MASSIVE MYTHIC+ REWARD CHANGES AND DUNGEON TUNING ANNOUNCED!

[@kyosukedeiknives]

I tried Mythic+ first time this season, your guides were helpful for us 30 year old gamers. got 2500io Keystone Hero. Keep it going.

[@Tactyks]

That's huge, congrats at hitting that milestone, glad I could help!

[@AmandaPelland]

That's awesome! thank you for covering this!! I was just going to go for KSM (almost there), now I may have a better chance at KSH!

[@Tactyks]

No problem at all, good luck with KSM and KSH!

[@FlyingPig990]

As a PPal main this season, I was struggling. I average 2800 rating in seasons passed. First buffs to class and now the change to guilded crests, it reminds me of the Mr.mcmahon meme lol. I mostly pug and now feel better towards portal progression. Man, was I happy to see this video in my feed!

[@Delemaroth]

More accessible crests is great for the game. Great change

[@asattley]

Good changes. I still have some frustration legitimately my keys have only Mist and Necro I have had Arak once and Dawn once the whole time. Dont know if its just me or not but I have group of 4 people we play with and we only see Seige, Mist and Necro every now and again we get a new dungeon. Just seem really weird.

[@TheRealCabe]

you're not alone, for 2 weeks I only got Necro keys on 3 different chars. Weird indeed.

[@agronnak]

Same here lol so far, I have only gotten Mists and NW out of the Vault. Rerolled three times and got NW, then GB and back to NW lol

[@swingforgame7229]

Damn you were quick on this post, we just learned about this 30 minutes ago lol

[@Tactyks]

I SPEED RUN VIDEOS JUST LIKE I SPEED RUN IN GAME

[@Xemioza]

Quazii probably recording right now xD

[@MiLiTiaAn]

Early bird gets the worm

[@darkwa456]

Spent 4 hours pugging dungeons as a lock yesterday currently 1890 rateing, attempted 5 plus 7s, one timed 4 bricked, gained 10 raiting and some bracers that were worse than the one from the delv 🤣 positive day

[@bilyscr1]

Season 3 DF was perfect imo. Best crests from 6 and myth vault from 8.

[@sampl9137]

Thank you for putting this out so soon

[@Tactyks]

No problem, good timing on the changes when I was sitting at my computer hahaha

[@serge2cool]

I'm liking this, keep the word rolling Tactyks mate, we need to rally the scene again while WoW TWW is off to a really fun start, good on you! ✊

[@joseaugustooliveira9430]

Nice chances, but please I just want proper buffs to prot pally. It freaks me out that a dude with plate and shield is the squishiest tank

[@shongueesha7875]

Thats not how their class design work anymore....

[@eppattv]

People are timing +14 keys with prot pally Skill issue I guess

[@DieInStyle0]

11.0.5 rework will maybe help, not sure what the early read on it is, just know it's substantial.

[@thenikkidixx]

Skill issue.

[@danielkarlsson397]

well DUH! IRON FUR. what can be harder than that :D

[@Vidler13]

You should have more subs man - awesome content and very fast on the updates

[@Tactyks]

Appreciate the kind words friend, glad you enjoy the content

[@amethonys2798]

They need to hit the creation health still. Right now you have to play super carefully with how much you want to prioritize into them in order to avoid the double creation after he jumps back up. I'd just rather have the option of cleaving it down passively and if it dies it dies oh well the 2nd creation can throw the 2nd hook and you lose like 15 seconds or whatever. BEST case scenario though is we just outright rework the boss and have Stitchflesh just jump % based guaranteed so you aren't omega punished for not making certain cycles or needing to throw the kitchen sink at him and rebalance accordingly for the increase/decrease in time spent in phases.

[@MrJeremydb91]

Huge! Next myth in vault from 9’s inc

[@Tactyks]

That would definitely make weekly vault keys way nicer!

[@JumboCod91]

Bring it down to 8 tbh. Dungeons are harder than previous seasons anyway, and myth was from 8 even then.

