Mat Fraser and Joe Rogan Weren't Completely Wrong

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[@MorePlatesMoreDates]

Posting my response today. Thanks for the shoutout man.

[@Cosimao564]

zack summoned the delts

[@johndouglass4471]

Love your content man, keep up the good work 💪🏽

[@SeymourNuts]

ALGOOOOOOO

[@zacktelander]

Sweet man thank you!

[@Casbear]

C O N S U M E

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Joe's been intaking so much test and GH over the years that his view on PED use in MMA & sports in general is highly skewed, he's given natty passes to certain guys on his podcast that would cause natural disasters if they ever decided to pee in the sea

[@craigsbenedict]

literally called the rock natty. 280lbs at 50 years old, shredded, just chicken and broccoli

[@tychobrahe6379]

@@craigsbenedict Not to mention the fact that he's WAY bigger than he was at 25 lmao

[@IDiggPattyMayonnaise]

Joe just agrees with whoever shows up on his show.

[@tjcogger1974]

@@craigsbenedict I've heard Joe say multiple times that the Rock is probably using. Idk what you're referring to

[@user-dd7pq2to3o]

Don't forget the laughable schilling Rogan did for jon Jones during the "picogram" debacle

[@chrishubbard8501]

Who needs steroids when you’ve got the chaos / anti-chaos training methodology

[@highintensity415]

reverse movement technology was given to us by the machine elves

[@kctaylor21]

i release hornets in my gym for extra chaos

[@SomeoneOnceBefore]

MEAT HEAD CHEMIST MEETS GIRAFFE, LET’S GO

[@TheJdong34]

someone send this video to derrek from more dishes more bishes

[@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353]

@@TheJdong34 I spammed him yesterday.

[@primenathanos4492]

There's a grey area in being clean for the Olympics _Connor Murphy has entered the chat_

[@TruNorthFit]

If he can suck on the grey area, he's all for it

[@TheComedyButchers]

I would hope they’re clean. I know Olympic lifting doesn’t work up too much of a sweat but you still need to be hygienic

[@TheComedyButchers]

@@iceboxchamberlain1 the clean & jerk at the olympics is literally an event what do you mean

[@sergiocalderon6325]

@@TheComedyButchers clean and jerk is only clean is you clean after you jerk

[@joecoolmccall]

...I'll allow this.

[@MrPtrlix]

@@TheComedyButchers it's a joke

[@pablerdo]

Supraphysiological amounts of spam will be directed at Derek

[@ahmadalhamar7226]

A good ol philosopher called Nate Diaz once said,” Everyone is on steroid”

[@Padbot1]

And that philosopher popped for Ligandrol.

[@sergiocalderon6325]

@@Padbot1 makes for good anecdotal evidence for that statement

[@Tom-vu1wr]

@@sergiocalderon6325 str8 facts

[@rema_style]

@@Padbot1 He do not say everyone except me... He was right 🤣.

[@HEEHEEBOII]

that's why he's the fan favorite.

[@andersgustavsson8232]

If doping isn't systematically used in the US, the only reason is because it's a fringe sport (in the US) with not enough money to sustain such a system.

[@TheRookyMarky]

This is the answer. Any sport with $ in the US is def not clean

[@The1juhi]

Agreed. NFL, NHL, NBA, CrossFit to start with. Closed leagues, where doping is monitored but results are withheld by the governing bodies of the aforementioned.

[@tronwilliams8781]

@@The1juhi Every year a few guys in the NFL get popped for PED use and 4 games suspension. Easy to lookup on KZbin.

[@tronwilliams8781]

@@TheRookyMarky Their is no Systematic doping scheme in place. It's individuals making the choice not the entire league or the Government mandate to win at all costs

[@tronwilliams8781]

With that logic at some point a systematic doping protocol will be found for track and field, swimming, gymnastics, and basketball since their very popular in the US.

[@codymorrison1322]

Mat is lucky to have fans like you creating supportive content to qualify his comments. I try to remain open minded so I can hear this sort of information and see a more clear view. I also am thankful for the specific information you shared I have not seen that before. I will use it as I try to continue creating honest fiction around the subject. Thanks Zach, keep it up- I am sure your dad is proud!

