanger1000]

I can't help but love Thane's words here the best, Garrus, Zaeed, and Legion give the most direct and true answers about the ineffectiveness of torture. Grunt, Samara, Tali, Jacob, Miranda, and Mordin all sound angry, disgusted by the scene in front of them. But Thane sounds, almost offended, he knows what he is, and he's killed plenty of people himself, but the scene in front of him is the antithesis of how he sees himself as an assassin.

[@xedrickOG]

You forgot kasumi's line

[@yoji0]

xaneks578: Yeah, but we're not missing much. Just something along the lines of "Torture... these are some sick freaks."

[@killer13324]

and morinth?

[@xedrickOG]

Jormungand13324 Never brought morinth there sadly

[@killer13324]

ah well

[@Her_Imperious_Condescension]

@@killer13324 Morinth would _probably_ have the same line as Samara, given that she's trying to act like her.

[@Volound]

i wonder what jack would have said..... probably would have spazzed out and made everyones head explode.

[@JulesRoyal]

Shouldn't have dropped the soap....

[@ncrvako]

JulesRoyal shut the fuck up ciri.

[@timothypeterson4781]

Everyone disapproves but then Zaed, the hardened mercenary comes in and is just like "time for me to be deeply philosophical."

[@jj0ck33]

@JestersAnxiety Actually, every time I did a video like this I always checked if Morinth would have anything different to say. Apart from the subtitle saying Morinth instead of Samara the dialogue is always identical

[@ryederforbs9072]

Tali: It doesn't matter what he did, no one deserves to have that done to them. Me: I respectfully but strongly disagree.

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

0:39 Mordin says "Inhumane" which is funny because they're Turian who don't know how to be "Humane" *Ba dum tss*

[@AlleyCatNinja]

Yeah except that everyone wears automatic translators and if the word "humane" came out in the turian language no one would know what wtf he was talking about not to mention the fact that Mordin is a SALARIAN not a Turian... fuckin' casual.

[@vuk5576]

@@AlleyCatNinja he was refering to the guard as turian, read it again

[@AlleyCatNinja]

@@vuk5576 You right.

[@Veridiano02]

Whoever write this joke were fools, you should eat them.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

I'm surprised Zaeed of all people would find torture objectionable.

[@Blarghurface]

Somehow, just realized Zaeed has the same voice of the Seneshal from Dragon Age Origins: Awakening. Oo Awesome

[@VeeTOHFan]

Tali: Nobody deserves that! Thane:

[@archmagosdeciuskronen1501]

This is why I love Mass Effect's characters: some hate torture, some find it useful, others don't hate it but find it inefficient or ineffective. They don't make every character outright hate it passionately like they're trying to get a humanitarian award

[@Edralis]

thanks for these videos, they are very much appreciated!

[@1337Tazer]

Haha I loved Legion's dialog, something about it is just hilarious Also I find it weird how they all are against torture, even Zaaed and Grunt, you'd think those two wouldnt give much of a shit

[@antonhallergren588]

Zaeed talked about torture beeing good to scare krogans. He Said you could pull the headplate off to make them beg for their lives.

[@HouseOfAlastrian]

Zaeed definitely had the most insightful thing to say about that.

[@jj0ck33]

@TheSmellyBumTom Me and I guess most other have an "issue" with Jacob not because of his skin color. He is a plain boring character with no real qualities. Most, if not all his dialogue you don't influence is straight Paragon down the line. I have the same rough opinion about Kaidan. His backstory is more interesting though.

[@stuarthall9854]

Torturer: Vibin’ Dude getting tortured: Vibin’

[@TheGeminiThunder]

Wait two people are missing, where is Kasumi and Morinth if thats even possible

[@ThePedrao360]

If im not mistaken, you can only get morinth after Samara's mission, and that's only made available after you get Jack. I don't know about Kasumi.

[@ZachValkyrie]

And Jack! I wanna hear what she... wait... nevermind.

[@bambi3845]

ThePedrao360 Yes, but the companions can be added in earlier using a save editor.

