It’s tough to get things absolutely perfect each and every time, but I think you done well. Thanks!
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@billmoody97362 жыл бұрын
Good to see you having some content again - thanks
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
You bet
@michaelb.42112 Жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, wow that was a great display of unbiased tests that I would never have thought of doing. The stationary position of the sling shot was a brilliant idea and now I will shoot TTF. I'm a NEWBIE and honing my own style. Sling shots are fun and I look forward to getting deeper into the rabbit hole.
@marctull3596 Жыл бұрын
If you are having difficulty grouping your shots, all you need is a TAC Hammer, a front end loader, a vise, a clamp and a machine screw.
@jebjeb77702 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison! I've been a TTF shooter for decades! Thankyou for the experiment!
@davidgrove4812 жыл бұрын
Bill, So much appreciate your enthusiasm in shooting, building and teaching!!! Been going back and watching many of your earlier videos and learn something every time 😎 I'm slowly converting to TTF, and just for me, it has been a much more consistent method of getting on the target. Probably helps that I use your Taurus Pro when shooting this style ;) Best ergonomic frames on the market in my opinion and I own and love many from other makers 😁 Thanks for all you do for the sport!!!
@mrmaldoon83622 жыл бұрын
No one better to learn from. Dude basically wins every east coast slingshot tournament he enters.
@GripFreak Жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, Joe Musselwhite here. Thrilled to see you at it again. You had a very positive impact on my shooting in the past and I thank you for this. I still have every custom SS you made me. Have a MERRY Christmas!
@ClaudioPagan2 жыл бұрын
Great to see you posting a video!
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
And thanks to you Man!
@Smallathe2 жыл бұрын
A most interesting demonstration!!! Thank you!
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@JEEROFUKU2 жыл бұрын
It’s really good to see your new video, sir! I wish you Happy Fourth🍻
@thomasmartin74942 жыл бұрын
Good video Just received one of your Taurus models and love it! Ordered more bands and accessories last night. I’ll be ordering a custom scorpion or Taurus soon
@slang-d-west Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I wish we could see the bands release in slow-motion close-up. Theoretically, the linear force and travel going forward shouldn't deviate between the two setups.
@DasIstDochMalEinName2 жыл бұрын
Well, it might make a difference if one uses a pouch that is tied to the bands for TTF-style in an OTT-setup. (Since you used the same bandset for both tests, the pouch must be attached in a way that favors one of the styles...) I used bandsets on my TTF-frames that were tied for OTT - and that worked quite well. I'm not sure if it works the same the other way round. (TTF is in my opinion a more "forgiving" shooting style.) But even if the bandset used was not made for OTT, I'd be skeptical if that's the main reason for a larger grouping. BTW: I prefer to shoot TTF, simply because I feel to have more consistency that way. The path how the elastics travel is far more controllable and predictable for me than in OTT.
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
In the past I've tried the bandsets with OTT tied and TTF tied for each style and even switched them to the other style as an alternate scenario... TTF still won. It's like I've said before, we're all flawed shooters to some degree, TTF is just a little more forgiving. Though, I've had days when shooting either style when it seems like I just couldn't miss.
@DasIstDochMalEinName2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterBillHays Ok, that's interesting to hear, since I never tried OTT with a TTF-Bandset. (I don't think I will - as mentioned before, I'm not very fond of OTT-shooting.)
@actualsurfer Жыл бұрын
OTT certainly has asymmetric directional forces upon band release compared to TTF. These forces are at right angles to the target and possibly explain the "width" of the grouping. Could the sharp edge on most slingshots add to this factor? Could breaking the band over a larger radius change the results? I would love to see a slow motion of the release of each style.
@dionisiojulaton41282 жыл бұрын
Nice to see u again making videos, your channel is the best
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@dionisiojulaton41282 жыл бұрын
@@MasterBillHays you inspired me so much in shooting a slingshot, every time I shoot I always think all the things you taught , I wish to be liked you,. Simple and Humble and the Grand Master of Slingshot, God bless you always and your family. I'm Your No. 1 fan here in the Philippines.
