Multi-Generational Home on a Budget: Episode 1 - Foundation

[@stevecrawford6958]

affordable housing is a relative term. thank you for saying this Steve.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

we work all over the country, different regions, different costs. It is more related to recognition than labor rates.......in Texas, a basement is easily 2X than in New England

[@KPVFarmer]

I think it’s smart to build houses that are adaptable. I did a full remodel and installed extra wide doors to master, en-suite, main bathroom, as well as all entrances. This made it accessible for a future owner with a disability from the start. Building homes with an initially awesome section that can start off as a guest quarters and end up being for parents, kids visiting, or even for the owner to move into and let kids and grandkids have the main part. Great discussion on water table and drainage

[@wantsomething3319]

Steve goes from "mop top" to "flat top" ! Big Red's changed too, now he's electronic, and not just red anymore. Great to see you back explaining things! Jayman...

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

Man on the move.........

[@KPVFarmer]

I think it’s smart to build houses that are adaptable. I did a full remodel and installed extra wide doors to master, en-suite, main bathroom, as well as all entrances. This made it accessible for a future owner with a disability from the start. Building homes with an initially awesome section that can start off as a guest quarters and end up being for parents, kids visiting, or even for the owner to move into and let kids and grandkids have the main part.

[@GraingerProductions]

Septic/perc field talk was very cool. Never heard details like that on this channel.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

yes, very High water table in this region

[@Jenstyler1]

The garden shed is known as a "john deere room" in the south. Love to see it.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

thanks

[@asdisskagen6487]

Personally, I don't see real estate coming back down anytime soon; I have seen an increase in "family homesteads" where multiple generations pool their resources in order to afford a place. Multi-generational housing used to be the norm and I think more people will return to this as the best way to actually afford to own a home.

[@jwristen24]

Trim system looks good bud. One thing I don't like is the step down under the window with the versetta stone. I would've gone with pella grade to header windows to eliminate that. Not hating, love the channel and you're a master.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

pella?

[@jwristen24]

@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 pella windows makes a great header to grade window system.

[@kellymoses8566]

ICF or SIP are the only sane way to make a house today. I have a ICF in a very windy area with triple pane windows and even when winds are 80mph it is silent inside. Its like living in a cozy fortress. It is so airtight that the outside doors can't slam shut. It needs so little heating and cooling you need to use special furnaces and ACs with variable output.

[@garyreneau6166]

Too expensive for us poor folk

[@joshua3084]

What is the pricing on a 5000 square ft home ICF

[@MichaelJ674]

I have serious environmental concerns with ICF because of the amount of plastic waste that is generated and released into the environment just with normal handling and cutting of the forms. Then if you abrade the surface for parging-which is pretty standard for at least a portion of the enclosure-a large amount of wind-borne foam particles make their way into the environment. I’ve never seen a video of ICF (or SIP) installation where any attempt has been made to capture the waste foam particles. Considering that microplastics have been found in every environment on earth, I’m concerned we’re “fouling our own nest” with these types of products despite the energy efficiency benefits that can help reduce greenhouse gas emissions. I’m very leery of anyone who says “(fill in the blank) is the only sane way to make a house.” Everything has trade-offs and unintended consequences must be thoughtfully considered before choosing among the vast array of construction means and methods available today. I appreciate KZbin channels such as this one that allow these kinds of explorations and conversations to take place. Always good food for thought.

[@ToddBizCoach]

@@MichaelJ674 what waste from particles? An electric knife is used for routing electric, it melts the insulation, not cuts. There is no abrading the surface. What cutting of forms, there is none. Go on a job site , this would eliminate lots of misconceptions you have.

[@ToddBizCoach]

@@garyreneau6166 ICFs are not more expensive than stick built if you are able to assist. I ve seen Habitat for Humanity houses built using ICFs and volunteer help with no problems.

[@wannabe_crotchety363]

Get this man some boots

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

You know, if I wore boots someone would comment I was playing builder.......I can't win lol

[@patrickkenny2077]

I didn't think you could use a macerator pump with a septic tank as it makes it too hard for the solids to settle out. Also surprised that the city allows the upstairs plumbing to use the macerator/sewage ejector; most jurisdictions I have worked with require anything that can be gravity fed to be done that way. Interesting project though, look forward to watching.

[@denverbraughler3948]

The first part of your comment doesn’t make any sense. Macerating everything is a plus for septic systems as long as the equipment functions.

