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@millionaaar23Ай бұрын
Is there a way to turn on live chat replay for those of us who can’t watch right now?
@billusher2265Ай бұрын
what top 4 books do they recommend anyone learning game read
@GameGlobalOfficialАй бұрын
@@millionaaar23 It was already enabled, maybe it wasn't showing when you clicked on because it just ended. Do you see it?
@millionaaar23Ай бұрын
@@GameGlobalOfficialI’ll check again tonight. Could be since I’m watching on phone. But nevertheless legendary guests!
@AndrewFreeman-tn1snАй бұрын
@@billusher2265 books that are good game books I’ve read. Mode one by Allan Roger Currie . Models by Mark Manson. The Setup by Dan Bilzerian and Rejection Proof by Jia Jiang. These should help you out.
@bubbahexlord2954Ай бұрын
Ross doesnt want to get interrumped, yet he is interrumpting mystery all the time
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
and he doesn't want to be mischaracterized, but mischaracterizes everyone all the time
@epa-c700723 күн бұрын
It's apparent that he's trying to out alpha him with attempts to assert dominance over the conversation.
@darrellwashington3564Ай бұрын
Mystery has got his swagger back. Wow!
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
I listened to JAL and my game completely suffered for it. the guy has sucked all the fun out of the game, and mystery brought it back with his performance approach. JAL just smashed out drunk, lies about literally everything, and his approaches are just quick flash in the pans that go no where and just scare everyone off
@lovedrop4563Ай бұрын
@@businesswalks8301 He's a miserable guy
@businesswalks830129 күн бұрын
@@lovedrop4563 you talking about how JAL is completely a loser?
@jimiboi8716 күн бұрын
@@businesswalks8301who’s JAL
@treasurewuji87402 күн бұрын
@@businesswalks8301plenty of juice
@christokoukoullis368120 күн бұрын
2 hours of Ross interrupting Eric but warning Eric not to interrupt him LOL
@SystemWillFail116 күн бұрын
😂
@inXsights13 күн бұрын
where did he interrupt him man, rather the other way around. He was respectfull all the way
@afterawakening072Ай бұрын
You guys along with Strauss started an entire movement and helped millions of men make a better life for themselves. In that round about way you can die saying you changed the world. Bravo and glad to see you two so many years after reading the Game.
@HenryChinaski2000Ай бұрын
Omg this debate has been due for decades, good job
@lovedrop4563Ай бұрын
Legends. The OG's were so much better, before all the scammers and grifters came in.
@GameGlobalOfficialАй бұрын
@@lovedrop4563 Loooooool, excellent comment.
@njtab5981Ай бұрын
Are you the legendary Chris Odom?
@billusher2265Ай бұрын
@@ScorpionSuerte add solid inner game to that
@Power_Uni26 күн бұрын
Disagree, seduction has improved a lot in the years. These guys are proposing approaches that may work, but are that not very natural and genuine -not for most guys anyways-
@njtab598126 күн бұрын
@@Power_Uni Can you recommend one of the "improved" systems?
@franchisefanatics6536Ай бұрын
THIS is what got me into the scene originally. Masters like this. It's not merely nostalgic, although it is. These guys WERE / ARE better than whats been out there, all the demon spawns that came from them. This felt great.
@PlayingWithFireChannelАй бұрын
Epic debate!! Big props to ice for setting this up
@wrappedinblack8937Ай бұрын
Are you going to do a breakdown of debate?
@GameGlobalOfficialАй бұрын
@@wrappedinblack8937 Good idea. Alex would have a very interesting perspective on this now that I think about it.
@thedieseldietАй бұрын
Dude john anthony lifestyle dropped a ross jeffries fraud video! @wrappedinblack8937
@thedieseldietАй бұрын
@@wrappedinblack8937 I thought he was cool with Ross!
@DivineLogos24 күн бұрын
Get Ross and Mystery on the speed dates.
@njtab5981Ай бұрын
We have something here, using Mysteries structure and Ross Jeffries patterns wherever possible can speed things up.
@90daystophoenix25Ай бұрын
This is the way
@deadlylion_dz706317 күн бұрын
U can't merge both ways, because each of them has a different mentality, the mystery method doesn't recommend speed seduction while the other does
@dominicnocera9039Ай бұрын
Having a debate of whether speed seduction is better than Mystery Method is like having a debate as to whether quantum mechanics is better than general relativity. now a unified theory, that would be something.
@DEADLY-LURES-AUАй бұрын
Disagree. There's a time and a place for both methods. This talk highlights the limitations of both strategies
@MaxEdge-pf3ppАй бұрын
Conflict is polarizing; pick a side. No one respects a fence sitter.
@TC-yx1qtАй бұрын
All the guys that really know game know they both suck 😂 they're stuck in the dinosaur era
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
that is the worst analogy I ever heard in my life.
@jalhankaster28 күн бұрын
@@MaxEdge-pf3pp unless you're a hot chick and the fence is made of hard. Dicks.
@DivineLogos24 күн бұрын
The man who started PUA and the man who popularized it having a convo. Legendary stuff.
