Canon R7 vs R8 In-Depth Comparison

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:10 Design
6:47 Image Quality
9:19 Autofocus
15:30 Shutter & Drive
21:01 Video
25:25 Stabilisation
28:12 Price & Lenses
30:08 Conclusion

[@persianpassion7]

This was BY FAR the most detailed and BEST comparison between 2 cameras I've ever seen as it didn't just list specs side by side, but also gave examples of the performance. You ROCK!

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you! Really appreciate this!

[@anthonyallen9135]

So succinct. Well focused imagery on parts of the camera. Excellent commentary- thank you.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@davidfarr3591]

This is a very helpful comparison. Thank you!

[@ptvfr800]

Thank you for an excellent review.

[@AtaBoraBasar]

You are the only person who makes the best comparison of these two cameras. This is really awesome.👍

[@jorgenudvang3507]

Thank you for a very detailed review. Very helpful.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Glad it was helpful!

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

Even though I am not in the market to replace my R7, I love your reviews and never fail to be enlightened. I especially appreciate your rigour, thoroughness, and attention to quantitative detail. I can barely imagine the effort required, which is much appreciated.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you for the kind words. Really appreciate it!

[@finnritslev4559]

Excellent comparison. I have R7+RF 100-500mm and R6mkII+RF 800mm f/11. I mostly use the R7 combo. I shoot mostly birds. The R6mkII is outstanding in low light. Note: The R8 has the same sensor and AF as the R6mkII

[@a_commonman]

Amazing comparison and reviews❤❤. Your reviews must reach larger audience🎉.Thanks❤❤.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you!

[@sou_usavlogs]

The best camera review channel I've ever seen, I've been looking for this for a long time, congratulations on your professionalism.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you!

[@naturalezainvisible4688]

Excelent comparison between 2 cameras , you are the best , I suscribed now . best contain !

[@matthewbell1968]

This is an excellent and highly professional review and as an owner of both I'd back what Mathieu is saying. I would add that anyone thinking of getting on of these two could do worse than see what Duade Paton has said on this subject and he's said enough that Canon even got in touch with him. From Day 1 Canon told us/sold us that the r7 had the 'same AF as the r3' and this is simply untrue. The r7 AF jumps around and for no reason either, the R8 is a LOT better in this regard, I've run them side by side and can vouch for it. Look up the sensor read out speeds for both and that says a lot as well. Thanks 👍

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you for the kind words and for sharing your experience. Appreciate it!

[@nk-oi3oo]

So you are saying R7 autofocus performance is worst? I want something to pair with my RF200-800mm f9.

[@alansach8437]

To be fair, Canon never said that the autofocus in the R7 was the same as the R3. They said it was "based on" the R3. The R7 autofocus is actually quite good, EXCEPT it tends to wander a bit if you hold your finger on the button when photographing a stationary subject.

[@arsh.thabal]

Hey I hope you are doing well, I am totally new to photography but I was just using my phone. I love landscape, animals and all other nature photography and I like to make zoomed 4k 60fps videos of animals. After a lot of research I finalized R7 and R8 for my budget and as my first camera. As a beginner to a professional before spending money I just want to ask you what will be the best camera for me to do all that I mentioned above.

[@dawoodeast]

Wonderfully presented! Covered all bases. Made it a lot more easier for me to choose the camera that fits my requirement. Thanks!!

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Glad it was helpful! Which one did you choose?

[@dawoodeast]

@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons The R8.. I capture very little video. And often capture birds in flight. The low noise+image quality of full-frame(R8) & IBIS + crop sensor benefits(R7) had me in 2 minds. Finally, I didn't like the yellow tint of the R7. Don't think Other reviewers on KZbin covered that...

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

I hope you'll enjoy the camera then! Which lens do you have for birds in flight?

[@dawoodeast]

@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I'm a hobbyist looking for an upgrade over my 8yr old Canon Rebel T6i(APSC) that i paired with an old sigma 70-200mm, f2.8 for crop sensors. Not the ideal kit for bird photography, it takes some effort to capture anything meaningful. Got a load of EF-S lenses - started out with 10-18mm,18-50mm,50-250mm, then a 40mm canon prime and then the Sigma. Makes the choice tough between R7 & R8. The R8 will mean I cannot use any of these lenses but for the prime... The R7's occasional focussing issues makes it unreliable for bird photography don't you think ?

