Mass Effect 3 - How to Save Mordin (SECRET ENDING Priority Tuchunka Includes Unique Dialogue + Msgs)

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

"First: Udnot Wrex must've died during the Virmire mission on ME1" aaaand that's where you lost me. Wrex always survives, no matter what >O

[@kill0cam0teabagger]

I accidentally let him die on my first time through me1 last week. It was very sad

[@danteblack1141]

yup, only chars i ever lose are kaiden and mordin (i prefer ash over kaiden, since i usually play as vanguard, so i can have 2 snipers in me3, ash and garrus), only time kaidens still alive is when im romancing him with a fem shep for that story change, tho talis my go to girl for male shep and garrus is my go to guy for fem shep (anyone who hates garrus is an idiot, he was kinda lame in 1 but was badass in 2 and 3), and who can let wrex die? when he jumps out of the window in the citadel dlc with your clone it is friggin badass, and when the mercs start screaming "HES GOT A KROGAN!" never ceases to make me smile, lol

[@luckyg4mer3]

Well that’s just great, either Wrex dies in ME1 or Mordin dies in ME3. Either, someonw has to die

[@danteblack1141]

@@ScaroBloodblade i think it may be possible to save mordin if you dont try to tell eve and wrex about the dalatrass's deal, cant remember, but that is one of the prerequisites for sabotaging the cure, otherwise if you try and tell them it hard locks it to the cure ending for the mission (atleast on 360 from the several playthroughs ive done, cant rememebr pc as i havent played thru the game in pc in a few years)

[@luckyg4mer3]

@@ScaroBloodblade is this only in the legendary edition, cause i tried many ways for this to happen in the original. If u let Wrex live, he’ll find out about the deal and pull out the krogan support. Let Mordin sacrifice and u get full krogan and “kind of” salarian support? But again, if u want Mordin to live... Wrex must die. Why can’t they both live?

[@MeTtOoW]

Mordin is definitely one of the best written characters in ME. His voice actor did him justice. Just perfect.

[@Chewin90]

Interesting fact, that the VA was different in ME3 actually. The ME2 voice actor for Mordin apparently had some contract differences, so BW hired a new guy for the sequel who did a pretty accurate job.

[@MilanTehVillain]

ME2 Mordin; Michael Beattie. ME3 Mordin; William Salyers.

[@cassiespencer6134]

He's always been my favorite. A little odd and quirky, as well as a lovable genius.

[@lebogangmashiane6692]

I loved his singing 😂

[@mikewillis9537]

Both voice actors

[@resoody2]

“I made a mistake!” Man, that always gets me.

[@BigDanGaming]

Same here

[@byu768]

You know he's serious when he uses a pronoun in his sentence.

[@MilanTehVillain]

“I made him a steak!”

[@resoody2]

@@MilanTehVillain I’m dying 😵🤣

[@alekane47]

Not only did he take ownership but arguably one of the most intelligent races and possibly one of the most brilliant salarians (forgive me if I misspelled them) owned up to a mistake....that being said I couldn't let him do it

[@skyhawkslcb18]

How to save Mordin: Kill Wrex Me: ight imma head out

[@bestboi2945]

I know like would you rather kill a guy to save another or let a guy live but the other will die a hero

[@wa2368]

@@bestboi2945 Fk no...I'm killing Wrex (that overgrown lizard) asap if i can keep the sexy salarian alive.

[@hideo1102]

@@wa2368 uncool

[@Baraxes]

@@wa2368 overgrown lizard 😂😂😂😂

[@skyhawkslcb18]

@@bloodyninen7 sure, but those deaths should not and will not include Wrex. Ever.

[@orioles2423]

"Had to be me, someone else might have gotten it wrong." - The Salarian Scientist

[@BigDanGaming]

One of my favorite lines from The Trilogy

[@calveryscave]

*the scientist salarian*

[@chucklytell]

@@calveryscave the very model of one

[@themeanestkitten]

That was one of the only times this game made me cry😢

[@cassiespencer6134]

@@themeanestkitten You weren't alone. :| We did the right thing and Mordin clearly understood that, although it didn't make it any easier.

[@luizalves8071]

That's why mass effect is so damn good. The fate of a character doesn't depend on ONE choice you did at the last minute, it depends on choices you made even before that character existed in the games. The consequences of your choices have consequences. It's amazing

[@jomnix]

But the fate of the entire galaxy do rest on a single choice...

[@Art-vod]

@@jomnix and saving the rachni queen do not really matter.

[@andrewhelms6249]

@@Art-vod That pissed me of so much.... choosing to exterminate the Rachni or saving them in ME1 made NO difference, that should've been one of the biggest choices in the entire series....

