MASTERING THE YAW AXIS | Learning to compensate for camera uptilt

[@stevec2195]

Joshua- thank you for taking your time and posting these very informative videos. I have learned more than I ever thought about this hobby from you. I say thank you!

[@AerRider]

8:40 - Brilliant teaching

[@LaZieGoblin]

Everytime I think I'm getting better, you keep me grounded by showing me I know nothing :D Thanks!

[@GhostRyderFPV]

Now that I'm a Master of Yaw axis, need to work on Pitch. And Roll. Throttle wouldn't hurt, either 😀 As usual, thank you Joshua

[@Xoda_]

pirouette flip or pirouette roll is the name, heli maneuvers. Great to see a skilled fellow pilot, great info!

[@beardmaximus]

watching your videos are reaching so much even before I've gotten into the sport... the anticipation is killer...lmao... thanks Joshua

[@wickedreelz5028]

Look at Mr Bardwell ripping it up.. impressive flights man, really really nice flights!

[@DavidOwensuk]

Good job JB! Happy flying

[@jsgoldberger]

Great tutorial Joshua !

[@badmofo350]

Those tracers on the stick overlay make a huge difference in being able to follow the movements.

[@Six2226]

Soon as Harvey leaves.... ill take this and practice.... Thank YOU sir

[@willianb.6475]

Thanks Joshua....learning a lot from you buddy

[@blackmennewstyle]

Have a great week Joshua :) Fantastic share! Happy flying!

[@andrebenjamin9805]

I see u vlogging Josh... proud proud.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's not vlogging just becuase you're holding the camera.

[@andrebenjamin9805]

Joshua Bardwell Loll i was just playing.

[@420alphadog]

Thanks Joshua, kinda weird but I've been practicing just this all last week. Great video, it cleared up some confusion I had.

[@DoubleA_AMAfpv]

Yes, Thank you Josh! That's some good stuff to chew on and practice.

[@rl2109]

Thanks for the insight on this subject! I need all the help I can get!!!

[@Vaterraman]

Thanks for this! Was really easy to get this into my flying. It will also help with flying my helis.

[@boltonperry9227]

Great vid and tut!! Badass flying!! Thx

[@ChrisJohnsoniShootnRaw]

So that's how you do it! Very informative! Will definitely be practicing this! Thanks!

[@JoshKetchum]

Working on this currently, great video Joshua!

[@dukedblu]

Thanks! for posting. (I'm on level how to not to break my quad for one battery charge. I might try this technique to get me some nice vids - crashing with style ;) Thanks for your work, You saved me some real money with your freeRider tutorials!

[@SAFbikes]

THUMBS UP 1000 TIMES TO THIS! this helped me out a lot, looking forward to more advanced flying tips in the future

[@bennymack78]

I love these kinds of tutorials! Keep them coming

[@EricBeeFpv]

your videos have helped many times. thank you for doing all these vids.

[@ShaneWymore]

Great tutorial B!

[@berberdodo]

this is off the topic of your video which is helpful as always!..but your the only youtube quad specialist that answers back with an solution !!..so thanks a bundle!..i just built a warp 270mm impulseRC quad and was wondering do you have a build video of it in detail or you built one because this is my first and it didnt blow up when i plugged it in but the beeper will not stop beeping and it turns on just no motor movement ...i bound it and its all good what do i do next???

[@OriginalGingaNinja]

drums&drones Hi need more information, have you set the receiver up in betaflight? I.e. Selected the correct port and protocol for it. With a Lipo plugged in (and the props off) if you turn on you TX while the quad is plugged into betaflight can you see the channel values changing when you move the sticks in the receiver tab? Have you set a channel for your arm switch on the modes tab? What esc protocol are you running, unlikely but if it's oneshot or multishot have you calibrated the escs? Is your Lipo definitely charged? I. E. The quads not in low voltage mode? New lipos don't come charged although would expect them to have enough power to spin the props. Are you confident everything is wired correctly?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Beeper beeping constantly, possibly you wired it to a regular ground pad instead of the battery pad.

[@z-alofpv-2178]

Thats it dude!! Im going to practice that! Thank for the tip

[@polar-lights5778]

At some point someone is just going to put a servo on their quad for variable camera tilt, and also sort out channel mixing on the FC so that yaw and roll are always relative to the camera angle.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

This would be a great idea for a camera platform. In fact, it's how camera platforms work. It's a terrible idea for an acro or racing quad. When the quad can be in any orientation relative to the horizon, you need the camera to be at a fixed angle so that you know which way your motors are thrusting relative to gravity.