[@rui7773]

@@dawoodeast, R7 têm imagens esverdeadas!

[@joseacarrasm]

Excellent comparison, very detailed

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you!

[@victormanuelchaysansores6742]

For weddings and social events, wich one would i choose? the size of the R8 is a problem when you put in a big lens? The mount of the camera is so stressed? Thank You!

[@rolis.j]

good inforative video,liked

[@belmoon01]

I've been debating between these two cameras for weeks now and this is the best, most helpful video I've found, thank you so much!! Your comparisons helped me finally settle on the R8, as I especially love theater & concert photography and portraits, so the better focus and low-light performance on the R8 far outweigh some of its weaknesses compared to the R7 for me personally. Thank you again so much, off to get my new R8!! :))

[@MalcomBenites]

Great video, I think this will finalize many people's decision on which to go with. I do have one question... have encountered any overheating with R8 while in stills mode? I see a lot of videos and reddit posts about people just navigating through the menu or setting up the camera and it goes into overheat mode. Keep up the great job. Enjoying the thorough reviews.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Yes, I forgot to mention this in this video but I talked about it in my previous one (R6 vs R8). I've seen the overheat indicator appearing while working in photo mode, but it never increased beyond two bars, so the camera never shut down because of overheathing while taking still pictures. But it is also true that I don't live in the warmest of countries.

[@jcloiseau]

I live in Singapore and the ONLY time i saw the heat indicator is after spending a good 30min near non stop doing high speed panning shots of toucans and parrots flying around in bird park.

[@hussainbaker8402]

In the other hand which one you think worth to have better image and color !

[@antoniojimenez7103]

Great review, I am trying to decide between the R7 and the R8. This review has given me much to think about.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Let me know what do you decide!

[@sashafarion]

Nice comparison, thanks

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thanks for watching!

[@aufakhayri7502]

Awsome review!!! But i have a question for you, which one is the better combo for travel and sport photography the sony a7iv with the tamron 70-180 or the canon r6 with the EF 70-200 is ii (adapted)? Which one is better for fast action autofocus ?

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Good question, but I'm not sure I can give you a precise answer because I never tested the Tamron 70-180, so I don't know how fast the AF motor is on that lens. I know that the EF 70-200mm with the adapter works very well on EOS R cameras, so it should be fast on the R6 too.

[@GinoFoto]

Great comparison, nowadays perhaps the most comprehensive camera review channel there is, which I had not encountered much before.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you so much!

[@sou_usavlogs]

Could you please make a review between Eos R and Eos R8?

[@nilanthaphotography-qx4ev]

Thank you Sir

[@user-th7gb8mu6u]

Great job! Thx

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Glad you liked it!

[@indago1]

I have R7 and one important thing for photo is - before I used mechanical shutter, but the shutter shock was that gave me problems with blur in images. I started using first curtain and it's so much better, Im getting a lot more sharp images. The most important thing is shoot with a bit higher shutter like 1/100 AND first curtain and you will get great results.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Yes, shutter shock is a common issue of many cameras with high resolution sensors. That's where the EFCS is helpful.

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

I had the same experience, but there really is no downside to the first curtain electronic shutter, which I now use preferentially. If rolling shutter is not an issue, the electronic shutter offers up to 30 fps with silent mode, which I still find useful.

[@mikepasatieri502]

Matthew thank you for these excellent reviews. You have clearly presented the tradeoffs of the R7, compared to the R8. Most reviewers don't highlight these tradeoffs as clearly as you have. Concerning overheating in movie mode, I read that changing the picture RAW setting from RAW to CRAW (using the compressed RAW setting) decreases heat and increases the recording time before the heat warning kicks in. I wonder if turning off RAW and using jpg only would increase it even more? Can you test this?

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you for the nice comment. Unfortunately, I don't have the R8 with me anymore so I can't double check this, but I don't see why the RAW setting would have any influence in video mode, unless it's some kind of weird software glitch.

[@mikepasatieri502]

@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons You're welcome, you do a great job. About the RAW setting impacting movie mode heat levels...I agree but who can say how Canon's processing actually works? It doesn't make sense to me either, it was something I read and would be an interesting theory to debunk.

