Mass Effect 3 - Control Ending - Paragon VS Renegade monologue

[@sora_keychain5510]

I never realized that there were a difference between the two, but to be fair, I never got to play the extended stuff before Legendary Edition so I have more play throughs ahead of me

[@APOLLOPATRIOT]

Pretty sad just like the Halo Reach ending

[@austinbutcher8106]

Tht paragon ending is pretty fkn cool

[@gerald1495]

Feels very mystical. Literal space Jesus

[@axelnilsson5124]

The renegade ending seems more fitting for femshep when you realize that she’s voiced by the same person who voiced Avatar Kyoshi

[@SHOW01000]

The star child tells you to grab a hold of some power lines so you can enslave it, or to jump into a giant laser to turn everyone half-robot. Ever consider it's just trying a last ditch effort to have shepard off themself?

[@roadrider720]

Thinking about it like that, thats fuckin hilarious.

[@iamblight707]

Not really. It had control of the station because it was the station. If it wanted it could just leave you there and let you die, or vented you out an airlock.

[@johnP0908]

@@iamblight707 doubt it. the Crucible was another variable that was added to the Catalyst. it's a variable that the Starchild has no control of. the Crucible was basically the override code. but not enough to disable the Starchild.

[@iamblight707]

@@johnP0908 The crucible was a massive power generator. The AI on board, the star child didn't have enough computing power to reach a conclusion aside from the cycle of harvesting and archiving organic life. Nor did it have enough power to send out the pulse it needed to accomplish destroy/synthesis (what it wanted)/or control across the galaxy. That was why the star child said it reached the new possibilities. It wanted the Shepard to choose which because it couldn't reach a consensus on it's own, like how the Geth wanted you to choose whether to destroy or preserve the heretics because it couldn't reach it's own consensus, trapping it in a paradox that kept it from acting.

[@elion4245]

@@iamblight707 still, i personally, can't get over how dumb this kind of "interface" is. If those options of different "energy charges" (?) were predefined at the start of citadel creation, why to activate them, you either need to grab some energy cables, blow up some thing or straight up throw yourself into a tube/beam. That's a weird kind of interaction. It's that way for "dramatic" effect (it wasn't), but it's still doesn't make any kind of sense. Straight up a console with three buttons would be more logical and the option to jump into a beam later, if necessary. Even just a voice prompt to catalyst AI could do it

[@reavercity568]

Watching your videos sent me back into the IT rabbit hole. Love the series, Love the characters, Love the Setting. hopefully we get something impressive with the new mass effect.

[@HanithSVK]

I don't know why, but somehow i doubt it. Remember what happened to Andromeda? I hope that next Mass Effect will be good, don't get me wrong, but i am more than certain that there will be many who will dislike it just on principle.

[@demogorghon]

Wait... You are telling me there are TWO VERSIONS of that ending?! I always seen it as a clear renegade one.

[@JabamiLain]

Yep ! And even those two scenarios have variarions in their respective monologues, depending on major choices you performed.

[@demogorghon]

@@JabamiLain I really like this ending. Renegade Shepard would totally choose to be a protective lovecraftian horror. :)

[@JabamiLain]

@@demogorghon I was Renegon, getting the "Renegade Control" in which the majority is alive and well, except for the Krogans being under the Rachni's thumb after and the Ardat-yakshi being extinct. This ending is the only option for my Sherpard. I did stuff... Stuff that can only have meaning or be fixed if I don't destroy the Reapers. My plan in integrating Javik's shard in the infrastructure must be successful, havd them destroy each other from the inside after they fix everything. I must take this gamble ! Progress, evolution... I fought too hard to just let go of those goals ! I made others (the Krogans especially) reliant of that vision ! I may not be insane enough to try Synthesis. But I won't just give up Control of my plans like this ! I will die only after leaving my final wild card !

