"FXRT Style" 2020 Low Rider S Harley-Davidson Build with Thunder Header Exhaust

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Matt Laidlaw

Matt Laidlaw

Күн бұрын

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@james82744
@james82744 4 жыл бұрын
Not tired of the builds, I am still diggin them :-)
@ryanm.9197
@ryanm.9197 4 жыл бұрын
Now this is my kind of bike. Nice build! That fairing has really grown on me on these M8s.
@thomascarpenter7415
@thomascarpenter7415 2 жыл бұрын
Matt , that Thunderheader says “ I’m here ! “ Jed has got a very nice scoot , well laid out !
@lazzyrj1
@lazzyrj1 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are still the “ KINGS” .
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! 👑
@thepieman2742
@thepieman2742 4 жыл бұрын
The integrated turn signals are excellent! Totally cleans up the front. The cops siren 🚨 was GOLD! Like here we go another ticket for our boy Matt 😬 but not today 😎... we good!!!
@rickwoodruff937
@rickwoodruff937 4 жыл бұрын
Never get tired of the fxrt styling Matt. Just needs the fxrt baggs to complete
@lazzyrj1
@lazzyrj1 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I can get tired of your builds . In my opinion you guys are still the kings. 👑
@frank118
@frank118 4 жыл бұрын
Keep these custom bike builds coming! Harley has never built better bikes and these custom builds show exactly why H-D remains #1.
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Neocleese
@Neocleese 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice bike. That style has really grown on me and you can never go wrong with a black bike. Thanks Matt for sharing.
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Clint
@jrobdt
@jrobdt 4 жыл бұрын
Never gets old if these builds still looking forward to get my fairing for my lowrider s 2020
@61espo
@61espo 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve bough 3 bikes from Laidlaws! Still have them all! Next one is a Tri-Glide.. best dealership I’ve ever done business with hands down!!
@PrivateUsername
@PrivateUsername 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Brad, they got your pegs on here! Killer bike! Now to remove all the truck bed liner spray-on black from the trees, primary, and fender struts.
@Earth_wind_dan_fire
@Earth_wind_dan_fire 4 жыл бұрын
Really dig it man. Your videos always inspired me, and I'm happy to say it's been 3 years now since I've had a 02' Dyna Low Rider. Happy with it but always thinking on what's next, this setup always caught my eye
@elibrady2407
@elibrady2407 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, Amazing builds. I have a low rider S and would like to live close to a dealership like you to customize my bike. You guys represent the direction Harley should go. Congrats and thank you for the great content.
@mrlucky74
@mrlucky74 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully with the new CEO making big changes and sales driven he will notice what is going on in the industry. Harley could take the sport glide, which is the original name of the first FXRT, and place the FXRT fairing on it instead of the Rick Doss fairing from the early 90's. The only other things it would need is dual disk in the front and different wheels. That would be a great platform to start a build with for less than $20k. Maybe they will listen to the dealers and the public, and see what everyone is asking for. Not everyone wants a big dresser with all the weight.
@iancrandall9803
@iancrandall9803 4 жыл бұрын
I definitely feel you should shoot some of the older bikes in the collection, a lot of the M8s and touring bikes a similar in terms of ride. I wanna see you post about some of the older bikes and how they compare to today’s bikes etc.
@since95hd23
@since95hd23 4 жыл бұрын
Bro.... you living in the past!
@coinop12
@coinop12 4 жыл бұрын
I understand where He's coming from,,,the new bikes ARE pretty similar,but you have to understand,,Laidlaws sells NEW bikes,,,so there you go...I have me a custom 2020 RGS W/ 131 and a 2020 custom sport glide,,almost the same as above,,love both of them!!
@iancrandall9803
@iancrandall9803 4 жыл бұрын
George Ash only reason I recommend he do videos on some older bikes is cause the family have a collection of old bikes which would be cool to see. It’s content after all. He’s done videos on almost all of the new M8’s. I own an 18 Fat Bob so I liked watching them but he asked for suggestions on new content. It doesn’t hurt to see some classics.
