Masters Of The Air | Airstrike scene of masters of the air episode 3

[@ramal5708]

The fact that Cleven's Fort was hit badly in this ordeal into Regensburg, he managed to nurse his aircraft into dropping the bombs on target and landed his plane in North Africa, all of this with very analog technology in the aircraft and non pressurized aircraft, he had to fly his aircraft straight while compensating for his damaged rudder and aileron with throttle and rudder trims all the way into Africa

[@nor0845]

I wonder how many incidents of friendly fire there were between the bombers.

[@0Zolrender0]

Tests were done in the war, and it was surprisingly low for me. About 3% of damage was friendly fire.

[@0Zolrender0]

The greatest Generation.

[@MrCut1]

👍👍

[@moabeats8507]

[@AR_119]

Lots of experts of wwii aerial combat in the comments section here.

[@alejandro1904]

haaaaa

[@Puzzoozoo]

Yeah, and some probably even took part in the bombing missions.

[@ruthnagarya2028]

LOVE USTIN BUTLER, ANYTIME I CAN SEE HIM IN ANY ROLE IS FINE BY ME!

[@Turloghan]

WW2USBombers YT channel described reality of these scenes perfectly.

[@bryangeake5826]

The 'dog fights' are inaccurate, too rapid and far too many fighters being shot down. The reaity was everything was slower and less obvious in effect. Watch the Memphis Bell footage of 1943, that is very different!

[@afar9587]

ok expert, there is nothing slow about planes going 400km/h. lol a guy running past you at full speed would feel and look the same

[@bryangeake5826]

@@afar9587 Head on attacks yes, not in other scenarios, watch the 1943 Memphis Bell footage!

[@Brian-om2hh]

There were many claims regarding downed German fighters, for the simple reason that in a large group of B17's, you could easily get 50+ aircraft. If a fighter attacked the rear of the formation, there could be anything like 15 or more tail gunners firing at the fighter. If it got hit they *all* logged a claim......

[@lorenzbroll101]

I can see now why they designed the ME109's cockpit to look like a coffin.

[@13christbane]

I was excited about this until I saw scenes like this. this is beyond over the top even by Hollywood standards. silly things like the gun turrets snapping to fighters like they have aim assist etc etc etc.

[@frankanderson5012]

I'm not sure how realistic at the end where, just in that one scene, at that one moment, in the nearby view in the front of that one aircraft, 7 or more B17s were going down at the same time. Just seems very odd.

[@Notahandlex]

A debt we can never repay

[@donnovicki9771]

In the entire war the USAAF shot down 179 Luftwaffe planes. They must have got half of them in this scene alone.......

[@sillyone52062]

Nonsense! Despite their horrific losses, the B-17 scored more Luftwaffe kills than any other aircraft in WW2.

[@donnovicki9771]

@@sillyone52062 I should have been more clear. The 179 planes were shot down by B-17's. The USAAF took out many more planes than 179, just not with the B-17.

[@MisterG2323]

Citation?

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

Found a Russian ☝️

[@Fragileone1]

I mean just absolutely without foundation for a number of reasons: Nowhere is a credible number that low in place for gunner kills. Even the lowest I’ve seen from academic studies (of from the postwar USAAF/USAF reports that were generally very critical) is well above this. And accounted for German fighter losses are so far in excess of this that either they were losing a staggering number to crashes/on the ground bombing or you are wrong. However, accurate numbers are incredibly hard to come by. Bomber gunners claimed a very high number of kills (something like 6,500) in the 8th air force alone. Claims are always exaggerated in air to air combat. Everything is really fast and even if you hit something and make it smoke it doesn’t mean you killed it. But even worse bomber gunners didn’t have gun cameras (unlike fighters) and even if there was a kill it was often being shot at by multiple different gunners who could both claim it. TLDR: no they didn’t kill 179 aircraft. They also didn’t kill 6,500. And we will probably never know exactly so claiming a super specific (and low) number is just pointless.

[@mltsr]

Surely the point of German Rockets was that they were stand-off weapons. Makes no sense to fire one at point-blank range.

[@roryhession204]

Br 21 (literally adapted from the Nebelwerfer) max range was 1200metres, projectile would arm around 600 m from aiming point . So bare minimum, they'd be firing them around 700m - ish, out. They were designed to electromagnetically detect when under the bomber aircraft and explode. So the picture shown here isn't…inconceivable, no doubt happened like that, but normal practice would be to fire them a KM out, behind the bomber stream, break up and isolate individual targets then pick them off.

