Bialetti Moka Express vs. Bialetti Venus | Which Moka Pot is Right for You?

[@NegativeCompensation]

Great video. Used both, but finally went with the Venus line, of which I have two now. Been using it with light roast primarily, but based on your video, I will experiment with some medium roast beans to compare. Thanks again for the great information.

[@BusyAngel9999]

How do you make your light roast? (How much you grind, grind size, amount of water and water temp and anything other advice…)

[@NegativeCompensation]

@ Not very scientific. I use a hand grinder usually set around the 1.2.8 setting and about 19 grams of coffee beans for my 4 cup Venus pot. The coffee is organic, light roast Ethiopian Yirgacheffe.

[@BusyAngel9999]

@@NegativeCompensation thank you, will def try this. I have a timemore esp pro

[@mdbfamilyislife]

Excellent video. Very informative. Thanks to your video, I have decided to go with the Venus. I prefer light roast so will add a paper filter, as I would like to avoid aluminum. Again, great video. Thank you for creating. 😊

[@user-ny9kk2pr4z]

Thank you for this video! As a newcomer to the coffee-making hobby, it has clarified so many things for me. I recently got a Moka Express, and I’m absolutely delighted with it!

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I'm very glad I could help you to understand. Keep it up !

[@curious-bo]

Thank you for moka pot videos! For Bialetti Venus 2 cups I use water room temperature, distributed as follows: - into bottom chamber (boiler) -> 90 ml; - into upper chamber (coffee collector) -> 60 ml. I use medium roasted coffee of granularity a little less than finest pour-over. I stop brewing when a little ring of foam builds around the pipe.

[@thesupermegagood]

thanks for the excellent review 👍 it was doubly nice to see because my impressions are completely consistent with yours

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks for the comment and I'm happy we are aligned :)

[@paulmlemay]

I have both. I use the aluminum pot because it's more nostalgic and I love the coffee. I use dark roast and add a paper filter

[@Karla_Finch-Cluff]

I like your depth of explanation, and the side by sides are very appreciated! New Sub from me!☕

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks so much for the comment and the support! I really appreciate it :)

[@Vlad_a450]

I like your ascent!

[@coreycannon4511]

Fascinating. I’ve had a 6-cup Express for 4 years now, it’s how I got into specialty coffee. I’ve thought of getting a Venus because I currently use induction, with a plate and I figured a stainless moka would be easier to clean: put it in the dishwasher and I wouldn’t have to faff around with the steel plate. But since I’m a light roast guy, I think I’ll stick with my Express. Thanks Mateo!

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I'm working on light roast on Venus, so far, not very good. But I never give up

[@thadonwolff9066]

Absolutely love the vids man! Got a 3 & 6 cup express and a 6 cup venus but I've found different results and felt the express was a better brew. I've been using almost boiled (hot) water also, and using the Bialetti vanilla grounds (my absolute favourite coffee - don't judge). Looks like I'll be mucking around with moka's for awhile again testing this out again. Always up for coffee recommendations if anyone has any! Just strong black coffee for me.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks for the comment and for sharing your way to make coffee. Never judge taste in coffee. everyone is free to enjoy any coffee they like. I you like the coffee you make stick with that. Then if you feel to explore, you can tweak the brewing method and see if you can make it better, otherwise, stick with that!

[@bendmymind486]

Ikr… their vanilla is so good. I tend to use maybe 1 part vanilla to 3 parts delicato or whatever non-flavored I have on hand, that way I get just that nice hint of nilla… : ) ☕️

[@thadonwolff9066]

​@@matteofromtheswamps I've just lowered my water level slightly more from the release valve and switched to room temp water again and then on medium heat with the lid up to watch extraction. Once it gets 3/4 complete I take off heat and allow residual heat to complete and pour as soon as bubbles begin which has removed the unwanted bitterness (I don't mind a little). Thanks for the tips though! With a little of your way and a sprinkle of mine, coffee is fantastic! Thanks again man. Best video/channel on mokas and I use an aeropress also! Good stuff.

