The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW Episode #4

[@madseasonshow]

Click this link sponsr.is/bootdev_madseasonshow and use my code MADSEASONSHOW to get 25% off your first payment for boot.dev. That’s 25% off your first month or your first year, depending on the subscription you choose. ✅Become a channel member for perks, such as early access to most of my videos(and ad-free): kzbin.info/door/Ovz3kkYZtCTeXKdiuMG8egjoin ✅Follow next video progress on Twitter: twitter.com/madseason_ ✅Watch me stream at twitch.tv/madseasonshow I made an error with the pet system - you could tame most beasts like in 1.0, you just need the trainers for their abilities. Apologies for the confusion

[@madseasonshow]

I made an error with the pet system - you could tame most beasts like in 1.0, you just need the trainers for their abilities. Apologies for the confusion

[@mikejones8808]

Loop hero music goes hard

[@Forty2de]

You made another error - spiders don't have the web ability in vanilla, it only came in... wrath? Maybe cata? It was later on at least

[@joezar33]

10:35 no 1 ..???? Imagine they finished the statute of liberty in STV 🗽??? U know the fans wouldn't let something like that slide without canon questions, like is: "Azeroth set in the Future of Earth" or "Planet of The Apes" and WoW set in the far Future come on 😮😅

[@totoroFan]

It's my Birthday today, I just sat down with a piece of cake and some coffee, and my friend sends me over a link to this! PERFECT! Thank you Mad for a great unintentional present! ❤

[@scxiao]

Happy birthday friend 🥳🥳

[@thunderzproductions5474]

happy birthday

[@heyitspanos8004]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[@madseasonshow]

Happy bday, and no prob thank you for watching

[@MrKshahdoo]

Happy Birthday! 🙂

[@madcat789]

Whitemane was hatless, and... She had *pants?!* No, no, this cannot be! Thank goodness this was corrected in modern vanilla.

[@nomadjensen8276]

I been watching mad season for like 5 years now I think. I love his commentary and just the topics he covers when talking about wow. My journey started in 2007 and I know just how special that game was even with all of its flaws and early game design. I started playing it my first semester of college right when I had fallen in love for the first time and was going out into the world as an adult at 18 so it was kind of a magical time in my life and I look back at it all the time with a real sense of loss and longing. It was a simpler time even in 2007 and as sad as it makes me to say its not ever coming back, you can never really go home again as they say. But It will always make me smile and get that feeling in my heart even if for just a moment when I think about back then. I guess I am just glad that I lived those days at all. when i watch madseason talk about it and plays those epic soundtracks in the background it really hits me right in my feels.

[@amartian2]

I remember playing during Vanilla and realizing through context clues in the world design and questing experience that the Ironforge Dwarves were holding the alliance together and the Cenarion Circle was barely maintaining a peace in Kalimdor. This portion of the story was never paid off, both groups pretty much became jokes and the evidence that this was ever the narrative intent for WoW was destroyed by Cataclysm - after being completely ignored after Varian magically reappeared in game. Vanilla and Burning crusade both setup, subtly through world design and the questing experience, these huge narratives - that the game never dealt with. Then when expansions pulled these plot threads forward, they were utilized completely differently.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Yeah, Ironforge wasn't just the capital because the AH and bank actually had doors facing each other! Even if that helped!

[@acorr14]

This one did pay off by the time of AQ, but I really appreciated the slow horror of the Horde questing experience uncovering the spread of the Silithid. Starts in the Barrens, and they just look like oversized bugs and maggots. Picks up later with a small nest in 1k Needles, but it's in an Archaeological digsite, so maybe it's an old nest that was reawakened by the activity. Moves into Feralas, where the Silithid have pushed out the native Gnolls. In Tanaris you find two massive nests, a nest in Un'goro, before finding their main base in Silithus. It becomes obvious as you move through the zones that these aren't one off nests, they are definitely expanding across Kalimdor. Man I miss some of the old implied storylines. This one did pay off by the time of AQ, but I really appreciated the slow horror of the Horde questing experience uncovering the spread of the Silithid. Starts in the Barrens, and they just look like oversized bugs and maggots. Picks up later with a small nest in 1k Needles, but it's in an Archaeological digsite, so maybe it's an old nest that was reawakened by the activity. Moves into Feralas, where the Silithid have pushed out the native Gnolls. In Tanaris you find two massive nests, a nest in Un'goro, before finding their main base in Silithus. It becomes obvious as you move through the zones that these aren't one off nests, they are definitely expanding across Kalimdor. Man I miss these big implied storylines.