@coinop12
@coinop12 4 жыл бұрын
@@iancrandall9803 Agreed!!
@roymoderatto
@roymoderatto 4 жыл бұрын
Smart upgrades/ specs! Modern day FXR, for sure! ⚡️
@Jay-mq8yh
@Jay-mq8yh 4 жыл бұрын
Lol the fairing didn’t make the FXR, the frame did. This bike looks kinda cool but that’s about it, that bike handles like shit compared to the one and only FXR!
@roymoderatto
@roymoderatto 4 жыл бұрын
I know. I ride an ‘85 FXRP and ‘86 FXRS... but this Lowrider S is the closest they’ve come so far to the FXR. I have to admit that you have to get upgraded suspension and drivetrain to be able to still beat this model. I wouldn’t mind having this bike alongside my two babies! 🤘🏻
@fixatroll5406
@fixatroll5406 4 жыл бұрын
Some guys get to have all the fun!!!
@ntdfmaverick
@ntdfmaverick 4 жыл бұрын
Not at all tired of these, haha, at all! Looks awesome with that taller rear suspension. Looks appropriate. Almost makes me think I'm looking at an FXR. And also, nice to see the new Thunderheader on one. I hear the new ones are really awesome! Thanks.
@brianallison8700
@brianallison8700 8 ай бұрын
Looking for a Road King Special ST Video ! Thanks Matt! Love the videos!
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 8 ай бұрын
Well there is no Road King ST but I posted a road king special video recently.
@streetbikes101
@streetbikes101 4 жыл бұрын
Never get tired of seeing these bikes! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@xpowder_monkeyx7417
@xpowder_monkeyx7417 3 жыл бұрын
Love this set up. Every thing about this bike screams me!!
@mgelliott1
@mgelliott1 4 жыл бұрын
After watching tons of your (always excellent) review videos, I wonder why Harley allows $$$ to flow to competitors. If suspension upgrades are THAT noticeable, and many folk do at least the rears, HD should offer a suspension stage 1 (rear) and stage 2 (front and rear) and install the good stuff at the factory. Or release a CVO version with better suspension?
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
I think every make and model I’ve ever ridden could benefit from suspension, most of them much more than the new softails. The new softails actually have really good stock suspension. Theres a couple KTM dirt bikes that I wouldn’t upgrade suspension on. Anyways unless the price tag is way up there all bikes have room for improvement. Most the bikes I feature on my channel are scenarios where the owners spared no expense and went “all-in” in different aspects of the customization. The way this bike feels going down the freeway is better than just about any stock bike out there except maybe if you went to a Goldwing or other full dresser. Then you’re buying a “touring” bike. Any mid-size cruiser in the world, this bike is going to have a far superior ride. So comparing stock to stock in its class no one is better. What I would like to see is HD go to the extreme with a CVO performance bagger and do like full Ohlins with an inverted front end etc.
@drez237
@drez237 4 жыл бұрын
Classic, stripped-down builds would be SICK... at least until the new models come out... if we ever make it to 2021~ Absolutely enjoy your vlogs Matt! Thank you!🤘🏿🤙🏿
@evil_musclemuscled3814
@evil_musclemuscled3814 4 жыл бұрын
What would be nice once in a while is showing a vintage bike and how I'm it's time had something new coming out on it's year . Maybe compare the bike to today's bike just to show how things have come along . I still ride my shovelhead to this day and I compare it to newer bikes . Still appreciating the older bikes and newer making advancements over the years .
@iancrandall9803
@iancrandall9803 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve thought about trading in my 18 Fat Bob for a Low Rider S, this one is pretty cool!
@turtle19dad
@turtle19dad 4 жыл бұрын
Man I want that FXRT fairing for the FXLRS!!!!!!
@iancrandall9803
@iancrandall9803 4 жыл бұрын
satchelSCROLL I can’t afford to have 2 but I wish I could! I love my Fat Bob but I love the larger tank on the low rider.