[@jagerfromgsg945]

I think Mat Fraser gets a lot of shit just cuz he does CrossFit. Granted I am not a person super familiar with Olympic lifting but his Olympic lifts are pretty beautiful and you do have to respect his accomplishments IMO.

[@Jmack7861]

I’m glad you made the statement about the out of state testing pool. It’s crazy how many people don’t even know about it and think everyone just “stops so it’s out of their system in time”

[@strykar4744]

I guess saying that US competitors are "relatively clean" would be better phrasing.

[@japphan]

Systemic doping is less prevalent in the US and many other first world countries. In sports overall, individual doping is more prevalent in the US than all comparable countries. This may have to do with accessability of substances, culture, and other factors. Is there a reason to believe that US weightlifting is an outlier in US sports, and dope relatively less? Or is the US the dirtiest among first world countries, as in other sports?

[@henrydouglas6746]

Why do you think the US is the dirtiest among first world countries?

[@Padbot1]

There is no possible way that the US could defeat all these nations on copious amounts of gear.

[@mustang8206]

And how do you know the US is dirtier than other first world countries

[@PalaGilroySen]

really interesting video, thank mr telander

[@maxwell2116]

what are you doing her Pala? Go back to intergram messing with the esl profile!

[@johnyeh8554]

Are we gonna ignore that Crossfit doesn't use USADA.

[@ShellSide]

exactly. They literally could have an athlete test positive, not say anything about it, and we'd never know since all their testing is internal. Really brings into question the honesty of the sport, especially when almost all of the failed tests are lower popularity athletes

[@JoeyAme]

@@ShellSide I actually think they send all samples to a “WADA” testing facility according to their anti-doping policy, but so does the Union Cycliste Internationale and Lance Armstrong never popped positive on a test. So there’s obviously ways to cheat.

[@ShellSide]

@@JoeyAme they use the WADA labs for testing but the collection is done through a contract with Drug Free Sport who only report information back to them and have no public reporting like USADA.

[@JoeyAme]

@@ShellSide yeah that makes sense after hearing Matt talk about getting a 24hr notice prior to them collecting a sample. Defiantly feel there’s some shenanigans going on. It would be devastating to CF if the “fittest” bodies were actually a result of PED and not the CF way of life.

[@ShellSide]

@@JoeyAme its just the paleo diet man I swear! All of our ancestors used to look like that before they invented processed foods lol but yes, I follow Mattie Rogers on instagram and USADA shows up all the time unannounced. I imagine that there are lots of drug protocols or micro-dosing protocols you could enact without worrying about failing a test if you always knew you had 24 hours notice

[@k-sherry]

This is awesome Zack. Must have taken ages to put this together. Would love to see this expand to a whole series into controversial topics in weightlifting. Keep up the great work

[@Donner91]

But can't all these statements for USA being clean at top level be also applied to the chinese weightlifting team? Which I'm sure you've implied several times are not clean. The top athletes haven't been caught, those who have competed and been caught are up and coming and are discarded. The lifters don't have sudden jumps(that we know) in performance and have a long history of meets.

[@IamLEGENDkb24]

Liao Hui from China was busted in 2011.. He was China's most elite at the time...

[@mustang8206]

I don't know the full context of Chinese drug use but I do know that China is a country that is literally enslaving citizens as we speak for the purpose of "bettering" their family country. They also forced millions of babies to be murdered or into orphanages for their one child policy. It's not a stretch to think they would dope their athletes

[@theclasssy3320]

@@mustang8206 I don't know where you got that second statement from. You could have multiple children. You just had to pay a fine. And most small villages and towns weren't even heavily enforced with the policy. I don't see how you could reach that conclusion unless you've got a mediaeval view on abortion.

[@francisdayon]

@@theclasssy3320 You must not have been watching the news! China kills and enslaves its citizen so the US needs to kill and enslave them to save them from the CCP. The world needs to sanction them back to medieval times because they are so bad to their citizens. Woke up, man!