[@Art-vod]

@@andrewhelms6249 Ikr, when I found out what was the consequnces of saving the rachni I was damn disapointed. Like wth... I want to see a cutscene showing a rachni horde destroying a reaper like a nest of ants. Come on!

[@Wraithspartan]

@@Art-vod actually, your choice re the rachni queen in ME1 determines the nature of the queen/Breeder in ME3. Boils down to if you save the queen in 1, good idea to do again in 3; if not, Breeder will ultimately betray you and cost War Assets.

[@asdruannibal]

I had 8 different Shepards, and only with the 9th I decided to go full Renegade and found out this path. Killing Uncle Urdnot is simply too much for my heart.

[@Shvabicu]

all my "full" renegade runs draw the line when it comes to fucking over squadmates. Wrex is also my favourite character in the entire series, so this especially is a big nono

[@danlyons9825]

The truly renegade thing to do is have Ashley kill Wrex, then leave her to die.

[@mobunagathevoiceofresistan801]

Right?! It felt wrong the moment it hsppened

[@johnspartan98]

I get Ashley to bump Wrex off. He's a thug anyway. Then I choose Ashley to stay with the bomb and get vaporized. Such a fun game.

[@asdruannibal]

@@johnspartan98 Dude...uncool

[@JakeRichards414]

Mordin dying curing the genophage is his grand destiny. It is canon.

[@humblenerd]

I agree he goes out like a 'G'

[@chucklytell]

Yes, to take this away from him is to deny his amazing destiny, of course didn't want to, but it had to be him...

[@vanstone-arm8984]

@@chucklytell someone else might have gotten it wrong

[@ChrisJones-pi5mh]

Totally agree. He's one of my favorite characters, but it's one of the best storylines... rip Mordin

[@stub0794]

I hope not. Curing the genophage is a horrible idea.

[@skipper4126]

I will never see this ending. Wrex survives, Eve survives, this is the way.

[@MrHalaVar]

You may end up regretting this in ME4 when the Krogan become a galaxy wide threat again.

[@johnspartan98]

@Mass effect If the Krogan survive they will take the galaxy and be in charge..... so ya, it won't happen for sure.

[@raquelfernandes8862]

ME4 will happen. BioWare has launched a trailer and everything. I suggest you check it out.

[@raquelfernandes8862]

I will agree to disagree. BioWare would never launch a trailer of something that wouldn't launch. They never did and wouldn't now.. EA is another story lol

[@SSangsen]

This is the way.

[@NyxOnyx96]

I was so excited when I saw this title, but the price is too high. Mordin is on the distant shore with Thane. He's running tests on seashells, while Thane waits for his Siha to come home. Wrex and Bakara make lots of cute babies. One is named Mordin, one is named Shepard.

[@thejmeister]

Siha

[@madestmadhatter]

Both are girls.(in reference to something wrex says... At least to male shepard)

[@TheAlbumsThatMadeMe]

Canon

[@lamario295]

Did Wrex even know Mordin

[@madestmadhatter]

@@lamario295 In the sense that he met him on the day of the mission, and possibly spoke to him once or twice in ME2 if you took him with you.

[@AudeKhatru]

Shepard: Someone else might have gotten it wrong. Great twist.

[@anonymousrex5207]

Mordin had one of the best death scenes I have ever seen in a video game, so I feel like not going that road would just not feel right

[@pogwog5309]

"Ah, not sure I want to know what that means" I think Hacket might think Shepard went and banged yet another alien

[@jomnix]

He banged the dalatrass to get salarian aid xD

[@yeetin_yeti69]

@@jomnix oh no 😅

[@menotyou9836]

Lmfaoooo

[@andrewolson5471]

Well, he did basically screw over the Krogan race, so...

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

Considering the elevated status of both Krogan and Salarian females in their respective cultures I can imagine that Hacket was trying extra hard to ignore it. Especially if you play a male Shep.

[@DepartedHunter]

Him shouting I made a mistake still rings in my memory. He always justified his decision no matter how awful it was to everyone else with his reasoning. Seeing him explode and admit was something to remember.

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

Yeah, agreed. Most memorable moments indeed. The 'true' way for him to redeem himself.

[@daosx7639]

Oh wow, I never would've even imagined they accounted for this. More reason to love the original trilogy.

[@coffeebean9498]

All 3 games are good. ME3 was rushed, it should have been double the game (like ME3 and ME4) and it is still this good.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

@@coffeebean9498 for the series being continually sabotaged by EA it's amazing how good it turned out. Hard to fathom what 3 could have been

[@jedmsallek9936]

Dan you are gonna get a lot of traffic for people trying to find the best outcomes in mass effect legendary edition thank you and hope all goes well man

[@BigDanGaming]

Thanks! I hope so!

