Mastering Double Thirds: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 6 Guide "Double Thirds"

[@h.p.734]

This piece is far beyond my skill level, but it was still fun to watch. Camera angles were spot on too!

[@PianoTechSupport]

Thx for the feedback 😎

[@dancooper4443]

2415 is insane man. I'm gobsmacked. My thumb is not long enough to reach C# without position my fingers upwards pressing the uncomfortable zone of the keys.

[@henryhorst9858]

Can you do a video on forearm rotation? I can do it well in my left hand, but not my right that well. I don’t really know why this is (I am left handed), and it seems like such a simple concept that I am really struggling to do. Great video!

[@PianoTechSupport]

Thanks, that's a good idea!!:)

[@demon9166]

This piece is the answer I get when I ask "Whats the hardest piece of Chopin? " to Google.

[@PianoTechSupport]

Now ask ChatGPT 😎

[@ProdQuasar]

@@PianoTechSupport I asked and ChatGTP told me this... Which Is the hardest piece of Chopin? It's difficult to say definitively which piece by Chopin is the hardest, as the level of difficulty can vary depending on the individual performer's skill level and personal strengths and weaknesses. However, there are several pieces by Chopin that are generally considered to be among his most challenging works for pianists. One of the most difficult Chopin pieces is his "Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-flat minor, Op. 35," commonly known as the "Funeral March" sonata. This piece requires exceptional technical proficiency and musical sensitivity, as it features complex harmonies, intricate passagework, and dramatic contrasts between quiet and loud sections. Other difficult Chopin pieces include his "Etudes," which are a set of 27 technical studies designed to challenge pianists' dexterity and agility, as well as his "Ballades" and "Scherzos," which are virtuosic solo piano works that demand a high level of musicianship and interpretive skill. Additionally, his "Polonaise-Fantaisie in A-flat major, Op. 61" and his "Fantaisie in F minor, Op. 49" are also considered to be challenging pieces.

[@Admir5595]

I use 1-4 2-5. I can play it at tempo but only some times. I guess I’ll practise it at 30-40bpm for a while before I go to 60.

[@SwahaChris]

Thank you for this video. I have a question: if we choose 24 - 15 fingering, what fingering follows at the beginning of the fifth bar? If we start as it is written, it is 13, which cuts the legato with prevoous bar..

[@wielandhartwich3184]

Please listen to Kissin playing this etude.

[@sknab_nadia]

What sheet music edition do you recommend for Chopin etudes?

[@PianoTechSupport]

Paderewski / Henle / Ekier One of those three is going to suit you fine. For competitions : Paderewski or Ekier

[@ml4119]

I am intrigued by your suggestion to play the first bars 24-15. I watched another tutorial that also suggested this fingering. I've only been playing piano for three years, so this etude is obviously way beyond my level, but I just gave it a try (I am practicing thirds currently) and it feels like my thumb is in a very awkward position (kind of collapsed under the palm) and you also need to play higher up the keys it seems. When you mention 'pulling down sensation', do you mean moving your wrist more up and down (that's how it feels, anyway when I tried it out). I found 14 -25 more natural (more a rotating movement left-right), but I guess, for advanced/professional players 24-15 position seems to be the preferred option?

[@PianoTechSupport]

In my experience people can manage one of the following options the best: 13-25, 23-15 (what I do) and 24-15. In that case the thumb is indeed in a bit more awkward spot but, important to add is that the thumb should always he played "actively". So most of the times pianists, especially at lower levels, just place the thumb and press down, but the thumb should have its own movement and agility just like any other. BTW, I've uploaded a performance of this etude recently if you're interested, on my channel.

[@ml4119]

@@PianoTechSupport Thanks for that, and yes, as a late beginner my thumb is still very rigid. Will definitely watch the video.

[@SanAleksiusII]

I find op 10 no 2 harder. Although I haven't played this piece in full I still had an easier time learning it than op10 no 2. Also op 25 no 12 was more challenging to play without much pedal because at such a fast tempo wrong notes happen and they stick out a lot, so for me op 25 no 12 and op 10 no 1 are just a bit below op 25 no 6 in difficulty. Great video btw (:

[@PianoTechSupport]

Thanks for your input. I wasn't comparing the difficulty of anything in this video - it seems quite a lot of comments always fall back to that, but I wasn't comparing or showcasing the difficulty of this vs. that, etc. This is a guide focusing on technical aspects, tips tricks, interpretation, etc. of Chopin Op 25/6 and wasn't meant as a comparison video. Thanks for your comment still!

[@SanAleksiusII]

@@PianoTechSupport I know it wasn't, i'm grateful to you making the guide, but you said at the beginning that its hardest next to op 10 no 2 so I just wanted to share my opinion.

[@GoldenBiba]

25 12 is far easier than the other etudes you have mentioned

[@matthiasheymann]

24-15 is more natural to the hand's physique, I think. However, by playing this way one is missing out on the chance of teaching your hand the 14-25 (the etude's actual intent) and thus creating new pathways in the the brain, and therefore on improving one's overall technique outside of this specific piece. At least that's my opinion.

[@PianoTechSupport]

Interesting comment, however I dont know anyone who has a developed enough technique to play 25/6 and then also does not have the "pathways" to play thirds with 13 24 or 14 25. This kind of thirds appear already in Czerny and Hanon

[@masamune9082]

Did you watch traum's new video where he showed evidence that his technique is legit?

[@PianoTechSupport]

I don't watch his videos and please only video relevant comments thanks :)