[@mustang8206]

@@theclasssy3320 First off you need to do better research. Second off I don't have a "medieval definition of abortion" I have a factual definition of abortion. Even someone who has a barbaric definition of abortion like you can surely see the issues of forced abortion

[@agilagilsen8714]

I'll say this, Matt is 100% on drugs while competing at the crossfit games, and if people doubt this then all they need to take a look at is the fact that he had a second puberty where he gained more size and strength then he did during his first puberty. So I don't really respect his opinion on this given that he is a fake natty, and yes, so are most of the others he competes against but the problem here is "most" and the fact that crossfit is supposed to be a tested sport.

[@alfpolo29]

3:31 I has used dianabol in my past...a light cicle, im was16 years old,but dianabol was amazing unbelievable boost of strong,in only 4 days improve 18 kg of bench press,i take dianabol in tablets, i remember that i has first work out i used my 90 kg in bench press ,Thursday return at gym and try 90kg and was very light ,try 100kg and i note that i could increase other KG ,at end i put 108 kg and i do my 3x8...unfortunately some day after i has a bylateral inflammation on forearms/elbow brachioladialis , extensor radialis and epicondyle humeral...

[@Mattbridge_]

Great video! Sad to see people doesn’t realise he is talking specifically about weightlifting and even more so specifically to his own person experience.

[@TrentVucich1]

Very true

[@AleksandarDinkov]

Zack, I know what you're saying (well done for the video btw) and I totally agree that the Easter block countries have abused drugs more than anyone else. BUT you can't say USA isn't as bad as other countries simply because they haven't been exposed just yet, similar to China. If it wasn't for the film 'Icarus' (which is an American film), and the actual events they speak of in it, we never would've learned about Russia's dirty methods. But the thing is who would even attempt to put a powerful country like the US in such a position, especially, since no other country would even try to make an 'American Icarus' film. Also, CJ Cummins, for example, is strong AF for someone of his age and for someone who power jerks. Don't you think there's a good chance he might be on stuff? To sum up, what I'm trying to say is that any country would try to cheat and win as it would sit well with their media.

[@DefenestratedYak]

Zack-Sama has again expanded my pineal gland with another banger of a video

[@Spychu1993]

Zack, you said in the end that PED is cheating. Do you mean it in a way like towards current rules of federation or in overall? Because why not just let them use drugs? Overdose of ANYTHING (food, excercise,working) is lethal.

[@chrisdawson9312]

The music in the back just adds that very nice touch to this video

[@Marcusaurelius913]

Don’t need need drugs to be better. Try no fap, no really try it. Been hitting pr’s recently thanks to it and my mind is also healed.

[@mme9646]

Thing is, most us lifters have squat numbers really close to russians or the chinese, some even surpassing them by far. Yet they get demolished in snatch and clean&jerk. How do you respond to this? If you can, that is.

[@mme9646]

Btw I'm not saying your point isn't valid. The us doesn't have national training camps or coaches to begin with. Everyone lifts at his own, private gym. There isn't a national team, per se, so it is harder to make mass doping a thing.

[@samj8932]

I dont think that has much to do with doping, just programming. They only need to be able to squat what they want to clean. Any more strength work is a waste of resources and extra fatigue. It's the same reason these guys dont have very big deadlifts relatively speaking (around ~320kg) they could probably pull waaay more but they dont need to if they're already making all their pulls in the clean.

[@Bjorn_R]

Was about to comment on Dereks page. But I see the delts already have been summoned

[@Mike-sm5kq]

i remember frazer saying one day, anyone saying we take steroids, are making excuses for their bad performances,lol, so my question is, how does someone that finishes down the field,ie 3 4 5th etc get caught drug cheating, what does that say about the winner, ie frazer ?

[@Well_Earned_Siesta]

This video should be considered *the* definitive response on this topic!

[@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353]

Facts bruh

[@Xx_JahBaited_xX]

thoughts on the juji drama

[@alfpolo29]

P.S. In and of years 90' a Journalist went a some College in California in L.A. and ask on many guys that practiced sports this question: If it exited a drug that if you take in 3 months you become the best famous and rich Athletes on the Planet ,but after 3 years this drug kill you at 100%, witch are your choice?You take or not?Well in almost 80% of answer guys say yes! Now ,this was only a questions not has nothing on scientific or statistic, fortunately dont exist a drug like this, and answers on guys most probably was make without reflect much...but in every case is a interesting for understand a young guy...