@billusher2265Ай бұрын
Ross didn’t understand value. Yes in a moral sense everyone has value, but that doesn’t mean Ross would be equally interested in a supermodel and a female sumo wrestler, it’s about what is valued by the ingrained attraction mechanism.
@MatlockizationАй бұрын
I would have to agree, although it's nice to learn something that is the opposite, as it may appeal to different folks.
@YiggyHSKАй бұрын
both men are amazing. I think the main takeaway from this is that Mystery's methods work better for certain environments and situations, and Ross's SS works better in other scenarios. And sometimes you can combine both methods. Ross is a good guy but he came off as sightly nasty and arrogant, and Mystery came off as cordial, sweet, and gentlemanly. Either way, both guys are still A+
@mello75027 күн бұрын
i’ve always thought mystery was for extroverts and ross for introverts. but i agree, both are amazing
@randallfavors561521 күн бұрын
lol Ross has always been provocative, he likes to poke the bear and not scared of the repercussions. I find myself like that at times. It’s just being direct without the fluff. But the fluff is sometimes what sells better.
@criticalbill2090Ай бұрын
They should make another season of The Pickup Artist. But split the competitors into two teams and have these two as opposing coaches
@scott1357901Ай бұрын
I don't think it matters. Doing pickup is all about picking up, so if one pickup artist can make someone better with girls becasue of what he teaches and he does it faster, that is all we have to measure. I think ross is more about therapy then picking up girls, but I still think he would want to show that he is better at pickup then Mystery.@@ScorpionSuerte
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
ross is about therapy. which means he has to convince you that you are traumatized, you have to accept that belief, and then the therapy is a hallucination that cements the whole thing.
@AM-jx3zfКүн бұрын
ohh hell yeah dude.
@AM-jx3zfКүн бұрын
and bring in tyler and julien too. they will probably destroy these two at this point. rsd natural game is just soo powerful
@businesswalks830122 сағат бұрын
@@AM-jx3zf lol nah
@MatlockizationАй бұрын
I have the greatest respect towards these esteemed gentleman appearing here and to those who are no longer with us.
@tbcgbvcbАй бұрын
Holy shit! What a time to be alive.
@dareactthinkАй бұрын
ross jeffries says its not a performance art. and then does a performance of one his scetches with full pauses and body motions
@hiandrewfisherАй бұрын
Fair critique, but I think the difference is art vs science. In a way it's even more performative, but less procedural. He probably should have said it's not a clinical procedure.
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
@@hiandrewfisher which part of speaking to a woman to get her phone number to have sex with her later is a science?
@TheSilkMethodАй бұрын
What a debate and discussion. Congratulations; Game Global to have pull this off
@TC-yx1qtАй бұрын
John Anthony is losing his mind 🤣🤣🤣
@GameGlobalOfficialАй бұрын
@@TC-yx1qt He's probably working overtime trying to think of some new lies to spew about us to cover up how jealous he is or how his business is losing money (His words). drive.google.com/file/d/1p8GuquAaO85Yd0Gulyy_FgUtumdEx9OT/view?usp=drive_link
@DivineLogos24 күн бұрын
John Anthony says all PUA's and dating coaches on youtube, which are 100s, are bad except himself. Even if he deems someone as good on the rare occasion it takes a short time before he makes a negative hit piece about them too.
@harishsingh12324 күн бұрын
John Anthony is just like Papa, worst guy in the industry. Fake and full of shit😂
@harishsingh12324 күн бұрын
@@GameGlobalOfficialHe is a crybaby😂😂😂
@ralphacero2785Ай бұрын
An amateur hopes to find a woman of beauty all by herself so he can approach her while a master pick up artist can successfully open and charm sets/groups.
@ralphacero2785Ай бұрын
Ross seems too invested in finding flaws in Mystery's game at all costs which is fine because it allows Mystery to further explain and solidify the reasoning behind his method.
@user-zu1cf4we5sАй бұрын
They were both doing it Ross was just less subtle. Still essentially saying the same thing
@StephenDruesedowАй бұрын
That's something I noticed too. I thought it was a little gem when Mystery told the story about Neil who said, Why are trying to do all this, Just pick up the girl and Mystery said, but no, I've got to understand the sequence. And while I have to say that women and relationships are about as non-linear as it gets and the Mystery Method is sort of trying to find a linear and logical explanation, I still give Mystery kudos for his mind and thinking.
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
ross was all over the place. he's a therapist, he can fuck a girl in 3 min but then it takes him a month. ross is big time liar. on PWF and JAL he stated 2 vastly different body counts. one was 80, another was over 300.
@DonJuanplagueisZeroАй бұрын
Tell Mystery, RSD Jeffy still waiting for his magician coat that Erik took LOL
@ultrafly100Ай бұрын
This is the first I’ve seen of this channel, and I’m subscribing as of now. Mystery and Ross Jeffries are titans in the world of seduction, and are two men who deserve a firm and uncompromising salute from any and every man under the age of 40. Kudos for putting this together!