@sniperone65282 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Please test the tube band slingshot, too.
@JuanfFigueroa Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very informative video.
@k.o.skeeponshooting2352 жыл бұрын
Fair test, I shoot and love both and TTF has always been slightly more accurate for me too. Fantastic video, great to see new content from the person I learned my shooting fundamentals from.
@jameswestcatapultshooter25712 жыл бұрын
Great video Mr Hayes i found that very interesting 👍🏼
@SPINNINGMYWHEELS7772 жыл бұрын
interesting results.. correlates with what I feel when I've shot both.
@dionisiojulaton41282 жыл бұрын
I liked your adjustable Taurus. Slingshot you used in the Tournament , really awesome I wish you have it on sale in your website.
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Working on it!
@dionisiojulaton41282 жыл бұрын
@@MasterBillHaysNICE 👍👍👍 THANK YOU MY IDOL , THE best Slingshot Master
@marcelhallare31272 жыл бұрын
Bench shooting with a slingshot 👌
@MrWoodsNWaters2 жыл бұрын
Great content! I think it was a fair test. I'm currently only ott and pretty accurate but this makes me curious to try out some TTF. Thanks for the video Bill!
@mrmaldoon83622 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat. I'm worried about hand hits but want to try TTF now.
@MrWoodsNWaters2 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't get any hand hits if you have already got pretty good with ott! You got this go for it!
@threestarsandasling2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think I could do it, but i now cut cards with ease using the Scorpion. I posted a few videos if you'd care to look. Thanks for being such an inspiration Bill! (and thanks for signing/ engraving my side shooter).
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
And thanks to you Man!
@mobilitylink872 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I'll have to give TTF a solid try after seeing this.
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Shoot what you feel most comfortable with... the deviation, the difference is only evident when shooting with extreme precision.
@dionisiojulaton41282 жыл бұрын
Hello Bill I wish you have a video using your new custom adjustable Taurus TTF Slingshot, a shooting practice love it so much.
@thomasmitchell56442 жыл бұрын
Interesting results. I started off shooting TTF, but I found it harder to aim on a small scale than OTT. It’s like finding the center of the bands on TTF was somewhat of a guessing game. Guess it’s not for you! Lol. Great shooting as always, Bill.
@orthodoxoutdoorsman94772 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff, keep em coming Bill. 👍
@stevevess84642 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the video. My experience is that I shoot better OTT. I have both TTF AND OTT, in your frames and others and can shoot both pretty darn well. I shoot every day for over a year. I just have less issues with OTT. Frame strikes, Aiming. Especially hold over visibility. So I think that shooter comfort and confidence also plays perhaps even more importance to me in over all accuracy and shooting pleasure. This is not a criticism of the great work you do just my personal observation. PS I have 5 of your TTF Taurus, and the OTT as well. I love them. Thanks.
@eugeneg3106 Жыл бұрын
Well, I'm guessing that the TTF approach is more natural for a rubber band when the band is released (just like the limbs of a bow move evenly and straight away from the shooter when arrow is fired). Whereas in OTT there is a slight twist of the band which makes subtle changes in tension. Since the shooting action itself is human and not robotic, and there are very subtle differences in how each element is performed per every shot (even for slingshot aces), the TTF looks a bit more forgiving than OTT in terms of consistency. However, in general, OTT is more beginner friendly in a technical sense. Thanks for the test!
@fnasum86582 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks!
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Thank you too!
@gee3883 Жыл бұрын
Cheers greetings from UK.
@garyrobinson3122 жыл бұрын
I have watched a lot of your videos over the years and have every respect for your experience, knowledge and talent. However - what you have observed in this test is that TTF is more accurate than OTT using this particular method.
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Noted
26 күн бұрын
El tipo de nudo usado en el pouch debe de ser distinto el pliegue de goma usando TTF o OTT.
