Mastering Subtlety Rogue Spec | Patch 10.1 Revealed

Using Macros to Optimize Your Subtlety Rogue: • Using Macros to Optimi...
This guide is meant to cover all the basic aspects of playing the Subtlety Rogue specialization in Dragonflight patch 10.1. I cover the relevant abilities and their talents, cooldowns, raid tier bonus, talent builds and stat weights. Then will give an example of putting together everything learned in the video. I hope you enjoy!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:16 Basics of playing a rogue
0:53 Combo Point generators and talents
3:45 Finishers and talents
7:23 DPS Cooldowns
12:00 Group utility abilities
13:04 Poisons
14:15 Aberrus raid tier set bonus
15:09 Talent builds
18:02 Stat weights
19:40 Gameplay examples
22:28 AOE gameplay example
23:08 Review
Useful Macros:
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab
This will use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance and Backstab / Gloomblade outside of it.
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique
This will always use Cold Blood with Secret Technique if Cold Blood is up.
Twitter: @averagej_wow

[@thebestoftheleague4129]

I watched sooo many guides for rogue by far this is the best guid you will find on the internet not just KZbin 🤔 well done sir well done Top notch guide its even better than skillcaped and. They make guids for living 🤣

[@xphnctresayswhat2180]

this guide is really well done-the organization and analysis is spot on.

[@averagej9668]

I really appreciate that. I wasn't sure how well this format would work and wanted to make the Subtlety guide easy to follow. These class guides take a bit longer to put together so thank you for the feedback.

[@shepherd7d458]

ty much for showing the builders an spenders that helps alot ur the only guide ive found to do that thanks again.

[@SamGotBored]

Decided to learn Sub rogue as an alternate to all my healers when I want to dodge healer affixes and I just have to say - this is easily the best class/spec guide I've ever used (and I've used a lot as I've bumbled through my 11 alts in DF lol)! Incredibly well done, thanks!

[@averagej9668]

Thanks!

[@oim8527]

Thanks bro, very detailed

[@Aule206]

Really good guide Mr Rogue 👌

[@markyYE]

Great content!

[@Dan-iy2nr]

really useful for me as im planning to main rouge, keep up the good work man it will pay off in the end brother

[@Arma-S]

Thank you! Its wild that you have only 2k views. Have no idea how i found you tbh.

[@averagej9668]

That's what happens when you make a WoW video right when D4 comes out

[@adamgrabowski938]

wow just decided to play sub and it seems so complex at first, I'm overwhelmed lol. I'm going to pratice more, hopefully will get used to it

[@averagej9668]

Sub is one of those specs I had to practice a lot with to start getting decent numbers. I would rank it up there as one of the more complex specs.

[@CoversIncorporated]

Started learning sub rogue, It feels like the arcane mage of melee

[@toemasmeems]

What do you mean by that? I haven’t played much arcane at a higher level

[@CoversIncorporated]

@@toemasmeems both rotations are very focused on performing tight complicated bursts where every global is important, similar damage profile and idk, both feel very similar to me 🙂

[@shabs1216]

whats the dps loss do you reckon if you dont use flagellation to make the opener more simple?

[@brainshack9077]

Yo i am starting sub and this really helps. The only thing about the examples i dont get is why you dont use slice and dice?

[@averagej9668]

In the walkthrough part at the end? It's because of what I think is a bug with the Weaponmaster talent. Premeditation is supposed to give you 10 seconds of Slice and Dice when you do your opening Shadowstrike but in that example it didn't trigger and I got the 2 combo points instead. The Slice and Dice from Premeditation is usually long enough to get you through your opening sequence and then you'll want to refresh it when it drops off.

[@shotgunammo]

Great video formatting, however I do have some, uh concerns, at some point you mention that sub rogue's only damaging poison is instant poison, this is not true. Wound poison does damage AND is considered a LETHAL poison. This basically means that it does have synergy with leeching poison which the video seemed to imply it did not. Now I see that slice and dice is mentioned to increase energy regen by 50%, I could be wrong here but none of my tooltips seem to suggest this ingame. One last thing, for premeditation you mentioned that upon using shadowstrike from stealth it will grant 10 seconds of slice of dice, this is true, however, if slice and dice is already active it will STILL grant you 10 seconds of the buff in ADDITION to adding 2 combo points, its not an "or" get combo points, its that you get both - this would otherwise have rotational changes but since you get rewarded regardless it doesn't change anything - super solid info on everything else tho keep it up!

[@averagej9668]

Good catches. Thank you. I guess I'm so used to using instant poison I never bothered looking closely at wound poison, but yes, it does do half the damage of instant. For slice and dice I may not have pronounced it clearly enough since fifteen and fifty sound similar. And for premeditation, yep, you're right it's an "and" and not an "or". Thanks for highlighting those. I want to give the most accurate info in my videos and always welcome corrections.

[@KevinMartinez-wn9oj]

hi, sorry if this is a stupid question, but what do you mean by shadow blades + “pot”? What is the “pot”? I’m new, so sorry for the trouble. Great guide!

[@averagej9668]

Pot is short for potion. The best potion to use currently is thr Elemental Potion of Power.

[@christmasham4312]

don't you pop another gloomblade after eviscerate? for full combo points? and do you pop beacon after the first shadowstrike?

[@averagej9668]

Good catch. After the Eviscerate in the Shadow Dance window, you'll want to at least get 6 CPs for your Secret Technique. If you used Gloomblade before the Eviscerate then you already got the Danse Macabre stack from it so you could do 2x Shadowstrikes for more damage if you need to generate more CPs. With Beacon, yes, pop it with your opening Shadowstrike to get its cooldown going as soon as possible.

[@rtheactech]

I wonder if its normal to stick with 1 charge of shadow dance? 🤔🤔🤔 all the guides i watched almost had same build of talent.

[@blacksabbathmatters]

Im gonna go ahead and pass

[@toemasmeems]

It’s pronounced “mah cob” not “mccobray” damn French

[@averagej9668]

I actually looked into how to pronounce it because I wasn't sure and I found a mix of answers. Some people were saying muh-cah-bruh and others said muh-cob. I still screwed it up with the "bray" instead of "bruh"