@iancrandall9803
@iancrandall9803 4 жыл бұрын
satchelSCROLL i do love my fat bob, I’ve put over 25k miles on her in the last two years no issues at all.
@ntdfmaverick
@ntdfmaverick 4 жыл бұрын
Fat bob is also sick.
@bigf1502
@bigf1502 4 жыл бұрын
@@ntdfmaverick ...Torn between the two myself.
@travisbickle131
@travisbickle131 4 жыл бұрын
Love the newer builds as well as classic bikes, definitely mix it up. Great upload as always.
@ka-bar5060
@ka-bar5060 4 жыл бұрын
Get tired of custom Harley builds??? Are you insane??!! Keep'em coming Matt!
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Haha. Sorry dumb question. I’ll keep them coming.
@glennmurray4034
@glennmurray4034 2 жыл бұрын
I have a built 2020 LRS, 131, Memphis Shades fairing, custom paint TBR pipe etc etc, also have a CVO and have to sell one bike. I do not tour much and haul a bike around with me in my 5th wheel and do short rides, day trips etc or commute to work. I am thinking of selling my CVO and doing some more upgrades on my LRS with a RWD fairing, killer sound system and Sportglide bags. My LRS is fun with the 131 and enjoy the hell out it. So I am thinking this maybe the bike to keep and have a really cool built/custom bike.
@Icybones000
@Icybones000 2 жыл бұрын
May have you already have done a build but a Road King set up with those bars and fairing would look great.
@bradwilliams4921
@bradwilliams4921 4 жыл бұрын
Jed’s got a nice FXR!
@carlosuribe9006
@carlosuribe9006 4 жыл бұрын
Matt you're getting too good at editing these videos, i said dam this guy got another ticket. By the way sick bike kudos on with the thunder
@hdevr
@hdevr 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a 19 Street Glide owner and love it! That bike is nice too I'm just more of a bagger fan.
@MEGLADAD
@MEGLADAD 4 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done👌
@itemps
@itemps 4 жыл бұрын
Id love to see an old early 80's fxr with a built motor
@soorajsaikumar
@soorajsaikumar 4 жыл бұрын
Right now, after watching this..im hoping HD don't leave the Indian market 🙏🏼
@bubbab8222
@bubbab8222 4 жыл бұрын
Freaking legend man. Makes me want my low rider back....
@daibish86
@daibish86 4 жыл бұрын
Love to see more performance bagger builds. Loving my Softail street bob at the moment but will definitely get into the bagger world in a few years 👌🏼
@FXFBS540
@FXFBS540 4 жыл бұрын
Like do something like that for my FXFBS eventually. I would just have a hard time changing out my headlight. It looks badass, and works too well to replace.
@rawdawgg_
@rawdawgg_ 4 жыл бұрын
Great choice with Thunderheader. 2nd choice would've been D&D.. and great choice with Westcoast Tbars. Def the best 🤘
@superduty131
@superduty131 4 жыл бұрын
Lovin the builds, keep them coming! "Block Head " just did the 131 kit on his. Dyno with S/E tuner. Now switching over to the Thundermax tuner.
@pinkiewerewolf
@pinkiewerewolf 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome bike, I dig this style! Those bars were a sweet choice as well. Would’ve loved to hear the sound of the speakers but I understand the copyright bs. Older bikes too, Hell yes! Custom, Classic, Vintage, I enjoy seeing them all. Grab an original Sportster and a new Sporty and run a comparison. I like your ride videos too where you have a destination and some sweet roads to get there.
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
I wish i would have demo’ed the speakers. It never really reflects the true capability in a video though.
@pinkiewerewolf
@pinkiewerewolf 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Laidlaw True. Someday they’ll have a small action camera that will capture sound and scenery well, doing them justice.