[@demogorghon]

@@JabamiLain ok. I have questions: 1. Krogans under Rachni? How? 2. Integrating Javik shard... did I miss something? That game keeps surprising me :D

[@JabamiLain]

@@demogorghon I tested my three endings, the image with the Krogan skeletons only appears in the Destroy. In "Control" however, in which the Relays are rebuilt, while images of Tuchanka destroyed and the Rachni still appear, there are no skeletons, only a depressed Krogan. In "Synthesis", an image of their future as a healed species shows up after an image of a ruined Tuchanka in the present; If you become close enough to Javik, he's gonna show you a shard containing the memories and the preserved emotions of his ancestors before the war. You can encourage him to either see it or not. If you do, at the final battle on Earth, he's gonna give you the shard, saying that with his people's legacy preserved in there, he plans to take his owm life after the war. One warning about the Krogans though. There are certain scenarios in the saga that can only become available if a specific stream of events is followed and a certain level of Renegade/Paragon/Both. I'm not sure if the Krogans extinction is one of such scenarios. But given I think the Relays determining if the skeletons image appears or not, I think that means the rest of the galaxy supports them in their darkest hour. And I don't know about you, but I think they would be more willing to help a race that helps in the fight. In my case, I had Wrex and Eve inspire the Krogans to fight. Granted, that sabotaging the Genophage had me lose Wrex, Eve and their clan. But I still had support from the other Krogan clans, Grunt and Maelon was still alive. I think that's the stream that has the galaxy be receptive towards helping the Krogans in their time of need.

[@garroshhellscream594]

The renegade one is the very definition of having a god of war protecting your territory, from outsiders, and from within.

[@gzapray7203]

Now I definitely want an animation series based on Kyoshi novels.

[@prodtetch]

Even Paragon Shep's voice and background music are downright sinister and threatening. The flanging effect in her voice, similar to a Reaper, and the uneasy brass tones give off the suggestion that the galaxy is a worse place under Shepard's rule.

[@MeidoInHebun]

Nope

[@gzapray7203]

Because you're used to those drones = danger.

[@erichunsaker4969]

This is why I don't choose Control no matter if I'm Paragon or Renegade. Paragon: Noble intentions but absolute power corrupts absolutely, so those noble intentions to be a guardian may get corrupted over time. Renegade: Bruh, Shepard lays the cards on the table that they'll straight up destroy anyone who even threatens the peace. No need to wait for Shepard Catalyst to get corrupted, they will already become some petty dictator with the power to back it up. This is why I do Destroy or Synthesis. Though I usually do Destroy on personal preference to ensure the Reapers don't become a threat again later down the road.

[@generalolicon1788]

which also leads to the new mass effect game

[@JabamiLain]

I was Renegon, getting the "Renegade Control" in which the majority is alive and well, except for the Krogans being under the Rachni's thumb after and the Ardat-yakshi being extinct. This ending is the only option for my Sherpard. I did stuff... Stuff that can only have meaning or be fixed if I don't destroy the Reapers. My plan in integrating Javik's shard in the infrastructure must be successful, havd them destroy each other from the inside after they fix everything. I must take this gamble ! Progress, evolution... I fought too hard to just let go of those goals ! I made others (the Krogans especially) reliant of that vision ! I may not be insane enough to try Synthesis. But I won't just give up Control of my plans like this ! I will die only after leaving my final wild card !

[@pl0xie494]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely only applies to a human mind. It's the selfishness and other flaws of the human mind that can't handle all that power, but in the control ending you become some kind of super ai thats clearly ascended past their former human state. I don't see how paragon shep could've been corrupted, maybe it's more like how morality changes overtime that eventually shep will be seen as "evil". Shep may not change, but people most definitely will.

[@gavinnelson3402]

​@@pl0xie494My thoughts exactly. I believe the cycle goes beyond simply destroying the reapers, it extends to advanced civilizations creating synthetics that evolve and turn on them, resulting in war. I didn't much like the geth, but the reality is that for peace to exist between creator and created an olive branch has to be extended. I love control because it amends the centuries old conflict of leviathan vs reaper, which is mirrored in quarian vs geth. Destroying all synthetic life is just waiting for the same story to play out in the far distant future. IMO

[@MylesKillis]

@@pl0xie494yeah what people miss about control is that it’s the solution the catalyst was failing to achieve on its own. The evolution that would lead to peace is a human mind WHO VALUES DIVERSITY AND WAS ABLE TO UNITE THE GALAXY controlling the reapers. Destroy is literally just starting the cycle again and ignoring the lessons off the past. Synthesis is literally just making everyone synthetic.