[@tarison8395]

@@JumboCod91 just make it +2 at this point.. theres no reason to push further than 8s then and +10s arent that bad when you have 620+ gear

[@Maba111]

I would love to try and push at least 12s if I can, though my goal is generally just portals. With the way the great vault works, I decided to just craft my mythic pieces so I control the stats vs only getting mythic gear from the vault and just hoping to get lucky, though I haven’t even pugged 7s yet. Don’t like the runes change from +4 to +7, though I kinda understand why though I don’t like that there’s only one level of m+to get them since gilded start at +8 now. I’d prefer they stick to +4 since we get hero gear at +7 anyway. At least that way you could fully upgrade your champion pieces before you got hero gear and needed gilded crests.

[@Mikesart98]

Bruh, I ran NW 26 times yesterday (yes 26) for a ring for my brew and I was getting f***** up the ass and NOW Blizz wanna nerf the dungeon?? I want my pain and suffering back this instant!!

[@BartholomewDKuma]

blizzard life, quit until they change things for better and having a good time coming back

[@darkwa456]

The joys of being a tank to do 26 runs in a day, don't think I've managed to get in 26 keys this xpac as a pugging lock haha

[@Dr0Damyen]

I started this season with delves, but with the nerve to Zekvir in relation to the vault it doesn’t feel worth it anymore. I’m not going to do 8 delves for 16 crests and a small change to get something from the vault. I wanted to do M4, but I don’t get invited. I tried M3 but I don’t get invited. I’m trying M2 now to get M+ score and nothing else. I get invited 5% of the time. On top of getting invited there is also the waiting on either a tank or healer. The crests I can’t use anymore and neither the vault. So it doesn’t feel rewarding and on top of that most runs are hell. Yesterday I had a healer who kept standing in almost everything. We did several bosses in Stonevault without a healer. It seems switching from delves to M+ during a season seems to be a really really bad idea. I hope for season 2 Blizzard makes it very clear what M+ will bring and what delves will bring and they don’t change it during the season.

[@wiskeeamazingdancer4964]

Start running your own keys. Starting "late" in the season is hard. I basically went 1 or 2 levels up at a time to push my score up a bit. But I know it is rough for dps.

[@Dr0Damyen]

@@wiskeeamazingdancer4964 I hate this even more. When I join a key I can do something else while we wait 10-15 minutes for a tank. If I'm the partyleader I need to keep an eye on the LFG otherwise those 10-15 minutes will be 30 minutes if people stay that long at all. The same with queuing as healer or as tank. That will improve the invites, but healing and tanking cost me much more energy which results in much less play time. I would consider this if the rewards for tanking and healing would be better than dps.

[@Peacemoon-ToH]

Good changes. I think since 5/6 and 6/6 hero gear need gilded, this is a good change. Before you needed to do +9s to make your hero gear better than champ. I still think Stitchflesh needs more nerfs, with hp nerf to the constructs, and weapons in NW being re-useable. If you wipe on Stitchflesh and use all your weapons, you’re a bit screwed

[@daledadolphin]

so true on stitchflesh adds, their hp can’t keep getting away with this!!

[@Tactyks]

Yeah we'll see if the damage nerf is enough that they aren't too scary living longer since they'll only have 1 spear debuff, but I think knocking ~10% off their HP would be very welcome.

[@tim9570]

it took the devs 3 weeks to get into a key to see this happen....i cant tell you how many times this boss break the pugs keys

[@Homer5235]

This boss was pretty chill up to 11 even without spears. You just have to focus abos. The boss only spawns abos upstairs. If you dont use the 3rd hook on the boss and instead use the 1st hook from the new abo on the boss, he will spawn the abos later. Thats a huge advantage and give you around 20sec longer time to dps the abos. I had great success with that strat.

[@daledadolphin]

@@Homer5235 yeah that is the alternate strat but the aboms have so much hp that you need quite good dps to have a chance of killing them in time and it takes forever… we found that with lower ilvl it made it near to impossible even with people playing pretty good

[@Tenezill]

S3 DF was good, still can't see why the vault gets pushed to 10

[@jiipo3]

These changes are most welcome, but overall I really enjoy the current season. I like that there's a bit of a bite to it, it's supposed to be a challenge when moving up in difficulty, if everyone is just clearing 10s easily from early on its too easy in my opinion.