@angelosenteio
@angelosenteio 4 жыл бұрын
The clear advantage of a bike like this is its versatility. The fact that it looks amazing is secondary to its functionality in the city as well as longer freeway riding which are equally important for those of us living in the metropolitan areas of California. What’s taking HD so long to sell these off the showroom floor?
@sickunit2096
@sickunit2096 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from PA. I just picked up a 2022 Lowrider S. I also got lucky enough to find a RWD fairing like the one in this video. Do you know what length risers I will need to clear the fairing? Id rather keep the bars where they are but I’ll do the minimal height necessary to clear the fairing if necessary. Btw, this video pretty much sealed the deal for me on buying a Lowrider S and doing my own club style build with it.
@twincam9082
@twincam9082 4 жыл бұрын
Love the S. cracks me up when he said you hook up and put it in your pocket lol. My indian does all that from factory. Harley is tanking for a reason.
@amuro2000
@amuro2000 4 жыл бұрын
I really look forward to these test rides , I thought they finally caught you on the run . Good one !! I always learn something new on upgrades I didn't know about . That freeway can be crazy on a motorcycle ! A test ride on the older Low Riders would be fun to see . Thanks
@carolyneakili1
@carolyneakili1 4 жыл бұрын
Love this bike! Have a Fat Bob 114 but not comfortable on long rides or easy in the city (office near DTLA) . Rented a Heritage this past week for a ride to Joshua Tree. Still not what I'm looking for. Felt like I was riding "Dad's" bike... I think this may be it. Will test ride soon .... Love your vids!
@JonBonDonegan
@JonBonDonegan 4 жыл бұрын
I like to see bike walk around/explanations, and exhaust clips, but I’m a big nerd. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@koredade1
@koredade1 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, regarding recommendations on your videos, I wouldn't change anything, excellent holistic story telling in all of your videos.
@koredade1
@koredade1 4 жыл бұрын
I just upgraded from Iron 1200 to the low rider s, this thing is a monster, I love it
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Haha good to know. We are always trying to make the videos better and not entertaining. Congrats on the FXLRS. Enjoy.
@mattthegreeter9074
@mattthegreeter9074 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge fan of the Low Rider in general. If something were to happen to my FXDL I would almost certainly replace it with another Low Rider but on the Softail frame this time. I'm not Dyna-stalgic if the newest platform is better in almost every way! If I had the flow I would consider the Low Rider S but I'd probably throw some paint on it just to switch it up. Maybe some Performance Green! I know it's not an H-D color yet but it doesn't hurt to throw it out there! Keep up the great work man, appreciate what you do over there on the other coast
@satudave
@satudave 4 жыл бұрын
By far my favorite bike that you have featured!!🤘🤘
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@tetlow2
@tetlow2 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see some older bikes. I like them all really. I especially love my dyna.
@thomasangelo4219
@thomasangelo4219 4 жыл бұрын
You guys Nailed itAwesome buildTake care Matt
@sweetluisp
@sweetluisp 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic built...never get tired of seeing these converted FXRT fairing bikes..I know MoCo is going to reduce the number of models by 30%, but if they were smart they should convert the Sport Glide by replacing the worthless batwing mini fairing into am FXRT one...anyway got 2 questions...did Thuderheader change the design of their header for the M8s? and do you think the Low Rider S is the most popular model because of it's price point and what you get for your $$ (dual from discs, inverted front end, etc..)?
@EddieFresh3
@EddieFresh3 4 жыл бұрын
What part numbers are the plugs for the turn signals?
@charlesskelton4058
@charlesskelton4058 3 жыл бұрын
I’m diggin the fxrt club style on the 18-21 road king special. So damn good!!!
@tctn615
@tctn615 2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap. What a bike
@trvegiibz9154
@trvegiibz9154 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt nice bike... Can you tell me what speakers are those they look great
@4evervigilant8
@4evervigilant8 2 жыл бұрын
Question: the plugs where the turn signal use to be, where and what are they. I’m looking for some.