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
under the age of 40? lol why didn't ross book come out in 89? what 10 year olds were reading that?
@doorswhofanАй бұрын
This came along at precisely the most apropos time for me -- I'm just now turning on to all of this material, literature and videos, at 55. And then these two masters do a very informative video together. So much of what Ross had to say about his students resonates with me. I'm relearning my entire (very limited) understanding of women, dating, and social dynamics very late in life after very few dating experiences and no real relationship history. I'm hoping all of this can help me turn things around 180 while I still have a few years left. God bless Ross and Erik. Please wish me bon chance. 🙂
@ultrafly100Ай бұрын
I was fortunate enough to encounter these men in my late teens - all men under the age of 40 owe these men an enormous debt.
@koengreen254028 күн бұрын
It works the best on a bit older girls like 30-35. I am 21 and started last year. What a crazy experiences I have gotten. Crazy stuff
@doorswhofan17 күн бұрын
@@koengreen2540 Those "girls" aren't older for me. 🙂 I'm sure my own experiences will be fairly interesting. Thanks, and God Bless.
@ysidrogalaviz13 күн бұрын
Thank you for setting this up
@franzhaas559725 күн бұрын
FUN FACT: I MET ROSS 3 TIMES.He was really cool, dude . One day, I would love to meet mystery he really helped me in ways you can't imagine.
@brianmeen2158Ай бұрын
Love that this happened.. Jeffries and Mystery are both brilliant men
@nikflix8331Ай бұрын
Is it me or does it look like Mystery is standing with a backpack on the whole time?
@pedrogorilla48326 күн бұрын
Peacocking bro 😁
@rippleforeskinxrp3584 күн бұрын
Fastest close ~100 seconds. 2set. Opener, 1 qualifier, kino, your place or mine. She drove us to her place. Then back to club hours later to meet back up w friends. Circa 2006. Both of yall rock! Those were the days....JUST HAVE FUN,thats why its called a GAME
@GameGlobalOfficial4 күн бұрын
Best comment I have seen in a while, and I see some real great comments.
@_Beetcoin_7 күн бұрын
Great debate between the two legends, Mister E and Jeff.
@craigreeves546529 күн бұрын
This debate is giving two uncles at the family reunion vibes lol
@josephpnjasme8189Ай бұрын
One thing about Roos he's very intellectual which is a DHV by itself. Women are attracted to man of great knowledge. He can express himself with appropriate words and manners, women love that. But Mystery to me define the game. The attitude to have towards a hot girl. Be interesting not interested, let her want you. She will,.... cause she's totally comfortable in your world, your presence. Convey preselection she'll want to be the one who's with you not the other girl(now you become the prize). Handle your needyness. Make her want you. Don't be too easy for her. It's a good feeling to get the woman that you want, wanting you. You are her own world, she wants nobody else but you. And know you make that happen, there's no better pride and confidence in yourself because of that.💥💥💫
@fabricio_santana22 күн бұрын
Very well said! I agree, Ross is the more intellectual of these two masters, and speed seduction is a style of pickup that requires more intelligence to be applied successfully. But mystery just defines the whole thing, he actually created the framework that is universal and unavoidable.
@PhillyCYOSportsАй бұрын
I feel like Mystery has turned back the clock this year
@mvphung00718 күн бұрын
Ross is a pioneer on how women respond but Mystery is more practical. And Ross, whether it's telling a story or not, in your own words, I think I heard you said once "I don't care what people say or think they want. I only care what they respond to."
@ralphacero2785Ай бұрын
Mystery often agrees with Ross because Ross's smaller frame of thought tends to fit just fine inside Mystery's. But Ross often disagrees with Mystery because his often rigid and narrow-minded view cannot easily accept a larger more flexible frame of thought.
@heartandmindovercome3214Ай бұрын
👍🔥
@brandonthinkАй бұрын
@@heartandmindovercome3214 Good observation. Power vs Force
@billusher2265Ай бұрын
It’s literally the opposite. Mystery is rigidly insisting everything is in his model but Ross is explaining there are things outside the model and he teaches various elements to remain flexible.
@BaronStVonАй бұрын
The collaboration was a great idea. Some eye opening points and wins/losses. Thanks for making it a reality 👍
@DustMan2704Ай бұрын
How does Mystery get all these chicks? He is 6′ 5″ (1.96 m) , Mystery solved.
@GameGlobalOfficialАй бұрын
@@DustMan2704 Yes. Because he is this specific height, vaginas just magically spawn right in front of him. Science, bro.
@DustMan2704Ай бұрын
@@GameGlobalOfficial Yes.
@DustMan2704Ай бұрын
@ModernMaleSolutions Well, Saying "I got lots of chicks despite talking stupid crap and dressing like a gay wizard, cuz im tall and handsome" doesnt really sell books. Virgin at 21 and painfully shy? Yeah and im sure all these OF models really care about me.. Its a sales-pitch, always has been.
@DustMan2704Ай бұрын
@ModernMaleSolutions Its a sales-pitch . always has been.
