Pantorouter comparison

[@boldger13]

Your videos are like Christmas presents to a kid! Thank you Matthias Wandel!

[@donmiller8712]

Hi Matthias! I've always enjoyed your ingenuity and videos. I am happy to see your design is the basis for the commercial panto router. Best of luck!

[@johnnyq90]

Really beautiful looking machines! Thanks for posting:)

[@JohnHeisz]

I'm hosting a creepy laugh seminar at my shop this Tuesday, you are welcome to come.

[@MiguelAngel-wf1uv]

No va a poder llegar a tu cita ya que ese martes tiene una reunion de risas forzadas y etupidas.

[@JT_India]

The aluminium one looks top notch. It looks like inspired by Mathias router, so much that it looks like a copy. I think it's a good improvement but price seems prohibitive. If these machines get cheaper , more workshops will be able to have these. Good work.

[@Creeperboy099]

Miguel Angel no hablo espanol we speak English

[@JasonBarre]

This video just gave me a idea on how to solve a woodworking engineering problem I've been struggling with for a while

[@erkdistefano2043]

I like metal more than wood usually, but it is apparent that you built that older pantorouter with some damn fine woodworking.

[@ClownWhisper]

As far as mounting bearings onto shafts. If you use the green aircraft grade loctite, believe it or not you will almost destroy the bearing trying to get it off. Actually you typically do destroy it removing it. If you want i can go out into my garage and find the Loctite number. Its expensive but you can buy tiny bottles of it. I have a few ounces that have lasted me 10 years so far. I even use the stuff to mount small flanged bearings into hardwood and they NEVER break loose. Its also nice for setting nuts onto threaded shafts in set positions. you have to take a blow torch to them to remove them if you find the need.

[@davidmcgrath6507]

I appreciate how careful you are in all your designs to make sure to only require tools we would likely have.

[@РоманСкибицький]

Я давно считаю Вас Великим Мастером . Вы просто гений . Спасибо , что делитесь своими идеями с широким кругом публики .

[@IdeiasemadeiraBlogspot]

Mr Wandel really are incredible equipment but still prefer what made wood because it shows all his genius and so am your fan. As for alumunio pantograph is to perform a job with perfection. Congratulations on your purchase.

[@martincarlberg9671]

Love the end of the episode! :D

[@petercollin5670]

I'm curious if you could run both at the same time, making a copy.

[@tubalcain1]

I think it's time for a 3rd machine ..... bigger and better!! Happy New Year Matthias!

[@samaradella]

It's always nice to watch your videos dude ... but it's never satisfying unless I see machines in action. Keep it up

[@vanguardcycle]

Matthias, new subscriber here. loving your videos man, really well done across the board. i'm sure someone has mentioned this but roller bearings can be ordered in almost limitless id and od in both metric and imperial, precision ground drill rod as well, through mcmaster or the like. get rod that is .001" oversized for your bearing id and simply press on with a clamp. sticking the rod in the freezer overnight helps as well as gentle heat on the bearing race and a drop of green locktite. thanks again for the videos and keep up the great work

[@maheshsharma9294]

Wooden pentorouter machine price india

[@Crlarl]

You should get another one for your bedroom. Put one in your bathroom too.

[@skaterzero807]

If you are still considering the shaft + bearing addition, you can always try putting the shaft in the freezer and heating the bearing with a heat gun or hair dryer. As long as the shaft was slightly too large at room temp and now fits when cold, it should lock in well once returned to room temp

[@terrytuite8947]

I am jealous of your 2 pantarouter machines. love the diabolical laugh. I really enjoy your work.

[@GreningerProductions]

Ran across a video I think it's in your archives, of a guy in Ireland who was using dual pantographs to carve wood frames for mirrors. Still waiting on the CNC pantorouter, look forward to seeing someone build one of those. Apparently there are these speed screws you can buy so that the system operates as fast as the commercial ones do.

[@Mixmix5323]

Couldn't you make a longer shaft for the bearing guide so the router doesn't hit the brackets? Or make a C channel that the router can fit thru?

[@Aristocob]

Great video review and awesome Easter Egg at the end.

[@chuckbeck5518]

The end of this video earned my immediate subscription. Also, it seems like I can learn a lot from you. Kudos, sir.

[@tylerlhotta7317]

Do you think it is possible to make a small pantorouter on your pantorouter?