[@adamjohnson5304]

Love how this popped up on my feed because of Derek from MPMD commented on it as well

[@celo_gutierrez]

I’m upset this channel doesn’t have more subscriptions. Kudos to Telander popularizing this sport through critical topics.

[@littlethuggie]

America is juicy just like everyone else, we just aren't as good at it.

[@ГенриПолухин]

Hey Zack should begginers to Weightlifting do SL/SS or start training right away with a coach?

[@tristansiggi694]

I dont think that you can compare the usa to russia and i think matts Statement is somehow right. In the usa its not systemical doping its maybe one group of athletes or just one person that does it. in comparison russia has had a doping system where al lot of athletes were doped and thats why the country is generally suspicios. Im from germany and we had an very comperabel problem in east germany where kids at the age of 16 where doped and i think thats why now germany has had just so few examples of doping in recent times because we fear our own past. For me i think thats a improvement.

[@davidec.4021]

There is no “eastern block”, the cold war has been over for a while and the ussr has fallen a long time ago. Those are separated countries and should be considered accordingly. It’s not “usa 5 popped, eastern block 20” it’s “usa 5, Poland 2, Ukraine 3,...”. Makes no sense to group up different countries and increase the total number just because they are similar and share a past. The USA pops are not counted together with the UK’s, so every nation should be treated just as a single nation. This doesn’t make your point invalid. Doping is more common elsewhere maybe (or just badly hidden) but still elsewhere are different countries

[@inezm8444]

There may not be an eastern block anymore and the cold war may have been over along time ago, but try telling that to Russia....

[@andyburns1198]

State doping bad. Individual doping good. Got it 👌

[@tjcogger1974]

Wow, this video totally went over your head, didn't it?

[@throwsbear4334]

East Germany was the most institutional and structured drug use in track and field. They also spent an insane amount of money just for developing and training throughout their whole country.

[@goodtaste4]

At Least you can quantify that with the insane results they got by medal count compared to country size. If we go by that measurement the US is no were close to clean...

[@throwsbear4334]

@@goodtaste4 Could also point out The US being the wealthiest country with the most opportunity to pursue such endeavors unlike others.

[@kingrichardthe1st]

I'll tell you what though, that dianabol does work wonders. Puts a shit load on my lifts.

[@armandovela4415]

Aye man new to strength training and found your channel.i like ur shit keep it up 💯

[@StainedPanda99]

This was very informative, thank you.

[@CxWxD]

Excellent video about a subject that people are EXTREMELY prickly about. There is rightfully no attempt here to discredit the talent and hard work of any individual lifters, but to willfully ignore a verifiable systemic difference between the approaches of different nations is doing a disservice to the integrity of the sport across the board

[@fricraft1]

poor guy on the usada sanction list done for cannabinoids lol

[@ryanshout8652]

Thanks for the intelligent, objective, and informed content!

[@mikeb8924]

@ More Plates More Dates Please enter the chat, and give your opinion on these cycles (and possible measures for dodging the pre-2016 WADA tests. . . and even the pre-1990s tests). You've talked about Icarus, mentioned the infamous "Duchess cocktail", and even checked out Clarence's 15 year progression video (not really a natty-or-not, just 'mirin. . . hard). We (I ??) seek our opinion "on the chemistry" (and biological response).

[@edwardelric717]

The US offers one of the most elite sports systems on the planet. They also have very stringent anti-doping programs. But it gets really awkward when every Olympics they top the medal board. I mean if all these smaller countries have state sponsored doping mechanisms why are they struggling in the medals tally. I know there's almost no country in the world to match the US's athelete pipeline. So many sports career potential is available in the US where most countries have a smaller number of choices. But it's still insane to me that the US, Russia and China nearly always top the medals tally at every Olympics. How are they beating state sponsored doping?