[@tinymom950]

cant wait til a year from now when Mad stitches these together in an 8 hour wow alpha compilation

[@madseasonshow]

That would be a cool idea I think, once I feel like everything is covered and take out the intros and sponsors and stuff

[@skunkjulio]

Trueshot not being an aura even in Alpha is mindboggling considering that's what it was exactly in WC3

[@acorr14]

Interesting that it has the True shot name, but acts like Searing Arrows

[@DiesNahts6969]

That old troll female walk cycle is nightmare fuel

[@minirampchronicles]

the ears are hypnotic

[@minirampchronicles]

in a bad way

[@toster41]

Look at the top of it's head... Oh no no no...

[@kungfukeeanu72]

⁠@@toster41look at its LIPS

[@Solo_Traveling]

I was just looking at her all the time!

[@samwise1790]

SM being one gigantic dungeon made sense with the developer's original belief that players would only do a dungeon once during the leveling process. They really did not think that players would do them more than once or twice (if they didnt finish it and came back later like with the level jump in uldaman), let alone grind them as a leveling strategy.

[@justinad1520]

This format is ur bread and butter man. I dont play wow anymore but i love these videos from you exclusively

[@Digital-Scriptorium]

Good stuff as always. Glad to see the Alpha Project is getting more and more attention lately.

[@DonTinker]

I love that I see this titles like _Things from WoW you don't know_ and I'm actually happy because I didn't knew them, thanks!

[@MegaChickenfish]

0:43 *Never forget what they took from us.* Look at that walking animation.

[@mjedzi1028]

Nice! Always love me some MadSeasonShow in the morning!

[@Whateverdude970]

Its an easy wake up with a cuppa coffee. Nice and slow ❤

[@Kbcosp420f]

Damn...that Tristram background music brings back so many memories prior to playing WoW. 😊

[@aurawolf664]

You can tell MadSeason is a truly seasoned gamer by his choice in videogame music in his videos :D

[@nomadjensen8276]

thats exactly what I was thinking. he has played so many damn game soundtracks that are so obscure, I wanna say like secret of evermore, donkey kong earthbound, chrono trigger to name a few off the top of my head. I know those only cover a small portion.

[@aurawolf664]

@@nomadjensen8276 dunkey does the same thing and its no coincidence theyre two of my top favorite yt creators. respect

[@robbertboudewijns7897]

The Kakariko music for the Scarlet Monastery 😂

[@tomdavenport1768]

My God. Imagine the 1-60 grind with fatigued experience mechanics in place. Fuck that.

[@ezramelchor8421]

Cycle through characters maybe? Idk it'd be cool to try an alpha server sometime.

[@dawgatemybrain]

I unknowingly played on an alpha version private server back in the day. It had the original talent points system, where you could spend points on everything, from abilities to weapon skills and stats.

[@acswister69]

Imagine the OG Female Troll walk-cycle but with like a 70% movement speed buff…

[@CyborgNinja442]

Be scarier than the jank ass stop-motion walking of the T800 from Terminator 1 kek

[@hazardeur]

@@CyborgNinja442 except there it made perfect sense, it even made it better

[@CyborgNinja442]

@@hazardeur it definitely did. I love that sequence, and the stop-motion made it ever scarier imo because of how jank and unnatural it looked.

[@hazardeur]

@@CyborgNinja442 absolutely man. it's like the ray harryhausen stuff with the giant statue or the statues with 4 arms each, holding swords. those movies are like 60 years old and those sequences still hold up perfectly

[@BornRemaining]

Thanks, I didn't need to sleep tonight anyways...

