@@rob3812 What information would satisfy you? A large amount of comments on this review reference recent frame flex concerns on Grand Design products. These concerns aren't a result of "trolling". There certainly seems to be reputation damage as a result of these reports. Other manufacturers didn't have to put out a frame flex press release this week. I am aware that Lippert builds the frames but they build them to manufacturer specifications. So either Grand Design's specs need revision or their quality control checks of their delivered frames need to be better.
Not asking about the frame flex issue was a bad move. Not backing their customers up who have suffered these issues will be their PR nightmare.
@stevereid99134 ай бұрын
Robert, the RV Inspection And Care YT page (almost 50K subscribers) says Momentum is the best Toy Hauler in its price range (i.e. $125K MSRP) . After seeing all the comments here about frame failure, I am scared away from GD, but what would you recommend?
@robertroth2874 ай бұрын
@@stevereid9913 Steve, I readily admit that I do not follow Toy Haulers as I own a motorhome. So I am reluctant to give you advice. You might avoid the issue by looking at a used Toy Hauler before Lippert started making the frames at the direction of the RV manufacturers. My understanding is that it is the larger toy haulers which are mostly affected. Rigor RV repair recently did a good video on frame flex/failure. Good luck.
@stevereid99134 ай бұрын
@@robertroth287 Thank you. I am going to try just looking at Toy Haulers that don't use Lippert frames. Would that help, or do they all use Lippert frames?
@WestsontheMove5 ай бұрын
I would like Don Clark to personally address the frame failure issue with the owners. Slipping in a section on their website about frames was a bit sneaky. Be upfront with us and recall the impacted units immediately.
@Gametime-Bryan5 ай бұрын
Yes people stay away until grand design fixes there serious issues. Far too many people are under water with there products!💯 This is not a reflection on Matt he’s got a job to do!
@offtracktraveler15 ай бұрын
Number 1 in frame failure also.
@johnhironimus11975 ай бұрын
What proof do u have of that
@stevez3405 ай бұрын
@@johnhironimus1197I only started to believe after watching dozens of videos of Grand Design owners showing viewers their bent and cracked frames on KZbin and explaining the problems they have encountered trying to resolve the issue😊
@meggewatts5 ай бұрын
@@johnhironimus1197checkout the latest from @HBRVLifestyle. He has some data.
@user-bu5jp4yz9c5 ай бұрын
lol this clown. A lot of proof, this is a $hit company!
@jhonsmitty34815 ай бұрын
I'd like to know what if any changes they're making to stop Frame Failure, because as it stands when I buy a new toy hauler this year Grand Design won't even be considered. Disappointed that Matt didn't bother to ask. Grand Design needs to show what is being done differently or tons of customers like me won't even give them a chance
@stevereid99134 ай бұрын
Duane from the RV Inspection And Care (48.8K subscribers) says Momentum is the best Toy Hauler in its price range. If you don't like this brand, then what do you recommend in this price range? (i.e. $125K MSRP) . I am asking because we're about to buy one, and I thought this was a good brand. But then I saw all these questions about the frame failure. Not I am scared away from GD, but what would you recommend? PS. I am a fan of Matt's channel. That's what brought me to this video.
@jeff9535 ай бұрын
Matt and Will this video proves you guys are not for the consumer when it comes to RV ownership. This video shows how much your team favors the RV manufacturers. We have lost all respect for you guys. Not one single word about “Frame Flex or Frame Failure “ whatsoever!!!
@stevereid99134 ай бұрын
Duane from the RV Inspection And Care (almost 50K subscribers) says Momentum is the best Toy Hauler in its price range. Jeff, what brand do you recommend in this price range? (i.e. $125K MSRP) . After seeing all the comments here about frame failure, I am scared away from GD, but what would you recommend?