[@timjo5956]

I really liked M+ but this season feels really rough playing in pugs if you were not able to push first week and gain good score. I like the changes but i feel like they could lower it even more so they would even it out with last season. With Limited playtime its really hard to gain the crests and mythic ilvl vault. If you can only spend a little bit of time in the evening its maybe enough for 1 or 2 Dungeons :( People who can play the heck out of the game should do it and get the upgrades faster anyways. But atleast i want to be able to get the crests a little bit more consistent. Hyped for more changes tho!

[@moldgrim1]

One of my guildies, who's been depleting 5s, complained "oh great, now eveeyone will get crests for free in the mail without going out of main city. Terrible change lul". Some ppl are impossible to please 😂

[@jeremyhead7368]

thats a good start, don't think this solves the problems tho. The vault rewards for m+ feel lackluster still for the content your doing. Why would I want to do a +7 for a 616 when I can go do Delves solo not have to worry about potentially 4 other stupid people and get the same reward

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

so true m+ vault is dogshit if you are not doing 10s

[@caiocarvalho8844]

You would want to do a +7 to maximize your chances to get actually good gear, and because it’s fun for most ppl

[@dariominiello9934]

Honestly, they should just remove the on death time penalty

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

this 7 affix is the most toxic mechanic in the game. worse than pvp 😂 and its funny they added this which results in people leaving a key which js totally fine at this point

[@Tactyks]

Yeah, have not been a fan of it since it was first put in on beta, really hoping that's part of the "more changes coming soon".

[@muhammadnoble4510]

Hi can u help me and advise best tank for boosting over all ? Dh druid warrior ?

[@Tactyks]

Honestly I think all 3 of those tanks are pretty solid, so personal preference comes into play. All 3 of them are present near the top of the M+ leaderboards currently and can work in different group comps, they just play a bit differently.

[@fmlo]

Finally there's a path for casuals to get a bit more powerfull to progress on the content. Would rather see them remove Tyranical and Fortified and keep everything else as it was... nonetheless these are good changes.

[@MostlyFish21]

Thank you for being a hard working American patriot

[@Tactyks]

About that.....shout out Canada :P

[@ericaa9338]

I like this season a lot. These are good changes without swinging the nerf bat too hard. It reminds me of early BFA keys and I like the challenge. I like the buff aspect to the keys again. It was so boring in Dragoonflight.

[@Vaen710]

A good start. Would be nice to see myth vaults lowered to 9 or less; 10s with their portals are the final goal for a lot of pugs, and this would help them out

[@Tactyks]

Yeah that would make it more on par with what they did back in Dragonflight as well.

[@Sniperfuchs]

I think it's also fair to just wait. The biggest problem imo was breaking out of 7s cause you can't get better gear without the crests but 8 gave basically nothing and you had to do 9s which was very, very hard in pugs. I wouldn't have minded vault at 9 too but at least now those players even have the possibility to get better gear for doing the 10s cause this hole in progression is now gone.

[@trickwheeler]

No way, 9s are challenging not HARD. The best gear should be awarded in the hardest content which starts at 10. You do not need myth gear to complete a 10

[@MrJeremydb91]

@@trickwheelerthey will cave and lower myth to 9, they already caving, get off your elite horse

[@dr3armer]

​@@trickwheeler you cant allow people to get the best gear from a 7 for 4 expansions then just set the bar super high along with all the other changes. Its fair to at the very least make it a 9

[@Carsone22]

Still need 77% count before going up?

[@Tactyks]

Yeah the count upstairs shouldn't have changed, just more count from pulling the mini boss before Amarth.

[@yjre]

Delves should also drop gilded crest and same ilvl as mythical raids on +9

[@moldgrim1]

If they add more lvls since 11s are faceroll, sure.

[@biffii5568]

@@moldgrim1 its a bait lol

[@lol878787]

its a step in the right direction, but no where near what the game needs to be actually enjoyable and not feel like super try hard mode has to be on or u are not having fun, I been doing kinda high keys since shadowlands and this season seems pretty fuckin hard, its like they tailored it to be for pro's and super tryhards. dont get me wrong i like a challenge too, my friends doesnt enjoy the game anymore and it feels like iam begging them to play and when we do we only do couple of keys and call it a week...their reasoning is they would rather play a less stressful game, games shouldnt be a source of stress if u ask me, so i dont get why the fuck is it that hard to push keys since all the fun is in pushing not in repeating the same key level.