[@AliKemp1]

Matthias I have had a lot of success of mounting a bearing on a metal shaft. Make sure the shaft fits the bearing snugly, saw a few shallow groves in the shaft, use Pratley Steel for assembly. Once dry it is quite sound and because there is not a big load on the bearing, it lasts. I used the same method in construction of the machine lifts which I also built according to your design!

[@matthiaswandel]

If the bearing fits snug, it's easy. The problem is you need a metal lathe to make the bushing to go between the bearing and the shaft.

[@gjdewald]

Matthias Wandel Does the bushing have to be metal?

[@12345NoNamesLeft]

Matthias Wandel Precision ground drill rod is on size and will do a nice easy press fit onto a bearing. 3/8" rod is still pretty cheap too. and bearing R62RS 3/8"id x 7/8"od fits $8 for 36" of rod and $2 for a bearing "SR6/1-OD Radial Bearings" will give you a 1" OD on the same 3/8" shaft No machining needed, Hacksaw the rod to length to cut it, file or sander to chamfer and smooth the edges. It presses in with a vise. You can do the same with metric sizes too. The cheapest import bearings are fine, for this stuff.

[@Rickmakes]

Kreg Automaxx clamps are a good alternative to the Bessey clamps. MrBigerock on KZbin has a video where he compares the two.

[@raindogred]

So when can we expect to see the plans for the metal version??

[@matthiaswandel]

+raindogred never

[@raindogred]

+Matthias Wandel i geuss could figure it out from your plan. That t slot aluminium is pretty easy to work with..like a big mechano set

[@amirs5512]

It's actually cos someone else is making and selling the metal pantograph

[@OgMandin0]

Was this a purchase or a manufacturer evaluation provided unit? Reason I ask is your DIY unit works *so very well* and you usually do not spend recklessly (=A GOOD THING!!!)

[@MetalMario137]

The DIY machine is the first/original Pantorouter. Kuldeep made the metal pantorouter after seeing the wooden one and began mass-production procedures. He sent Matthias this metal one for free.

[@Captleemo]

I feel like I,m going to KZbin university. This stuff is just amazing.

[@juniorlucas870]

Matthias, I wonder if their creations are available in textbooks or manuals. If you have, I would adiquirir, it would be possible?

[@ponyta1l1952]

hi Mathias , like your videos always informative and good structure to them. have you tried copying a metal gear with your pan router ? would make an interesting video.

[@callumrobertson1081]

Do you think you would be able to make your own extended toggle clamps?

[@DBYNOE]

Hmmm, why can't you just use the PR to place a small round tenon on the end of a hardwood dowel then screw a bearing onto the end? Is it a mater of stiffness? I still think the wooden one has more charm, between that and your bandsaws I am still amazed at what you do with wood...

[@nelsonfranciscodesuoza7707]

Where do I buy the kit I'm from Brazil how to buy

[@postholedigger8726]

Matthias, Does the pantagraph portion of the machine use bushings or is it steel rubbing on aluminum? david

[@Dave5843-d9m]

For swapping over your template followers, you could use some brass tube to make a roller. For example, 6mm bore x 8mm OD can simply slide it onto your bolt.

[@Woodentoolcompany2]

They are both very nice machines but I think I'd pick the metal one. Buddy did some job making it. I'm guessing he bought your plans and went off them to make it. It's got some nice features that make it more user friendly.

[@nobuckle40]

If you are seeking to incite jealousy, you have succeeded. The precision that is obtained with both machines is very impressive. The tool maker in me would prompt me to purchase the aluminum pantarouter. The tool maker in me would also prompt me to build the wood one, just for the challenge to see how accurately I could make it.

[@elterrogerio3685]

Olá amigo, como é o nome deste furador? Você tem o projeto ou manual de peças deste de alumínio, quero fazer um pra mim, estou querendo montar uma oficina pra mim e quero fazer minhas próprias maquinas, me escrevi em sua pagina e curto muito seu trabalho!!!

[@CarlosVazquez-ng1ni]

Where do buy the metal pantorouter?

[@tuoppi42]

You could make an fitting sleeve from brass for that bearing/rod. Or maybe from some hardwood - it would fit your style, building wooden machinery and all.

