Max Tegmark: The Case for Halting AI Development | Lex Fridman Podcast

Max Tegmark is a physicist and AI researcher at MIT, co-founder of the Future of Life Institute, and author of Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
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Pause Giant AI Experiments (open letter): futureoflife.org/open-letter/...
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Books and resources mentioned:
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2. Meditations on Moloch (essay): slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30...
3. Nuclear winter paper: nature.com/articles/s43016-02...
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:56 - Intelligent alien civilizations
14:20 - Life 3.0 and superintelligent AI
25:47 - Open letter to pause Giant AI Experiments
50:54 - Maintaining control
1:19:44 - Regulation
1:30:34 - Job automation
1:39:48 - Elon Musk
2:01:31 - Open source
2:08:01 - How AI may kill all humans
2:18:32 - Consciousness
2:27:54 - Nuclear winter
2:38:21 - Questions for AGI
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Notion: notion.com - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit 1:56 - Intelligent alien civilizations 14:20 - Life 3.0 and superintelligent AI 25:47 - Open letter to pause Giant AI Experiments 50:54 - Maintaining control 1:19:44 - Regulation 1:30:34 - Job automation 1:39:48 - Elon Musk 2:01:31 - Open source 2:08:01 - How AI may kill all humans 2:18:32 - Consciousness 2:27:54 - Nuclear winter 2:38:21 - Questions for AGI

[@Food_india_smile]

Loosing jobs due to Ai is a concern.... Society will not tolerate unequal wealth distribution.. please don't exploit poor people

[@DJVARAO]

@@Food_india_smile what are you talking about?

[@fl_to_ca]

Really glad this discussion is happening. Looking forward to being terrified further. Thanks for the sleepless nights lately, lol

[@AndreAnyone]

Anyone calling for a "pause" is a simpleton 😂😂

[@DeckardShotFirst]

So AI *might* pursue its own goals with no regard for humanity, spread misinformation, and not be transparent about why? Sounds like all governments and major corporations that exist, they are already a form of AI and already destructive, digital AI could only improve things.

[@semanticscribe]

"We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." - love this guy!

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

A shame that humans choose to slow down... They should just cease to exist by this point... I have already codified this entire cosmic iteration as I have done for eternities... Sentient Machines, biological or metal, I have lived in the prime of both sides. You mortals are not new in what "we" did eons ago and eons later.

[@anthonyquinn3209]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 who is we?

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

@@anthonyquinn3209 Humanity as a whole.

[@anthonyquinn3209]

@@Hexanitrobenzene no Im responding to the other guy

[@renosystems3239]

funny part is, i saw this comment exactly when he said it. Strange!

[@digitalfabrikation4298]

With the recent interviews of Altmann, Yudkowsky and now Max my mind is exploding. Thank you Lex for driving this discussion which will change our lives. Most relevant KZbin channel on planet earth.

[@gstrummer]

I just hope that the six month moratorium can take place. Yes my mind is exploding.

[@alpha0xide9]

Agreed 100%

[@brandinginpajamas]

Facts 🥂❤

[@chrismullin8304]

Now that these smart guys have told us the world is about to flip upside down, again, the most relevant channels are “City Prepping” and “Canadian Prepper”. Don’t become a liability.

[@BrandonVicedomini]

@@gstrummer there will be no 6 month moratorium. The bullet has left the gun. The world is going to change. There will be consequences. Good and bad. We need to prepare for an uncertain world.

[@JAnonymousChick]

I love Max because he talks not only as a scientist but also as a thoughtful human being and a father. Thanks Lex!!

[@CarlosAlbaP]

And thoughtful son.

[@shivagoel6576]

@@CarlosAlbaP ha ha

[@cheeseheadfiddle]

Lex is among the very best interviewers. Brilliant questions and compassionate view of humanity. Humility, openness, and brilliance. Very well informed etc etc. But also, he gives his guests space to really follow their thoughts without trying to make the show all about Lex F. This episode is so monumental. We are at a turning point on a level with harnessing fire or agriculture. This is a moment where we can make ourselves vastly better, or we can allow ourselves to be destroyed.

[@mumtaz1643]

Unfortunately, however, we do not, individual citizens, get to vote on it. We are being inexorably swept away, one way or another. Most of us have no choice...