[@theinevitablegodemperordea4278]

Save your money and get the originals they're not censored like the obvious cash grab js saying

[@MikasaAckermann831]

@@theinevitablegodemperordea4278 you really like the 5 scenes of Mirandas ass huh

[@donutmonk]

@@theinevitablegodemperordea4278 have you looked at the price of all the dlc? They have never gone down. You'd spend waaaay more money getting the slightly worse off option (textures, mako driving, etc)

[@Joespart9010]

Stfu

[@diegonunes5896]

"I MADE A MISTAKE" man that's the most powerful line in the game.

[@sorin_markov]

"I have a home" -Tali (romance dialogue as she's boarding the Normandy while on the final push in Priority: Earth) But good contender

[@TrialMacameau]

"Remind me never to play Poker with you." - Garrus 2012

[@Omega1887]

sweet i'm not the only one :D

[@calvinbegaye9196]

The way he didn’t fear death, him singing to the end made is such a tearjerker. I’ll miss you Mordin.

[@aveide]

That's a dark path to take.

[@BigDanGaming]

Indeed it is

[@alekane47]

It is the way.

[@AIWboojum]

A darker path would be to let a vicious, bloodthirsty species loose on the galaxy as it's trying to recover from astronomical losses. I don't care who is ostensibly leading them, billions of angry Krogan are not going to play nice because "Wrex is cool."

[@johnP0908]

@@AIWboojum I can see Wrex can manage to hold the Krogans back once cured. but Wreav thinks differently than Wrex. so I'd rather take this path while Wreav rules or I save Wrex and let Mordin die while curing the genophage.

[@AIWboojum]

​@@johnP0908 There is nothing to indicate Wrex will be able to keep billions of warmongering monsters in check for the rest of eternity, and everything to indicate that the fragile peace he promises will only last until the next warlord comes to power and unites the Krogan with a message they're more receptive to. The Krogan are proven throughout the series to be easily led and virtually incapable of listening to reason once their emotions become involved. I realize the game sets it up so that curing the genophage and letting the Krogan run rampant over a galaxy reeling from the Reaper attacks is the paragon option, but sometimes paragon=naive and I think it does in this case, too.

[@LucidStrike]

Basically, you have to have MADE a peaceful Krogan society unviable to begin with.

[@BigDanGaming]

Yep that's basically it

[@owleen4251]

That also makes one wonder if Eve and Wrex are capable of making the Whole Krogan society peaceful. Part of me that desires happy ending for everyone believes they are, but the other part thinks that considering most of Krogans are bloodthirsty because of their nature and culture, curing them will create yet another threat for the recovering galaxy. It is scary to imagine what will happen should Wrex and Eve be stabbed in their back by someone of their kind. Back when I played mass effect for the first time everything seemed rather simple: a good and a bad choice; now everything seems much more complicated.

[@Midnight_x_Sin]

@@owleen4251 because of that their culture, the backstabbing is very unlikely because, and only because, wrex and eva are both strong *and* wise.

[@0warfighter0]

If all it takes to ruin the chances for a more 'peaceful' Krogan society is the death of 1 or 2 Krogan then in my opinion it's way too dangerous to let them try. The chances are way higher for it to go all wrong than to succeed and the stakes are too high.

[@Midnight_x_Sin]

@@0warfighter0 true but if it means having krogan support against the reapers then those chances are good enough

[@darksteelmenace595]

“I've saved Mordin, but at what cost?“

[@johnspartan98]

No cost. When you save Mordin you can enjoy knowing you tricked those thugs and they won't be able to fight the galaxy after the war with the Reapers is over. If this played out in reality and the Krogan were to find out the cure didn't work, they would ask questions and assume Mordin got it wrong...and someone else might have gotten it right...LMAO.

[@ObIitus]

At cost of preventing another huge war.

[@erke7835]

A life... For a life

[@Aplesedjr]

@@ObIitus a war that almost certainly would not happen if both wrex and eve are in charge.

[@gennarosavastano9424]

Providing peace for galaxy without horde of aggressive krogans

[@elegathor4251]

I cried so hard at Mordin's death scene. On Thane's too. They are all masterfully executed. This trilogy is amazing. Also I had tears in my eyes at Grunt's sacrifice too, but he survived! I'm currently after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel. First playthrough. I'm in love with the trilogy so far!

