Mature Hoya Suddenly Dying?! | Hoya Conundrums

Hello! Today is we have another episode of Hoya conundrums and this time I picked some questions that I don’t necessarily know all the answers to! However, I thought it would be fun, and it also gives an opportunity for a discussion in the comments below!
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:25 Transitioning Water Propagations to a Potting Mix
09:08 How to Avoid Bud Blast on Hoya multiflora
13:14 How to Trick Cool Growing Hoyas into Blooming
16:52 Mature Hoyas Suddenly Dying?!
21:18 My IKEA Greenhouse Cabinet Setup for Hoyas
26:40 A BONUS Question!
28:29 Outro
30:24 Patreon Thank You
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[@BasiePlants]

Did you know how to pronounce Hoya ‘Michele’?

[@finestracheride]

I had made an educated guess 😜

[@BasiePlants]

@@finestracheride It is easy for you! 😂 I mispronounced it the first time, but the second time around it was better. It is better than when people pronounce it ‘Michelle’ as in Michelle Obama. I also probably could have thought of a different Michelle.

[@finestracheride]

@@BasiePlants Your pronunciation is spot on 😉

[@MrPavittran]

Is it like Mik-Kale

[@MimaKovac]

No, I was pronouncing it like Ć 😅

[@surfgirlgonzales3163]

good morning: I myself have a very very very old hoya...when i was very young over 50 years ago I took a clipping off of my dads hoya that he had taken from his great great grandmother that had the plant since 1825!!!!!! my hoya was so massive but last year i decided to cut her way back and instead of her climbing up trellis i exposed all the woody thick stems and let her hang vines instead. OMG it was like a rebirth of her old stems because they were exposed to more sunshine and water from misting the new leaves that appeared all over the stems was a miracle in the making. soooo beautiful. she looks like a new young massive plant. there was many many leaves that fell off of her while i was untangling her from trellis and i stuck all the leaves in a basket with soil and now that basket is massive in just one year.!!!!! I feel i have one of the oldest hoyas in the world!!! and love her dearly. thanks for your videos..

[@aniliname]

There are a lot of plants that start to decline for no apparent reason after 2-3 years and the reason often ends up being that the potting mix becomes too compressed and loses its airiness. Sometimes simply an old potting mix that condensed from top watering is the culprit.

[@nicolemorreau9977]

You are fulfilling a need by answering these questions. It is noble work, Hoya Gandalf ❤

[@cyndalcarter]

We need a wishlist video for sure!! I love watching your videos!

[@BasiePlants]

And then people will tell me how they added a new hoya to their wishlist because of me 😂

[@bethadamik8014]

I have older Hoyas that have woody stems with no issues so far!! I would be so excited to see your wishlist Miro!! Happy potting!!! 💚💚💚

[@sherrykumar2883]

Would love to see a Hoya wishlist 👍

[@BasiePlants]

I think one Hoya wishlist video is in order too!

[@naleeyang5926]

I have no experience with the colder plant blooming and also older plants dying. But I have recently moved away from water prop/ leca prop and into cocopeat- Coco coir and perlite proping. Been working like a dream

[@Miles_Hoffman]

Thank you for the interesting information about Hoya. I’m going to put my Linarius out in the fall to see if it’ll bloom- I’ve yet to have a blooming Hoya here in Las Vegas. It maybe just to dry. But one of my houseplant students gave me cutting of a carnosa that she states blooms a lot. It’s rooting up and going to be potted up soon. I’ll post about it (would love to get some of your feed back over on my Chanel 😁) thanks for the video

[@susanpratt6344]

Would you happen to know why leaves sometimes come out looking kind of deformed? No bug sign that I can see. Thanks for your time. Will look at 1-4 of these videos in case you covered that issue already. This is driving me crazy.

[@NaTyra6411]

You really have the best laugh, lol. Loved the video! Thank you 🌺

[@clairegray6027]

Fantastic soothing hoya ramblings. Perfection.

[@Wendy-zl8kv]

Thank you for another informative video. You are extremely knowledgeable and don’t forget it!! 🙌🙌

[@jelenamitrovic9039]

That's some FINE weatherstripping on that Milsbo, did you have any help with that? 😁 I would very much enjoy seeing Hoya wishlist video 💜

[@BasiePlants]

I like how everything I said I did with the Milsbo was actually done by you 😂 But let's not get nitpicky about the details.

[@jelenamitrovic9039]

@@BasiePlants Hahahahaha yes, and I had multiple trial and errors with mine, so you actually get the smartest version 😂

[@bonbory4590]

My linearis was blooming in room with temperature 21-25 celsium. In some videos i saw, that they react on day length and not blooming when u use grow light too many hours per day

[@BasiePlants]

Some claimed that too for thomsonii and lyi, but moving them into window with natural light only didn't help at all. :) I also know a hoya collector with a very big collection who had linearis for many years, and it never bloomed for them, despite many other blooming. I think we still have a lot to learn about them 😄

[@melaniemicans6091]

Hi my grandma has a Hoya Carnosa definitely older than 40 years and she gave me a piece five years ago.