[@thadonwolff9066]

​@@bendmymind486not a fan of delicato! But you've inspired me to maybe muck around with the mixing of grounds.

[@mickael7778]

Hi Matteo. Thank you it’s the video expected by thousands! I have a 6 cup venus and works very well with 26-27g of dark roasted beens and cold water. I tried boiling water: horrible for me. I am trying a 30$ chinese (Temu) manual grinder with hexagonal steel burr and alloy body, for the price it looks nice, the problem is the small capacity. Have you already tried one ? A manual grinder guide and comparison will be a cool topic for a video from the coffee scientist.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Hi! Thanks for sharing with me your method. I have never tried that grinder. I use manual grinders, but the one I have are a bit pricy for many people. I need to select a few grinders with different price range and then I can do a dedicated video. Thanks for the tip

[@-MacCat-]

Thank you Matteo. We have both and pretty well agree with you, but in our house for our tastes the Moka is the one that gets used the most.

[@MarilynHarding]

Thank you for this - I have a moka pot now. I clean it after use BUT I don't take it all apart as you suggested. I will do that from now on!

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Hi! Thanks for the comment. The most important thing is to remove the parts and dry the pot well.

[@ola_vii]

I have 1 & 3 cup Moka Expresses and 2 cup Venus. Steel has more elegant feel than aluminium. I also noticed that Express pots are made in Italy while Venus is made in China. 2 cup Venus is my most frequently used due to it’s size ☕️ Thanks for the detailed comparison video🙏🏻

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks so much for your comment. No actually the Express are made in Romania.

[@StendhalNORD]

​​​@@matteofromtheswamps Hello! I have been following you from Romania for some time and I wanted to order a moka express, I read your comment and I think that this product is not made in Romania, I see that it is a site from the Czech Republic (GourmetKava) All the best and thank you!

[@CH-yp5by]

For higher extraction use filter paper and only use bottled spring water that has been preheated.

[@Royalbob123]

Interesting. How does filter paper help higher extraction? Thanks .

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Because increases the resistance inside the pot, so the water gain a bit more pressure that helps to extract more without grinding your coffee coarser. It's a good trick. You will also have better filtration but lose a bit of mouthfeel. Always good to try

[@Royalbob123]

@@matteofromtheswamps Got it. Makes sense. Thanks.

[@cp-bx2ek]

I have the moka express, but I’m also going to get the Venus, so I can have different coffee. Thanks Matteo

[@MatMediaTV]

The interesting thing is that if you look on the 2 cup venus box on the front it says 85ml and moka express says 90ml… I gotta say I have been trying to use 85ml (in the venus) with a dark roast and i gotta say i feel like this might help achieve a slightly higher temperature and thus create a slightly better extraction

[@BusyAngel9999]

How much coffee do you grind? Or put in?

[@MatMediaTV]

@BusyAngel9999 12g but I probably grind finer than what you would usually grind for moka close to espresso but still too coarse for espresso. I did try an espresso grind size and then I can fit 14g max but the pressure gets too high and the safety valve just slightly opens to release some steam which isn't the main problem... The main issue with grinding finer is that the pressure is too high and at the end of extraction the water gets way too hot and over extracts the coffee real fast. You do get a slightly thicker and creamier coffee but just slightly even if you do get the extraction just right. So I'd just stick to any grind size that gets the right water temp in your opinion for the coffee you have. The finer grinds give higher temps but you should also put more coffee to compensate for a higher extraction of a hotter water. So really the range of a moka I very very large... Here in the video Matteo uses 11g but in my testing you could potentially fit up to 14g depending on what coffee you use and the grinder you have. But I would still stay away from grinding as fine as possible. If the pressure valve opens even slightly I'd coarsen the grind just in case.

[@BusyAngel9999]

@ thank you so much!

[@pavelkaradzov2058]

I agree. 5:09

[@bonnienichalson5151]

Interesting video:) Very well done ! Easy to understand 👍☕ You have the best coffee ☕ Channel on Utube :)☕👍🎉

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks Bonnie :)

[@andrewelliott1939]

Wonderfully informative. Thank you.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks! :)

[@illy81b]

This was super interesting, I was just thinking about getting a Venus but now I’m hesitant as I usually prefer darker roasts. In my 2 cup Moka Express I use 14,5 grams of coffee. Is that too much?