[@alextheguy1858]

As you said, USA (Russia and China too) being one of the Most Elite on the planet is largely due to their status as a world power. They have the funds and facilities to pump out elite athletes with very little contradictory lifestyle elements, whereas less affluent countries do not enjoy this luxury so much. These lesser countries then support 'state doping' out of necessity to compete. The state wants medals and the Athlete cannot afford the whole system by themselves. This spreads the blame across the Athlete and the State if caught, but also allows the 'State' to enhance, experiment etc without the Athletes consent/direct control. (See Bulgaria, more extreme results) In USA, the Individual athlete is in a position of lifestyle to perform the system by themselves. The state has no need to interfere as the athlete is pushed to a high level by the system and is able to afford the 'supplementation' at their own expense (This might be coach/athlete/team etc vs solo athlete but still vs State). This places a barrier between the State and the Individual (Interestingly a founding theme of USA) if blame comes knocking. This then creates a system of capitalism across the whole Athletic industry, where individuals can, due to their affluent lifestyles pick and choose what and where, even if athletics are worth pursuing for them. This unfortunately puts the efficacy of the Doping System at the hands of the Athlete (or whichever smaller unit is responsible). You can see in USA weightlifting, as mentioned in the video, USA coaches grasp for information from other people in these fields, there is no systemic overarching library to source methods from, whereas in the 'State Systems' (Just look at the Russian documentation across Weightlifting) there are researched and established methods, removing requirements of time and energy to learn and experiment and fail tests from the individual athlete. Yes, everybody dopes. Some countries have better systems for it than others, some countries have better systems for other Athlete producing aspects. From the results we can deduce that necessity and organized doping might produce better results than ability and luxury alone. My thoughts, anyway.

[@Dad_Lyon]

Well presented, thanks for the video!

[@OldSchooledTV]

13:31 Bruh I just forgot what the entire video was about, I'm weak.

[@stevepasche]

Really good video man

[@Billysawesomeas]

big algo's in the chat

[@brandontracy4004]

The argument is that the US is MORE clean. We have no known state-mandated doping like that of the Russian and Bulgarian teams. If we have a positive test, it seems to be on an individual and not as the training team as a whole rather than that of the soviets/ modern Russians/ Bulgarians/ or any other country that has a proven history of mandated doping.

[@kaga13]

Just make a psuedo open league where ped are legal but only the most dangerous drugs are banned and the lifters can sign waivers and such acknowledging they're aware of and educated on what they're taking and let the chips fall where they may

[@Soulful_Oatmilk]

Zack could you talk about the Kneesovertoesguy?

[@Tee468]

Are you for train Zack?

[@SP1x5]

What is the outro song?

[@DamnUsernameTakenFU]

I'd like to see an Olympic event with every athlete dosed to the gils. That would be dope.

[@Jeneric81]

Could probably just go watch an 80's Olympics.

[@stephenjlewis1976]

Ironmind videos

[@arvidpetersson2252]

That’s what you’re already watching

[@Jeneric81]

@@arvidpetersson2252 Not really. Modern testing will make it if anything at least harder to get away with things. So even if people aren't clean, it's not like they can go full blast.

[@littleratblue]

I'm fairly sure that top level Strongman is pretty wink wink nudge nudge, based on some comments by the competitors about testing. It's not Olympic weightlifting but if you're looking for huge guys doing crazy, inhuman stuff, it's probably what you're looking for.

[@gungrave10]

Is bigger stronger faster doc lied?

[@HM-qe9pd]

Fraser’s fake ignorance of PEDs is so annoying and I wish they just wouldn’t talk about it. The fact they obviously can’t say they’re using just makes it pointless to bring up. America probably knows they won’t win golds in weightlifting so the doping is far less prevalent compared to athletics, swimming gymnastics etc. Zack you can’t go by who has been caught. The US would have the most advanced ways to beat tests, and the most cash.

[@crazycjk]

"I'd never even heard of testosterone, I had to google it" - Mat Fraser, probably.

[@deliciousdishes4531]

but like you said there's no cash in weightlifting for them, cause they're not winning. And there's no big system to support them and do this for them either like in other sports. Fraser talking about this is laughable definitely. What *is* curious, is that the US people are still doing ok, especially the women are doing well. And that seems really suspicious if they're clean.

[@highintensity415]

Lol'd @ "NPC 1, 2 and 3"

[@maxrockatansky3896]

A guy that talks about being clean isn't clean. Matt when he started was literally nothing...no natural anything. But some how with a whole lot of kipping pullups and kettlebell swings he got to this level.