[@Crionix]

im not addicted... i can quit playing whenever i want

[@dolamrothknight]

roll a prot warrior in cata. you will quit by the weekend

[@Afflictamine]

Shadowlands made me not want to play retail anymore, the WoW Token made me not want to play WOTLK Classic anymore, then SoD P3+4 finally made me not want to play Classic anymore

[@chrisandreas3142]

@@AfflictamineSoD is not classic, its retail in wow classic map

[@Moolevalent69]

So will your healer

[@TelvanniWizardMoneyGang]

Me 12 years ago, now you couldn't pay me to play that retail trash. Thanks Shadowlands for finally making it bad enough to break the habit.

[@TreesPlease42]

Penalties create friction which most people bounce off of. You could have the same effect going from 800% to 400%, 300%, 200%, 100% rested experience. You can more easily see why this created grinding issues to begin with

[@wisniamw]

10:25 thats not exacly what I heard happend. What they acutally did is they set 0.5xp as ,,normal rate", and rested exp is actually x1 of that oryginal ratio.

[@Biouke]

That's what I had heard too :)

[@totalyouttacontrol]

Happy birthday to my favorite wow KZbin creator. Rather it is your passion for wow, or just you melodious voice. I love all you videos.

[@Silenceisdeafing]

Mad season always seems to upload on my darker days. Thank you ❤

[@AllThingsNerdChannel]

So crazy how much the game has changed since Classic. Do miss these older days of WoW. :')

[@shyplox]

You have a great talent for making videos, the music your voice and the scenes are all perfect

[@brianbearden6884]

Absolutely love that you use The Legend of Zelda music in your videos! Great touch! 👌🏼👌🏼

[@lennic]

Dude that pet system would've made hunter such a loved class in classic, more than ever

[@jakubpasiowiec]

11:22 On the alpha in Ironforge there is a cartographer/cartography profession trainer if i remember correctly. But I don't know if he trains anything tho.

[@hectordejesus9194]

I just spit water everywhere when he mention the Mc Donald's Hat LOL

[@HydrantRooster]

I really enjoy these videos. I also have access to the Friends and Family alpha, but I've never really explored and/or experienced it. And adding to it: I literally just found an old folder with alpha screenshots. Herod's room was (also) inhabited by zombies. I believe they're officially release screenshots, by Blizzard. Let me know if you want me to send them to you. :) Edit: I found even more alpha screenshots, that might be from before the Friends and Family alpha. I also found some screenshots marked as being from Battle for Azeroth alpha as well.

[@anwaralexander3035]

Thank you for this review. Was quite interesting.

[@WormiT]

I'm still so disappointed we didn't get a SM raid in season of discovery based on this old version.

[@osgrov]

Enjoyed this one, many things I didn't know! Hoping to see more of the alpha hunter, that sure did look interesting. I'm a big fan of the vanilla hunter and that got me sold on the game in the first place. Chasing down pet abilities, leveling up, all the micro management and stuff. Annoying to some but I loved all of it.

[@madcat789]

How wonderful. Thank you for posting. Have a good day Madseason.

[@BasketChase98]

The OG model of the lightforge helm was actually added recently in retail as a transmog item that was a reward for MoP: Remix, bright red with the wings on the side of the helm and everything, even a nice gold trim and surprisingly enough compared to most plate helms, doesn’t inexplicably delete your character’s facial hair. It even has matching shoulders with the scarlet crusade’s signature flames as a crest on them.

[@realtalk7982]

LOL I love the Diablo music running in the background.

[@Agc2749]

The fact thst you used PPF's cover of Stickerbrush Symphony in the beginning of this means immediate like from me.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

13:32 damn the dark portal looks so cool

[@PandaWolf525]

If they ever do a real Classic+ they just need add in all the cut content they originally they had planned. Even if it’s early level stuff it makes replaying fun again getting to see that stuff added in

[@bridalkauai]

Best day of the week whatever day it is!

[@nickdickens7599]

Very interesting Madseason , more of this please 🙏.