@whskywolf
@whskywolf 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice bike, really like the integrated turn signals in mirrors and tail light, gives it nice clean look.
@MikkelKarklinat
@MikkelKarklinat 4 жыл бұрын
I love it. Would love to see some builds on the FXST 2020.
@51stStatesman
@51stStatesman 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a mint ‘42 Knucklehead in action.
@beardeddynarider8866
@beardeddynarider8866 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Whiplash Gambler seat on my Dyna. And love it.!!
@ntdfmaverick
@ntdfmaverick 4 жыл бұрын
Another thought: Can he get more height out of the front suspension? It looks like the tubes are mounted low in the tree. I know it's partially the large end caps. I have Legend Axeos on my Dyna.
@alexaguilera7084
@alexaguilera7084 4 жыл бұрын
I’m super glad he could read the manual
@whitelightning3330
@whitelightning3330 4 жыл бұрын
Love these dyna builds! Gets me stoked for mine!!
@dt8587
@dt8587 4 жыл бұрын
Softail
@splodge57
@splodge57 4 жыл бұрын
The Dyna looked better.
@dt8587
@dt8587 4 жыл бұрын
@@splodge57 yeah im used to seeing the rear shocks
@ajeetvirk
@ajeetvirk 4 жыл бұрын
How does the Thunderheader exhaust compare to the Fab28 Industries in terms of sound and performance? Unfortunately I haven’t heard either in person and I’m looking to get an exhaust for my 2020 FXLRS
@kennethr.sanford2651
@kennethr.sanford2651 Жыл бұрын
Great build - Thank You!
@michaelofiara9732
@michaelofiara9732 4 жыл бұрын
Video production a step up. Nice work showcasing.
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@SBha30
@SBha30 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome bike Jed!
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@solidjohn6856
@solidjohn6856 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting us know an approximate price on putting an FXRT together
@StevenVanLoven
@StevenVanLoven 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great looking sound machine ! Nice to see .
@PrimalFitnessEvans
@PrimalFitnessEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, would live to see a build out of an older road glide say a 2012, 2013 before fairing was change and maybe pros and cons over the old to the new with project Rushmore. I know there were major improvements to the road glide fairing but I see the stunt riders going old style as well as others still going back to the old over the new style so would love to see an build, what you would change and thoughts for sure. Cheers!
@patrickmaloney8717
@patrickmaloney8717 4 жыл бұрын
Love my 2015 fxdl but I have to admit that I am a little jelly. Bad ass build.
@paulbronnenberg2075
@paulbronnenberg2075 4 жыл бұрын
How about a build for a 2020 Fat Boy 114. I have one and looking for idea's...Thanks !
@joeypetrosky9821
@joeypetrosky9821 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Matt love to have bike like that
@amg5795
@amg5795 Жыл бұрын
Matt dont you find Legend front cartages to stiff on small bumps ?
@bodycream7904
@bodycream7904 4 жыл бұрын
Love it! What do you think about adding the quick detach hard bags to this build??
@cat2espoir
@cat2espoir 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your advice on the suspension mods for the M8 softails! What are your thoughts on GPR stabilizers vs upgrading the front suspension? I have a 2018 FXFBS that starts to feel a little squirrely above 90mph...
@theguzzirider4247
@theguzzirider4247 4 жыл бұрын
Matt we are waiting for HD’s new direction.
@MattLaidlaw
@MattLaidlaw 4 жыл бұрын
Coming
@garymoore3497
@garymoore3497 4 жыл бұрын
The new direction is called "Rewire" ; which includes asking shareholders to vote for cash bonus's for the new CEO and board members... Now, I am pretty sure Matt does not do this, but I believe most other dealers do this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmXGZmxueNV_fJI
@garymoore3497
@garymoore3497 4 жыл бұрын
@Nightingale It is unfortunate. Sturgis is over, and we coming into the fall and winter seasons. Many dealers are scrambling for inventory, which may not show up until summer of next year..... In the meantime, many dealers are asking for forbearance on paying their rent for very expensive store-front. Is no secret, the "whole company" as you say, is carrying over 9 billion in debt, and no clear path forward to pay it back..... We are seeing Chapter 11 for HD in 2021.....