[@pablo111111]

Hey zack. Do you think that a person representing a country, which culture is based on results, in the olympics is not “heavily suggested” to use drugs?

[@jeungbou]

Good analysis.

[@davidhooper259]

I’m a pharmacist and HOLY SHIT!!!! Throw out sex, age, natural ability...the fact these people have functioning livers, no blood clots or kidney issues are amazing. Starting elite athletes around 15 or younger? Instantly closes the growth plates in their bones stunting their height permanently. Yes the athlete would cycle on and off before a competition but when would they start again? How many competitions in a year could they participate in without a noticeable decline in strength or psyche? Many forget once one is off cycle the weight you were throwing around 3 weeks ago now you’re struggling with gets in your head....(see Sha’carri Richardson’s dead last performance at Prefontaine this year). She was mouthing off because she quit with 30 meters left knowing she was not in the right headspace after seeing everyone in front of her. Gear makes you feel invincible. Tapering off incorrectly makes you feel soft, weak and slow, maybe emotional.

[@alexandershangin1191]

Oh yeah...:)))) The country with the highest usage of PEDs among general public, but our athletes.. they are clean . Yeah fo sure

[@tjcogger1974]

Lol. You think the US has the highest ped use of the general public? 🤣

[@MichaelWarrenPerform]

I don't agree with Zack on everything but I like his channel because he uses his brain. We're just different. No sheep here

[@blackrock1009]

"undercover reporters went to Gatlin’s training camp in Florida. Here the athlete’s coach and athletics agent offered to supply and administer testosterone and growth hormone. The reporters posed as production company employers looking for substances to help an actor get into shape.They reportedly recorded Gatlin’s coach, the former Olympic gold medalist Dennis Mitchell, and the agent, Robert Wagner, claiming doping in athletics was still widespread and that doping tests proving the use of any banned substances could be avoided." Say Hello to the reality Mat 😂

[@ojmay...]

@MorePlatesMoreDates Review this

[@thatfitfriend]

Great video, man!

[@Slumppy]

Extremely interesting video!!!

[@stuffbenlikes]

Good video. And you're right, most people cannot deal with uncertainty, with gray areas, with things that can't be defined as all good or all bad.... And youtube comments are a great example, and the current political environment in the US is another.

[@alfpolo29]

Guys and Girls remember the First Important Commandment in Sport(Olympic Games & other Professional Sport) "Nobody real clean Athletes can win VS doped Athletes" is impossible that a professional and doped athletes lost vs a real clean athletes,is like a simple math "rules" 1+1= 2 ! Now i want talk on "Second Important Commandment" on Professional Sportsmen, W.A.D.A. is not one step behind drugs systems, but two step behind,and now a "clean" example on this second rules: Tyson Gay(amazing talent & doped athletes) has lost VS Usain Bolt(they has passed all antidrug test) ,and if the first and second rules are right, how is possible that real not doped athletes has beat a doped athletes(Tyson Guy & others Athletes)? The answer is easy, is IMPOSSIBLE and then Usain Bolt not was real clean. In 2006 before Olympic Games on 2008 in Beijing a famous Scientific Magazine "Science" spoke on new Era of the doping the GENETIC or GENE DOPING, impossible to find with common antidrug test blood/urine ,and W.A.D.A. in 2008 not has the possibility to discover this type of doping,even today is enormous difficult and expensive find who have used this system of doping!

[@dissaifer]

All he needed to say was "cleaner" - clean assumes that everyone is clean.

[@manuellozano5567]

Fliday.

[@broukhaza]

balanced information, as all things should be.

[@Cian0Brien]

Think this is one your best videos in a long time.

[@mmoskowitz9]

At some point I believe a discussion has to be had as to creating a legitimate separate division for heavily doped athletes in all sports. If we want to see the end game of human limitations then we need to say it clearly, give us a show. If we want clean athletes in all disciplines( weightlifting,powerlifting, strongman,crossfit,bodybuilding) then be clear and test stringently. We will not see movement by governing bodies as long as the numbers being moved get higher drawing eyes in. In the end GOVERNING BODIES ARE BUSINESSES!

[@getstrongby4038]

Hmm so that's whats we need?

