Masterclass in Not Backing up Claims

[@roccondil5]

>Claims he knows how the universe was created. >doesn't know the meaning of the word "how"

[@martin2289]

Debating with fantastically stupid people must surely be one of the most maddening things in the world. How you avoid completely losing it with them is beyond me.

[@Sjnez]

I died when he said "it doesnt have a soul"

[@Ploskkky]

The emptiness of theism is astounding. There is really nothing there, only pretence. Theists can't think.

[@jamierichardson7683]

Guilt and threats. They will never yield those

[@SteveLaw-UK]

Religion: The actual thing that was created out of nothing.

[@sampeeps3371]

"What flavour are alien testicles" 😂

[@walterbrooks2329]

apricot, don't ask me how I know

[@sinlatenightsins9657]

@@walterbrooks2329 seems legit.

[@hamzah5643]

i have it on good authority, that they taste like lime n pickle shrimp

[@planetpeterson2824]

Extra terresticals

[@Slum0vsky]

I must admit I assumed the caller was a Christian fundie hearing his arguments; when he was with the Quran I just LOLed, realizing how interchangeable they are.

[@kevinallen6955]

Yeah, same crappy picture with a different frame.

[@jamierichardson7683]

Fan fiction usually goes that way

[@johntrip07]

I love how in the first 3 minutes the theist when from telling P he doesn't know anything about how the Universe was created, to not knowing the differnce of what, why and how. Too dumb to know they're dumb.

[@Jaspertenpenny]

I’m so glad you have the patience for this Peterson, I would be banging my head on the walls. Keep up the good work.

[@kdthompson07]

Addressing the dominoes question. What if the wind knocked over the first dominoe? 🤔 A natural reflex of the universe, without out a supernatural humanoid.

[@FlemmingEgerup]

You can view the wind as the first domino then, where did the wind come from ? Just playing devil's advocate here, the first mover argument is moronic.

[@Farce13]

​@@FlemmingEgerupthat's not playing devil's advocate. That's the first step towards a reductio ad absurdum argument.

[@FlemmingEgerup]

@@Farce13 Fair point. Doesn't change the fact the first mover argument is stupid though :)

[@muveemanone2067]

"I can't agree with science because then, I will be disappointing all the people in my religious cult...don't wanna upset grandma so I'll remain ignorant to all the true scientific facts"

[@CeezGeez]

“also if my loving god exists he might burn me alive for not believing in him 😢”

[@ThorsDecree]

Dude didn't realize that "pushing the first domino" is a "first mover" argument?! It's *literally* exactly that 😂😂😂😂😂 wtf?!

[@martin2289]

He also didn't know what obtuse means, ironically enough.

[@ThorsDecree]

@@martin2289 that one was almost as bad as the pre-med student in the hour and a half entropy lesson who didn't know what "oscillate" or "homogeneous" meant, except I think pre-med dude was genuinely trying to understand but was just dumb. Actually maybe worse, what with the intellectual dishonesty.

[@sampeeps3371]

Where do you find these people? And how do you get them to call in?

[@sampeeps3371]

@@Matt13556 ahh I see

[@muveemanone2067]

"But you also have to believe what my religious cult brainwashed me to believe"

[@TheCzarsoham]

I think being more specific of the question of how would be "Let's say you're having eggs for breakfast. Who made them? Let's say your mom did. How did she do it? By boiling it. Similarly, if God created the universe, what was the process they used?"

[@CeezGeez]

explain it to me like im three

[@commentary2378]

​@CeezGeez how thing be make. When mother human make egg, how do egg get make. Mother do a cooking

[@capercaillieskye]

LOL we absolutely do have evidence that "you" means "you." If I go up to three people, point at one and say "You, come with me" and the two I didn't point at just stand there, then we know that "you" means "you" XD We (collectively) decide what words mean XD That was the dumbest comparison I've ever encountered XD

[@Virtualblueart]

People so easily forget that we define what words mean via using them. That's why words slowly get added meanings and lose older ones as they go out of fashion. Like terrific used to mean absolutely terrifying, started to mean terrifying but also exiting and now has wholly mutated to mean "that's really great!" and lost almost all of its older meaning. And because of the way it's also used sarcastically in movies and t.v. shows its main meaning might become "thanks, I hate it" in a few years.

[@dwightfitch3120]

@@VirtualblueartSame for pronunciation. My dictionary gives the first pronunciation of forte, meaning a personal strength, as tho there were no e. Most people who I’ve heard say it as 2 syabols (maybe because they confuse it with the musical term-and English spelling can be really weird). So soon the popular pronunciation will possibly become official, if it hasn’t already.

[@bfalconer]

Can't go wrong with being obtuse about being obtuse.

[@ZackBurnsOG]

10:32 Like salted Avocado. Don't ask me how i know.

[@zackgaming6137]

The question should be why is it a who and not a what

[@goranandersson3544]

"Voilà!" LOL

[@muveemanone2067]

😅 Geoffrey needs to make more cameo appearances or have his own channel 💯 🤘🏼

[@heiyuall]

Humans think emotionally. We each have to learn how to think logically.