[@DawnHub666]

Oh my God. I've just been in the DRL sim practising inverted yaws and having a right hard time. Then your video pops up. I can find the combination of yaw and roll to spin on axis but I forget and then every time I have to find it while doing the move. I cant commit it to a full muscle memory. Coz of 35 degrees.

[@DawnHub666]

Oh. Having watched the video. My problem is something else. But same concept. I am fine rolling with a slight bit of yaw. But when Im am rotating with yaw i am finding hard to get the right amount of roll added to stay horizontal.

[@28daballa]

I look forward to your videos.

[@1604max1979]

I'm still learning. That is REALLY useful! Thank you so much! Can you do more of this videos or maybe a series? love all your videos! Max-3Y

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Check the playlist in the end cards.

[@elxero2189]

Thanks JB

[@ImMoneyMike]

Great Video

[@russta19801]

Your awesome josh thanks mate👍

[@SplashFPV]

Thanks for putting the effort in to show us! Really helpfull!

[@Karrson100]

This is why I think simulators are a really good tool. You learn these sorts of techniques without even thinking about it.

[@gregmorrison9045]

Joshua thank for all that you do for this hobby. Your quad fly's great. What frame and build is it?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoHFZ36mm9B1bMU

[@einsteind]

very useful tips ,,,,thanks

[@Zedorek]

thanks for this explanation!

[@smrgLucas]

To cross sticks also increases roll rate and gives less side displacement and stick travel in "normal" turns. But is very tricky as nice, I still don't understand it well...

[@rickflare6893]

Josh in future can we get a video on 3d flying like hovering upside down on the spot and how to setup properly.

[@SmokinMesa]

Thanks 👍

[@wes4386]

I have a somewhat related issues to this topic. When I yaw I am getting a lot of roll . Cl racing f4 board betaflight 3.1.7. I'm pretty new so a bit of guidance on where to look would be awesome. Great video.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Watch the video in the description about coordinating turns.

[@wes4386]

The problem I'm having is even when in a flat hover if I yaw semi agresivly it induces a significant amount of roll and some pith. It's also the same case if I where upside falling and attempt to yaw/rotate.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Are you in autolevel mode or acro mode?

[@wes4386]

Acro. It's really wierd like it's mixed in the transmitter but it's not.

[@checkeredflagfilms]

Did you do any test after changing the yaw settings in BetaFlight?

[@syntrexfpv1347]

I loved it

[@gnormanhayes]

thank u

[@Sub_Dude]

Joshua, any reason to not just use camera uptilt compensation in betaflight? I haven't used it yet but have just set it up to try it since you can turn it on or off from a switch now. Are there negatives to using that feature (besides not learning to do it manually of course)? As always, great content!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

When you learn to adjust the compensation yourself, you can really use the yaw axis in ways you never noticed before.

[@LachlanPeknice]

learn to do it properly...

[@falcorcrow]

Can we please get more flight footage to drool over at night before we sleep?

[@ChrisRiley3D-Everything]

nice flying. but how do you not get dizzy.

[@jester3265]

Hi Josh, Hope its not a stupid qeustion.At what degree of cam uptilt will these moves begin. I'm only using approx 20-25 degrees.

[@simonlay4818]

why is your video so smooth? with my GoPro 3+ silver on 1024 at 60 fps its like crap.

[@mrb2917]

smoothing in post processing

[@simonlay4818]

@@mrb2917 which software/tool would you suggest? I tried imovie because I've a Mac.. but it sucks :D

[@TheMadmacs]

i had to go from 35degrees to 25degrees to safely learn to flip and roll, which i havent masstered yet. hehe you just mentioned johnny fpv and its him (and others) i wanted to ask about... he does this peculiar rewind move a lot, imagine having zero camera angle and just yawing left then right .. thats what it looks like, so assuming he has some angle if not a wild angle, how is it posssible to combine yaw and roll so tightly, you remember i asked about secret sauce with the betaflight taw compesation thing... to me this looks really artificial and he does it a lot even in the most unlikely situations, even when it doesnt look good? the thing is not everybody does this though i have noticed a few others do it, and it rarely looks good or is part of a move. i've grabbed a video to highlight it, he does it throughout but aat 2:05 diving down through the trees is the most obvious example.kzbin.info/www/bejne/paDCkmyviquap68

[@TheMadmacs]

ps. i'm getting some flutter, possibly from wind and possibly from a weak motor, i don't want to tune it, but, if i increase 'i' what should i be looking at doing to ''p'' and ''d'' ?

[@mikereynolds2934]

Joshua- do you have any uptilt in this video or is it zeroed out?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

If it were zeroed out then cross-coordination would not be necessary. The need for coordination is an effect of FPV camera uptilt.