[@patrickkenny2077]

@@denverbraughler3948 I think I was remembering grinder pumps rather than macerators. The slurry from a grinder doesn't settle within the septic tank so it ends up in your leach field, and the discharge filter (if used) won't be able to stop it. A macerator apparently has a lower risk of that happening, but it is still there.

[@CMCraftsman]

Of course the upstairs waste will be gravity fed. Only the basement plumbing will use the pump

[@danielwoodard680]

Here in CA, we can place macerators in all pumps that are the grade of uphill sewer/septic systems

[@ArneAsada69]

I liked this episode.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

Thanks for joining in

[@GrantRTanner]

Lots of well thought out detail here. Nice work. Also, never heard if GMX before. I winder if its cheaper than polyguard?

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

should look into it

[@guylambrechts2303]

Great quality building. You should just collect the metal strips for recycling instead of leaving them in the ground.

[@LegacyViewsICFhomeBuild]

I am currently building a 5 story icf multigenerational home on a budget. It is only possible on a budget because we are providing all the labor. My parents will live on 1 aging in place level. My wife and I will have a a 3 story townhome and my two adult kids and their families will each have a 4 bedroom 2.5 bath condos. We are over halfway done with the shell but have another 22’ to stack of the icf blocks. It’s worth it though to get 4 homes under 1 roof.

[@JL10007406]

Thats a heck of a build. Have any pictures or videos to share?

[@LegacyViewsICFhomeBuild]

I have tons of videos that I have been shooting to document the process. Click on my name/image of the home and you can see the progress we have made.

[@kellymoses8566]

5 story?!?!? I hope it has an elevator!

[@LegacyViewsICFhomeBuild]

No elevator because we can’t afford it. 2 stories are below grade. And 3 stories above grade. The aging in place is on one level. The other 3 “homes” are on 3 levels. The extra exercise will help keep us young 😂. One of the blue zones where people live a long time is because they have to do so much hiking around town 😅. So we built the hiking into the house 😂

[@ToddBizCoach]

@@LegacyViewsICFhomeBuild what is the You Tube page?

[@stevemcfarland4661]

Out of curiosity why did you choose to have sewage from the upstairs go through the pump vs just gravity fed?

[@denverbraughler3948]

Sewage digests better after maceration.

[@sarahcpelletier]

Builders a hottie

[@buildshow]

I should introduce you. He’s a great guy

[@DrMJJr]

He is a cutie, just look at that smile!! Congratulations Sarah!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@JvariW]

Ahhh, I see what you did there.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

Any BIAS there??

[@sarahcpelletier]

@@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 I just call it like I see it

[@CMCraftsman]

It’s interesting that the drain mat for the outside of the foundation can be stuck to the wet water proofing if I heard that correctly. I know Rockwool doesn’t allow that.

[@camheady235]

I would omit the (footing area) water pass-thru anywhere near the septic sand mound. I want THAT water to go to a grove of trees near the property line. Brick Saver LLC

[@umeng2002]

I'm sure that drainage mat R value plummets when it's wet.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

It's not there for insulating purposes

[@umeng2002]

@@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 I know, but why even rate it then?

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

@@umeng2002 because if I ran it up above grade to the wall insulation I could count it. I don't count it because I stop at grade, and just use it as a drainage board/protection board

[@tastewar]

I think you meant "Multi-Generational Home..."

[@johnwhite2576]

Why in the world do u want extra foundation water entering subslab through these laterals??

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

equalize.....and to provide alternate paths for water

[@Panhead49EL]

Cost/sq ft?

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

It doesn't matter unless your the homeowner, or the builder

[@TheoneandonlyRAH]

No external insulation to the foundation?

[@jmondanaro]

Since you are thermally isolating the slab, the insulation is already planned to be on the inside of the walls.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

@@jmondanaro correct

[@jonathang6920]

First! Edit* So I didn’t catch a price (or even a range), but it’s a 3000+ sqft house in a somewhat HCOL area. The owner is a general contractor so that’ll bring the price down, but I could easily see this still being a $500,000+ house build, which doesn’t say “affordable” or “budget” to me. It is a nice looking simple design though that I like, aside from the septic being higher than the basement floor.

[@JL10007406]

$500k custom SFH home in the Boston area with an ADU is absolutely an affordable build.

[@ashantipeace]

Yeah, the Boston metro is a very expensive area to build in. My very working class family owns a home that is currently valued at 250K more than that, and it burned 🔥 down in 2019. Rebuilding will make it a million dollar home, and it's not luxury at all.