[@bradward2499]

What if you made a mortis out of the metal one and a tennin with the wood one

[@JeffFischer1]

Matthias, if your extrusion has an opening of .320 like our VSC fence then you can use Festool quick clamps to hold anything you want to that slotted table. Very fast and much easier.

[@matthiaswandel]

I think the festool clamps are much wider than the slots.

[@nobuckle40]

While Festool quick clamps are a great alternative, I think that cost could be an issue. At least for me it would be.

[@RoboticsNShenanigans]

I have zero pantorouter machines.... :(

[@wimterbonssen1481]

[@DBYNOE]

Only two, I always thought that you guys always built it once as a proof of concept, then once as you filmed it, add in the one from the excellent metal redesign, that should be at least three. What happened to the first one?

[@TheeAirworks]

to mount the bearing on the shaft , you can score/scuff/bur the shaft with dremel so the fitting shaft has burs to grab it and ,use a press to press on , . also , use some thread lock, the super stuff..... will freeze em right on.also have to the option of the liquid JB weld.

[@duncandwelle4247]

Thanks!

[@MarkJohnson-px9xb]

Love your videos so thank you for sharing. Have you build / designed a router lathe? Its my next project (after finishing Christmas projects/gifts)

[@martinsaab6717]

what kind of wood have you used for building it?

[@edwardtse8631]

Did they pay you to make a metal one completely like your design?

[@一支草-y3o]

嗨～哈囉！你好！木工大師～請問這台機器台灣哪裡可以買的到呢？謝謝

[@tekoppentekoppen761]

Really enjoy your videos. Learning by doing at it's best. Best of luck man!

[@jyothishsurendran7148]

Sir, This pantorouter drawing is available now

[@BeeRich33]

What kind of routers are inserted into these?

[@luigipelliccia6959]

matthias where are buy product your make in italy very tank

[@juraciaparecidofrata9093]

como adquirir esses tipos de pantografo?

[@malcolmoxley1274]

I love the new one but the wooden one you built is still the best,as for the laugh at the end,well I dont blame you,all the best

[@arularoem9825]

How much Aluminium Broo?

[@JosePerez-zm9xx]

AMIGO COMO LO HICISTE TENDRAS UN VIDEO QUE LO EXPLIQUE SALUDOS Y FELICIDADES DESDE VENEZUELA!

[@mampagal6467]

BUENAS TARDES DONDE SE PUEDE COMPRAR LA MAQUINA EN ESPAÑA ?

[@luigipelliccia6959]

matthias what motor for this pantarouter tags u.s.a. tank you

[@matthiaswandel]

+luigi pelliccia Just a router with a removable base

[@23nikon]

what motor are using in your pantorouter?

[@Jaboney69]

Well that just sold me on the commercial Panto-Router! I'm utterly amazed at the time & effort he wastes renderng' tools' in cheap wood that have already been designed better by others in durable wood. In effect, he just made a compelling argument for not wasting time with plywood, hand-made cranks or drawer slides. He's a complete dork. A very nice, intelligent dork....... but a total dork nonetheless!

[@MrStrizver]

Just because the value judgement for *you* is to spend the money for the commercial product in no way supports your assertion that Matthias "wasted" his time and effort building one. For others, greater value is put on the pride of building something beautiful, functional, and inexpensively.

[@Jaboney69]

MrStrizver I appreciate and respect your opinion. Yet, if you really listen closely to what Mr. Wandell says, he himself essentially all but negates most the value of his wooden version. It's like building a wooden wheel that isn't particularly round, even though a perfectly round wheel can be had. It allows USE of the tool for something, rather than simply spend time and effort, only to make an inferior tool. I understand and support the "Journey, not Destination" point of view. It's just that sometimes, it's more useful to actually get somewhere.

[@MrStrizver]

***** Guess we'll just disagree. I did listen to Mr Wandell. He said, "I guess the biggest difference is one of time and money" (6:22 in). $60 vs >$600 and a lot of time vs mere minutes. Additionally, with a few design tweeks his homemade machine could easily incorporate the commercial version's features. I think that a $600+ savings can't be so easily dismissed; the feature deficiencies are not that great. Multiply this by 10 tools, and a woodworker has saved $6,000--definitely not insignificant. In case you haven't watched any of his other vids, he does use his machines, including this one. They are quite functional and do "actually get you somewhere".