[@carolinemarten7678]

I love this game. Played it when first came out . This additions great. Played it atleast 20 times . I romance kaidan always never anyone else 🎉

[@sora_keychain5510]

Kaiden is cool, I can't deny how much I like my first romance, but the others have so much to offer. I'd say, give them a try and see how they make you feel. You won't regret some of them EXCEPT JACOB!! STAY AWAY FROM JACOB WE HATE HIM ‼️

[@tomasadams-1495]

the lamest charecter

[@sora_keychain5510]

@@tomasadams-1495 you mean Jacob, right??

[@Ledecral]

I respect that, always liked him better than most myself

[@whatareyoulookingat908]

I always killed that freak off. I saved Ash and romanced her for my paragon.... but romanced Miranda for renegade.

[@SeverusHunt]

You may already know, but with a low Galaxy Combat Readiness, Shepard's monologue is different from a high Galaxy Combat Readiness

[@oldmangamer01]

Yeah, in my many playthroughs, I only chose Control once. Not my favored ending choice. "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Actor

[@JabamiLain]

I was Renegon, getting the "Renegade Control" in which the majority is alive and well, except for the Krogans being under the Rachni's thumb after and the Ardat-yakshi being extinct. This ending is the only option for my Sherpard. I did stuff... Stuff that can only have meaning or be fixed if I don't destroy the Reapers. My plan in integrating Javik's shard in the infrastructure must be successful, havd them destroy each other from the inside after they fix everything. I must take this gamble ! Progress, evolution... I fought too hard to just let go of those goals ! I made others (the Krogans especially) reliant of that vision ! I may not be insane enough to try Synthesis. But I won't just give up Control of my plans like this ! I will die only after leaving my final wild card !

[@MylesKillis]

Define corruption

[@wolfehologram3539]

No. Power doesn't corrupt. That's just something powerful people say to absolve themselves of what remains of their consciences. Power reveals; if no one can stop you from achieving the things you want, the rest of the world will quickly find out exactly what that is.

[@eon1014]

To be fair, our ”predecessor" was literally trying to wipe out all life in the galaxy, so I don’t think Control!Shepherd can top that level of evilness.

[@Broken_Savior]

For some reason, I've always felt obligated to go through with the Destroy Ending. We made a commitment, a long time ago, toward breaking this cycle, and reducing the Reapers to little more than a bad memory. Too many had died along the way. Whatever collateral damage caused by the Destroy Ending can be easily and swiftly mended by those who survive it (I believe this is made explicitly clear by the starchild), so that is no concern. What mattered to me is that nobody, ever, would have to worry about these Reapers ever again. I don't want to control them and risk leaving their will in the hands of a fuckin' AI, nor do I want to turn the Galaxy into a collectivist Ayn Rand novel setting. Burn the Reapers. And our job will be over.

[@t.b.5115]

Never understood the popularity of Ayn Rand.

[@acefreak95]

The species shall rebuild control feels wrong its like a future evil god in the making regardless of reputation in the end tim won

[@Jesus_Offical]

Wait but Ayn rand was the opposite of a collectivist. She was like the arch individualist

[@DragOn-qb3fy]

I played 90% Renegade from ME 1-3 but I got the Paragon Speech from the control ending. Maybe because 1. I couldn't shoot Mordin. Genophage gets cured but no Eve. 2. Managed to barter peace between the geth and quarians. My Shepard doesn't give af about anyone but the crew. So it's kinda weird hearing her say that she'll be a guardian of many when she killed the council and just shot everyone besides the crew.

[@emylikula9159]

You don't need to kill Mordin, just Wrex in ME1 destroy Maelon data in ME2 then in ME3 you can make the renegade speach and mordin will live without cure the ganophage.

[@cheese2848]

Sad thing is, your most likely going to turn into what the starchild did, start a exiction of life, as living long enough you will see the people you knew change or wither and seeing that over and over, or the peace will fall apart its nature for organics to fight, and if Shepard starts to attack the people causing major issues it would put fear into everybody else, idk what im going to choose prob living destroy ending cause no child gonna take me out after wipeing out thousands of troops just to die.