@edmcgugan20792 жыл бұрын
Looked like a pretty fair test. Plus it sounds like this is not your first test. Thank you!
@ericmueller19872 жыл бұрын
It usually comes down to the nut behind the wheel, human factor. The better we are the better the result. Great testing of the two types!
@iwontbebeat71112 жыл бұрын
Thank You Bill ! You'll have a wonderful BBQs with your families !! 😂👍😉
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ashikrafi2902 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill..plz make video on target panic
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Good idea, I'll think about it
26 күн бұрын
Si quieres hacer una comparación justa, el tipo de pliegue en el cuero del Pouch debe de ser distinto. EN OTT se pliega la goma como un libro y luego se vuelvo de doblar, en TTF se pliega como en un tríptico la goma y se dobla en el agujero del trozo de cuero, no puedes usar el mismo tipo de agarre al pouch.
@chainsawsurgeon61082 жыл бұрын
It's sort of like OTT is pushing a ball with the tip of the pencil and TTF is pushing a ball with the side of the pencil across a table.
@mistercapnjoe2 жыл бұрын
I still put craters on the moon with my OPFS, Bill. The biggest one I named Mt. Darrell. Good to see ya, you old fart! Tell the missus I said hello. And thank God for Chris Ledoux! ~ Cap'n Joe
@genebrode36282 жыл бұрын
I bought a Pocket Predictor sometime ago and need new bands, do you sell them or can you tell me where to get some. Thank you
@mrmaldoon83622 жыл бұрын
This is great thank you.
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@mrmaldoon83622 жыл бұрын
@@MasterBillHays I'm worried about hand hits but I've shot OTT for 4 years and I think I'm ready for TTF. I appreciate you Bill.
@lojfyg-plyzm2 жыл бұрын
I have a question, I'm more accurate with ttf than ott but I shooting with jaw anchor point. Do long distance shooting with ttf slingshot when have to use butterfly style is still more accurate than ott shooting with anchor point on the face and drawn point on this ott band?
@ZwillenBendiger2 ай бұрын
For those wondering why ttf is often more accurate than ott It’s due to the Magnus effect. With ott, the bands are usually tied to the pouch in such a way that, during shooting, the rubber comes into contact with the ball, giving it spin. This spin causes the ball to follow a curved trajectory. However, with ttf, the bands are typically arranged so that the ball does not come into contact with the rubber, preventing any spin. As a result, the ball flies as straight as possible. So, tff is only more accurate than ott because of the way people tie their ttf and ott band sets. However, you can also tie an ott band set in such a way that the ball does not touch the rubber, making it just as accurate as ttf
@luiznucci2 жыл бұрын
Hello, do you ship to Brazil? Your shopping site does not indicate this. I am from the city of São Paulo, if it is shipped, how can I track the order? I want to buy some models. Is it possible to buy different models in a single shipment? Thank you for your attention
@robinhellier74364 ай бұрын
I'm a tad confused. The first test was TTF and produced a wide grouping, and the second test was OTT which resulted in a tight group and greater accuracy. So how did it prove that TFF is better?
@coyoteslings Жыл бұрын
I'm sure you tried your best,but this has to many variables to declare which is more accurate. You would need no wind, a precise machine release and thousands of shots. But I thank you for trying its an interesting video.
@thcj35932 жыл бұрын
Greetings, question, was it the same rubber? Was it TTF tied? Would it make a difference if you use OTT, also a latex, tied for OTT? Even pre-twisted tied up so the ball has more room when it detaches from the latex? Greetings from Germany
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Whatever tie method used, it always works out the same.
@CatapultCarnage2 жыл бұрын
I think it was a fair test
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@lojfyg-plyzm2 жыл бұрын
So why do you use ott, maybe if you were shooting only with ttf from the begining you would be more accurate now. Maybe that's what it's all about
@khunnation2320 Жыл бұрын
TTF is the best and more powerful I thinks..👌
@lojfyg-plyzm Жыл бұрын
@@khunnation2320 I am a little more accurate with ttf from the begining but very long distance shooting is the most important for me and I thought ott is more accurate for the longest shooting
@SandorFule2 жыл бұрын
The slingshot is a simple mechanical device, has no "play" or "randomness" in it. It has no own "will" to shoot here or there. If the 2nd ball went to a different place than the 1st, then something else was different. The shooter, the ball, the wind...