[@Scott-cu4ol]

i’m in Maine and just got a qoute to build a 2900 square foot craftsman with ICF basement and a 34x44 attached 3 car garage. the quote was $3,000,000. trust me this house with a ADU for $500,000 is a bargain!

[@eb1888.]

When you run the framing, drywall and finishing crew, your cost will be more than affordable. Wholesale pricing for all the materials your crew uses. Wholesale for the labor. Advertising benefit for the construction video into the future. The land cost is a determining factor for the final cost. The market value points to doing one of these a year for income.

[@MichaelJ674]

Alas, $500k would be considered affordable in much of the US and would actually be a bargain for the Boston exurbs.

[@SubigyaShakya]

I think the title is supposed to say Multi and not Muli

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

thanks

[@stephengarrett5229]

How would you replicate that door pan detail with block stem walls?

[@denverbraughler3948]

Why would an architect put the mechanical space in the most inaccessible place furthest from the basement door? This is really stupid. I like mechanical spaces which are readily accessible without traversing all the living spaces plus a closet. There should be a separate entrance so as not to disturb the renters.

[@kellymoses8566]

Mechanical goes in the basement like God intended! Makes access SO EASY

[@atomicsmith]

The mechanical space is probably accessed 2-3 times a year, while the entrance to the ADU will be used 4+ times a day. Adding a door just for mechanical, means a break in water/air sealing, and added cost.

[@MichaelJ674]

No need for absolute statements such as “This is really stupid.” Especially when you’re not privy to the decision-making process that led a very experienced architect and a very experienced contractor/owner to make this particular choice. Different people value different things and there are trade-offs with virtually every decision when building a house. I personally would prefer accessing the mech. room from the interior to maintain the integrity of the exterior envelope and to avoid having an exterior door on the street side of the house. But that doesn’t mean I think it’s “stupid” to access from the exterior instead; there are very good reasons for doing it either way.

[@ToddBizCoach]

@@MichaelJ674 don t think for one minute architects don t make design mistakes based on common sense. If that were the case they would design based on cost and functionality not looks. Flat roofs are a case in point, leaking within a few years.

[@MichaelJ674]

@@ToddBizCoachAs a recovering architect, I agree with you 100% 😂!!

[@FreekHoekstra]

Why such high concrete walls?

[@MichaelJ674]

Watch the video.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

@@MichaelJ674 thank u

[@deonfackler5588]

I thought the storage place was going to be a residential elevator. For a true multifamily stairs are not a great option for elderly parents to access the upstairs for the entirety of their life. Even injuries or replacement surgeries can limit the upstairs access.

[@eddygoodwin7089]

At 32:31 the footing is undermined

[@MichaelJ674]

Ooh, good eye. Perhaps it’s a short enough span that the footing acts as a grade beam in this location-depends on the amount and placement of the rebar. Would love to get a response from Steve on this one as it seems like a legitimate concern.

[@wolfgangkayser1432]

Did anyone else feel like most of those floor trusses were out of plum? Maybe it's just an optical illusion.

[@stupedcraig]

What is Muli-Generational ?

[@quagengineer1877]

This seems very expensive. Wouldn't be cheaper to make a stilt foundation?

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

what's that?

[@danielrutherford9456]

@quagengineer1877 are you talking about something you’d see in flood zones? Based on what the client wants, I don’t see how it applies. They want a basement, and a pier and beam is just a less expensive, less robust version of slab-on-grade. They also need a place for the septic, so the grade has to come up anyway. You wouldn’t put stilts on non-virgin earth.

[@quagengineer1877]

​@@danielrutherford9456 Here in Brazil we use elevated slabs (stilts) when the place is humid, for reduced soil contact, thus reducing humidity capitalization. Some people make the stilts visible to create ventilation under, but most don't like the looks and hide it with some design trick. So, it doesn't look like a beamed structure, but it is. We tend to use slab-on-ground only in cheaper houses or when the owner is building a huge house and wants to save money, or when the climate is more dry and water capitalization is less of an issue. Here, slab on ground is cheaper. This is because we don't use woodframe, almost all homes are masonry. So you can guess why it's more expensive to elevate a concrete floor than do it in the ground, we need to use slabs. That's why I found odd in this video a nice home being built in the ground with so much water and humidity, and pumps and complex systems do deal with it. If we were building a home similar to the video, we would raise the house, use good waterproofing additives in the stilt and walls, and problem solved. It would be even easier if you use lighter woodframe and pier-and-beam is an option, no? Why non-virgin soil is a problem for stilts?