@randallfavors561521 күн бұрын
That’s a good point. Eric has a lot of advantage just in genetics., add some magic tricks and some peacocking and he’s pretty undeniably present, give him a few lines of swagger and he’s golden. Do the same to a 5’5 guy, he’s verbal presentation better be in point. I’d bet Strauss had to act twice as cool to equal Mystery’s presence level
@johnbenedict4229Ай бұрын
I'll admit, I've kind of eye-rolled a lot of the posts here about different debates, but joined this one because of the legendary status of the two participants. I was curious to see if there was, indeed, any debate at all. I've just finished my very first reading of the original 'The Mystery Method,' just to make sure any of my judgements were based on his actual words and not from third parties. And, although I've been well aware of Ross Jeffries' existence and his standing as the godfather of it all, I've never known much about Jeffries' techniques or strategies. Like much of life, our opinions on pickup will be largely based on what our underlying beliefs are. For example, debate rages in the public about whether abortion is right or wrong. People argue back and forth and never change one another's minds, and it's for a simple reason. The OPINION about abortion is based on an underlying BELIEF about something, in this case, about life. If a person believes that life begins at conception and the fetus is a living breathing human on par with all of the rest of us walking around the earth, then, of course, there will be a natural aversion to ending that life via an abortion. If a person sees the fetus as part of a woman's body, not really capable of meeting the minimum threshhold of being a life of it's own, well then, the person will almost assuredly support the idea that a woman has full agency over her own body and what to do with a fetus inside of her would fall under that agency, rendering the person, most likely, politically pro-choice on the matter. The debate is really not a debate about whether abortion is right or wrong, but moreso an exposition on what one believes about the beginning of life, etc. etc. [I don't give a damn what anyone thinks about abortion, and please don't make this post about that; it's simply a setup to make a point about the Mystery/Ross Jeffries debate.] To my great surprise, Ross and Mystery did actually go at one another and debate and have different viewpoints. But, in the same way that one's opinion on abortion most likely is derived from what they believe about an underlying topic, Jeffries' and Mystery's differences were borne of the same element - a difference of opinion about an underlying topic; two specifically came out in the debate. Mystery believes pickup starts in groups. Group theory IS game to Mystery. "Do not walk up to a girl who's all by herself," Neil Strauss quotes Mystery as saying in 'The Game.' "That is not...seduction. Women of beauty are rarely found alone." He reiterated the same idea multiple times in the debate as well. Mystery, at his core, believes women of beauty are rarely found alone. Of course, we know that one's world will follow what they believe, so, of course, Mystery's world has only ever reaffirmed this belief. As his life has gone along, I'm sure he's become nothing but emboldened in this belief due to his life experiences that seem to confirm it, seemingly over and over. Ross has a different belief and, as a result, different experiences. So, Mystery believes seduction starts in groups, inherently, and Ross believes beautiful women have to go to the grocery store, choose to go to yoga, and the like, and he encounters them there. Mystery encounters his targets out in "the field" which, for him, is synonymous with "bars and clubs." A debate ensued about whether beautiful women can be found alone or not. "Very very rarely," Mystery said. Well, what else would he say? "Oh, I see them alone aaaaaaaalllll the time," Jeffries said. What else would he say? They should've, instead, simply had a conversation about their underlying beliefs. The second main point of disagreement was, not surprisingly, around the concept of value. Mystery believes that our value, at least to women, is our Survival and Replication value. Ross holds that all humans have inherent value as a part of creation, not predicated on their ability to help one survive nor replicate. Of course, the "ideal" way to appeal to women would be different for a person that believed one of these premises compared to what a person who believed differently would find to be the ideal way to meet and attract women. It only stands to reason. The debate should've been, or it simply should've been pointed out that each was correct and had come to reasonable conclusions about what external methods were best based on their internal beliefs about what constitutes value. Of course you'd act differently if you believed women only valued Survival and Replication value than if you believed all men were inherently equally valuable and that women could appreciate and choose to bond with men based simply on their value as a human (the idea that, for whatever it's worth, I find myself much more closely aligned with). The more interesting discussion would've been around how humans SHOULD be valued or why each man thought that his concept of value was the more valid one. That would've revealed some interesting insight. Instead, the two debated on whether showing value and qualifying, etc. etc. was necessary or not. Of course, each was effective for the man practicing his own methods. Why? Because of his own beliefs. IF you believe and see the world the way Jeffries sees the world, you should grab his books, follow his methods, and give them a shot. They will probably work for you. If you believe and see the world the way Mystery sees the world, you should grab his books, follow his methods, and give them a shot. They will probably work for you.
@dylanb2086Ай бұрын
This is really brilliant.I have never seen such an insightful youtube comment before, really.
@johnbenedict4229Ай бұрын
@@dylanb2086 I agree. I have to say I think it stands alone as the most insightful comment in all iw KZbin history. I don't disagree with your assessment at all.
@ZeryuGamesАй бұрын
The best comment in a a KZbin video EVER!!!
@askmysteryАй бұрын
Great feedback man thanks.