[@spritemon98]

I find it more sad as he's singing

[@chilwil07]

Thane isn't that sad cause he was doomed to die

[@Gangerworld]

One of the coolest choice outcomes. One of the reasons why I replayed the entire trilogy from the start dozens of times. Choices you make in Mass Effect 1 have impact on what happens in ME3. It's bonkers.

[@Nicholasryan17]

And many, many choices are completely ignored

[@bubalfred260]

@@Nicholasryan17 For the love of god people like you are what makes this community toxic, just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. It's time to let go 😂

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

​@@Nicholasryan17Many, the ending kinda ensures almost no choices matter

[@georgianab6890]

You lost me at "Urdot Wrex must have died during the Virmire mission". One squad member is enough to loose there! Plus, in the overall picture, if you have both Wrex and Eve, Mordin's sacrifice to disperse the cure makes way more sense: on a large scale, it gives the Krogans a chance to rebuild and reinvent, and, on a small scale, it's a short lifespan vs two long ones and Mordin dies feeling atoned, happily singing... As sad as it was, "it had to be him, someone else might have gotten it wrong"...

[@10JudgeP]

Worth noting you can just not recruit Wrex in ME1, also this ending gets you the most EMS, so if you are going for a win at any cost Shepard this is the best route

[@stub0794]

@@10JudgeP I’m glad you said this, in my LE play though I’ll try not to recruit Wrex. I want to save Mordin, but I also don’t want to cure the genophage. Krogans love for 1000 years and have 1000 babies at a time. They would destroy the galaxy.

[@johnspartan98]

Saving Mordin is based on points. You get points for having Wrex die in game 1 and points for destroying the data in game 2. If you don't do those two things there is no way to save Mordin in Game 3 because the conversation options are greyed out and inactive.

[@10JudgeP]

@@johnspartan98 Sure but you don't have to recruit Wrex for him to die before ME2

[@ErosTKB]

@@10JudgeP if you can't win agains some reaper shit with 500 less EMS then you sir...sucks at being Shepard.

[@errolneal9789]

"Someone else might have gotten it wrong " That felt a little personal lol

[@benriffe4705]

Wow I've played these games through almost a dozen times and never once saw this cutscene, thanks!!!

[@urai9438]

As much as I love Mordin, his perfect arc is giving up his life to cure the genophage after actively advocating for it in the beginning. Wrex has to live to fulfill his dream of uniting all Krogans together

[@fireblast8972]

So, here's something I find odd. Every other ME2 squadmate has a replacement for if they die during the suicide mission, but those replacements are not as good and cause problems. For Mordin, that's Padok Wiks. The thing is, whether it's Mordin or Padok, you are forced to either let them cure the genophage or shoot them, with this exception, and it plays out either way. I dunno, I just feel like maybe have it where if Padok tried to cure the genophage, it ends up being a failure, or maybe it is only a partial cure that effects only some krogan.

[@BigDanGaming]

I totally agree with this. It would have been interesting if they had a failure option for the genophage like they did with the Geth-Quarian conflict. It seems kind of ridiculous that any talented Salarian scientist can whip up a successful genophage cure in a matter of weeks.

[@MarkusWCW2K19UniverseVideos]

I just wish wrex didn’t have to be dead lol

[@BigDanGaming]

@@MarkusWCW2K19UniverseVideos Same here man

[@gibster9624]

@@MarkusWCW2K19UniverseVideos This is how I felt the moment he said Wrex had to die in ME1. IDK if I could bring myself to killing him.

[@shadowytwilight]

@@BigDanGaming well Padok was a student of Mordin, and possibly had access to Maelon's data is you saved it, as well as Eve. there's a lot that you can do with all those resources. I like to think of it as Padok's cure was like slower reacting, gradual immunity...while Mordin's was almost Vaccination fast immunity

[@vedritmathias9193]

Wrex is a heavy price for saving Mordin...

[@BigDanGaming]

Yes he is

[@Berek71182]

I only finished a playthrough without Wrex once. Never again. In this playthrough i also lost all motivations to play any DLC content.

[@dlc2139]

@Kisa Vorobianinov they suggested that Eve would rule with wrex, and that Eve inspires the other krogan. They listen to her. She’s even a krogan shaman so they listened to her even before that. Maybe they will start a tradition of man and woman rule to balance each other out.

[@jensreiberg8086]

@@BigDanGaming on that note I do have a question, don't know if you made a video on that topic. What happens to the Citadel DLC when you don't recruit Wrex?

[@phrenetik]

@@jensreiberg8086 nothing he’s not there

[@gibster9624]

This is a perfect example of everyone that complains that our decisions didn't matter that much for ME3s ending. The entire game had several caps on decisions made between curing the genophage, settling the quarian geth war and defeating the reapers. We essentially ended 3 really huge story arcs. How can anyone be mad at that?