[@mikereynolds2934]

Joshua Bardwell my mistake, I meant in betaflight, not the actual camera

[@PittsburghPete26]

Joshua Bardwell Motors 1 & 2 kick on at 1147. Motor 3 kicks on at 1663 and Motor 4 kicks on at 1014. What can I do to have them start at the same speed?

[@VilleF1N]

You probably just need to calibrate the end points with BLHeli to; min throttle:1000ms, mid throttle:1500ms, max throttle:2000ms and then do the ESC calibration either with BLHeli Suite or in Betaflight configurator. (I'd use BLHeli because it tells you exactly how to do it in the motor tab. But if you know how, then by all means use Betaflight configurator.) And take your props off before any of this! Oh, and make sure you have calibrated the accelerometer, because that can also cause your motors to start at different speeds(and mess up how it flies).

[@JoshuaBardwell]

If you are using multishot or oneshot, calibrate the ESCs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWSwmGBvgpWfaJY

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Use Multishot.

[@yaackaa4418]

hey joshua, my computer is not recognizing my spracing f3 fc. betaflight doesnt recognize it to flash. like if it wasn't connected. can you help? thanks in advance

[@JoshuaBardwell]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2XcmHpsjpqtjqs

[@lubricantrc3244]

How can I I do knife edge inverted harrier from a waterfall ? Is it possible with a quad ?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Anything is possible. But I sure can't teach you how to do that move.

[@DarkAnima270]

How much tilt were you using on your main camera in this video?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

30-35.

[@DarkAnima270]

Nice, i've also jumped to 35 recently and it seems to be the perfect" all in one" view that allows for good acrobatic cinematics to me, just asked because i really liked how you performed here. So much love for smoothness, tough i still get adrenaline twitching in my fingers :/

[@ViperFPV]

Can you share your rates? I'm struggling to fine tune when I'm hovering or at low speeds. I have mine set at 1.05 and .79 on roll pitch and yaw with .30 expo

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I personally use 1.55 and 0.70 on pitch and roll. 1.00 and 0.75 on yaw. I have started to experiment with 0.10 expo as well.

[@ViperFPV]

Joshua Bardwell thanks I'll experiment with that and see how I like it.

[@MultiCola21]

Damm your good👍

[@randomwisdom845]

A tip from me if you are just learning FPV, don't start with low camera uptilt like 25-30 degrees. Mostly everyone are flying with a minimum of 47 degrees and typically 50-58. Thing is yaw and pitch start to work differently if you go more than 45 degrees, so you need to master that from the start. Start in the simulator and set there your camera uptilt to 48-50 degrees, learn it for some time and then go flying real quad. That will help you from the start as when you will go to quad event or a race, you will be familiar with everyone else's setups, 30-45 degrees are gone in 2016 :) So general tips - pinching on radio, uptilt ~52 degrees and build quad for 5S.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I disagree that "most everyone" is flying high uptilt. Racers do typically fly with 45 to 60 degrees of uptilt, but freestyle pilots are more typically in the range of 25 to 35 degrees in my experience.

[@DawnHub666]

yeh. only racers have it that high really or the few freestyle guys that do inverted shit.

[@DashzRight]

The worst advice I've ever heard. People already struggle hovering or doing slow forward flight with little camera angle, 50-60º is just dumb.

[@randomwisdom845]

So you need to train for it. That uptilt won't be very good for slow flights though. For freestyle it's good if you practice flying backwards and flying fast. For racing it's the way as many people are now quite skilled during the years the racing is on. So you need to be on the edge too. Low uptilt will basically slow you or you will see the ground all the time. Also cornering is a bit different with that uptilt. You kinda just roll and that makes a turn. Yaw starts to strain your motors as only two of them are doing the job. So if you think racing, you must learn high uptilt. For freestyle, yes, lower might be more comfortable.

[@brevbomb]

I just watched your "Am I Wearing A Dress?" video. I have to confess that I bought a couple of sarongs in Sri Lanka. They are incredible nice to wear on a hot and humid day. But I have to warn you. Do not climb trees och telephone poles with one, without wearing some kind of underwear... I have seen things that I do not want to talk about, or remember...

[@asalas88]

I'm confused, you keep saying split S when flying over the trees and then just do a roll. Isn't split S half roll and half loop? So you end up flying back where you came from

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I could have stopped at a 180 roll and gone back the other way. Instead, I did a 270 left roll and exited 90 degrees right of the entry point. But I'm damned if I'm going to make up a different name for every single angle of exit possible.

[@VilleF1N]

My brain just can't handle cross coordinating the yaw with roll, past a certain speed or quickly enough to use it for tight tricks :/ I can do S turns and split-s' just fine, but fast and quick rolls just make my brain apply too much yaw all the time and sometime a little magic smoke comes out of my ears after trying to cross coordinate for a bit.