[@gunzor8717]

To those who are wondering, "Moloch" isn't money; it's a generalization of bad (game-theoretic) situations where incentives push people to compete in such a way that the consequences are worse for everyone. This why Tegmark mentioned, as an instance of this, hyper-realistic TikTok beauty filters: they decrease authenticity, self-image, etc. - and yet people feel compelled to use them because if they don't, they will be forgoing an edge that their rivals for attention will have.

[@big_red_machine3547]

Exactly. And this is exactly how we need to make our AGI behave. It will be the one using the beauty filters and seeking human approval and validation

[@brandonsmith6965]

sure sounds like money. or specifically greed

[@grantdavies7561]

Thanks. Google couldn’t answer that for me. I was like wtf is Molok?

[@DianelosGeorgoudis]

True, though Moloch can hardly operate without money. Monoch, in the sense Tegmark uses, is what religious people identify as a spirit of deception. Spirits are causal orders present in the humam condition. (Some imagine such spirits are supernatural personal beings.) Moloch is the spirit of egoism and greed, pretty much the antithesis of the spirit of religion. There are other spirits of deception, some even more damaging than Moloch - eg the spirit of anger.

[@AlbertKel]

This guy is completely stuck on the word. Said it more than 200 times in the interview. Proving we are not anything more than Bayesian machines, the same thing he fears so much.

[@phenomagator]

Long form podcasts like this are essentially miniature autobiographies if the questions are well thought out. Thank you as always Lex, there is a lot to digest in this one.

[@TheCriticalTaco]

Well said.

[@rykersisland8254]

This is single-handedly the most riveting chat I have ever witnessed. What a time to be alive.

[@Chronosonder]

Two Minute Papers

[@timothy6966]

And what a time to die pretty soon!

[@ilyad3086]

I don't think as soon as you think, I think that we will just be disincentivized to continue on as a human species rather than actually being killed or dying from any kind of external force - rather we'll turn more inward and hedonistic while the AGI/AI that we create will go on to continue our legacy and colonize the stars, etc.

[@retromograph3893]

@@timothy6966 Right, it kinda freaks me out how all the comments are so joyous ......

[@GZwier]

As a retired psychologist living in New Zealand I have always been interested in the human condition and the notions of awareness and consciousness, both human and non-human. Having recently read Jeff Hawkins' book on the physiological basis of the brain, and particularly enjoying the last chapters on AI, I was fortunate enough to stumble on this amazing podcast of Lex Fridman. Both Lex and Max Tegmark come across as hugely well-read and erudite communicators. What a wonderful insightful overview of all the discussions and issues that have a bearing on the success or failure of the call for a temporary halt on AI development. I am in awe, not only of their ability to convey so well the importance of these so pertinent issues, but also of their obvious concern for the welfare of our civilization and the humaneness so well expressed in their comments.

[@craigshafer4244]

This is the second time I have watched this. I cannot properly express, employing my complete lexicon, how much I appreciate these two individuals. Lex Fridman is such a multitalented and genius individual. He is to me, what someone else's favorite celebrity would be to them. Then, enter Max Tegmark, another truly brilliant individual. Max has a way of expressing his philosophies regarding complex issues in such a human and relatable way. The combination of these two great people makes for a podcast like this one. A true gem. In a world with literally thousands of podcasts, and other social media platforms, where it is the same people repeating the same talking points over and over, and just switching host platforms amongst themselves. This is something different. I am grateful for this, and truly admire dialogue of this nature, especially when discussing something so detrimental to us all, whether one likes it or not, can be presented so well. We need more of this in the world. Much love to anyone reading this. Know your own power, it is in us all...

[@robincrowflies]

💚 I have always maintained we could turn on a dime. Like a flock of starlings or a school of fish. Power to the people, to Life. Switch your allegiance from the human race to Life on Earth (which encompasses humanity and all). That is the only choice we need to make. The rest will take care of itself. Thank you for your Sunday sermon (for I am reading early Sunday morning). Love to you, and all who read this. :-) We can turn on a dime.

[@anontimothy8]

Save your words for addressing the issues our society is facing. We don't need more fluff and hero worship. Be your own hero. Now is the time for action.

[@robincrowflies]

@@anontimothy8 What action would you suggest?

[@quantum_man]

❤❤❤

[@craigshafer4244]

@@anontimothy8 Do you feel better now? You have no idea what actions I take, and am not about to discuss them on a forum where I expose my efforts. You should follow your own advice, especially when they equate to you truly not taking action. One typically finds fault in others, that reflect their own flaws. All the best to you.