@johnbenedict4229Ай бұрын
@@ZeryuGames agreed. 😉
@JustinMarcАй бұрын
Beautiful 🔥
@TheMicahwitz6 күн бұрын
I’ll put it like this: if I’m at a bar I’m more mystery. If I’m on a date I’m more Ross. 😂
@dntinpalevo14 күн бұрын
I agree with Ross and the nightclub scene. Personally, I have met more quality women during the day than in a night club. I find them less defensive during the day than out in clubs/bars, and according to the environment, you can strike some pretty good convo with them, and then get their details for a future meet-up. BUT for short-term relationships or one night stands, you need to be at a night club/bar.
@TheSilkMethod29 күн бұрын
Both had good points, I think Mystery is right about the learning process has to be very practical and tangible, otherwise its hard to get anywhere. With that said, men can’t stay in the ”training wheel” forever, they have to evolve and become the real authentic self. Which Ross is right about in dome areas, however he missing out on the learning structure to actually get things done practically. All in all, as a person who comes from the academic field of communication and behaviourism, both have a lot of wholes in their approach of attracting and dating women. -Mr Silk
@u2b83Күн бұрын
15:02 We should have a comedy/satire on DLVs, demonstrations of lower value, this would be so hilarious lol
@Book0fEliАй бұрын
The difference is that Ross actually knows how to teach you how to consciously raise your sexual energy and let the presence of this energy lead everything. You wouldn't need phases at all when everything naturally arises from your balls. There's a deep collective unconscious experience that it seems like some of Mystery's students are not aware of or even see the importance for. Some people are naturally aware of this, but like Ross was stressing, everybody would benefit off having that groundwork to become self-learning, having an applicable understanding of that NLP subconscious/unconscious aspect we all share. Mystery uses this of course yet doesn't seem to see the importance of it or teach it or reveal it.
@eatthebugs-ge9smАй бұрын
stepo 1 be good looking
@fadesola200228 күн бұрын
Very astute observation. Mystery has real issues with the supernatural
@user-je1hi6jy1i7 сағат бұрын
You get it my friend you are the only sane in this comment section, the people going in mystery direction will search for new method in 5-10 years and then they will realise what Ross is actually saying and then go for Ross and Get the transformation they always needed
@cryptosaiyan72672 күн бұрын
Ross...come on man. Mystery got proof of work. I have never failed using his algo's, along with Styles. It's like a poor person telling a billionaire how to make money. Mystery-sama is the man. A fucking legend.
@stringblazdarkrogueАй бұрын
Yoooo im def making time to watch this W GUEST
@cryptosaiyan72672 күн бұрын
There are only 3 people in this game...Mystery, Styles and Tyler...maybe even Lovedrop. But that's it.
@haikeaintiaani9183Ай бұрын
Best itroduction on podcast style program that ive heared before get guests feeling velcomed good job
@randallhall93484 күн бұрын
I read Mystery Method 20 years ago and have had all the sex with as many women as I could want. Rock solid principles. Ross is stuck in his own definitions and world. He would do well to take some notes from Mystery. Mystery’s principles work 1:1 and day game etc. really well. A LOT of things Ross is talking about are actually parts of Mystery’s teaching but different vocabulary.
@njtab5981Ай бұрын
Combine these two, and you have raw power!
@billusher2265Ай бұрын
host a debate with Karisma King and Alex Social, KK teaches rsd concepts such as open all, state management, hook point, isolation, but Alex Social rejects them despite being formerly in RSD. I really want to see them hash out their reasonings.
@Z-ns8ln25 күн бұрын
this ross Jeffries looking to have a full on barking match 😂
@mrfaux7222 күн бұрын
Mystery,classy as always, kudos .
@ralphacero2785Ай бұрын
Ross is also a genious in his own way.
@StephenDruesedowАй бұрын
I didn't learn a lot about his method, but I did find his recommendation to Meditate insteresting. I don't know that must about NLP and I'm surprised if it works. I am interested in Ross though.
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
is he though? he just rebranded NLP for getting laid. also, he seems spiteful and constantly stopping others from doing to him what he does to them
@fabricio_santana22 күн бұрын
You are doing God's work, Ice! Thank you for your dedication and passion!
@StephenDruesedowАй бұрын
Listned to this full interview a couple days ago. Big fan of Mystery, and would like to know more about Ross Jeffries. To me, the differences started to show between the two when it became clear that Ross didn't like club atmosphere's and Mystery did. This is a major distinction between the two of them. I can remember recently Mystery poo pooing picking girls up off the street instead of a high end clubs and I realized from this interview that was actually kind of of an issue with Mystery, especially when Ross was pointing out that he's trying to help the guy from Podunk Idaho and not just the rich guys living in HollyWood and I give hom major points for that. I give Mystery points for trying more often to find common grrund instead of trying to appear better. Mystery essentially ended the debate saying, why not learn Both styles? And I have to agree. There's value to both approaches and I think they're both worth learning.