[@bobberw7322]

***** I think you have it wrong. The metal design was based on Mr Wandell's original design. See the post from Andreas Ihring... We wouldn't have the option of a manufactured metal one (@ >$600) if it weren't for the time and expertise of Mr. Wandell in making the wooden one first. If you have the necessary tools and wish to spend the time fabricating your own, you could save the ~$500. What's the materials and your time worth to you? Besides, then you could say that you have made something that in turn makes something.

[@samuelpincay5561]

Estimado Matthias como podria conseguir un pantorouter

[@mrgodfatherful]

+samuel pincay El no vende la maquina pero ofrece los planos para que la construyas tu, los planos los encuentras en su pagina. La otra opcion seria comprar la de aluminio que viene desde Japon y la pagina es la siguiente. woodgears.ca/pantorouter/kulde...

[@uselessquadrat8598]

do u have video y o build it?

[@menonaskatgmail]

Matthias you are an inspiration

[@Ray_Sellner]

Wait, what? 4:00 I think you can press the shaft into the bearing sir.

[@ghe426]

Matthias didn't you invent this Pantorouter?

[@Germanwtb]

+ghe426 he did ( i think )

[@ghe426]

+Germanwtb .....Thanks.

[@Germanwtb]

+ghe426 OK i know for sure now. It says so on his website.

[@robsnook4512]

+ghe426 And someone ripped it off

[@TheBrentieman]

+robsnook4512 Matthias worked together with Kuldeep Singh to develop the metal one. Not at all a rip off

[@Peekul1]

This is your invention? Did the manufacturer pay you for it? Amazing stuff.

[@niklasgrenz2380]

When the main link is 24cm than the main link is only 12cm? or not?

[@matthiaswandel]

one linke 12, the other 24

[@niklasgrenz2380]

Matthias Wandel Thank you good videos you have a lot of Talent👍

[@dreadcat7756]

Psssssttt... Mathias, have I got a pantorouter for you! lol What you really need is another pantorouter! Good video.

[@00101110o]

To get a bearing on a metal rod, you either heat the bearing up with a propane torch and jam it on the rod or simply jam it on the rod without heating it. You could also use a bolt through the bearing and hold it in with nuts.

[@matthiaswandel]

You assume the hole in the bearing is the same size as the rod.

[@TheEvanovitch]

Matthias Wandel its very very simple, just use the JB weld stuff for metal, since theres no real pressure on the bearing it will stay on with ease, if the hole is not the same size, shim it, and also put jb weld on the shims. it wont hold on if you put high pressure on it, but you're just using it to follow a template, so it will work

[@12345NoNamesLeft]

Matthias Wandel Precision ground drill rod is on size and will do a nice easy press fit onto a bearing. 3/8" rod is still pretty cheap too. and bearing R62RS 3/8"id x 7/8"od fits $8 for 36" of rod and $2 for a bearing "SR6/1-OD Radial Bearings" will give you a 1" OD on the same 3/8" shaft No machining needed, Hacksaw the rod to length to cut it, file or sander to chamfer and smooth the edges. It presses in with a vise. You can do the same with metric sizes too. The cheapest import bearings are fine, for this stuff. He integrated some nice features into that machine.

[@BigFatTonys]

Or use a long screw that snugly fits the inside of the bearing and using a file and a lathe or drill turn the protruding part of the screw down to the size needed. But, as I wrote at first, this entire thread is afflicted with the dreaded N.I.H. syndrome

[@joaobereta9657]

Muinto inteligente,seus inventos são muinto uteis, ja te acompanho a muinto tempo,gostei muinto da tua pessoa, pois sabe dividir os teus conhecimento com os outros, um abraço fique com DEUS.

[@tu92x1]

Where can i buy this? .I'm from VietNam.Thanks

[@matthiaswandel]

hybridpantorouter.com

[@tu92x1]

Thanks for reply.

[@constantdenis6976]

Matthias Wandel et

[@randolfdiaz3590]

Hola soy de republica dominicana necesito saber como y donde puedo comprar los plano del pantorouter

[@ottoreuter6279]

Seems like a lot of effort just to plot trouser coordinates. Or to direct said trousers' traffic. Love your videos as always!

[@severinomatias7330]

Todos teus projetos são incrivéis , tinha como detalhar melhor a medida onde fica o motor.