[@henrikbengtsson3566]

Hi Mathieu, I was wondering if you have done any side by side comparison with R6M2 vs R8? I know they share the same sensor and all but it would be interesting to see if they have the EXACT same color output. I know Canon sometimes tweak their filters depending on which market the model is aimed at. Thanks.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

No I don't unfortunately , I tested these two cameras at different times. It is possible there might be small differences with the in-camera JPGs.

[@yuryp5381]

Thank you very much for the video, I want to update my Canon 6D M2, but there is no way to test the R7 and R8, I'm at a loss...

[@seasnakes6337]

I'm planning to get R7, but after this review, I may look for an RP. Thank you for the good review

[@TheAzureLance]

Hello! I am a little late for the party, but i would like to know your input. I am looking to get a camera to start me up on photography. My objective would be to mostly document my travels, so landscapes and maybe pictures of me and my partner in those places by using a tripod. I would also be using it to take pictures of animals, mostly house animals, like cats, dogs and bunnies. I have very little knowledge on cameras and photography. I really want to start studying and get into it a bit more. So I am split between these two. They are very similar in price, but the R7 looks like, the more newbie friendly with its IBIS, but on the other hand the R8 seems to have the most potential and picture quality? Which one do you think it would be better for someone new? Thank you !

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thanks for asking! To be honest, both are great to start with, but the R7 has some practical advantages, like backing up your shots on the second card while you're travelling, and the better battery life which means you don't need to bring too many spares with you. For what you intend to do, the R7 will cover your needs just fine, plenty of quality for landscapes, and you can get a kit with the 18-150mm which will allow you to do a bit of verything. Then you may want to invest on fast prime lens later on to have better bokeh when taking portraits, or if you find yourself working in low light more.

[@AlexMolzino]

Have a good mood! Is it possible for you to write the size of 1 minute video files for different cameras( R6 vs R7 and vs R8)? Thank you!

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

They all have the same bitrate, so 1 minute in 4K 25p 8-bit is approximately 850MB. The bitrate in 4K 25p 10-bit (C-Log, HDR PQ) is higher, so one minute should be around 1.2GB.

[@sumdood2035]

Currently have the R7 but I'm looking to upgrade for better iso performance. That battery difference is a dealbreaker. I have nearly 10 LP-E6/LP-E6N/LP-E6NH batteries from past cameras, many of them being the original canon part. I'm not willing to replace them all at $60 ea, so I'm thinking the R6 (only 20MP?), or more ideally the R5 (higher megapixel) would be the better direction to go. Why would they switch to a 1040mAh point-n-shoot battery in a full-frame camera? Just so they could fit a SD slot next to it?

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

No, most likley because the body is smaller and it's roughly the same of the previous EOS RP camera, so fitting a larger battery would have force Canon to update the design somehow.

[@espora_]

Hi,I want to invest on fast prime lens,not just that one what I get with camera.Do u have any suggestions?

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

It depends on your budget really. There are some Canon RF prime lenses that are not too expensive, like the RF 35mm F1.8, the 50mm 1.8, the 85mm F2. It depends what you want to do as well. Is it for portraits, landscape, etc.

[@captiandad]

When comparing the low shutter speed keeper rate of the R8 vs R7 a better test would be at equal iso noise levels and not equal shutter speeds.

[@jaymills1720]

Do you like r8 or a6700 for 70/30 in favor of video for hybrid run and fun filming

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

I haven't tested the A6700 so can't comment on that one yet. I would say the Sony has a few advantages like 4K 120p (if you're into slow motion) and there is more choice when it comes to lenses for the E-Mount. The battery life should be better too.

[@ryanrommeldominguez8554]

This is the comparison I have been looking for. I am more interested to know which focusing system is better. I have been really thinking of getting the R7 to replace my 7D but I guess i will be getting the R8. Thank you.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Nosotros-Prod.]

Profile C Log 3 can be used at 1080?

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Yes

[@jasperkong7514]

Mathieu, you're absolutely fabulous. Thanks

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you so much!

[@krisam12345]

R7 has a built-in image stabilizer and 32 Pixels, R8 is Full-Frame, 24 pixels but overheating complaints.

