Max/MSP Tutorial | A granular synthesiser built with [codebox] in gen~

[@mattkaz9604]

Amazing. My own granular attempts are quite primitive when I look at this. I'll have to re-watch this a few more times and get my brain around these new ideas. Huge thanks.

[@toneparticle]

Thanks Matt. Hope it eventually helps you to make some music with it and gives you more confidence with codebox!

[@WeztMAADmusic]

What command or menu you use for create the Density element in 6:25 ? and what is his name?? Thank you!

[@ThomasOwens-t2f]

I need this... did you find out what it is called?

[@ThomasOwens-t2f]

Oh press 'A' as a command lol

[@vojkofau]

very interesting. I would love to see some codebox programming of physical modeling, something other than karplus-strong

[@toneparticle]

Thanks for watching. That's quite a challenging topic, but I will look into it

[@ilijadjordjevic9087]

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[@vojkofau]

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[@TimShatnyy]

Thank you very much! Amazing and very clear tutorial!

[@bigmistqke]

First time looking at genexpr and looks quite an elegant language. I like the way how you can return multiple values and decompose them like you did with pan_left, pan_right.

[@bigmistqke]

Ok lol and then 30:44 happened

[@toneparticle]

@@bigmistqke Yep - it has its limitations!! But it is great to be able to incorporate code into your patches so easily. And returning multiple values from a function is really nice. Thanks for watching!

[@00Dakka]

@@toneparticle btw, you can optimise this by using a for loop with the accumulator inside instead of unrolling the loop

[@toneparticle]

@@00Dakka thanks for this. I don't think it's possible as long as there are latch and delta objects within the loop. I'm going to make a video soon of how I've managed to make a granular Synth with a for loop

[@JeshuaW]

Ty for providing this info. I plan on building it this weekend :)

Thanks for the great tutorial! It's a bummer that the for loop doesn't work, my fix was to make it into an mc.gen~ and set voices to mc_channelcount. Then the first argument for make_grain could be mc_channel-1. For many more voices I also had to increase the max density.

[@martypants88]

thanks for the great tutorial, really helpful. wondering if you could share some insight in how to use the in1 on the gen~ instead of the buffer. trying to implement something similar to this in my eurorack system with daisy, but for that i need to use in 1 as the input instead of a buffer. i have a sample going in to in1 and looping and have been trying to change the Buffer smpl ("smpl") to something like smpl = in1; but that obviously didnt work. any tips for a newbie?? thanks!

[@martypants88]

any idea :))?

[@martypants88]

i got this to work by using poke to write in1 to a data node within gen~ with a counter. also built a little system to trigger the recording when a sound is present at the input. just wondering what to do with this line of code in the codebox: c = counter(p,in1,voices); this in1 should be changed to something eles i think

[@giorgioalloatti4558]

@@martypants88 hi trying to figure out to do the same thing as i got also a daisy patch could be good to share some infos about

[@runner0075]

Awesome , great tutorial

[@_trashcode]

hi. thanks for this amazing video. it helped me a lot. did you ever made the loop work?

[@martypants88]

anyone else get a lot of clicks when increasing the spray param? any good way to smooth that out ideas??

[@AndrewGordonBellPerc]

This was great! Have you gotten it working with for loops yet? That's the part of Gen~ that I'm most curious about, as I haven't really had experience with that sort of code as it applies to sound.

[@toneparticle]

I have indeed. I'll do another shorter tutorial soon

[@christdolphin69]

how would you use that buffer~ smpl in rnbo? everything else seems to be pretty easy to migrate over this rules, by the way. thanks for sharing

[@toneparticle]

Thanks. I've migrated a more complicated version of this over to RNBO and I swear there's a bug with the buffer referencing. The only way round for me was to only have a buffer reference in the max patch outside and the gen~ patch inside the RNBO

[@christdolphin69]

@@toneparticle can i see that anywhere? im trying to incorporate a good granular sampler into a react project for class and it needs to be rnbo. thanks for the tip, i'm just very weak with max in general

[@hedinziskadavidsen]

Very nice. However mine seems to play back at a lot higher pitch. When loading a sound with a constant pitch into the buffer and just playing the buffer back using a play~ object the granular is wayyyy higher. Any thoughts? I have checked the code to the best of my ability, but I can't see anything wrong.

[@toneparticle]

Thanks for watching and following along. Feel free to send me your code via my website and I'll take a look

[@toneparticle]

just tested mine. no difference unless the sample was recorded at a different sample rate to what i'm using on max

[@highharmonics]

Thanks for this great tutorial! - I'm new to gen~ but have exp wi other programming - so this is a great help in my learning about GenExpr. I took a look at the loop problem. I got it to work by setting a lower loop number for(i = 0; i < 10; i += 1) {... The strange thing is that the upper limit it will tolerate changes. Yesterday I could only go up to i < 5. Today the limit is higher - I was changing this value gradually, then restarting DSP, and got up to 20 voices. Then later it wouldn't go above 10... I speculate that it is some problem with internal to Max. It would be good to post this in the cycling74 Gen forum. I'm so new to gen I'm hesitant as I may be missing something. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. The loop problem is definitely worth solving -- cut & pasting those code blocks is really ugly! I'm already building on this with a function to allow for different windowing options for amp. The Hann window is great, but with granular I find that interesting results can come from different amp envelopes. Would love to communicate more on this. I also found that the pitch spread Param didn't work quite as I expected. When I set it to 0, I don't get any audio output, and as I increase from 0 - .01 it seems that the output amplitude is rising as the sound starts to become audible. I hear nothing at 0. So when I'm testing the loop, I had to make sure that spread was not 0.

[@Illkacirma]

great! thx!

[@massimilianomascaro]

thanks a lot

[@damienpascoe8025]

this tutorial is epic.. next step, learn how to export to raspberry pi devices. so much more fun making your own synths

[@RAFAELLO077]

How did you learn this ? :)

[@toneparticle]

by looking at the code tab in normal gen~ patches, trial + error and the occasional "eureka" moment in the shower