[@chir00n]

VilleF1N use a simulator like LiftOff or DRL

[@VilleF1N]

I have DRL(non Steam version) but, i prefer my quad over it because i just can't seem to make the sim behave exactly how my quad does. I've gotten it somewhat close, but i also have an empty field next to my apartment complex to train on with my quads. So yeah..

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I don't know if a simulator will help with this because the exact amount of yaw needed is specific to the copter, so the muscle memory won't apply.

[@VilleF1N]

That's probably why i've been struggling with learning to cross coordinate, because i learned on to fly with my first build. Which is QAV-R, Lumenier 2206 2350Kv motors and dem sexy Skitzo props and then a few months later, i build my current daily ripping machine which is QAV Skitzo frame, Brother Hobby Returner R4 2206 2450Kv motors and DAL Cyclone props. I sort of learned to cross coordinate with my first quad, but i never were too good at it. And now with a quad that hovers at 35-40% throttle vs 50% on the old one and with 35-40-ish deg of camera tilt vs 25-30 deg on the old quad. It's been a struggle to get adjusted and actually trying to learn, how to do it properly.

[@textripppen]

Hey Joshua, who mows your lawn?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I do.

[@textripppen]

Good job! It always looks so nice.

[@MCsCreations]

Someday I get there too. 😐

[@djwilson48625]

When I go both sticks one way, I roll my happy ass out of the turn. Roll left and yaw left, I fly out to the right of the turn. Only seem to bank turns moving the sticks opposite of each other. Doesn't feel natural like a plane.

[@bennymack78]

There's a 3D heli pilot somewhere who's like "that's adorable"

[@Cerus98]

Ben B - 3D on a heli is pretty much anything outside normal forward/reverse flight.

[@JC-zg2id]

What's your d transition and weight?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

0.6 and 1.0 -- the defaults.

[@SrOchoa]

what rates you run on that quad?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

1.55 RC Rate, 0.70 S.Rate on pitch and roll. 1.0 RC Rate, 0.75 S.Rate on yaw. Also, I have started playing with adding 0.1 expo.

[@SrOchoa]

Joshua Bardwell thanks mate, gotta try them i liked how smooth your rolls are

[@jeffreyodachowski6247]

We need more original names for tricks because the snap roll with an airplane is totally different. snap roll with an airplane is full right roll full right yaw full up elevator or back

[@xtim1974x]

I wish i was your next door neighbour.

[@VilleF1N]

Me too, altho i would probably annoy Josh with my constant questions about quads while tuning mine and showing him endless amounts of blackbox logs :D

[@lubricantrc3244]

I'm so confused. Is yaw rudder ? What do FPV pilots call aileron ? I'm so confused.

[@Cerus98]

samuel lubricant - Yaw is rudder. Roll is aileron and pitch is elevator.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's really dumb isn't it? We interchange plane terms that don't even apply with the actual name of the axis.

[@lubricantrc3244]

Thanks Josh

[@lubricantrc3244]

Thanks Cerus ,

[@hawkfpv1636]

Inverted yaw spins and yaw backs with inverted spins are more of a “mastering of the ya axis”

[@importryderify]

375🖒

[@BuzZ.]

Anyone broken QAV-X frame ?

[@GhostRyderFPV]

BuzzCola 3 Top plate $12. BH T2 motors x2, Mobius Mini and Firefly Q6 all dead, but still the most rugged frame I've got.

[@BuzZ.]

Ghost Ryder FPV I will need 2 parts that are holding the camera and what happened to your quad ?

[@GhostRyderFPV]

BuzzCola 3 The top plate died in a head-on crash with a 101mph Alien, the video is on my buddy's channel Jarrod Bath. It wasn't pretty for either quad - we believe the Mobius Mini is in low-earth orbit near the ISS! But only the top plate broke and took out a VTX too. I've hit a thick pine branch at throttle diving in, and damaged a 2300kv T2 motor shaft. Ate the ground after passing a radar gun (maybe should have looked at my volts in the OSD BEFORE the pass, whoops) and reinvented the wheel, rolling for-ev-er. It's a tough little bastard!

[@BuzZ.]

Ghost Ryder FPV i have broke that pease becouse my motor unscrewed it self and i fall out of the sky on the tree, Ive had phone on my quad and it ripped of phone with pease of my frame. It was my second time flying fpv

[@GhostRyderFPV]

BuzzCola 3 Have a quick look at my channel, you'll see the abuse these things can take lol. My group of Quad Squad pilots prefer Armattan Chameleon frames, and the sublime Impulse Alien, but they're a bit rich for my blood. The most rugged by far is the Alien, but the Chameleon has a lifetime warranty (but shipping to Australia is a pain)