[@solaurelian7638]

Wow those are some seriously awesome and creative hunter abilities, kinda sad a lot of them got slashed 😢

[@mariuscroitoru4983]

As crazy as it may sound, i’d play that old female troll model especially if it were possible to play as a warlock to fill my “troll crone” class/race fantasy😊

[@ItadakimasuCha]

These videos are balm for my soul

[@StrikerZero6]

Glad you're still making videos, for some reason, your stuff hasn't been appearing on my feed lately...

[@zacknagel827]

Old hunter pet system was so fun, it’s the only time I played a hunter till end BC 😂

[@arc-sd8sk]

9:20 the revive at binder thing was yet another loaner from EverQuest in EQ, you had someone (or an NPC) cast "Bind Soul" on you to set your global respawn point alot of weird early WoW stuff is ripped directly from EQ lol (like spell schools from your last vid)

[@yeast7485]

Is that big stone also in EQ? I know it is a reference from war3 frozen throne Rexxar campaign, where you set your resurrection point to one of those

[@arc-sd8sk]

@@yeast7485 not as far as I know, I think the stones are original to WoW/wc3

[@Nobleshield]

@@yeast7485 No, EQ just had NPCs you would talk to

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I think it was you who made that video that went kinda viral about underground Karazhan and the horror stuff in WoW, that was such a great video

[@Mythansar]

Great video there! And by the way, your voice isn't boring but relaxing 🙂

[@sephrinx4958]

Thank you for the video, Mr. Season.

[@Nobleshield]

The Binder thing and losing Xp when you died is directly from Everquest; you had Soulbinders and that was your respawn point (and originally you didn't even have NPCs, you had to have another player bind your soul by a city). Makes total sense since WoW was basing itself on EQ. No shock they removed that.

[@Zorikane]

8:40 "these shoes make your feet look big" -Grove Street homie, 2004

[@snuffeldjuret]

2:58 every thing like this make me think "yes, this would be better, this would be even more in the spirit of vanilla".

[@goldcase9071]

Really enjoying this series :)

[@Merztastic]

Keep these coming!

[@singlezergling]

I really love seeing you narrate these videos. I just wish they were about twice as long - it's hard for me to catch everything you're covering as fast as you go, especially if it's on a second monitor.

[@MegaChickenfish]

It's interesting how that "trainers to get specialized pet types" thing wound up back in to tame things like undead and mechanical beasts.

[@Mufireael]

Lovely video, appreciate you showing us some of the peculiar facts about wow vanilla alpha... Take care, peace! 🖤

[@prisonshankify]

Madseason video! Let’s gooo!

[@The-Black-Death]

I just find it insane that Humans never got Hunter as a class until Cata...

[@TTMS-Khaz-kun]

Maybe they didn't want Humans to be able to be everything but Druids and Shamans without Horde having an equivalent? Orcs would otherwise fill that role, but they wouldn't be able to be Paladins, Priests and Druids ( -3 classes for Orcs vs -2 for Humans ). Still, it makes no sense either way. Turtle WoW has fortunately fixed this.

[@The-Black-Death]

@@TTMS-Khaz-kun I mean that is the most obvious thing really, but I would've thought Humans would be the best for nearly every class options, plus it makes sense for them to be Hunters completely. To compete/compensate with it they could've just gave Mage to Orcs, wouldn't be too out of the picture, right?

[@TTMS-Khaz-kun]

Humans generally are ( one of ) the most adaptive races in MMOs and therefore tend to have most classes available to them and Warcraft isn't an exception to this I think. I suppose Orcs could be Mages as well. Not unless there's any other lacking race/class from the Horde?

[@alexanderdooley5833]

Really like the hunter og stuff and the og sm layout...

[@TheRetifox]

I like the idea of Elemental ammo for Hunter, after all, in Vanilla they were using mana, they had some small ties to magic. Making them like DnD Arcane Archer is really cool!

[@ZapatosVibes]

Anyone else feel like MadSeason is the patron saint of boomer MMORPGs? And i'm so happy to be here for it.