[@rudolfzaris675]

Very detailed comparision innocently pointing to the fact , not to buy R7 😞 . After this will Cannon probably release new firmware for R7 in order to enhance its reputation 🙂

[@YogevMontekyo]

Excellent video and the most comprehensive comparison of R7 vs R8 i've seen. Did the AF comparison use EFCS in both cameras? After owning the R7 for a year i can verify indeed that AF performance for stills in mechanical shutter is lower than R6 and off course also lower than R5 (meaning, when comparing side by side this is immediately noticeable). Though R7 was initially sold as an upgrade for 7D owners (fast stills shooting, wild life, etc), seems like it is a video beast rather than stills. R8 also seems like an excellent option for videographers (both non-professional and professional with an external recorder). Overall after years of disappointments, canon is being competitive and releasing very interesting products.

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

I used the electronic shutter for the AF comparisons.

[@andrear9500]

Great job as usual! If only Canon could release firmware updates… I guess they could improve af or ibis response on the R7… if the really wanted to of course. Ciao

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you. They have done well with firmware updates on cameras like the original R6, so I'm sure they can bring some improvements to the R7 if they want to.

[@johanschijvenaars5421]

I have a M50 MKII and looking for a replacement R7 or R8, I am taking pictures of ballroom dancing competitions and struggle with noise since venues tend to be too dark. For example with a Tamron 24-70 f2.8 with a Metabones Speedbooster it is f2.0 1/250sec and ISO gets to 12800. Will the R7 make enough difference in noise? I think about getting the R7 due to IBIS, dual SD card, battery capacity and with ASPC + Speedbooster I can go to f2.0 and with an R8 that is not possible.

[@captiandad]

For indoors low light, I would choose the R8 for about the same price.

[@arunkumar-xc3ms]

For personal basic use which is best r7 or r8. I want to shoot bokeh pics also

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Bokeh will mainly depend on the lens used, but you'll have more chances to get a shallower depth of field on the R8, because of the larger sensor.

[@arunkumar-xc3ms]

@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Canon EOS R8 Mirrorless Camera + RF 24-50mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM Lens €1899. Will this fulfil my bokeh needs and normal photography. Or still i need to buy more lenses? My budget is €2000.

[@jonashovden]

RF 50/1.8@@arunkumar-xc3ms

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

The RF 24-50mm won't give you a lot in terms of bokeh. You'll want to invest in a fast prime lens at some point, like what the one @jonashovden suggested, which is one of the cheapest.

[@rui7773]

What I find interesting is that word spreads around the world that the R7 is for wildlife and the focus on tracking loses to the R8. Another point is this Ibis, so far I see more marketing than real utility, the R8 without Ibis seems almost identical to me. The R7 for me from the videos I watched is a 90D in disguise that little by little we will discover its true identity. I read many complaints about the mechanical shutter, one said that out of every 10 photos only 1 had focus and with luck! For me, the essential thing in a camera is the focus, 300 photos per second is no use, a battery that lasts 300 hours, 10 card slots if 99% of the photos in motion do not have focus, especially a camera that is said to be for wildlife. Thanks for the video!

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

Thank you for watching! I think the R7 has a lot of potential, and in some situations like small birds on branches etc, it performs really well. To be honest, I'm still surprised it doesn't match the other EOS R cameras with faster action like birds in flight, all the other ones I've tested behave in the same extact way. Perhaps it's just not as powerful as the other models when it comes to AF calculations/s, or something like that.

[@rui7773]

@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons, 👍🇧🇷 Obrigado!

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

Whoever claimed a 10% focus rate should schedule a service check. I use my R7 every day, and this has not been my experience. With the mechanical shutter, shutter shock may be an issue, due to the lightness of the body. But the first curtain electronic and electronic shutters avoid even this slight loss of sharpness. And even if you prefer the mechanical shutter, a 10% keeper rate strikes me as likely hyperbole. I use my R7 almost exclusively for birds and wildlife, with the RF100-500 living on the camera 95% of the time. And I can say that I've never had so much fun with a camera. The image quality from this combination is simply stunning.

[@pjurgensen2827]

There are no wide angle lenses for the R7!

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

RF 10-20mm F4L IS STM RF 14-35mm F4L IS USM RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM RF 16mm F2.8 RF-S 10-18MM F4.5-6.3 IS STM + some third party options Even when you apply the 1.6x crop factor, they still work as wide angle lenses. Hopefully more will come.

[@malonipastroni395]

Are your photos of natural animals? it looked like there was a wire reflection in the owl's eye. it would get you more respect to take photos of wild animals

[@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons]

All my wildlife pictures are taken in nature reserves. In this particular video, I also added a few taken at an owl farm because I happened to go there with my son and I wanted to add a couple of extra images to the video.