[@420gunnyinc]

I think it was the ending people were complaining about not meshing with their choices from the entire game trilogy.

[@gibster9624]

@@420gunnyinc I just don't get that. Is it as crystal as ME2? No but it's still there in a lot of ways. Decisions we make all the way to ME1 effect whay we can do in ME3

[@420gunnyinc]

@@gibster9624 I was referring to the ending of ME3 not being affected by our choices made early on.

[@gibster9624]

@@420gunnyinc But they were tho. If don't destroy the collector base in ME2 and then don't get enough War assets before the final mission then our only choice is the control option. Again it's not down to a bunch of decisions like in Mass Effect 2 sure but a lot of what we do weighs heavily on what decisions we can make at the end of ME3. But ultimately our decisions made throughout the series as well as ME3 are spread out in the genophage, geth and quarians, and the reapers.

[@gibster9624]

@@420gunnyinc I totally understand what you are saying. Now understand what I am saying. Our decisions were spread out through 3 main story conflicts not just the very end of ME3 and I think way too many people missed that and put so much on the end of ME3 and people just aren't appreciating that we got really 3 different ending to 3 different stories.

[@marginis]

"Remind me never to play poker with you."

[@hollyleafwell2118]

Man I knew Mordin surviving wasn't a fever dream. I've only had this outcome once in my many playthroughs and since I never got it again I was convinced I just remembered it wrong. Thanks for showing me I'm still sane 😂

[@yourbuddyunit]

As a fellow big Dan, I think you're critically underrated. Keep up the amazing work!

[@BigDanGaming]

Thanks Dan! Much appreciated!

[@Lark88]

This just made me realize that I never had a run where Mordin died in the suicide mission. I'll have to see what happens with ME3 when the new edition comes out.

[@leen8430]

Great step by step explanation, it's fascinating to see all these secrets years after playing. I'm currently bingewatching your ME videos while the game is downloading... thank you so much for putting all this together!

[@MonsterMode2011]

Damn. My first time playing ME3 and I’ve known about Mordin’s death to cure the Genophage for years. Still hurt like a bitch to see my boy go up that elevator.

[@chris13155]

I grew up with this series as a kid but never really got to play me3. I’m on my first play through on it and it makes my heart nervous even though I’ve always known his sacrifice):

[@Luablood]

me at the start of the video : """secret""" me at the end: "fuck I'm an evil bastard actually"

[@zombielepra1726]

Like shit I was curious about if there was a way to save him and holy shit your a fucking monster if you do because you fuck an entire species over just so he lives, I can understand why it’s a secret because you legitimately have to be a monster to get it

[@pobzy4076]

I think this is the more profitable outcome for the player but I love the ending with Wrex, Balata and Mordin's line about the sea shells. The last clip of him singing out with the explosion is so cathartic and it just feels like the right thing to do

[@venkateshshenoy4888]

This branching situation is why ME3 is my favorite, so many variables at play. I love it.

[@RookieDancin]

Man... The "I made a mistake!!!!" Sounds so powerful. Everytime I see the genophage and geth story line I get a little sad that all these great stories lead to a half ass crappy ending

[@FreakazoidRobots]

Well, that'll explain why I never found this path. I saved everyone I could in every single playthrough, so I always had both Wrex and Eve alive by the end.

[@cptsketch13]

This is definitely the most pragmatic version of shepard.

[@yeetin_yeti69]

I love how shepherds response to most Questions about the Ginophage are literally “no comment” or *stare at the wall Unnoticeably*

[@coffeebean9498]

I knew this since I played with the walkthrough at ME wiki. I have watched a few videos on Mordin surviving, but this is the most comprehensive one. Thanks for the effort.

[@BigDanGaming]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@goldfishzzz]

Man I love having Mordin alive but I would have wished that we could cure the genophage and have him too.

[@morinthshepard6567]

I did this ....once and i felt shitty not even having finished part 1 ... met Reave on Tuchanka and could not wait to shut him up .... in ME3 i sabotaged the cure and Mordin survived but after that i stopped that playthrough ... it just did not sit right with me saving a life on account of a species..... pretty messed up. Mordin is still one of my favorites but never again....

[@TunaYoney]

7:55 Garrus line totally worth sabotaging the cure

[@ababok3337]

Could you make a video about, every replacement for every dead squad mate if we choose to pick save from me 2 where everyone exepct shepard are dead, greetings from Poland

[@BigDanGaming]

I'll consider it. Interesting idea! Cheers!