@rares0128Ай бұрын
Conclusion: If you live or want to live a hollywoodesk life in a big city, then go with mystery. If you are a guy who just wants to learn how to seduce a pretty woman no matter the environment (which is 99% of guys), then Ross's approach is infinitely more helpful. The true measure of a teacher is his ability to teach self-reliance. You ain't getting that in 3 days hanging around mystery and his over the top entourage. Ross points this out several times and mystery's response is that he screens out individuals he believes will disrupt the group - interpret that as you will. I'm not denying mystery's methods work if you happen to attend his bootcamp, but they work in a specific environment ruled by specific social norms - clubs and parties. What happens when you're all by yourself at the grocery store and you see a cute girl? You're gonna conjure up two hot girls around you in order to raise your perceived value? This is where actual game comes into play instead of these cheap easy fixes that you "learn" in 3 days. Nobody learns anything worth learning in only 3 days. You think you're gonna evolve to become a social and seductive man in 3 days? Let's be real for a second here. What mystery sells is a hedonistic experience in one of the most notorious nightlife cities on the planet - be it New York, Toronto, LA, etc. You're gonna get your money's worth for sure, but don't expect much once you go back to your ordinary life - assuming he even accepts ordinary people into his bootcamp. Again, Ross points this out several times. Draw your own conclusions. What I believe is that one guy speaks to 99% of men, while the other is promoting a Hangover fantasy for three days.
@soundfloАй бұрын
Good job Ice more of these high value guests, its clear both realised some holes in their game or 'sticking points' and hence saw the opportunity to collaborate at the end without downplaying their own methods. Bring on Gunswitch and owen/ tyler or whomever adds value
@carclavel212 күн бұрын
Yes, yes, me too anxious to see Gunwitch in this channel 🤩
@TheEdge3003Ай бұрын
I didn’t see all of it, as I was watching the Euros football final at the same time lol. But something I thought was fascinating, although their methods are different, the commonality they both shared, was that, they both use their immense intelligence, communication and language skills to stimulate girls. Ross calls it SS and uses NLP, Erik calls it A1-A3 or the attraction phase (negging, ioi/iod etc). But essentially, the use of words and communication was the key and there was more of a crossover there, than they both realised. Something I also thought was interesting, Owen C who was students of both of them in the Project Hollywood days and along with the other RSD/SMC coaches has surpassed both of them! Because he tried and incorporated both of what they said, whilst doing a shed load of his own research and study. As I found myself agreeing with bits of what both Ross and Erik said, but that’s only because I’ve watched quite a few RSD digital programmes and been to their free tours, summits etc.
@sonbarker8745Ай бұрын
Self point game strong !! You genius Ross Jeffries!!!😂
@DavidSmith-ef4eh4 күн бұрын
Cool stuff. Except, if you are a high value male, you don't need all of that. You'll be confident by default, without pretending or double speak.
@belya222426 күн бұрын
Ross is very tryhard. Impolite, interrupts, force controls the convo, aggressively self promotes, provides mostly anecdotes...a lot of mumbo. But Mystery figured it out long time ago. He gives you the tools to get immediate results and understand the game, then you build on that realization and confidence boost, and you could develop yourself into a demigod throughout the years. He's very underrated due to stigma but he's the godfather of live psychology.
@NinoSutton3 күн бұрын
This is just wow…. It’s like pick up and game grad school.
@user-ln1co1sq3gАй бұрын
bro i remember mystery on vh1 in like 02 his show pick up artists lol
@harishsingh123Ай бұрын
Legendary ❤ Thanks to the internet for making it possible
@paulfitness515714 күн бұрын
If there is a language barrier Ross's techniques would be very hard to implement .Mystery method does work even without the magic in a basic way . I use Ftc ,neg,qualify ,dhv ,comfort ,close
@AndrewFreeman-tn1snАй бұрын
Mr. Ice you’ve out done yourself once again. You always seem to have the best on your channel. Wonder if you know who will make a video about this.
@brandonthinkАй бұрын
This is LEGENDARY!
@Kronoz2104Ай бұрын
good debate, we need one of Neil Strauss VS these masters pickup artists, it would be something legendary
@AndresDX1Ай бұрын
He gave up game, no longer part of what he does
@askmysteryАй бұрын
@@AndresDX1You talk about Neil like he “ain’t got guns … what do you think he sold em all?”
@EnglishEloquenceMoscow11 күн бұрын
Nothing Ross likes more than the sound of his own voice.