@jeff9534 ай бұрын
@@stevereid9913 Honestly, I would shy away from the toy haulers right now due to this "frame failure or frame flex" whatever you want to call it. The RV manufactures and Lippert need to come clean on this issue and take ownership of this issue......🤠
@kensmart19765 ай бұрын
Frame failure comes at no additional cost!
@jhonsmitty34815 ай бұрын
Actually I hear that option adds 10's of thousands to the price tag actually lol
@skeim56205 ай бұрын
I hope they fixed frame problems
@user-bu5jp4yz9c5 ай бұрын
When is this company going to acknowledge the massive frame failure and outright negligence!
@stevez3405 ай бұрын
The recent Lippert and Grand Design “PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN” disgraceful frame flex and quality control debacle has definitely come home to roost😮😮😮
@rob38125 ай бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong. 95% of manuf build on a Lippert frame?
@stevez3405 ай бұрын
@@rob3812 You are correct, but they build frames to the manufacturers specifications, so if Grand Design is trying to save money by ordering borderline inferior frames then they hold equal responsibility👍and frames bending and breaking has been largely a Grand Design issue which has to make you wonder😬
@stevez3405 ай бұрын
@@rob3812 I was just told that Montana and Alliance are starting to have the frame issues, so maybe it is mainly a Lippert problem and not a Grand Design problem👍
@tp03765 ай бұрын
I’m disappointed that grand design wanted to argue about terminology of “ frame flex” vs “fame failure”. Instead of just acknowledging a problem and fix it.
@rob38125 ай бұрын
Frame flex is a Lippert issue not the manf that build upon their foundations.
@davelauraphillips88145 ай бұрын
Dave here - missing lag bolts are an OEM problem.
@romaldemgle58675 ай бұрын
It is both of the problums
@davelauraphillips88145 ай бұрын
@@romaldemgle5867 whole industry has a big problem
@TonyBenton07285 ай бұрын
@@rob3812It’s an attachment issue with the walls and the frame ! The walls and roof help support the frame .
@RVDumpStation5 ай бұрын
Not changing the batteries in their building’s smoke detectors is now another reason why I will never buy a Grand Design.
@rob38125 ай бұрын
lol
@michellemarikos50295 ай бұрын
Why and how can they do a video with the smoke detector chirping
@danielwilliamson15775 ай бұрын
Can we chip in and get these guys a 9 volt battery?
@user-tv6bh8iw6z5 ай бұрын
Good historical video before the crash of GD.
@CommunSpace5 ай бұрын
Matt I know you sell RVs, that’s your job, but going to the GD factory and just pretend that nothing happens with those particular units is an insult to the people that have serious issues with the frame flex and the poor quality that those RVs are built .. this is just another tactic from GD to forget about the issues and ignore the customers .. please don’t be part of that .. if I’m you I would just delete this video
@blackanodize15 ай бұрын
If Grand Design doesn't implement significant changes to their structure, I won't consider owning another one. My experience with a 2017 399th model was riddled with problems. The trim consistently fell off, rubber molding on the front popped off, soft plumbing hoses connected to PEX fittings popped off, there was floor rot on the side patio and rear ramp/deck, and cracks appeared in the gelcoat from the bottom of the bedroom slide on the outside. Initially, I was told some of these issues were normal or attributed to user error, and I partially believed it. However, upon selling it and reflecting a few years later, I've realized it wasn't my fault but rather flaws in their design and frame flex issues. In essence, regardless of their flashy features, until they rectify their quality concerns, I won't consider purchasing another one.
@stevereid99134 ай бұрын
Do you know of a good 5th Wheel Toy Hauler brand that doesn't use Lippert as their frame manufacturer? A Toy Hauler that doesn't have frame flex issues? i am looking to buy a Toy Hauler in the next month.
@Traveling_For_Events5 ай бұрын
I've owned a grand design once. I told myself I'd never buy another. But really this looks good. 😮
@jeff9535 ай бұрын
Also we want to call for a boycott on all Grand Designs products and all KZbin channels that are connected to Grand Designs products. You know who they are viewers. You can start with Matt’s KZbin channel!!!
