Mastering the Offlane: Push Strategies from Pro Players (AMMAR, Limitless...)

[@BalloonDota]

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[@WeLoveGameMusic]

A lot of these examples you can see by the CS that the lane was already a complete stomp for the offlaner, and the pos 5 has just left the lane entirely. But what about when you don't have a level advantage and 5 is staying back to help the carry?

[@Paul-dh1rh]

good point actually, pos 3 is expected to lose vs enemy safelane or just even at the least. no point in showcasing stomps

[@kf_isher1149]

watch khezu vid on collapse comeback farm getting item power spike

[@eBilVastard1]

@@Paul-dh1rh many offlane heroes are defined by being strong early and bullying the enemy carry in lane, they are not expected to lose, often in high mmr the pos 3 players are the highest net worth heroes at 10 minutes

[@emmanuelQuinton]

Another offlane video. This really is a Xmas gift. Thanks a lot balloon, for your work for the community.

[@gabmenchero3903]

Great video! I've been watching you for the past two months. I was Guardian 4 two months ago, and now I’m Ancient 4. Great coaching!

[@mavereckdota]

Lol 😂

[@RockerHound]

Lmao

[@gabmenchero3903]

@@RockerHound whats funny about it?

[@michaelgabucan4550]

Best coach in the bizz! Support this man

[@Mahopishooni]

Ok i go pos 5 CM

[@6xWaNteDx9]

Clear and solid examples of power spikes and initiatives, quality videos as always!

[@theLittle726]

How is your content so much better than everyone elses

[@dondolo631]

Thank you , theres really not that much Offlane videos

[@spiritualplayboy911]

Your tips are valid for the situation where offlaner and carry are always 1v1 or 2v1 with your supports. How do you execute same thing when oppon3nt hard support babysit their carry for like for 10 minutes?

[@BalloonDota]

@@spiritualplayboy911 the video describes favorable situations to identify power spike abuse. In situations where these factors are not favorable, spam pull camps, push waves out, stack ancients, and farm repeatedly while calling for help from your teammate to push the lane down. If they come, proceed with the favorable conditions. If they don't, then just retreat and play for recovery (pull camps, clear wave under tower, jungle, stack ancients etc)

[@xtianebernal]

It's me again. I have nothing to say but thank you. I'm a 5k pos5 main and I want to switch to playing pos3 but even while playing pos5 i can see how these things are beneficial especially with the last example where WL gated to help push. Once again, thanks

[@thephanguy]

can you do a video on what to do when losing as a offlaner?

[@RRR-qy8ih]

Great hope more videos for offlane

[@johnmacmillan8149]

balloon giving us the sweet christmas gift

[@Methoxyy]

What would be the power spike play with a hero like dawnbreaker? Would ganking the other offlaner be a good idea since you can gank globally? Or should you just focus on your own lane?

[@BalloonDota]

If there are fights requiring your ult, definitely do so. Otherwise, dawn spikes at 5 and 7 with an insane boost to her hammer damage. Drop the enemy low with a few hammer throws then dive when they are low.

[@Tsunamiieh]

Hey balloon, can you make a video of how to recover from a bad offlane.

[@ItaloSuzette]

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[@yang9935]

What to do once the t1 tower is down? the carry seems to get more free farm around t2 tower.

[@keishacutie3746]

as this guy said, after destroying t1, you should control the entire jungle where the enemy carry would farm by farming the camps, putting vision (he feels unsafe in the lane since his tower is dead), and force him to go elsewhere to farm. basically you should be denying him farm, and depending on your hero, lineup, and game state, you should be able to group up, get items faster, and win fights much earlier (because u won lane and hit ur spike before enemy carry and he is weak because of it), and eventually win the game. you are buying your team space by slowing the enemy carry's farm

[@yang9935]

@@keishacutie3746 Thank you good sir!

[@Sckarrr]

Good guide bro I'd suggest putting the self promotion somewhere in the middle of the video. People are likely to click off if you put it in the beginning

[@thephanguy]

Is dotabuff or dota2protracker better? and why? i noticed the statistics from both are entirely different.

[@emmanuelwilliamquinton9152]

dotabuff will give you info on the average player (roughly archon) where Dota2 pro tracker will give you stat on the highest level of play > top 1%. Both can be relevant, but in general D2PT will be a better source of info. The cases where dotabuff is relevant are when looking at talent winrate. They might suggest the opposite talent of D2PT has a higher winrate and it's usually because the talent is much easier to execute at lower leve.

[@thephanguy]

@@emmanuelwilliamquinton9152 damnnn that's informative my friend. thanks!

[@hunkdeaddead]

Tnx for the video but honestly this is not working on lower ranked games like 5k and above , because higher mmr dota pos5 enemy casually join mid for run control or de warding and u are 1vs1 againts enemy carry , in lower rank you have useless pos 4 leaching your xp without doing 0 damage or harass and leave u alone after feeding so u cant really comeback to game (depends on hero )

[@jamesabonales8297]

True 😂

[@jamesabonales8297]

That's why you need a party to communicate with.

[@yoshimitsu11]

So basically, if you want to climb, get friends :D

[@Actualize1]

nice bro

[@m15t3rdud3]

Both first 2 examples both have stomped lane and teammates who properly rotate to help. This doesn't teach me anything actionable. Back in the day when i climbed out of herald it was because i abused power spikes, this is really basic stuff. "Win lane and then abuse your lead" is great on paper but it doesn't teach much if people understand basics of how a gold lead works. I like your content usually but this video is a miss