[@NosztraiAdam]

I have a 4 size version from both and I like the taste of the Moka Express better

[@matteofromtheswamps]

That's good. At the end we all have different tasting preferences. It's important to respect them :)

[@NosztraiAdam]

@matteofromtheswamps I think in Moka Express heat is more easily controlled. I only tried the Venus with induction and in that it is harder to avoid overheating the water.

[@parapos]

great video as usual !! one question though. where do you buy the silicone-ring gasket for the venus 2-cup ? it seems there is no place to buy them from....at least not the correct size as the original one....... all are smaller causing the filter to fall out very easy....

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks for the comment. I actually got it by default. It was already there.

[@1974Carnage]

Great, am looking to get a new moko, so will look at a venus

[@raphaelsoares9850]

I have a 6-cup-Venus and a 4-cup-Express Moka Pot. They both delivery the same amount of coffee in the cup, despite the cup sizes.

[@Braxant]

Wtf? I was thinking of buying the 6 cup venus and I already have a 3 cup rehular one

[@paulthebored6782]

Great, have you tried using the E&B lab filter for the 3-cup moka with a stainless steel moka? I was thinking about getting myself a stainless steel moka, but I want to keep using the E&B lab filter (btw, have you checked on Lavazza new moka? It uses a filter with a design close to the E&B lab filter).

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Venus doesn't do 3 cups, they do 2, 4 and above. I didn't like it on venus because the filter then it's hard to take out. I mention this on the Venus dedicated video here on my channel. About Lavazza you mean the Carmencita Pro? I already made a video about that talking about the new filter

[@nikoulph]

Grazie per la video! Mi sarebbe piaciuto sapere se hai mai sentito parlare della 9Barista ? Le recensioni sembrano ottime, ma una recensione italiana fatta da un italiano proprio non si trova...

[@CharlieWellness]

Awesome vid, Matteo!!! How can we use this information to brew better coffee with the Moka Express? How can you lessen the harsh mouth feel and aftertaste?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Hi! Thanks for the comment. I actually made several videos here on my channel about that. From basic info, to very detailed ones. Also more will come

[@andreyogogo]

Cool!

[@rubenmusto]

Thank for the video: how do you think these compare to the Lavazza Carmencita?

[@dperreno]

Cast aluminum is much weaker than steel, which is why the Al pot is so much thicker. I have the Venus as it can be used on an induction cooktop, while the Al moka pot cannot.

[@genericusername5909]

I have a 6p venus but can not fit the recommended grams of coffee in it without tamping it too much

[@Catcrumbs]

3:45 The thermal conductivities of aluminium and stainless steel are very different. Aluminium is almost ten times as conductive as stainless. Is the base of the Moka over ten times as thick as the Venus?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Actually is more than 10 times Aluminium is 237 W m−1 K−1 and stainless steel 18/10 is 15 W m−1 K−1. But also you need to count the fact the the thermal stability of aluminium is lower than steel. Radiate heat faster than steel

[@AngelBPR]

What if you use boiling water on the Venus?

[@timo7641]

so what happen if we put competition filter in Venus with filter paper? very clean moka pot coffee?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Yes, definitely very clean.

[@davidturchi-u2l]

EB special. What do you think of Giannini moka pots Matteo?

[@IgorM102]

Hi Mateo, how are these two compared to a brikka ? Which one of them would you recomend ?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Brikka is a bit different to honest because it has that pressure valve on top that change the dynamic. Higher pressure inside the moka. So it's hard to compare. with Brikka you achieve a more extracted coffee, that's why they suggest lower amount of water in the boiler. To get more concentrated coffee

[@IgorM102]

@matteofromtheswamps ok thanks

[@IgorM102]

@@matteofromtheswamps Matteo i went with the Bialetti express 6 cup, do you think it needs a litle coarser grind settings?