@msmo20604 ай бұрын
Yeah I’m sure the other manufacturers are really worried about GD right now….
@h2o100c5 ай бұрын
Please show the Frame Flex before the walk around!
@AlexO-ct5ns5 ай бұрын
Show how much ‘frame flex’ is at the hitch pin please! … it’s very easy to show 😮
@Itsa_MeaАй бұрын
None on these units with Rhinobox frame. The frame issue is on units with the old design #1621.
@kentfarndell30135 ай бұрын
G.design needs a quality control department
@stevemurray27375 ай бұрын
Winnebago’s Folly. Should have Chosen the Customer over the Low Bid.
@twistcollins85545 ай бұрын
I had a G.D. build quality very poor, service even worse!
@TheThralls-bs4sf5 ай бұрын
I feel like this is an abuse of your popularity to assist a manufacturer in the gaslighting of customers, Matt. Zero respect. Will I avoid watching your videos? **Bing!**
@user-tl5ne8th5x5 ай бұрын
Matt, why not mention frame flex/failure? I love the GD Momentum but am seriously concerned about the frame . I’m in the market but nervous abut their product. RS Brett
@romaldemgle58675 ай бұрын
Thy are working to fix it there web site says. It is the behind the seen you don't know. Which thy need to tell us all . How there fixing it on the new ones
@AmJaxineer5 ай бұрын
Matt, I think that GD should doing what they can to relieve front end weight. One of the easiest mods they could do is for every toy hauler they make that comes with the half bath option, have it include a SECOND set of full washer and dryer hookups so folks can have the option of moving those heavy items in the garage. It's a no brainer. Next, like you said, many folks use these as bedrooms and not for garages. That being said, create the option when ordering to extend the flooring in the unit in to the garage still keeping the d rings, eliminating that rubber flooring and side wall diamond plating. This is the same thing they did for Changing Lanes in their 410TH.
@mikewadams15 ай бұрын
Nope. You couldn’t give me a GD anything. They have totally botched this frame failure issue. They are not the company they once were.
@willsoto65725 ай бұрын
I got up twice once to check my smoke detector and then again for my CO detector. Can someone run to the 99cent store for batteries plz!! 😅😊
@tishb625 ай бұрын
Very Nice! I actually Love the Floor plan that Tara and Chad have. That 410TH is the one I’d get if I was getting a Toy Hauler. We really Love their Solitudes❤️
@laurenceburr20975 ай бұрын
Flexing issues....horror stories
@KylesRV5 ай бұрын
And hundreds of thousands of happy customers. A few loud mouth KZbinrs looking for clicks isn’t a reliable source.
@aboutmyfathersbusiness69075 ай бұрын
Grand designs frame is failing faster than America is crashing.
@Seabee_Camper5 ай бұрын
Matt, love you and your channel but this puff piece while ignoring the elephant in the room is very disappointing.
@KimL10005 ай бұрын
Grand Design is the king of frame failure. Buy it at own risk. You been warned.
@caseymaroney50285 ай бұрын
I would love to see the outside patio drop down and check out the ramp...and know how much weight they can handle.
@williamlight61655 ай бұрын
Im afraid to buy anything from Grand design
@billsettle93013 ай бұрын
Don't move it !!!! It may break in half!!! LMFAO
@gabrielpalma94184 ай бұрын
Nice unit but I would think if your spending that kind of money you would at least get a Rotoflex pin box and a large grab handle for the garage entry door . Why skimp on those 2 things
@johnhironimus11975 ай бұрын
I'm loving the factory reviews!!
@RustyShackle17765 ай бұрын
Still have rubber frame issues?