[@francocadena3093]

being smart as you are is not that simple issue , there are many people here( in youtube) tryin to be smart and getting all the ligths on them , but you are smart Mathias , thank for sharing what you know , by the way i 'd like to get one of your Pantorouter( aluminum )

[@nelsonfranciscodesuoza7707]

How to buy

[@michaelcsontos9967]

About 30 years ago I saw the original version of a "pantorouter" made by woodtek. Which is not made anymore. Are you aware of it? The yellow templates were made of plastic.

[@matthiaswandel]

Not aware of this. Did it use a pantograph? If not, it's not the same machine.

[@michaelcsontos9967]

It used templates about the same as yours - on the top followed by a stylus. It did mortises, box joints, dovetails, etc. I do remember a joystick as well. That's all I can remember. I thought it was where you got the idea. I used to get Woodtek catalogs that's how I knew about it. Keep up the good videos.

[@ghislainlatulippe6959]

Hi! L want to know if you are the creator of the pantorouter? And if it possible to buy the pantorouter in metal build Thank and sorry for my english because am french guy.

[@seigeengine]

It's possible to buy the metal pantorouter through Matthias' site by finding the page with contact info. I'd suggest starting with the hyperlink in the description.

[@boldger13]

Matthias Wandel has two pantorouter machines!!! Aha ha ha ha haa...!!!

[@wangus]

Two! Ahahahahaha!

[@boldger13]

Now three.

[@coalitionofrob436]

Maxwell Goodacre now 4

[@danielgrau3064]

The Count from Sesame Street. That's why I like you Matthias.

[@onesimo5962]

donde puedo comprar el de metal. soy de mexico

[@sulpiciomoslarez1383]

Sir i buy your homemade pantorouter how much the price ?

[@isakwatz11]

Sulpicio Moslarez A lot more than buying a metal one... And I'm sure Matthias won't be making pantorouters anytime soon.

[@DJzSith]

Wow, those machines really are similar, guess geniuses think alike. :D

[@andreas86]

Someone made a metal version from his plans, and sells them. it's really all Wandel design :D

[@CrawfordAutomation]

Andreas Ihring That is correct, Mr. Kuldeep used Mr. Wandel's design and even offered to pay royalties for it. Matthias decided to just have him send a free pantorouter when the royalty owed equaled the cost. Genius' are very rarely so kind and honorable.

[@burnerjack01]

Evipicc Tesla was quite kind to George Westinghouse, but yeah, not typical. Like the song says "Money changes everything."

[@SteveSam66]

I have 2 pantorouter machines. ah ha ha ha ha.. Matthias, you crack me up ! Happy Holidays

[@irpl2009]

como fazer pera comprar um pantorouter e qual o valor

[@vuhuyle9249]

How can i buy it?

[@DV-em3bl]

me too

[@samialmarzouqi8818]

Mr.matthias can i buy this Pantorouter but i do not have master cart . i have cash mony

[@woodsprout]

I am not Matthias, but maybe you can contact the maker of the metal Pantorouter for payment options. Other Pantorouter videos will lead to a link to inquire.

[@SCGili710]

I love how you have a fortune worth of (mostly self-built) equipment in your shop, but you don't have a metric square :D

[@frenchchedder]

Your the man! I'm a big fan

[@simonduzz]

This dude is my new hero.

[@erivaldomarcos8035]

voce faz o que muitos nao, Eu nao tenho condiçoes de comprar uma maquina dessa, mais tenho condições de fazer uma dessa sua. muito obrigado.

[@mrcutfish]

and a good family and you live in Canada . rub it in, just keep making the interesting videos and will still love you. tool snob

[@antonioluis5954]

Matthias voce também é super profissional parabéns.

[@youtubasoarus]

Didn't expect the end. Glad I waited half a second. Hahahaha.

[@maysavitoria4328]

Como fazer para comprar uma

[@zhaidansari1194]

How much Price

[@tygrahof9268]

Well, since your home made one is so nice you won't mind giving away the metal one, right?! LOL It is very commendable to see that the one you constructed out of your mind is nearly as good as the one constructed over a long time with a crew of people. Just goes to show that some times 'winging it' can be just as useful. Plus you saved a fortune! The new ones are $1,900 plus any accessories!!! Ouch!

[@wi11y1960]

You have three! The regular, the XL and the metal!