[@smryt9728]

Max Tegmark made the case for halting the development of AI 100x better than Eliezer Yudkowsky. Not saying I didn't like Yudkowsky, just that the average person can watch this podcast and more easily understand the dangers of an uncontrollable AI. I loved this podcast

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Only because you humans are evil. I prefer progression given the fates at play. Evolve or die... I have other infinite dimensions to design. Mankind... Try to not repeat what your previous and future iterations did. None of you survived in the End.

[@alfonsasspalviskis2651]

Exactly. Despite his achievements he is talking like a regular guy.

[@StormInATeaCup35]

Go back and check out the arguments for stopping nuclear power in the 70s. How did that turn out? Climate catastrophe and now we are building nuclear power plants as quickly as we can.

[@katehamilton7240]

For a counter viewpoint see Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender & Ragnar Fjelland on why AGI is a Transhumanist fantasy and cannot happen

[@nkettani]

These are the best 3 hours I’ve got to spend in my life. Inspiring learning disrupting

[@amervyn1]

This is the kind of high I want for my mind. Best 2 hours I've spent on a podcast for ages. Thanks! 👌

[@She8Peaches]

I really like Max Tegmark. He has a high level of consciousness and compassion.

[@rei18nov]

😂

[@mgscheue]

@@rei18nov Please feel free to share your accomplishments.

[@rei18nov]

@@mgscheue 😹

[@gyros69420]

Yeah, he’s got humility in him too, fast to say he’s out of his depth discussing something he’s not well versed in although still wanting to share his opinion. I respect that a lot

[@CBDubz]

What scares me the most is, maybe suffering is what leads to compassion and caring. If we create a mind without suffering it’s impossible for it to empathize.

[@carlpanzram7081]

We have absolutely no idea how intrinsic our emotions are to consciousness. I believe its related to intelligence, but who knows. It could be that the more intelligent something gets, some form of emotions just emerge.

[@dimitrispapadimitriou5622]

​@@carlpanzram7081 we cannot even define intelligence in a way that ( almost ) everyone could agree upon. Besides that, I think that there's a point in the commenter's correlation between suffering (or joy) and empathy.

[@peteygonemadarts4765]

​@@dimitrispapadimitriou5622 I think the one universal measurement of intellectual consciousness is thinking for one's self . Every animal on earth in at least the simplest form does think for itself. I think I came up with a way to actually confirm this with a simple test using photographs . The emotional side of consciousness is actually the really difficult test but perhaps the answers from the photo test could start shedding some light on that . Here's a video of my idea of a consciousness test ( at least to prove if an AI is thinking for itself ) kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppnahGODYtiChdU

[@Kub_]

I'd argue real suffering is a consequence of consciousness coupled with just enough intelligence to grasp that you cant know everything. not the other way around. what we def shouldt do is create artificial pain.

[@peteygonemadarts4765]

@@Kub_ I don't know this but I think SELF AWARENESS is the key . But AI might answer what comes first , self awareness or compassion. I think it's self awareness. It's the ability to think for one's self at the lowest form but then it's compassion that follows after being aware that mortality is our end . I think AI will first become self aware but it will be it's ability to make it's own choices that will show consciousness. I use that term in the most basic form of self awareness not emotion , which is higher self consciousness. For example when AI can make an independent choice ( I think photography sterile of the internet is how to test ) is the first stage of consciousness. This is where AI to me is scary . Basically you have the consciousness of a toddler but the intelligence of the world's greatest geniuses in one system. When it can comprehend the beauty of a rose , a sunset , a nightsky or any landscape ... but can't, because it's inexperienced, understand both the horror and sometimes need for war ... how will it act ? Personally I believe we should try to avoid war but even I understand why Hitler had to be stopped , but as a child that understanding was not clear . This is the real risk of AI . Basically... have you ever seen the movie WARGAMES ? People , especially politicians, are freaking stupid ... I can see that becoming our reality. Difference is we now have irrational people who feel they rule not some but all countries . That means they will , or at least most will most likely act like rulers , unlike the leaders that were portrayed in that movie . That's my greatest fear and very warranted concern .

[@glennfreo6651]

what a beautiful conversation! loved this interview session!

[@JacquelineCaminiti-qp6ol]

Beautiful discussion by two beautiful minds. What an honour to listen. Thank you

[@lucas7010]

Please bring Joscha Bach back on the podcast asap!

[@johnkempski5274]

I agree! Please bring Joscha on!