@garymoore3497
@garymoore3497 4 жыл бұрын
@Nightingale I walked into an HD dealership in nor cal bay area. They were asking 30 grand for 2003 Springer. Looked like a fire sale to me.......
@garymoore3497
@garymoore3497 4 жыл бұрын
@Nightingale laughing at what ?
@derekjoyner67
@derekjoyner67 4 жыл бұрын
Matt, beautiful build! Does the Screaming Eagle tuner with wide bands have enough adjustment to correct AFR’s with the Thunderheader? I am thinking about D&D Bobcat and want to keep warranty on my LRS for awhile.
@captainsuburbia8956
@captainsuburbia8956 4 жыл бұрын
Sick build once again.
@rashiedej
@rashiedej 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great bike all around looks and spec. Is it true HD has released the 131 for softails?
@DeafStunts
@DeafStunts 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, thanks for awesome video of it 💯😎👍🏽
@jetdoctn
@jetdoctn 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful machine. Sounds awesome.
@petterin1
@petterin1 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, such a beautiful bike!
@emdx3
@emdx3 4 жыл бұрын
Rad bike. FYI those Whiplash seats are rebranded C&C seats. Nothing against them but you can get the same exact seat minus the Whiplash logo and for $50 less by ordering direct from C&C. I have one and love it much better than the Saddlemen step up.
@VINLAND_FXB
@VINLAND_FXB 3 жыл бұрын
Where and how did you guys mount the amp? I have an fxrt fairing on my dyna and am trying to figure out where and how to mount it
@Tommy.McLean
@Tommy.McLean 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt I love the videos. That springer patch is the shyte!! I have that tattooed on my chest. Where can I get one of those? I'll put you up in my house in Daytona if you bring me one. You can ride the springer while here
@soorajsaikumar
@soorajsaikumar 4 жыл бұрын
Waiting for a 131ci Softail built series. Awesome video 👍🏽
@glencross4461
@glencross4461 4 жыл бұрын
One of the nicest I’ve seen!!! Great job Bad Ass suspension is worth it’s weight in Gold!! People if you get a new bike get suspension First it’s one of the Best mods you can do to the Bike!! Great Bike I’d like to try it!👍💯🇺🇸😎
@PapodeEstrada
@PapodeEstrada 4 жыл бұрын
Essa moto é monstruosa! Espero que ela chegue aqui no Brasil! 🇧🇷 ótimo vídeo!
@Magnus0311
@Magnus0311 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt! Where did you guys find a Thunderheader for it? I’m looking everywhere and I can’t find one for a 2020 low rider s.
@sydlyntwolovin1272
@sydlyntwolovin1272 4 жыл бұрын
What's the cost range to add that fairing and bars to a softail?
@turtle19dad
@turtle19dad 3 жыл бұрын
Love the builds. You gonna do anything with the 2021 FXBBS? Would love to see what you do with the Deadwood Green.
@speedpig513
@speedpig513 4 жыл бұрын
flawless build!!!
@kumbaya007
@kumbaya007 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt! Love your content. Watch it all the time-sometimes over n over again. QUICK QUESTION- I see that you rev-match when you down shift gears.. is that really necessary?! I ride a 2020 FXLRS here in India. Always been curious about rev-matching🤔
@johncarter8626
@johncarter8626 4 жыл бұрын
Also, I thought the new 2021 model years were to be released this month (or at least a preview)... Did that get pushed back?
@TH3G0ODGUY
@TH3G0ODGUY 4 жыл бұрын
2021s were pushed back until January or February
@eljefe6782
@eljefe6782 2 жыл бұрын
Which tuner did you install in that bad boy?
@joshmiller4516
@joshmiller4516 4 жыл бұрын
How to the Legend fork cartridges compare to Öhlins?
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