[@SweD5425]

"Reading their solutions to engineering problems on the way over. Looking forward to correcting them in person." I love Mordin.

[@Volianer]

I tried this once, but on my run I didn’t have to kill Wrex on Virmire; instead later he finds out that the Genophage wasn’t cured and attacks Shepard on the citadel

[@JuryRigged]

Ah, that's how that happens.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Probably one of the worst outcomes. You end up losing the Krogan and killing Wrex

[@jomnix]

@@Captain_Insano_nomercy and algo killing mordin.

[@Rikalonius]

Yeah, that's a tough moment. I played it out on a playthrough. My personal opinion is that the Krogan would revert back to their old galaxy conquering ways if you somehow found a way to kill the Reapers. This is also why I prefer the control ending.

[@Rikalonius]

@@Captain_Insano_nomercy Do you lose the Krogan as an asset?

[@xandertrotter3504]

Replaying the series again (for the 9th or so time) and saw this video and was like "YES!!!" and watched it and was like "...no". Long live, Wrex. RIP Mordin 😞

[@stanleywilliams1605]

Same!

[@ChristesII]

For those who don't want to kill Wrex, you can also just not recruit him in ME1. I discovered this accidentally in one playthrough where I just passed on him.

[@Bapmaster86]

Amazing that this is actually all possible and in the games. Love these videos, Big Dan! Pretty interesting outcome, fits well with the story and Mordin is so cool :D

[@lwk.the_father]

It is terrible to say, but this is inevitably the best ending for this mission, provided you make the right choices prior. When you look at all the other endings, you do not get as much power from them as you do from this, because you gain power from Salarians and Krogans, as well as keeping Mordin Solus. Also, when you choose the synthesis ending, the genophage is cured anyway, and Mordin lives the rest of his life happily.

[@mal4797]

From the very first time I met Mordin, he's been my favorite character. I really wish he could survive till the end.

[@ItsYaBoiV]

Gotta love Mass Effect for making us fall for characters and then killing them off. Then Citadel goes and says "Hey, here's Mordin's memoirs and all the messages Thane tried sending you, sucks they're dead right?" 😂

[@damocles9676]

What??? ! I didn't know about that. As always I like this video. Thanks for your labour, author!)

[@buggydyonkou8748]

This feels very wrong, felt bad even watching it. Like taking the most promising leader away from krogan wasn't enough, you also decept them. Damn

[@grilledleeks6514]

deceive

[@poundsofslothcigars]

A Rhexless world isnt one I wanna live in.

[@RayHanmaForce]

Well damn I'm way past that now lol so you coming late for me. Hell at least I just got the geth and quarian fleets.

[@BigDanGaming]

Save him on another run perhaps. Good you managed to get the Geth and Quarians and your side

[@RayHanmaForce]

@@BigDanGaming yes Bro and now I'm at the Citadel just spoke to that Asari chic in Udina's office.

[@RayHanmaForce]

@@BigDanGaming I had to go through the whole damn game again man lol. For I didn't know that I had to import my shepard from ME2 in order to get the perfect ending

[@RayHanmaForce]

@@BigDanGaming Ok now I'm playing Andromeda and I need some help

[@vampirechunks]

Does Aria have any unique dialogue about Mordin in the Omega DLC if he lives? Because if Mordin dies, Aria and Shepard have a small conversation about him when they pass through his old clinic.

[@catharsysgaming]

I will have to try this route when Legendary comes out..

[@catharsysgaming]

I got to play it, got to Wrex.... i chickened out. I do not have the lady balls to be able to kill Wrex, love him too much >< One day i shall attempt it... but not right now :x

[@thegreyeyedcat9142]

@@catharsysgaming you can also not recruit him in me1 and get this same sequence of events. It’s still sucks not having him but better than watching wrex die or killing him yourself

[@Smeginator]

You also receive an email from Wreav, essentially saying “the cure isn’t working yet. It must take a long time to take effect.” Garrus hit it on the nose - Wreav doesn’t have any clue what happened, whereas Wrex comes down hard on you

[@jayit6851]

Losing Wrex and undoing Mordin's character development is high of a price

[@Ikcatcher]

Gotta respect BioWare for including this very specific scene and letting you get both races assistance

[@Wolf.moon23]

Believe me... IT'S A LOT WORSE if you decide do sabotage the cure if Wrex survives. Garus is right, Wrex finds out eventually and decides to confront you... And you end up losing him AND Mordin!

[@saecula2391]

Thank you very much, I will save Mordin in the next playthrough. So I hope he doesn't appear dead in the ending scene anymore.

[@Knights_Oath]

I can do many things in life, but intentionally killing Wrex is a bridge too far for me.