@carterstechnology8105Ай бұрын
I would have given a left ball to be in on this conversation. 18 years in New Orleans, French Quarter(2 yrs. street musician, 4 yrs. male stripper, 12 years strip club DJ) studying the human condition i have my own technics based on the fact that women are escape artist and men are adventure seekers and I see everything both Jeffries and Mystery do that I do and did through out the years. but I think I could host a debate like this in a structured way to compare both Jefferies method and Mystery's method side by side apples to apples. Now that being said they're methods are very different but has similarities to compare that both methods can be combined can complement each other. both of these guys are great
@ubeezy_538Ай бұрын
Mystery is a Genius but this exposure to Ross with video evidence shows Mystery is not the most empathetic guide and doesn’t seem to understand that not everything needs to be done while in a club or a party situation. Most guys just want to be able to approach a “girl next door” type of girl. Most guys are starting from Zero and it’s much more beneficial to be able to talk to the cute girl at the counter or the cute girl at the library, bus stop, university/school, work, etc. Plus those women are probably the better candidates anyways. Also women will probably find it more romantic and magical if you met in her every day life where she least expects it. The less scripted and more organic the approach the better. (Also Mystery kept cutting Ross off, missing the point, being a contrarian, smart and doesn’t understand NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE IN THE CLUBS! 😂)
@askmysteryАй бұрын
Good feedback, thanks.
@JustGotALifeАй бұрын
and yet finding a girl all by herself is like finding a needle in a haystack especially for a newbie who is practicisng. Even if you look at exposure therapy. the more you're expose to a certain situation the easier it gets to overcome the anxiety, gain the confidence and become more competent. There has been countless times when i go for daygame to approach single girls and all i could find is one or two of them in an hour. It can be a waste of time. So i don't think it's a bad idea to go in a public gathering and meet lots of women in a span of time and get better at game, that would help you densitize yourself so when you end up finding a cute girl at a counter, it's easier for you to approach.
@Wobbothe3rdАй бұрын
Keyboard Jockey comment.
@mikek6088Ай бұрын
I grew up studying every pua under the sun and it was always attraction guys focus on deep inner game, david D'Angelo, wayne elise, etc, and guys who want to get laid, mystery etc. What I found is that sure the mystery method will get you laid HOWEVER, you are gonna be a social robot. It took me a while to learn how to be social after all the canned responses i needed to learn. Only when i stumbled on NLP and some things from thr Art of Charm, did I really start to understand how language works. What Ross is offering (to a degree) is whats called the law of requisite variety. Take two models. NLP in general does not fit into every model (MM etc), but every model fits into NLP. NLP allows one to become a more flexible thinker in general (many paths to the same destination) whereas Mystery Method, you MUST follow the steps specifically (or sequentially) to achieve the outcome. Mystery developed an effective model, that is limited to being effective ONLY as well as you follow the steps. I believe both have good intentions, the skills i continue to learn stem from NLP, in which I feel Mystery could benefit from for himself and his system greatly. Ive learned a lot from both. Theres no finish line w this stuff guys :) its good to zoom out once in a while.
@MegaasAlexandros17 күн бұрын
I feel Ross as much as i love him is insecure, he seemed to get defensive and attack comments that differed from his. Still admire both these men in what was a great chat. I feel the Eric handled himself extremely well and has magnificent communication skills which definitely assisted him in his interactions.
@zoolmanv547710 күн бұрын
Another isolation tactic, mainly from the David Deangelo school of thought which relies heavily on body language, is to wait for the girl to isolate herself for you. Requires a lot of Non-verbal game but can be very powerful.
@ralphacero2785Ай бұрын
If Ross avoids bars and night clubs as he says, then he is not even qualified to approve or disapprove of them for the purpose of practicing pick up. WTF LOL
@ppumpkin3282Ай бұрын
He avoids them because they don't work for his routines. Also his routines are more effective without alcohol. Most bars have a lot of noise and distractions, better to pick a girl up in your daily routines, also cheaper.
@Wobbothe3rdАй бұрын
@ppumpkin3282 plenty of people pick up in bars and clubs without alcohol. Most hot girls hardly drink.
@Gohan9112Ай бұрын
@@ppumpkin3282 also high end venues have tons of volume. You can't find an environment that's packed with hot girls between 20-30 outside of nightlife establishments.
@randallfavors561521 күн бұрын
@@ppumpkin3282and more practical. The average man , and his clientele of 40s-50s don’t have time to waste in a club. I work 40-70hrs a week, We see hotties in our daily routines of shopping groceries and getting gas, or Home Depot, lol
@nathanbutcher7720Ай бұрын
would have loved to have seen Alan Roger Currie in this debate... if he were still alive
@harishsingh12324 күн бұрын
Eric is using shields and swords and paul is using magic, that's the difference
@QIII-vw4to23 күн бұрын
Can you elaborate. I don't understand
@sureshgowda3818Ай бұрын
This video made my day ❤❤❤
@mrfaux7222 күн бұрын
I've try both techniques and the Mystery methods by far has been more successful for me. speed seduction is more complex, however, it has its place.
@mont-v7n25 күн бұрын
First of all both of them the best teachers by far -- for my opinion at least - so thanks for that from buttom of my heart for all the years hearing them 🙏💛 Questions To ross : When u staying at a bad country to do pua ( stuck for at least 2 monthes - medical reasons) r u still recommend to go outside and do sets ? is it nececarry for his opinion to work daily on the mindset ( inc. Mindfulnase Meditation ) Is it true girls that look 6 or 7 harder than 9 or 10 ? Is he think they built differently from medium looking girls ? To mistery : In a non high quality invirement - if still wants to aproach : how to overcomes it ( besides storys ,self braggings exc that we alreafy using at ruf top padio ) whats the exfactors i can add to non high qualiity areas ? Besides helsinky barcelona amsterdam and ukraein where he recommend for a good european fields to do pua ? Thanks ! ❤❤❤ eddie.