[@Tommy2P]

Best content creator. Hands down

[@HenrikBorjesson-ix4tl]

Would love to see more class ability's from early wow. I know that Paladins got a loot of last minute changes, the official classic manual even lists ability's like "Healing Aura" that never made it into the 1.0 release.

[@thenotreallyfunnyguy]

Fun thing that they simply rearranged fatigue into rested experience and nobody complains about it :D

[@Nickatlrke1014]

LOVE the Diablo 1 theme in the back. Nostalgia to the max. Vanilla leveling wasn’t fun due to how slow it was. The community was great but what few remember is how much of a drag it was at max level. Endless…ENDLESS grinding. I get the modern day appeal of Classic but not for me at 36 years old. That’s Stone Age stuff. No one ever mentions that the actual game manual was written during the end of the beta so stuff like ‘plains running’ was discussed in it but not actually in the retail game lol

[@thefinalskarm1754]

4:51 got it adding it baseline to hunters in SOD, they're meant to be able to do anything they want right?

[@tailgatetails]

I played from 2005 to 2015 ish. Then quit. All of a sudden, about a month and a half ago i downloaded retail and started playing agaiin. After leveling to 70 (df) i found the game was not fun like it used to be. Maybe i grew up, maybe the game sucks, but all i know is i stupidly bought the WW and now, i have no desire to actually play it. Wow died for me sadly. Ill keep watching your videos because of nostalgia, but i think im finally done playing the game.

[@fry7320]

God damn we need to bring back penalties for playing too much I remember my favorite loading screen phrase this may not be the exact quote anymore 'Remember to adventure outside with your friends' They should do gold/xp increases the same way they did it in alpha this would also be a great catch up mechanic /encourage the super hard core players to just play alts/other game modes instead of grinding borrowed power over to the unlimited race to the bottom.

[@mariogallego5513]

I believe the phrase in the loading screen was "bring your friends to Azeroth, but dont forget to go outside of Azeroth with them as well". Jokes on Blizzard tho. I have no friends muahahahaha!

[@colecote1432]

When someone who is paying monthly to play a game advocates that a punishment for playing is a good thing. You have already won the race to the bottom, my man.

[@fry7320]

@colecote1432 My guy, the bottom is when no lifers force out the 90% of other players because they accrue endless power and wealth. It's a game. If you can't afford $15 a month, do yourself a favor and quit plenty of free / cheaper games. Honestly, for 15 bucks, it is what one movie ticket that's 2 hours(ish).. imagine if 15 bucks got you endless movie tickets, you'd never find a seat in the theater because some people would sit and never leave now other people would pay 15 bucks for a terrible seat where they are getting elbowed by the no lifers that hard committed to seeing every movie every day even the ones they saw yesterday talking about how they ate just doing dailies... it's an MMO, my man, not a second life or second reality it's FUN it's an escape. Don't forget to live your actual life for this year's borrowed power mechanic.

[@colecote1432]

@@fry7320 apples and oranges. You can watch a film on your own and still enjoy it. In an MMO the players ARE the content. Sincerely: sit back and let people live and play the way they want. They’re not hurting you.

[@fry7320]

@colecote1432 You can sit back and play an MMO a few hours a day without penalty and stop forcing everyone to commit ritual suicide just to keep up to your arbitrary and unending ilevel increase. It won't hurt you to log off for a few hours a day. Theoretically, you can still play. If it is so much fun, you'll just get less xp/gold you can still play and have fun with friends or so completions tasks how ever you like. If you ask me it should he like 10 hours a week is nerf 1 let's say (10% decreases) 20 hours nerf 2(25%) 25hours nerf 3 (40%) 30 nerf 4 (50%) 40 final nerf(75%) but that can be per account per game mode giving you more than your 15 dollars a month with 0 penalty realize THEY ARE ALREADY doing this that's why higher ilevels drop at harder content because they are taxing you time for in-game progress. The problem is the time required goes up as some people continue to sacrifice their real life to "play" a game

[@kadaddlehalo]

Anybody have a tutorial for getting the Alpha client running?