@MrLoios-pz9sk2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video Bill I shot ott and my accuracy are bad no I switch on ttf when the master of slingshots says ttf is better than ott.
@northstar_8827 Жыл бұрын
Actually you are right. TTF is easy to shoot sharply hit the target compare to OTT.
@sf299810 ай бұрын
I love watching this kind of tests but i think one of the world champs uses OTT? 🤔
@guleleasytipshindi2 жыл бұрын
Your slingshot very nice…. Which brand slingshot….? Model name …?
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
The slingshot in the test was a Pocket Predator TAC Hammer.
@FinehomesofNewHampshire2 жыл бұрын
Thanks bub!
@josephlichtenberger72662 жыл бұрын
i ve realized im more consistently accurate with ttf
@DIXSON.777. Жыл бұрын
I am of the same opinion TTF is better and much more accurate. I myself use a ttf slingshot for many reasons, but I will not describe it, you will understand for yourself.
@thcj35932 жыл бұрын
gut gemacht Grüße aus Germany ;-)
@MasterBillHays2 жыл бұрын
Good on you, Thanks!
@незнайка-л6е Жыл бұрын
Здрасти. Расстояние ?
@miamagana7835 Жыл бұрын
i cant do TTF shooting because i seem to fork hit 80 percent of the time so F that im not goona shoot my hand again:(
@ObamaOnTren Жыл бұрын
Test if laser slingshots are accurate
@bustersbrain Жыл бұрын
I'm confused. It seems locking the frame solid on the OTT test may have introduced some innacuracy or inconsistency that isn't there on a flexible wrist. I'm watching videos of people hitting 9 out of 10 shots on a nickel at that range, but your results show that should be impossible. Maybe you need a hinge on the base of the frame?
@actualsurfer Жыл бұрын
Torque is R Sine Theta, R = radius, so he was applying more torque and thus movement to the frame all other things being equal.
@Jean-i8d8 ай бұрын
Ott is best for me Walmart clay ball are cheap
@thcj35932 жыл бұрын
If the connection of the latex to the pouch is not respected, the tape twists and the bullet has less room to detach... this can cause this scattering circle. To rule it out, and to work conscientiously, I would repeat the experiment with tuned bands. Once TTF Once OTT band and tied an OTT Pre Twistet greetings Auf Deutsch Wenn die Anbindung, des Latex, an der Pouch (Beutel) nicht beachtet wird, verdreht das Band, und die Kugel hat weniger Platz um sich zu lösen... das kann mit diesen Streukreis verursachen. Um es auszuschließen, und um Gewissenhaft zu arbeiten, würde ich, den Versuch mit Abgestimmten Bändern wiederholen.. Einmal TTF Einmal OTT Band und ein OTT Pre Twistet angebunden Grüß
@gazwit1603 Жыл бұрын
I won uk slingshot championship 2012 10meters .3rd place 20 meters 2013 won some archery comps. but cannot shoot short draw .shoot albatross witch is is strange. weird to think as archery is draw to the mouth I'm just strange
@actualsurfer Жыл бұрын
No way. OTT is #1!!!
@billknepp1965 Жыл бұрын
as fair as its going to get.. and that just made up my mind i dont ever need to shoot ott.. so i know which titan slingshot i might buy in the future... if i dont go with a gkj cast sling.. that would really solidify my fork tilting issues..
@TVCAVEMAN2132 жыл бұрын
Your test was as legitimate as possible. If you were testing HAND HELD , and the SHOT GROUPINGS were in the same places, You would move your hand holding the SLINGSHOT accordingly. In closing, It was an ACCURATE Test.