[@ThePedrao360]

Holy Rhino Then I don't know. But wouldn't it crash the game to have Morinth and Samara recruited at the same time?

[@bambi3845]

ThePedrao360 You wouldn't need to have them at the same time. Just mark Samara as recruited and dead and Morinth as recruited.

[@CSLucasEpic]

Zaeed's insight is quite profound, considering how he usually is.

[@Archangel251]

This is what happens if you commit crimes.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

#ThePunishmentIsJust.

[@CrowderHatingConservative]

Cullen Dittmar Exactly.

[@Cash_Money42069]

Thane's comment: You're doing it wrong.

[@opusepynomus9995]

Anything samara says....sends chills downy spine

[@azzythechristianfurry]

It’s revealed that he is a murderer later in game. So he kind of deserved it.

[@fleasbelovedpie]

that jacob is really deep

[@MihaiViteazul100]

Then you just tell him "If you're lying, then we'll come back and it'll be worse.", but in a much more intimidating manner.

[@thenablade858]

That is the point though. Somebody who is suspected of a crime they didn’t actually commit couldn’t possibly know the truth. This is what happened with so-called witches, they confessed to crimes that were impossible to verify simply to avoid the pain of torture.

[@RmanDC]

JJOCK33 you are doing such a great work!

[@jebbthefool]

Jacob: "Commander You seeing this shit?" Shepard: "Yeah." Jacob: "Oh thank god. You see Leprechaun too? I thought Miranda sold me some bad weed." Shepard: ಠ_ಠ "and your not sharing why?"

[@stevenstice6683]

Could be a crackhead who got ahold of the wrong stuff

[@EthanDarke]

Then in dialogue option, shepherd can straight up just say the guy deserves it XD

[@FreeThePorgs]

Sometimes you have to do unpleasant things to the individual in the name of the "big" picture...if a terrorist has time/date/location/method of an attack, and will not tell when you say please, well...the ends justify the means....if you can stop a suicide bomber, and save 400 life's, sometimes water boarding or other methods are nessary...remember they are NOT POW's, and not under the Geneva conventions....while yes, you made the terrorist to start off with by invading there country, and using gunboat diplomacy, and parking a aircraft carrier carrier off there coast, and then blowing the crap out of people with f-18's, you started the cycle, and and it is like a hammer on its wheel...around it goes...

[@MrClickity]

"[torture] is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the interrogator wants to hear." - from the U.S. Army field manual on intelligence interrogation. All moral arguments aside, torture is not an effective way to obtain reliable information. Also, the right to not be tortured is considered a basic human right for everyone (regardless of combatant status) according to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the US signed.

[@CorporalHicks8]

But what they said was true. They'll tell you what they think you want to make it stop. That's why police interrogators get so many false confessions because they terrify and stress the suspect into confessing to thing they sometimes didn't do.

[@yoji0]

On top of that, interrogating with dignity and restraint can get you surprisingly far. If you greet a radical with martyr fantasies and delusions of badassery with empathy and a Coke, it can be really disarming.

[@FreeThePorgs]

All true...if a man is being Tortured, he will admit that he is a fairy Princess with magic pixie dust.....just to have it stop, but in "my" personal opinion, after you say please, and it is still a no answer, sometimes you have to step it up.....if 1 terrorist has to be water boarded for 3 hours, and that saves a 767 plane being hijacked and all 700 passengers, and it also stops the plane from flying into a us sky scraper, like on 9/11, lets say that that building has 7,000 INNOCENT men women and children, well you hurt 1 person, but saved 7,700+ lives.... "The big picture..."

[@FreeThePorgs]

All valid points...that is why "enchanted interrogation" is controversial....

[@thewierdoneout]

Everyone was behind Shepard. The Turian was just some dude watching.

[@LilTRoberts1000]

whats jacks opinion

[@OrionoftheStar]

+LilTRoberts1000 "Murder everyone."

[@Destroyer120296]

+LilTRoberts1000 She has none. This is the mission where you recruit her.

[@danielpettersson4068]

+LilTRoberts1000 Where is Kasumi???