[@bryantali358]

I personally prefer synthesis. “Destroy” does not break the cycle, it only delays it until another species creates a reaper-equivalent. And in control, absolute power corrupts absolutely…

[@bryantali358]

@RobertEdwinHouse9actually, there are several! 😊

[@MylesKillis]

Define corrupt

[@bonehed1]

synthesis stops the reapers, until they reach the conclusion that the synthesized races are not good enough. destroy annihilates the reapers entirely. at the very least, I would expect more time between the destruction of the reapers and the creation of new ones, than I would between the galactic races being altered in indescribable ways and the reapers deciding once again that life must die

[@ReasonablySizedChungus]

​@@bonehed1 The Reapers exist to prevent organic life from being wiped out by its synthetic creations. Synthesis prevents this, therefor the Reapers disappear. They wouldn't just choose to start killing again for no reason. Destroy is peace but only for the short term. Both endings have their pros and cons.

[@FrankyTorres-h7t]

This is the best ending

[@storminmay]

I can’t with Control. Anything the Illusive Man thought was a good idea…no. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should.

[@zerothefaceless4888]

Fun fact, the Ilusive Man thought breathing is a good idea and that it keeps you alive and healthy.

[@heroic9631]

Human Dominance is required within the Galaxy 🫡

[@ahmedalghazaly8094]

5:25 For who is this grave that jack stands in front of

[@namerucherry]

Her students from Grissom Academy. They can die if you don’t pick them as support.

[@JabamiLain]

I was Renegon, getting the "Renegade Control" in which the majority is alive and well, except for the Krogans being under the Rachni's thumb after and the Ardat-yakshi being extinct. This ending is the only option for my Sherpard. I did stuff... Stuff that can only have meaning or be fixed if I don't destroy the Reapers. My plan in integrating Javik's shard in the infrastructure must be successful, havd them destroy each other from the inside after they fix everything. I must take this gamble ! Progress, evolution... I fought too hard to just let go of those goals ! I made others (the Krogans especially) reliant of that vision ! I may not be insane enough to try Synthesis. But I won't just give up Control of my plans like this ! I will die only after leaving my final wild card !

[@KritoSkywaker]

I have a Renegon FemShep in my current playthrough. And I belive I need to see where my actions will take when I begin her Mass Effect 3 journey.

[@JabamiLain]

@@KritoSkywaker been thinking. Maybe I'm more of a Paragade. I did act mostly as everyone's Paragon, I just had some Renegade tactics here and there, especifically when their impact was BIG !

[@KritoSkywaker]

@@JabamiLain It's completely fine to play as mixed allignment, as long as you know what to do.

[@JabamiLain]

@@KritoSkywaker I am aware. It's just...Renegon sounds more like a Renegade who tried to be human once in a while, when that's the opposite of what I did.

[@KritoSkywaker]

@@JabamiLain I have a good progress so far. Saved the Council, saved the Rachni Queen and kept Maelon's Data.

[@homicidalgeorge]

control is my favorite. hell yeah i want to be the supreme ruler of the universe. who doesn’t?

[@dytiscusmarginalis8443]

yeah, but you would cease to exist, it would be an AI with your memories ruling the universe. You would not experience any of it :(

[@ohhhhbhh]

I LITERALLY HAVE NO CLUE IF DESTROY OR CONTROL IS CANON💀OPINIONS IMMEDIATELY! I THINK DESTROY IS CANON WAR ASSETS OR NOT😭😭

[@joshuagross3151]

I think you're right, but I think it's going to be the worst version of Destroy. Why? Because that version comes with the most casualties and loss. 1 and 2 both have default endings and both endings have the worst destructive paths taken.

[@ohhhhbhh]

@@joshuagross3151 I AGREE

[@sora_keychain5510]

Actually, it's been confirmed that the third option, synthesis is the canon ending

[@ohhhhbhh]

@@sora_keychain5510 WHAT

[@joshuagross3151]

@@sora_keychain5510 Ew.

[@carolinemarten7678]

May I say why GARRAS? I dont see why. It's always kaidan with me . ❤

[@sora_keychain5510]

Garrus is best bro all the way and even best romance in my opinion. You can't deny how much he's there for Shepard thru it all tho

[@geoffreyweston9835]

@@sora_keychain5510Same, but for me it’s Tali

[@sora_keychain5510]

@@geoffreyweston9835 Dextros for the win!

[@dasdas7752]

Because Garrus is always with you in every single game, is funny, already a popular squadmate, etc. I never have romanced him but it is easy to see why others would.

[@ProperBadger]

‘GARRAS’ 😂😂😂 I’m dead