[@faegoyle777]

My oldest Hoya Krimson Queen is about 10 now. I decided she wasn't thriving so I pulled her out to repot. There was zero soil. So I choose a slightly larger pot, added soil and now I've got new healthy growth. Funny thing, she has never stopped blooming.

[@123astbury]

I'm not a huge Hoya fan, but I really enjoy your well researched info. I didn't realize Hoya needed cool temps to bloom. I have a couple of Hoya that constantly bloom in a cool bathroom. I was thinking of moving them, but I'm glad I didn't. 🌻

[@triciaboyce2308]

Thanks for the great plant info my friend...on another note...I just started and finished watching wheels of time in 3 days...luv the show!!

[@otisschroeder9790]

You’re always convincing with your pleas to subscribe!🤣. As an aside, the wheel of time series is the absolute best!!

[@aco614]

Hi Miro, would you ever do another Hoya indepth guide about Hoya Serpens? Its my favourite hoya!☺

[@BasiePlants]

Perhaps! :) I will need to get it to bloom though!

[@tuulieve]

I know vinegar is great way to get rid of bad smells (I use a cup of vinegar in my trash cabinet). Maybe give it a try with your Ikea cabinet? Just a cup of vinegar somewhere in there and it should help.

[@plantladyonamission]

Yes! Would love to see a wish list video.:-)

[@BasiePlants]

I guess I will have to make one! 😂

[@MsAjc1993]

Yes make a wish list video!

[@sherryporsch9349]

Yes Wish list video!! 😀💚

[@karenmyers9146]

Yes would love a Hoya wish list.

[@gariatzagauro9813]

Yes, please

[@mg8565]

I use Monios T8s in a 60cm length, as they come in a set of 6. I arranged my Milsbo into three shelves and put two lights above each shelf, but with the bottom half being one shelf area, and the top half being two shelf areas. Immediately, the growth and coloration were stunning, but after about four weeks I realized the two upper shelves were simply getting too much light (the plants told me - they were growing down), and I reduced them to one bulb per shelf instead of two - this seems to have helped. The bottom area seems fine, with the lights 45-60-ish centimeters above the plants. And then, my incrasatta Moonshadow developed black spots and had to come out of the cabinet. I hope the spots stop but they have not. Now, I am struggling a bit with the hoyas in coco husk which may be a terrible medium for indoor growing, for me, because I can't figure out the watering with this medium given the high humidity - luckily it's only a few species but the krohniana can't keep new leaves and they're always raining down to the bottom of the cabinet due to watering issues. It's a learning curve I hope to master soon, and perhaps the krohniana doesn't need to be in the cabinet as it seemed easier to water consistently in my 30% humidity home.

[@mwoods4608]

Can you show propagating from start to finish with very small leaf hoyas with very short internodes?

[@TheQueensWish]

Wishlist video would be great.

[@maddart4445]

I put Hoyas right in the soil and it’s been great.

[@gutplants]

I have seen very mature Hoya carnosa, Hoya australis, and Hoya pubicalyx. I rarely see any other species well established in conservatories or greenhouses. These 3 species are also probably the most common ones to find for sale around me- so perhaps the more common hoya we see are the ones that don’t have to be restarted as often?

[@jeaumanneh]

Wishlist video!!!!

[@TalkPlantyToMe]

Just added multifora to my wishlist because of this video. 😍

[@BasiePlants]

I support that action 😂

[@NerdyKathi]

Hoya Gandalf! Great info as always, but why do they call them 'blasted' buds? And OK, I won't confirm I love the Wheel of Time. 😂

[@BasiePlants]

Something Hoya people say 😂 They blast buds before they are open, meaning they drop them while still closed. I would have never guessed you are a fan of WOT as well 😂

[@tasdefeuilles]

Ahhh I have a theory for unexplained Hoya deaths !!! I was thinking about it in relation to hydro culture but it could be the same for soil. I was talking to someone who is very knowledgeable about growing plants of the smokeable kind if you know what I mean. They were saying that it’s extremely important to flush your plants using a product like Florakleen that will dissolve the salt buildup from the nutrient solution. If the salts builds up on the roots it will cause a nutrient lockout which means the plant will longer be able to take in nutrients through those roots and will suffocate to death. Flushing using tap water is not super efficient, mine is around 200ppm. Using ro or distilled water would be better but I’ve noticed I significant difference using florakleen and you can use it in soil too(not sponsored 😂). I’ve definitely had plants in leca die this way. My guess would be that it happens with soil too just after a longer period of time. Anybody has any insight on this theory ? 😅