@sundb1992Ай бұрын
Love both of the guys! These are the OGs of the Pick Up community. Both have very different styles. I would like to be a master of both methods like Jeet Kune Do
@khurramkhalifa145425 күн бұрын
Mystery is still the GOAT
@joeconcertshd3451Ай бұрын
I remember Mystery said he wanted to emulate Zan Perrion, someone who doesn’t go by any of these techniques so to say. It does seem possible Eric and Ross may still be stuck in their current paradigms.
@mojoejojo6675Күн бұрын
20 minutes in and I'm agreeing with Ross. It's not an excuse.. I hate parties and clubs. He'll I even dislike music. Being 40 in a club where I'm from makes you look silly.
@mmnotes954 күн бұрын
Two Legends
@preciseaudioblogАй бұрын
35:10 laugh = release tension
@upperech3lonАй бұрын
Ross’s entire body of work fits into the gambit section of the Mystery Method. Mystery structures this for the male brain to practically apply, Ross is all over the place. it’s easy to see how this fits together and not make it one or the other. I will say having the structure Mystery provides is much more comprehensively prolific to use vs. anything else.
@upperech3lonАй бұрын
@@SuperiorityQomplex I never go to clubs actually. only the environments ross was describing and have pleasing results. I like the psyche of what Ross says and the hypnosis aspects of it, but it still is an aspect that fits in MM.
@SuperiorityQomplexАй бұрын
@@upperech3lon ya I do hypnosis/nlp as part of my job anyway, so it's a no brainer for me. But if you don't know what you're doing, MM gives a lot of structure that helps guys learn. Ross' stuff doesn't have the structure, but it's far more useful if you master it. You can trigger emotions at will. Do t need to ask 'Who lies more, men or women?' which comes off less natural as you go. Both work, but I like ross' stuff better.
@sonbarker8745Ай бұрын
There’s a structure of emotions that you have to evoke in order for you to make it more natural to the point they want to jump on you! How fast you do this is up to you!!
@SuperiorityQomplexАй бұрын
@@sonbarker8745 I don't think you need any strict structure to trigger emotion. Hell, when I was in grade 8, I picked up a girl by having my puppy with me when I met her. 'oh the cute puppy!' Bam! Emotions triggered! 😉 I mean even the classic, 'oh I really like your X' and then keep walking like it wasn't a pickup attempt, will often have her chasing you..
@sonbarker8745Ай бұрын
@@SuperiorityQomplex I didn’t say strict. But it is useful to have one . I admit sometimes one thing can trigger all of em together like in your case!
@starfox30021 күн бұрын
It is definitely true that you can get a girl in like 5 minutes, Julien Blanc was the best at this, to this day imo
@Turno-mb2xz26 күн бұрын
Great content
@Mr_Boifriend12 күн бұрын
this is my Chomsky v. Foucault
@kamarilanier8975Ай бұрын
This is a long over due debate but it’s like comparing apples to oranges
@preciseaudioblogАй бұрын
Fantastic!
@Xcrypt1991Ай бұрын
interesting, the only person missing is owen (and maybe todd).
@businesswalks8301Ай бұрын
todd? not neil strauss? not david deangelo? but todd? lol no thanks. and all these guys pale in comparison to Hugh Hefner and porn stars
@OptimizingForwardАй бұрын
The reality as someone who's done PUA is it's good to have basic PUA skills but it's not necessary beyond that, stat maxing +interesting lifestyle > PUA. They might be MPUA's but did they cultivate their maximal potential? The answer is no.
@billusher2265Ай бұрын
Ross was a bit dismissive when Mystery suggested compartmentalizing emotional issues to game, a lot of modern psychology actually agrees with him and recommends just ignoring the negative thoughts and taking action to feel better, PUA unknowingly taught a lot of similarities to CBT
@Filmmaker593Ай бұрын
Bring Derek Cajun, please!
@GameGlobalOfficialАй бұрын
Sent him a message a while ago because I realized he was local to me. He doesn't check his messages.
@preciseaudioblogАй бұрын
Cajun! I love his style! He’s super fast! Would be amazing to see him! 👍
@edbosch7472Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@GaetanAsselberghsАй бұрын
This an epic video with 2 profound views on the matter. Mystery: Reality is like survival in a tribal world. Understanding that and acting upon it will not only getting you laid but will make you a valuable member of humanity. Ross: Women respond to how they emotionaly perceive you. And women not only have emotions (like men) but women tend to have emotions about emotions. This last insight is huge! Thank you legends for sharing your wisdom. You should team-up. God bless you.
@preciseaudioblogАй бұрын
1:38:45 Ok Ross has a point there... maybe is not arousal what the teller is causing on the woman, but a deep relaxing feeling and emotional traveling... she might even not listen to the words, but the way the words are being said...