[@quagengineer1877]

@@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 I mean, wouldn't be easier to use an elevated slab on tilts to avoid the soil humidity instead of all that complex system to manage soil humidity capillarization?

[@nunyabidness3075]

Anytime someone in the industry is the buyer, it’s not going to represent an affordable home that someone would sell. At any rate, the government calls above market homes “affordable” by subsidizing them after over spending on them while simultaneously raising the cost to build for everyone in the area, so no foul calling this affordable.

[@robertduffy5805]

I don't think you know what "Independence" means; what you described is the antithesis of it.

[@matthewprather7386]

Inappropriate comment: Steve needs to eliminate, ELIMINATE, liquid carbs.. Soda, beer, smoothies, shakes.. If it’s sweet and you can drink it, it’s gone.. I can state unequivocally that he would feel better if he did. Fascinating build video!

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

honestly I drink water most of the time

[@justinmanship5431]

Anyone else feel this way? I like Steve but it’s tough to watch his videos. The way he talks and the pacing just makes it monotonous. He talks so much but doesn’t really get anywhere. I just find myself skipping forward a lot on his videos.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

I will keep it in mind. I'm torn because I can talk faster but I had people ask me to slow down and thoroughly explain......trying to find a happy medium

[@justinmanship5431]

@@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 You definitely consistently put out the most videos covering the type of content I want to see and get more info on, so I appreciate that for sure. I do like when people go into the weeds to explain concepts, and I went back and watched more of your videos to really try to put my finger on it. I think it’s sometimes just a little repetitive, you really try to drive certain points home by explaining the same thing in a few different ways. Funny enough, that’s how I speak too. Lol It’s just my opinion, and I may be totally off base but I think if you just make the point and then move to the next thing it fixes the pacing. I am building my own house right now and using many of the concepts I’ve learned from you. I am using quarrix furring strips and vertical Thermory siding on the house. How important do you think it is I have another WRB layer on top of my ZIP? I’ve done the ZIP 2.0 method.

[@98grand5point9]

I call it blathering.

[@danielwoodard680]

If the other person in the frame is curt, Steve fills in for those of us who need all the info

[@whatsup403-w2j]

I disagree with the OP - great video

[@manatee419]

Homes are affordable by who standard. With the increase of taxes and homeowners insurance. This is all unstandable.

[@cp37373]

Unstandable? So it doesn’t stand?

[@claytondennis8034]

So... what the hesk is an ADU? If you're going to use acronyms, you should use the whole phrase at least twice in this type of presentation.

[@HandlebarWorkshops]

Just in case anyone sees this in the future, ADU = Accessory Dwelling Unit.

[@danielrutherford9456]

@claytondennis8034 I think it’s fair to assume that the audience watching Build Show videos are much more likely to know about ADUs than general KZbin viewers. Matt has talked about them before on this channel as well.

[@zulubob5824]

There's no budget homes 😢😢 we tried and gave up

[@raymondpeters9186]

Did you look at pumicecrete?

[@ToddBizCoach]

Why weren’t ICFs used to cut down costs? Most homeowners can assist one worker constructing with ICFs and cutting down labor costs going from basement up to roof rafters.

[@jepito29]

@@ToddBizCoach have you seen the price of concrete?

[@rolliebca]

Yeah, multi-generational because it's going to take many generations to pay for it. Just what we need, way to not solve the affordable housing situation.

[@LegacyViewsICFhomeBuild]

I’m building a DIY icf multigenerational home that will have 4 homes under 1 roof. We are about half way done with the floor system and the shell. So it’s possible to do it affordably but it is a lot of work 😅

[@denverbraughler3948]

I don’t understand your complaint. Families and even friends pooling resources is a pretty common solution to affordability among civilized people.

[@cp37373]

@@denverbraughler3948lol

[@cp37373]

@@denverbraughler3948lol

[@curtcmiller]

Why is the foundation rebar grounded?

[@mackfisher4487]

architect talks to much

[@MichaelJ674]

Otherwise known as too much 😂. Some people appreciate Steve’s verbosity. I speed up the playback speed to 2x when he gets on a roll 😊.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

@@MichaelJ674 thanks lol......please remember there are people watching that have NO understanding of building so I need to solve for the least common denominator

[@williamdemilia6223]

@@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 ignore some folks. no need . keep up your style.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

@@williamdemilia6223 What's always interesting is the critic has 1 subscriber lol.......usually the case. I greatly appreciate you joining in