[@champboehm7863]

Thanks g

[@Tactyks]

No problem!

[@tonyr6180]

Amazing changes overall

[@DrGeazy]

I wouldn’t mind myth track gear dropping down to +9 too. The heroic track gear it feels like a waste spending gilded crests on it.

[@SlashspitGaming]

I think Delves should have a slight boost in farmable gilded crests. So far I am a heroic raider, delve spammer, 2k mythic+ io score, and have earned just 40 gilded crests. The m+8 will help, but why not make ?? Zekvir give 1 gilded or 11+ Delves gives 1 gilded. Theres no way Im ever going to catch up to the evergrowing gilded cap at 30 a week.

[@heh701]

because blizz wants to force you to run keys.

[@Tactyks]

Love the idea of adding gildeds to +11s or ?? Zekvir, those seem pretty consistent difficulty wise with a +8 (maybe more difficult honestly) so it makes sense.

[@elementalismproductions]

Much needed

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

imo +7 should drop gilded but for now im ok with 8. i still think grim needs some tuning. its way way harder than any other key. and resto druid needs more love 😂 and the 7 penalty affix needs to go from weekly vault keys. its unnecessary punishing

[@Tactyks]

Would love for them to just ditch the current level 7 affix and put something new there, the triple death penalty feels insanely punishing for just having a single wipe, which imo should be allowed in weekly vault keys.

[@WindingRoads2020]

So are these videos officially Tactnotes yet?

[@Tactyks]

Hahaha that's a good name for them

[@MrM4DD0gg]

Mythic track gear from the vault should drop from +8 and above.

[@steamgoonzcarpetcleaningll1843]

Mythic track should drop from 8s in vault, not everyone has the ability to get a good group to push 10s. Out of every 3 groups 1 fails and one doesn’t time but maybe with crest dropping at lower keys we’ll gear up to push 10s. We shall see

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

I can barely pug a 7. The mythics crest should star at 6 or 7. The reason they did 8s its because no one did 8s. they give players a whole season to complete 10s. M+ should be like dl.

[@BulkersRuleZ]

Its still way higher than it was before m+ squish... It was 16+ that dropped mythic crests so it should be +6 not +8

[@zekonja90]

Vault should be at +9 imo, 1/6, 10 can be 2/6 imo.

[@iulian3335]

Why they waiting until 15 tho?

[@nonye0]

soemtimes i dont get them. they knew their tuning is over the top but why took so long to start changes lol

[@jaygarduh2010]

You’re my fav. That is all.

[@Tactyks]

No u

[@solemvow6281]

For the love of god, fix spam casters or make kicks great again (MKGA)

[@Jay-407]

Of course after they lost a huge chunk of the player base

[@malganis7233]

i have every KSM since SL and haven't touched this season yet everything is overtuned without a thought or a reason, just to piss players off imo job of healers is a living hell, hence we have huge lack of those in pugs - what sane healer would pug now? so yeah, untill Blizzard brings it down to the normal level, i am not touching M+

[@wowsew]

WEE WOO WEE WOO ALERT ALERT. people still wont grab orbs on Skarmorak tho.... :]

[@Tactyks]

Hahaha maybe by next month it'll be more common :P

[@mokioskyrillou577]

Kinda too late blizz iam still not brave enough to even try even with 612 i dont dare to do plus 6 not even plus t if i can avoid it! Definitley no healing i think is better to quit not rewarding too much stress and delves well not excactley the solo content either these proplems were ovious from the ptr and first 1-2weeks but blizz was busy nerfing specs especialy shaman in both ele and resto nice!!

[@ramiropuerto]

When does this implement?

[@Tactyks]

Dungeon nerfs coming on reset, affix changes coming later today, crest changes already in!

[@Xemioza]

20% nerf for 3rd boss in NW is massive, twenty fookin percent /facepalm Crests 8, now myth track on 9 xd

[@biffii5568]

its actually a buff id say (for that boss specifically), cause everyone is triple spearing its + lust + all CDs and he dies in literally 8 sec xd

[@boomerwow8482]

Good changes. I know a handful of high-end players really like it when half of players aren't able to progress for whatever reason. Sorry to those few loud people. For the elites out there i wouldn't mind a situation where they could do an extreme version of a raid fight or m +15 or something would drop a gear that was 3 levels higher or something. Just so they can still feel good about overachieving, but not gatekeeping everyone else from high-end gear.