[@AegixDrakan]

"Too focused on big picture. Big Picture made of little pictures! Too many Variables!" The *delivery* on those lines. That's why we all love Mordin.

[@EpicBunty]

Whenever I replay the game I make mostly the same choices. I just can't have it any other way. And reliving those same epic moments is still wonderful and awesome. When mordin says someone else could have gotten in wrong has to be me. Damn, always brings a tear to my eye.

[@haraldhimmel5687]

When I replay a game i force myself to make choices i dont usually do. whats the point otherwise, heh.

[@EpicBunty]

as i said some of the choices in mass effect are so epic that just replaying them gives me immense pleasure like saving the geth/legion and reliving the part about saving the genophage. but yes for the not so epic choices I do change my decisions for example punching the shit out of that reporter on my second playthrough. its like, would you have 10 different lives ranging from shit to awesome, or would u rather relive 10 awesome lives with small changes :))

[@cassiespencer6134]

Oh c'mon! Broaden your horizon. As Jack (or I) would say: "Take your balls, out of your purse and kick some ass!" >;}

[@davida.j.berner776]

I've had this scenario before. I believe if you play ME3 from scratch, i. e. without importing an ME2 save, the game gives you Wreav as clan chief. He is so vocal about his future plans for going on the warpath, choosing to deceive the krogan is an easy decision. Sadly, despite surviving, Mordin still doesn't turn up to the party in Citadel. (He does leave a note, though!)

[@Blechhower]

Mordin is my absolute favorite character in all Mass Effect. And i will always choose the canon ending. Its just perfect.

[@porsche911sbs]

every playthrough is its own canon, there is no singular canon in _Mass Effect_

[@Blechhower]

@@porsche911sbs Youre so close minded it hurts me.

[@porsche911sbs]

@@Blechhower I think you responded to the wrong comment

[@fortnitefanningfunnymomets7613]

@@Blechhower its more open minded to say theres no canon lmao

[@Fighting2Survive-i9f]

Gawd. I never knew you could save Mordin. I loved him soooo much and hated when he died. You're making me want to play this over now just to save him.

[@Freekymoho]

saving him does come at an awful cost though

[@AIWboojum]

@@Freekymoho What awful cost? The fact that a species of war-hungry monsters won't run roughshod over the galaxy when it's at its weakest point?

[@chris2thejmedia]

3:17 You can hear the hurt and torment of millions of lives he's responsible for and the weight it has on him.

[@googleuser9073]

Mordin lives = Wrex dies. Mordin is already old for a salarian. He has maybe 5 more years left to live. Might as well let him go out saving an entire species.

[@Shandakai]

I didn't know he could be saved ☹️ The game doesn't feel the same without him

[@StarkSpider24]

But at what cost!? 😭

[@englishvoodoo676]

I had no idea! Great vid :) I would never lose Wrex for a couple of extra emails from Mordin but great find none the less!!

[@user-tp7ic5lp7p]

It's nifty but it deprives moridan of his most important character development arc. It doesn't do him justice to put back all his development. Lol it's funny that even though there is all this content available if you let the characters do as they would given free will there is only one path

[@gennarosavastano9424]

He's development happened already. I just convince him not to die for mindless brutes to breed uncontrollably

[@user-tp7ic5lp7p]

@gennaro he would die within a year anyway most likely In me 1 he was 38 salarians don't live to see 45. And the obsession with breeding is a response to the genophage that isn't the reason it was inflicted on them. The krogan are simply too powerful and regenerate to quickly to be allowed to have a standard population large enough to project military might given their lack of cultural development and war like predications at their stage of cultural development with the right leaders(the female from me3, and wrex) they can curb the obsession.

[@gennarosavastano9424]

@@user-tp7ic5lp7p i appreciate your points, but still would never cure it as Shepherd. Risk too high. Past behind is the best predictor of future behavior

[@user-tp7ic5lp7p]

@gennaro I chose to cure for two reasons. First it felt like the natural progression of the game given things out side our influence like moridan leaking the cured female to wrex and the shady way the salarians wanted to deal with the situation (if it doesn't feel right it usually isn't) and you have to coerce, deceive, or kill one or more of the people your supposed to protect in order to prevent the cure. Reason number two is wrex wants to keep krogan devided by clans to preserve heritage but it also has the fringe benefit of ensuring they won't be as likely to unite under one banner for anything less than survival. Also consider that yes they are a warrior race but that doesn't mean they have any less of a right to prosperity. And doubtful they would be willing risk another genophage to dominate the galaxy. Domination has never been their goal. They are survivors not war mongers. That is another trait that was a response to the genophage not their default