[@stopthecycleofabuse9689]

i die every time i have to fast forward thru an ad, thx

[@Dingdongfuggas]

Oh boy, more widely known facts about alpha WoW! thank you madseason for regurgitating these facts!

[@kyeema-of-the-shadows]

Totally forgot about the Auction Houses being only in Ironforge

[@gendor5199]

This series was nice, the first episode really had the golden secrets, the 2nd had some decent ones, but now it feels more like a "Let's have a look at pre-vanilla", I guess there are changes, but it's not like you can compare the difference between Mt Hyjal and "Scarlet Monestary, similar but not quite"

[@kyeema-of-the-shadows]

love to seeing a video on wow history

[@rocketsurgeon1349]

They made so many huge changes close to release...somehow they managed to make such a good game.

[@SeaDubya]

Baby Anduin looks so stupid. I forgot about that.

[@XxDavidxXPantera]

WHEN MADSEASON UPLOADS i watch.

[@MrLeemurman]

Ah, Loop Hero soundtrack, nice!

[@soundparticle1498]

The Diablo 1 music was 🔥 🔥 🔥 Edit* so was the legend of zelda ocarina of time music

[@coldbreezeproductions]

Remebwr Lupos use to do shadow damage and would ignore players armor in pvp. Best hunter pet for a time

[@phillipalley227]

I can't help bit wonder why many don't talk about the scrapped raid and blocked entrance in blasted lands where the demons and succubus are. There is some quest that takes you there but they never added it

[@fischerderheld4407]

I think the fatigue system is good game design if you had other things to do than expérience gain while leveling. Lile pvp or profassions or other.

[@matercheff]

Your channel is so great

[@joshbelton2689]

I remember u saying it took u weeks to edit one video.. did u hire an editor or something? I see your videos coming out at a really nice pase man love it

[@psoffxifan4904]

Could we get a horde city next episode?

[@Kai_United_County1]

Amazing video 👍

[@kyeema-of-the-shadows]

when are you going to finish your wow patch history series its quite interesting how wow evolved see you got to 1.2

[@Kerrigan1000]

I walk just like that troll when I gota get to the bathroom in time.

[@WadeAllen001]

It's interesting with the design of fatigue/exhausted/rested XP, the designers clearly intended players to not no-life the game. They had some idea of how many hours is a reasonable amount of time to play each day, and didn't want to give an advantage to those that could afford to no-life the game. It seems like they figured that would discourage people from playing once they became fatigued, which would promote a healthy balance of playing WoW and doing other things. But instead, the dorito-fingered neckbeards would just grind through the fatigue and exhaustion like absolute crazy people. But the other part of that I find interesting is that fatigued/rested XP is probably one reason (aside from the game just not being finished) that quests get so scarce and XP gain can drag from level 30 onward. They probably imagined that people would be spending much more time logged out, and thus would have rested XP much more often when playing, and so the quests that there are would provide enough XP to level up smoothly without needing to do any mob grinding. Also, while the Stranglethorn Vale Statue of Liberty was removed, there's still at least one in the game. It's in Loch Modan in the dig site area.

[@ikiwheese]

Scarlet Monastery could have been the best dungeon ever. It would have been BRD before BRD.

[@karelvalecka7653]

12:55 Daval Prestor The Second ☕☕

[@Sid11358]

SM was still all one dungeon instance even in vanilla and you could tell if you got out of bounds

[@kieferleblanc4504]

Classic wow, we'll never see another mmo with the atmosphere and magic that it had in spades.

[@keyanklupacs6333]

That ashes of creation game looks promising when it finally releases.

[@howardhavardramberg333]

I still only play classic vanilla wow to this day 💟

[@googleandsusansucks]

@@keyanklupacs6333 The world has changed. People will just do the old "guide-gaming" for that game as well. Part of the charm of vanilla was the fact that there were no proper guides. You could not trust what people wrote on the internet.

[@DerHody]

6:12 "blocked off"? the gate on the side is clearly open :D

[@bradveach4832]

Thanks again 😊

[@Bitterman5868]

I still with Pre-Alpha was leaked aka the one where Eastern Plaguelands was originally Quel'thalas