[@C4P_10]

I liked the difficulty, I'm finally getting used to it and now they made it easier.

[@matthewalexander2780]

Thank you for the video. I believe it's a step into the right direction. Blizzard needs to remove Peril. Melee damage from mobs across the board needs to be reduced by 20-40% - I would do it more, but realistically, they probably won't. Revert tank changes or at least compensate. I believe GIlded crests should be awarded starting at +7. If Blizzard really wants to turn the season around and they're not afraid of hotfixes, they need to begin doing sweeping nerfs to dungeons and reward structures. They need to consider their audience and prepare for changes that avert the vast majority of players, instead of adjusting for the top percent of players. I wonder if they would even consider removing Fort/Tyrannical and the nameplate clutter affixes. Again, thank you.

[@smoke7877]

So you want mythic plus to be cookie clicker and give free loot

[@matthewalexander2780]

@@smoke7877 No where in my post did I say that. But I appreciate your input. And if it was easier to obtain gear, how would that affect you? The dungeons already scale infinitely. So let that be the cut off between the variations of players. Players will eventually hit a wall. Why just arbitrarily gatekeep gear? And placing GIlded at 7s+ isn't exactly giving away "free loot" as you suggest. There are still a vast number of players who can't complete 5s.

[@smoke7877]

@matthewalexander2780 so you just want any player who doesn't care about learning their class and thr mechanics to get max level gear just for participating

[@geraldtan3880]

Heroic track gear should go up to 8/8, this will make M> great again

[@gruncleiroh5525]

Well I just finished all my 8's last week and im starting to time some 9's so obviously im furious that all the players who are getting hard stuck at 8 being unable to do 9's will have access to the crests. Why doesnt blizzard tune it so that everyone better than me cant get better gear but everyone worse than me has worse gear.

[@syedie7283]

It's not nearly the problem of this season of dung tuning, but that people go StoneVault +6 with 2200rio early for month and don't know the basic mechanics. This is the biggest cancer of the WoW community. Laziness. No nerf can save that.

[@TheAndersonTeam]

Be real, I don’t happy with the changes. That was a harder season with real goals and challenges. You need to play well to make a jump to better crests, you not overcome it with gear but with good play.

[@alansmith4395]

insufficient. There was legit no reason to have moved everything upward from last season. Just put the rewards back where they were and admit you went too far

[@Saul117]

Omg, get good

[@biffii5568]

most players are bad but they pay a sub and well money..

[@Kenjataimu888]

made WoW easy mode. actually trying to master the game is out the window.

[@elvisnygren2613]

probably just unsubbing, it's not like it was when it was good in dragonflight.

[@ryandegraw1192]

honestly, I like it harder. I'm 2700io and dont' mythic raid and at 625 item level. I just don't like it when bad players get a ton of gear and then end up in keys getting carried because others want to time keys instead of leaving. I get to the point where I'm trying to outrun the bad players in IO its hard to pug all the time. but 12's right now were being done already. I hope they don't change the way the vault works, mythic raiders and high end players deserve to have that. IDK, I just think a lot of people didn't learn the dungeons and mechanics. I was doing 8's first week at 595 item level. it's not hard stuff. just watch vids Like Tactyks, he does a great job showing you how to run keys

[@MikeyJ232]

Just know that you’re in the monitory and Blizzard can’t afford to cater their game to the fringe few sweats.

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

you care too much about gear others get 😂. do your 15s keys and dont bother for others. they want to have fun too.

[@sinnis4993]

@@ic3t3ap3ach entitlement much. since when do casuals deserve the same gear mythic raider and high io player have? fatally flawed logic here.

[@stinkypoodog]

I understand why they have challengers peril - to put emphasis on knowing mechanics instead of having all these old silly affixes like bolstering etc... but it just doesnt work in pug groups... just breeds toxicity and causes keys to get bricked early. As a pug tank, the amount of toxicity i see is huge... but there is some humor to it... its usually the worst person in the group that starts baby raging and leaves the key. Its unfortunate, but still pretty funny.