@Itsa_Mea3 ай бұрын
Alot of "frame" comments. Take note, they are utilizing a newer design frame not prone to the failure. I have not seen a single failure from a Rhinobox Frame. I don’t think they ever mention it because it may show as an admission of knowing they had a problem. The Rhinobox Spacesaver design is 40% stronger due to structural design and the shorter bolt on pinbox.
@markw66025 ай бұрын
Grand Design selling the propaganda. Why didn't you address the frame issue?
@azlady81025 ай бұрын
Don’t think I will ever buy a fifth wheel after the issues with frames
@sherriweber71055 ай бұрын
Hi Matt and Wil I love when you go to the factories like this and they give a review on their product. This I think has great floor plan. Thank you for you all for showing this Momentum.
@msmo20604 ай бұрын
And we also want to thank them for not addressing any of the build issues that are affecting GD at the moment…
@stevereid99134 ай бұрын
Another great video, Matt. Do you know if this Grand Design has frame flex issues? Do they use Lippert as the manufacturer of their frames?
@billsettle93013 ай бұрын
....silence....
@bishopgeorge13335 ай бұрын
I like that toyhauler and I'm not a toyhauler guy, but I can see myself getting this for myself.
@bkestay25 ай бұрын
Yea I was looking to buy the 15 ft garage until I found out about everyone have issues with that flex stuff and company not fixing it and being rude to customers. Sorry for your loss of a customer.
@ringonzar5 ай бұрын
Heard from 100's rver's there quality & customer service is trash...Bad as Lund boats..if you use it,warranties are void for use/wear n tear..
@BlakeScout5 ай бұрын
Well my Reflection fifth wheel has been great. My few dealings with their customer service was extremely good. I speak with Grand Design owners almost every trip I take. The vast majority of them are happy with their RV.
@romaldemgle58675 ай бұрын
I go a G.D. rv and I love it. C.S has alway be good to me to fix thing I need fixed
@brucemuller28275 ай бұрын
Frame flex ?? Frame failure ?? Nothing!!!
@stevennihansr4 ай бұрын
1:37 company spoke holes, u bolts for the axels over torqued, and considered dangerous to tow,
@RM-my9dn5 ай бұрын
Matt is funny when he's not in charge. Not so sharp.I just learned something after viewing this video.
@kentfarndell30135 ай бұрын
My G.D. IS A MESS
@Gametime-Bryan5 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear but your story needs to be told!
@KMT155 ай бұрын
Weird, there are manufacturers offering the Cummins Onan 7000 gas generator
@meggewatts5 ай бұрын
Yes K-Z Venoms all day long.
@ejs60105 ай бұрын
The factory review presentation is nice. Mr Booth did a pretty good job with his walk through, but he missed some doors outside (was there an outdoor TV?), some cabinets, and he did not even open up the half bath in the 'garage'. In some ways it seemed like he was distracted during the filming. This M Class layout is quite nice.
@upinsmoketravels45825 ай бұрын
Never buy anything from GD absolutely terrible product never buy this I have 6 figures into one of these
@KylesRV5 ай бұрын
I will absolutely buy another Grand Design because I am one of the hundreds of thousands of happy Grand Design owners. Great products and great customer service from my personal experience.
@stevennihansr4 ай бұрын
6:58 in contact with the DOT, lets see what they say.
@petedonahue22215 ай бұрын
I would not buy anyone's 5th wheel . No one is telling us anything about the problem of the truth of fame failure .
@brucemuller28275 ай бұрын
137 thousand for frame problems I wouldn’t buy this !!!
@let_it_ride5 ай бұрын
"Don't Sell Your Soul To Buy Peanuts For The Monkeys" Dorothy Salisbury
@RockerRed5 ай бұрын
Very nice! 👍🤘Thank you! Thank you! 🧡🍊🧡
@horizon42q5 ай бұрын
Oh no
@Tomohawk1955Ай бұрын
Would rather have bigger shower and smaller sink
@lalpwatson5 ай бұрын
Stupidest kitchen layout EVER! 1 person can barely fit, not to mention the person cramped in there trying to do dishes will have to constantly move for anyone trying to access the fridge. Why are design teams not thinking of the practical use of these campers has homes??