[@charissecarrigan2945]

Wow! I feel liike a super-star....I'm one of your oldest viewers. (Really? so few of us, that you stop at 65+) LOL 🤣😂😜

[@farinsexplodiertefreundin215]

My danumensis threw off all its leafes too.. but since the stem and roots looked healthy, it somehow revived after I put it into a warmer und more humid environment. And now she lives a happy life without extra humidity.. Dont ask me how that works because i dont fucking know xD

[@yougrowgail2535]

Hi Miro 👋🏼 Love your videos!! My question is , I watched an older video where you said as much as you love the look of the glass cabinets you did not think they were practical or optimal for housing plants. You mentioned fans inside not being adequate for air circulation and other reasons. What made you change your mind on this opinion?

[@BasiePlants]

That is true! I am still unsure if the fans are adequate long term and it would be optimal if there was real exchange of fresh air as more serious enclosures for plants have. However, hoyas don’t seem to mind and it seems they thrive in there. I am not sure how larger leaved plants would do in there long term or even some of these hoyas, so I will still change the setup one more time that will allow for more airflow and so plants won’t be as crowded, but it will have to wait. There are still many disadvantages to having this cabinet and there are more cost-effective solutions in my opinion, but I also had to get it to try it out :) I was too curious. Also, I did attempt to hire a carpenter to make a glass cabinet that is much larger than this one but he quoted me over 100 euros just for the door frame with no glass which I thought was outrageously expensive so I decided to give this a go. I am liking it more though than I thought it would but I am still waiting to see how plants will do in it long-term. Hope that answers your question!

[@yougrowgail2535]

@@BasiePlants Thank you so much Miro for sharing your thoughts!! I was so curious what your reasoning was . I too have thought many times about finding a beautiful glass cabinet but have had the same concerns as you mentioned. I will be curious to hear your thoughts long term on this option!! I really value your thoughts as it is evident that you research and do your homework on all things green!! 💚

[@andreamartin6920]

How do you keep algae from growing in those clear containers?

[@andreamartin6920]

By the way, I should have mentioned I really enjoy watching your informational and humorous videos, thank you for taking the time to offer these.

[@katrinav.8503]

What I noticed about sudden hoya death 💀 is 1. When you let them to dry too much and then water, they get root rot. 2. When winter comes and days are darker and shorter, and you think that’s all right, I will water less and will be fine- ( grow light is too pricey bla bla bla) then they get root rot too and die around Christmas… Yes please hoya wish list!!

[@stjepanskrlin5555]

Nema te svijet 💪

[@VickyHafler]

Do you have a Hoya polyneura? Mine seems yellow but it’s growing like crazy.

[@BasiePlants]

I do! It is not yellow, and it does grow like crazy but it simply refuses to bloom. It seems to prefer less light than other of my hoyas, and it definitely would appreciate some cooler temperatures. The buds always blast on that one while they are still small.

[@guysiberry3011]

Wish away!

[@finestracheride]

The only hoyas that bloom (like crazy) in my house are Carnosa, Bella and Polyneura. Guess that tells a lot about our inside temperatures 😩

[@BasiePlants]

I can never get polyneura to bloom at all! It keeps putting out peduncles but they always turn yellow while they are very small. I am so happy you can get it to bloom 💚

[@debracancelliere4081]

You do know The Hoya Gandalf is gonna pop up somewhere?

[@MimaKovac]

So basically what I have to do is to provide rooting point on every 1m of growth for my hoyas 🤔😅 I guess my apartment will look interesting 👀😄

[@diannh2894]

Mine was paper thin after being healthy forevr 😢 and i watered and watered and now i saw frkn mealybugs!!! ughhhhh

[@BasiePlants]

Oh I am sorry :(

[@melrussell7830]

My Hoya linearis was growing very well, but started to go very woody at the top of the plant and went down hill, because it was unable to get any nutrients and water.

[@BasiePlants]

I heard that happen to some people's linearis as well! Mine will get the scissors if it starts acting up. 😂

[@georgetaivanovici1135]

Even the best substrate is gone in three years, so the decomposing of the substrate causes the death of mature hoyas.

[@betsybegonia]

You gotta stop saying blasted buds cuz it sounds like butts. All I hear is butts. It has a peduncle which will form new butts.

[@betsybegonia]

Blasted butts.

[@BasiePlants]

😂😂😂 It sounds like a you issue. (I do have to admit, I had the same thought while I was editing, but shhhh)

[@MrPavittran]

Hai Miro, Pavi here. I might have some information that you might find useful on 'the Hoya getting old and dying' conundrum, not exact answers but perhaps "data" on the possible cause of death that you had mentioned. I will try to contact you on Instagram if you don't mind, as I do have pictures to share. 🐣

[@michaelm9643]

Wishlist video!!!!