[@gennarosavastano9424]

@@user-tp7ic5lp7p I completely disagree with you about them not wanting to dominate galaxy and not being warmongers. We can see how during the game they have low numbers and still choose to constantly fight each other just for sake of war itself. Being short sided, close minded or simply stupid. Plus Wrex won't live forever, that's one thing, second, he's not so powerful as he likes to appear, other warlords would take power from him before he die of natural causes. It's their nature and culture to constantly disagree and fight, if not someone else then each other. In my gameplay Wrex never survive first game. Simply because no one who is part of my squad and point a gun at me will stay alive. Most likely outcome in real life and military special operations-no one will risk someone like that to stay around and geopardize the mission. Plus military or not, I would never let it slide. So I have Wreav left and he's even less worth of trust. He represents average krogan mentality. I never have to kill him or Mordin to prevent cure. I always manage to convince Mordin it not a good idea. So to get there i only have to kill Wrex, but it's his own fault. I don't feel bad about it

[@ladyphoenixgrey3923]

Mordin is *such* a good character. Thanks for this. ❤️❤️❤️ And how Shepard says what Mordin would right before he dies? Oh man. Heart-wrenching.

[@MrMaro1995]

Just want to remind, that Garrus's dialogue at Normandy bridge right after cure/sabotage is also changed. ;) It`s more subtle but worth mentioning. :)

[@epicgems9567]

Honestly, storywise, him dying to cure the genophage is the most epic shit.

[@ericksoriano1603]

Can mordin assist to the party at citadel DLC?

[@MoaRider]

So not only do I save future generations from Krogan aggression, but I also give the best character in Mass Effect a couple more years to live. I see this as an absolute win.

[@scy7her]

Shepard uses diplomacy to convince Mordin to sabotage the genophage Garrus: Remind me to never play poker with you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lordextinction8322]

I am the very model of a scientist Salarian! I've studied species, Turian, Asari, and Batarian. I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology), because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology). I was on a team that modified the Genophage In fact, some would call me a Salarian sage Coming at ya with Incinerate and Cryo Blast Watch out 'cause I'll drop you and your armor fast My xenoscience studies rang from urban to agrarian - I am the very model of the scientist Salarian!

[@TheBlackKakashi]

I'm not brave enough to do this, even if it means saving Mordin

[@samplexample]

Shepard: how could you change your mind now? Mordin: I MADE HIM A STEAK!

[@aragos32727]

I like Mordin but Wrex is my brother. I'm part of his clan.

[@darian2975]

True. If Wrex is alive I'll cure genophage every single time. Man deserve a rest after all that adventures.

[@ARWINGx1]

3:32 One thing that's convenient, is that Shepard's Renegade Option, ("Why?") I would've said the same, word for word. Namely "Do they? Has Wreav proven that the Krogan can be trusted?"

[@ElladanKenet]

Kinda disappointing that you have to aim for the mediocre route to save Mordin.

[@ARWINGx1]

7:42 Loved it when Garrus slipped in some hints about the consequences the players would've experienced, IF Wrex was alive, and the Warlord, instead of Wreav.

[@VPBFR89]

-Did you save Mordin? -Yes. -What did it cost you? -Everything.

[@owleen4251]

"Everything" is not recruiting Wrex and saving the galaxy from one of the most if not the most bloodthirsty race.

[@VPBFR89]

@@owleen4251 Mordin himself said "I made a mistake" so... and i know that Wrex and Bakara would keep those hotheads at leashed.

[@andrewolson5471]

I love Mordin, but his self-sacrifice to cure the genophage is the best way for his story to end.

[@gennarosavastano9424]

"to save Mordin you have to kill Wrex" Everyone: "No way" Me: BANG!

[@barretoleandroariel]

Bro I think this really is the best way, in our first playthrough we're all new to galaxy history and politics, Wrex and Eve aren't worth the trouble that curing the genophage will bring. This galactic cooperation with the natural downplay of the genophage is the way thay may lead to a better Krogan maybe with Grunt eventually as a leader and ally to the Citadel.

[@Ridders-yh4nf]

Nope, you lost me at "Wrex must die at virmire"

[@kwkcardinal]

I’m so glad I didn’t use any guides on my first complete play through. Shooting Morton and Wrex finding out about the betrayal and having to kill him too was one of the greatest and saddest turn of events I’ve ever experienced in gaming.

[@Alvargon]

I have to kill Wrex to save Mordin from an epic and honorable dead? No THX XDD

[@thejmeister]

Haha! I love the start of the video. It really looked like Mordin was saying "What's up everyone!"