[@IgorM102]

@@matteofromtheswamps Sometimes it sputters to early. I tried on medium and high settings on an electric stove and i think it works better on higher heat, still didnt try on low heat, maybe i should give it a shot? Im not shure about the grind size neither. My grinder has 47 grind setings. From 0 to 16 espresso From 16 to 32 drip, pur over From 32 to 47 french press Do you think i should stick to espresso range?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

@@IgorM102 you can check this video I made about the 6 cups. It might be helpful kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XaqoyNe7-igZo

[@n6rcan]

Interesting 🎉

[@InsaneOrder]

I have 4 Moka Expresses (3 different sizes, 1 older tech brikka). Recently I upgraded my 6 cups version with the E&B labs filter but still have to dial everything in. I never really considered the Venus. Don‘t know why. Probably looks 😂 Maybe I‘ll switch to one after this video

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Hi! Thanks for the comment. Yeah I agree with you about the look 😂

[@georgec8501]

Can you please review the bialetti musa moka pot.

[@nex8686]

With E&B lab filter, which one would you then choose 🤔?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

As I explain in the Venus video, the E&B lab filter with that 2 cups is hell to take it out, so for me it's a no go. I also thing that filter make more sense on a Moka Express

[@nex8686]

15clicks on C40, and E&B lab filter makes a nice clean cup on the moka express😉👌

[@simonw4304]

I have these in both my moka express and Venus. Both work just fine, and are a step up from the originals. Considering that you then have both pots with the same filter, the filter is no longer a part of the comparison - the outcomes in the video remain as they are.

[@maarten079]

Venus

[@DJProPlusMax]

But if the filter screens are different, the body is always going to be different! I want to see the test done again, but with the screens swapped or the same screen between both.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

This is a comparison based on how the moka are coming out from the box and not about having the same filter mesh. It's different because the pots are different. material, shape, basket filter. Everything is different. The test was trying the same coffee with same grind size, water, etc. in two different pots and compare the outcome.

[@joffrey6831]

Wait, your manual grinder costs 300€ ?! 😳

[@matteofromtheswamps]

It should cost a bit less than 300 but yeah. Quality costs unfortunately. I got it in 2018 and still grind at its best. Good long time investment. Also the grinder is the most important tool in coffee making

[@TheDoctor46vr]

@@matteofromtheswamps Do you have a budget recommendation for a grinder?

[@ognjenstepanovic7449]

I am really disappointed about the outcome of this video because I own and love my Moka Pot, but it seems that Venus is more for my taste since I prefer darker roast. Venus has a somewhat gentle appearance whereas Moka Pot has that "Man's man" appearance that I love.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

You don't have to be disappointed. You can still get the coffee you like with the express. Place less water in the moka express to get a more balance cup from your dark roasted coffee

[@ognjenstepanovic7449]

@@matteofromtheswamps thanx for the tip.

[@neilholland2916]

More water left in the boiler of the Venus translates to less sediment ending up in the cup, which explains the taste difference between the two. Proper Mocha Pot technique actually includes removing the Pot from the heat as soon as the water begins to spit out of the opening. This results in less sediment and a better tasting result. Some people even run the boiler under cold water to stop the boiling, but I find that by carefully timing the removal from heat it's not necessary.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

ok, that is not correct. You can have more sediment even with less water. It mainly depends on how you place the coffee in the basket. coffee puck in the moka as it happens for espresso, it's self filtrating, so when it's well packed reduce the chances to have sediments in the cup. I already made a video about that here on the channel. Here I'm not talking about sediments, I'm talking about different kind of extraction that I explain right after. About the removing the moka pot from the stove, yes, good, but when you make a good moka pot the coffee never spits

[@walteryassudamota4279]

I can see the "negroni kit" 🤣🤣🤣😂😂

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Never run out of that 😂

[@quesadilla79]

Venus is harder to clean up

[@coreycannon4511]

Is it? I would have thought that since it’s stainless steel, you could run it in the dishwasher.

[@mphsb]

I'd only use stainless steel

[@simonw4304]

I've found it easier to clean my stainless mokas, than my aluminium ones.