[@oliverf.1511]

@@roryhession204 It did not have any magentic or Proximity fuse. A timer was set to explode the missile after a certain distance. Usually it was fired from arround 1000 meters distance to stay outside the gunners range of about 600 meters and the missile exploded after arround 1200 meters right within the formation. It was also mostly used by twin engined fighthers like Me110 and Me410 which carried 4 of them. To maximize the effect 2-4 airplanes would fire off the missiles at the same time. The ammount of explosive they carried was a few times that of a regular flak grenade. But i doubt they fired them the way they did in the show and if so the accuracy would be absolutley abysmal.

[@roryhession204]

@@oliverf.1511 Hey mate, thanks for your comment and I stand corrected! It seems the Luftwaffe had it as a planned modification but it never came into being.

[@DarrenSaw]

That last scene looks like Wolf 359, the CGI leaves a lot to be desired.

[@viggowood7335]

Cool

[@BobSchofield-el4hj]

How do you know?...you really don'

[@saji9418]

レーダーによる情報ないと、こうなるか

[@moabeats8507]

If the Germans had had as many planes as in this film and had flown like this, the Americans would speak German...and a megalomaniac descendant would rule...ah, on that point it's true.

[@javieralarcon1485]

SE HABRAN ATREVIDO A FILMAR LO DE PLOESTRY: ALLI PERDIERON SERCA DE 100 B17, TODO UN DESASTRE, .

[@sigmaway5717]

Nunca perdieron 100 B-17 en ningún lado. En el raid a Ploesti que fue la operación Tidal Wave perdieron 53 bombarderos y fue llevada a cabo por la 9na fuerza aérea que estaba en el norte de Africa y no por la 8ava que es la de ls serie. En todo caso mas adelante vamos a ver el segundo raid a Schweienfurt 2 meses después de éste cuando perdieron a 60 bombarderos.

[@timmotz2827]

@@sigmaway5717 Opération Tidal wave used B-24s, not B-17s. Which reinforces your point.

[@pks7104]

2:09

[@MrCut1]

what do you think?

[@threadnugent]

I’d rather watch Luftwaffe camera footage

[@EnviXR81]

Just my opinion, Spielberg & Hanks peaked with their first 2 efforts. It’s a shame this rubbish is what we all waited so long for.

[@yeildo1492]

:33 Not to nitpick buuuuut, my understanding is that this shot was impossible. The guns were not able to fire near the wings, for obvious reasons.... I think the CGI is really good here. Not perfect but gives a great idea of what it was like. Must have been horrible.

[@mrj4990]

This show was so bad, casual viewers who like explosions will like it but anyone who knows anything about the 8th Air Force will see how Hollywood esque they made it, a major disappointment

[@Terence-e5k]

Too IL2ish

[@albertocasim9755]

sarap panoorin n bumabagsak ang mga kano

[@JoseluisGarcia-k1i]

Bf 109 que poder de destruccion

[@Watkinsstudio]

USAAF Bomber crews deserve better than this circus of cartoonish CGI and bad acting.

[@williamkoppos7039]

That they are getting Any recognition at all is good enough. CG is all we have these days, there are not enough Forts or 109's for that matter to ever convey the scale of it anymore. With today's tech it could be better but Hollwood has to go for spectacle. Acting seems OK to me, what do you want out of them?

[@Watkinsstudio]

@williamkoppos7039 I expect CGI handled so that flying scenes look authentic, the B-17s going the right speed, with the proper proportions & looking real like they do in thousands of hours of documentary footage and in a million photos, which the filmmakers should have followed closely as a guide. But, they apparently did not. It's not my responsibility to make excuses or pretend this mess is good.

[@guts-141]

​@@Watkinsstudiogo get a time machine and film the actual incident then

[@annsantilli6165]

I don’t know anything about planes or flying, but, I have in my family a producer and an actor and these guys are good.

[@dachicagoan8185]

I wish this series came out 15 years ago. It might have had much better graphics.

[@alexandersheppard1997]

This is not realistic at all.

[@readelundy7620]

Over the top CGI.🤮👎

[@Rothinger]

Bruh wtf is this bullshit. FW190 full ammo loaded would shred these 4 bombers into pieces, with its 4x 20 mm MG 151 cannon's. And here we are being shown that they fired only their MG17 which isnt enough to shoot down bomber. Another inacurate bs american movie.

[@drkresearch2945]

Yeah bro. Who won the war anyway?

[@lolololololololtoast]

War thunder is a video game

[@Big_Berg]

There is a difference between shredding a bomber and downing it. There are countless stories of Luftwaffe pilots having to unload most, if not, all of their ammunition into one bomber just to bring it down. The B-17 was known for returning home with 100s of bullet holes and even parts of the plane missing.

[@Toostew]

Armchair historian when they see any piece of media that doesnt include the most specific details that they learned from the back of a cereal box

[@shelbyseelbach9568]

This isn't a movie, my confused angry friend. It's aTV series.