[@zemm9003]

Competes clean at what? Because it sure as hell ain't running. 🤣

[@royeffinger4554]

Algorithm for the mpmd mention

[@HEEHEEBOII]

All I can say is, if people are using PEDs in cycling, you bet they are doping in almost every sport in the Olympics. It's basically a cat and mouse game, the mouse gets slicker so the cat has to get smarter. I think is time American athletes and commentators accept the fact that this will be how it is unless a MAJOR revolution occurs at the testing level. I mean even Hedo Turkolu got caught for using steroids in basketball and look at Lebron James going from his high school to his prime I mean the guy went from a muscular dude to a freaking tank.

[@mattpeters6224]

This was awesome 👏

[@theweightlifterknownasbobw7707]

this whole video is ironic - considering Matt is a drug cheat in crossfit and retired to save his body from the drug abuse

[@johnnybeefum]

Who was the weightlifter with blonde curly hair who misses a clean at 1:30?

[@alextheguy1858]

Guy Carlton, USA -110kg at the 1984 Olympics.

[@5dollarshake263]

Everyone's on steroids.

[@adamqjsmith]

Another great video Zack

[@janstapaj9694]

Bs is same like anywhere around of use of steroids and PED. If you looking in Cold war both use planty of it. Not only in weightlifting.

[@chrinarai]

Hi Zack please don't be naive - everyone at a high level is on gear. Do you really think that there are some naturals that can out compete those that are juicing hard? Of course not. Yes they are the best of the best genetically, and they all take gear, which evens the playing field. There is no (zero) way that you can compete on a similar playing field and be natural. It is ridiculous when people think that eg one person that medalled cheated and the rest were natural - inches within the same time/score. Taking PEDs when you have good genetics gives you a DRASTIC advantage. If everyone was natural then you'd have random people performing hugely above everyone (the rare cheaters)

[@mikelowry7076]

Cheat and then Robles comes on the screen 😂

[@mikelowry7076]

@@toximan2008 she served a 2 year ban for peds

[@IxSaltinexl]

13:01 Nice edit, Zack.

[@Manuel-xy7un]

I had a out of comp test last month, first one ive ever had i never thought id have one i only do one powerlifting comp a year. so i was pretty surprised ive been tested almost every comp ive been to since 2015 but its weird to get that knock on your door first thing in the morning lol. Im not that serious of a lifter but earlier this year i was required to sign up for the Athlete pool or retire from the sport so they dont really give you much of a choice

[@mrloqqe1610]

lmao damn, how did it go? not many clean athletes around in the sport of powerlifting, i feel like

[@Manuel-xy7un]

@@mrloqqe1610 No news is good news, i mean a couple years ago her ein canada we had an competitor test postive for like 9 banned substances and it was just a local competion so it is everywhere for sure last year i think we had a team canada member test postive

[@mrloqqe1610]

@@Manuel-xy7un strength sports and steroids go hand in hand. i mean the edge you can gain is pretty insane, so it's understandable.

[@stisoisfnr7769]

That is a great system!! Can come to athelete at any time of any day makes so cheaters is more likely to get caught, so this is really great!!

[@tontolinification]

Just watch Christopher Bell’s movie Bigger Stronger Faster

[@Kazuma-des]

One thing's for sure most ppl are not natty cause almost everyone takes a multivitamin at least according to Conor Murphy lol

[@lsw4852]

Exquisite educational content. Jesus jeff

[@joelrodriguez7550]

Zack you should do a reaction to Clarence’s most recent video on his antidoping views since it seems you both have different opinions on it and it would be interesting to see what you would say

[@jeremybatah4827]

Hey guys Derek from more plates more dates here

[@vp3179]

And then, usa comes and dominates. Come on dude.

[@seal869]

Natty v Juice convos on reddit and other online forums are THE WORST. Sure, some people juice. But 99% of people's judgments, which they make which ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, are just going "well his numbers/physique are really impressive, so I figure there's no way to do that naturally. QED." They don't even consider the possibility, or actually the certainty, that there are freaks out there with gifts they just can't comprehend. Frankly MPMD is pretty guilty of this in most of his vids that I've seen.

[@skateata1]

Great video