[@BCam-m4w]

Its kind of sad that most of these end up containing 0.1% debate and 99.9% teaching them how a debate most fundamentally works

[@darzik]

You sure do attract the trolls 😆

[@aaronrandall1465]

And none of them are good at it either. Trolling.

[@nicholasbanton]

This poor dude couldn't tell you the difference between a claim, an analogy, a reference, an argument or evidence. It's all the same in his mind. I don't believe he's a troll or necessarily dishonest - beyond the ego preservation reflex that happens when the mind recognizes it trapped itself.

[@psychoticgod5035]

Spanky pushed the first domino, of course

[@johanahonen8627]

Wow just wow. I lose hope for humanity

[@lubrew5862]

The guest heard a script from their favorite apologist that they thought was a great gotcha. Then Peterson didn’t answer the questions with the answer that is on the script and the guest’s mind kept glitching. It was hilarious.

[@lubrew5862]

This guy had a script and really confused every time Peterson’s answers don’t match his script.

[@disgracetologic]

17:29 ... say what now?

[@aaronrandall1465]

Why does it have to be a matter of “who”?

[@CeezGeez]

cause his book says so

[@Moldylocks]

Best way to counter a first mover argument is in my opinion to flip it against them, 'who moved the mover?' aka 'who created the creator?'. Their source of everything is also a point of infinite regress at that point. It's interesting how these religious people think they are so smart but they can not think one step further and reach the conclusion we all have to reach regarding the subject, which is "I don't know how the universe was created, or how". No shame in not knowing. If you don't have any evidence to prove your claim, you know as little as me.

[@kaweckipiotr]

That was painful

[@philipphilippou8632]

Dude, theres an easy way to eplain all this to these guys. 1000 years ago people saw lightnings, and didnt know where they come from, so they thought, Thor must be bagging his hammer. Hundreds of years later we know why lightnings occur. same with this. we dont know who or what or how or why the universe started, so people think its a god who made it.

[@ThorsDecree]

These superstitious apes keep blaming me for lightning. They won't listen when I tell them it wasn't me 😂

[@philipphilippou8632]

@@ThorsDecree :D :D

[@Virtualblueart]

@@ThorsDecree But you still do thunder? I mean, it is in your job description. "Thor, god of thunder." Would be a shame if you gave it up.

[@ThorsDecree]

@@Virtualblueart Thunder? Yeah, though if you really must know it's mostly improvised explosives and 7.62x51. The folks that only hear it but don't see it start spreading all sorts of stories...

[@CeezGeez]

it’s been explained to them so many times they are not trying to learn

[@WilbertLek]

Stop wasting your time with high school drop outs.

[@ThorsDecree]

It's not a waste of time when a questioning theist comes across this and realizes that they need to completely reevaluate all their assumptions and straw men.

[@RushtyShpoon]

This guy didn’t attend school. He was born and grew up in a barn, on his own and was only left out to make this call

[@Detson404]

The professional theists don’t have better arguments, they’re just better at confusing the issue.

[@AllanSavolainen]

Oh I wish Peterson would have asked at the end that if something in the universe was tweaked a little bit, would more life exists, if so, then obviously our current universe isnt optimized for life as there could universes with more life, even just on earth. And on the humans not existing, if you change just about anything, even by adding an extra fart 1 million years ago, current humans wouldn't have born.

[@patricklindkvist4067]

Why did u use such complicated words for him? He didn’t even know the difference between “what” and “how”😂

[@johnmcnair8854]

I'm not sure why he didnt give abracadabra as an answer

[@Virtualblueart]

I've seen an infinite domino machine once, it was a clever construction, unlike this guys arguments.

[@joshboydtheactor]

I feel dumber for having listened to this.

[@takoja507]

I hate the question, what/who made the universe. It already shows the dishonestly of the questioner. No one had to push the domino, it could have been chance in pressure, trembles in atomic level, chance in temperature etc. there could be multiple answers that don't require a being to push that domino, same with the universe.

[@KoRntech]

So Toys R Us is a French company? 😅

[@obsleet]

This kid's not ready for this level of discourse yet. He's still trying to gotcha newbies.

[@baseplate_462]

i think his giraffe argument was spectacular if it wasn't so animated it would be easier to follow and less easy to avoid. For anyone who didn't get it, I'm pretty sure his argument is: logic is only based on the constants. If the the constants are unknown then you have no ability to prove it logically. For example the only reason we can logically deduce when a human jumps on earth, they will come down. Is because gravity on earth is a FACT and a CONSTANT. if you cant prove or observe the existence of gravity then you cant logically deduce what would happen when a human jumps. i feel like this argument is pretty good for saying there must be a designer because something cant come from nothing.

[@nio804]

And even then, if you want to get philosophical about it, we can only *assume* that gravity is a constant. We've observed its effect many times and it has never failed. Consequently, the evidence that gravity is a thing is quite strong, making the assumption justified.

[@NeroHeresy]

Goddamn is that child cringe.