@stevennihansr4 ай бұрын
Please contact the DOT
@dbusguy5 ай бұрын
1:10 I’ve noticed that it’s hard to hear you, Will or Andrea when y’all turn away from the camera as well as when you’re outside. Have ever considered wearing microphones?
@Trufit995 ай бұрын
Is that the smoke detector beeping 😒
@kentfarndell30135 ай бұрын
Never will buy another one .
@twistcollins85545 ай бұрын
To much money for the build quality, how much frame flex or felure?
@twistcollins85545 ай бұрын
To much money for the build quality, how good are the frames ?
@Uninspirational3 ай бұрын
Matt, I'm deeply troubled by this review for several reasons: Omission of Known Issues: Your failure to address the excessive frame flex issues, a significant concern among RV owners, is glaring. This omission makes it appear as though you're avoiding the 'elephant in the room.' Trust: By not discussing major flaws, it undermines the trust that your audience places in your reviews. Viewers expect comprehensive and honest assessments, not selective coverage. Viewer Disappointment: Many of us rely on your reviews to make informed decisions. Ignoring such a critical issue could lead viewers to make purchases they might regret, based on incomplete information. Ethical Concerns: Not addressing serious defects raises questions about the integrity of your reviews and whether external pressures or relationships are influencing your content. Lost Opportunity for Impact: As a respected voice in the RV community, you have the platform to drive improvements by holding manufacturers accountable. This was a missed opportunity to advocate for quality and reliability. This approach compromises your credibility and does a disservice to your viewers. We need you to be a voice that champions truth and thoroughness in RV reviews.
@munich204 ай бұрын
Just another frame problem waiting to happen, no one will give fair trade in valve due to frame issues step up GD make it right !!!! buyer beware this might be a sinking ship
@Itsa_MeaАй бұрын
This unit along with the 415G has the newer designed Rhinobox frame that is 40% stronger. I've tested the 415G per Lippert's test and after 12k miles and shows no movement.
@troyturner-ve1zj5 ай бұрын
I agree there is a frame issue on some models and not all of them! But this topic is like airplanes, you only hear on the news the one that crashed. You never hear how many successful flights take off and land every day. I own a GD and absolutely love it, when shopping in its price point nothing on the market even compared. Yes there has been a view things rattled loose, but its expected when your pulling a hollow box 60mph down these shit roads…
@msmo20604 ай бұрын
It’s so disappointing to see Matt & Will kiss GD’s ass.. I thought they were better then this
@gregmonhollen43274 ай бұрын
Their sales have dropped in the last 12 months and still dropping
@craigwest52545 ай бұрын
Frame is going to break - STAY AWAY
@RalphSanabria5 ай бұрын
Very nice I love the RV Matt you are the man!!! 😀
@stevez3405 ай бұрын
I just hope you don’t buy one😮😮😮
@alvindorris43735 ай бұрын
Really poelpe. Iam on roas lots.i Really don't see but few of thus kind..y can't more be up front and severs after the sale like new guys..BRINKLEY....Y..?
@Retired5oh5 ай бұрын
Couldn't even watch the video, the smoke detector chirping was driving my dogs crazy so I couldn't listen to the audio.
@rob38125 ай бұрын
great walk thru. Grand Design is by far one of the best manf on the market.
@meggewatts5 ай бұрын
Yes, if you want to have a frame failure.
@rob38125 ай бұрын
I think lippert makes these frames for all Manf. So your labeling the entire market@@meggewatts
@meggewatts5 ай бұрын
@@rob3812 there are plenty of KZbin channels that have data to show 90% of them that are reporting them are one manufacturer.
@happygil785 ай бұрын
@@rob3812so why is GD the only one having major frame failure issues???