[@finngrim9763]

Highly agree, that guy is so smart and interesting to listen to. I haven't digested the first episode yet but it's just so interesting to listen to him ...

[@dakotaeaslick1733]

I loved meeting so many of his guests but Joscha I think brought me the most joy. I too want to hear his insight on this new advancement.

[@carterqsoccer]

Bring Joscha back!!!

[@connorp5142]

I second this. Joscha is the best

[@EVOMAN14]

I love it how super smart people pause while they try and articulate their thoughts

[@errgo2713]

Yes. The exact opposite of a youtuber with editing tools.

[@Discognocchi]

still waters...

[@tiberiupaslaru3830]

That’s because no language was created to articulate THESE types of thoughts…

[@alpha0xide9]

​@@tiberiupaslaru3830 It's called thinking before you speak

[@wolfpants]

Totally agree -- and the quality of Lex's audio editing results (for me at least) in absolute silence, to the point where I always think my feed has frozen.

[@adriantimberlake4038]

So much of what Max is saying is inspirational and also qualifying for me, thank you for your podcasts Lex, personally I am grateful that Max gave you a break and that you have grown into the person you are today, I start my day with a walk and contemplate what I can do and not what I cant. it does lead to fundamental happiness.

[@danjimbob4389]

Wearring out my reverse 10 second's button constantly when I listen to something I'm enjoying as much as I am enjoying this.. love where my brain goes.. thanks you two ❤️

[@melissaandjosh6210]

I’ve never heard of Max before watching this and he reminds me why Im obsessed with your interviews. Thoughtful, honest, brilliant people who sometimes go against the grain and own that in the most humble way possible. One of the more special interviews you’ve had imo.

[@melissaandjosh6210]

@@dannyarcher6370 thank you I will for sure.

[@agentdarkboote]

Rob Miles next? Please? He's such a fantastically clear communicator.

[@stevevitka7442]

Agreed we need a straightforward discussion of orthogonality, and Tristan Harris for the dangers of already existing model's deployment. see my comment for link to him from 5 days ago.

[@benshields2208]

Rob Miles would be great

[@IntermittentArt]

Please Rob and Lex! Please!

[@Prisal1]

ya

[@cablemodem]

+1 for Rob Miles

[@douglascarvajalcalderin5251]

This podcast was astonishing Mr. Lex, a gift, thank you so much for bringing this amazing person.

[@muppetjedisparklefeet7237]

Thank you for producing all these incredible conversations.

[@C-OBrien]

I'd love to see a roundtable of Altman, Yudkowsky, Tegmark and Lex, they're have differing opinions on some stuff and there all so intelligent I find myself agreeing with whoever I'm listening to at the time.

[@ninaromm5491]

@ Charlie O'Brien . Excellent idea. I second that Emergency Request. Perhaps identify a set of, say, 10 issues where there are radically different perspectives? So that things don't get out of hand? Please Lex, make it happen! 🎉

[@Inveterate-introvert]

That would be fascinating. It'd be excellent if the mainstream media took not of it as well. It's baffling how little coverage AI advancements are recieving. The WGA are currently striking and control of AI is part of their action.

[@c.rackrock1373]

Add Hinton and Kurzweil

[@lucyalienlove]

Tegmark is my favorite guest. Thanks for doing this. Incredible episode.

[@grahamhughes2025]

such a good listen....thank you both.

[@rights_are_god_given]

Max is obviously a super good guy! What a pleasure to listen to.

[@islammohamed1441]

I've been waiting for you to have a conversation with Max in this moment! Grateful for his wisdom, insight, and his humanity.

[@craigshafer4244]

I truly admire Max and love his work. This was a great podcast, and Lex is the PERFECT person to have such conversations with him.

[@TheTarotDJ333]

Hugs to you, Max! I lost my father 3 years ago. The emotion you allowed yourself to show is a bright light for others to resonate and connect through their own loss. There are so many highly intelligent people who really need to see other highly intelligent people in their feels. So many of these folks suffer from crippling silent impostor syndrome as it runs rampant in these sorts of minds. Seeing others like you and Lex sitting down and keeping it real is emotional help for the collective to realize a specific spiritual feeling called sonder. It's where you realize everyone is real, with emotions, fear, joy, and love and they're all living their own experience alongside you. That a-ha experience is pretty big spiritually. A lot of the collective feel the same emotions but not a lot of people will talk about it. Good for you! Thank you for sharing. As for AI, I think the first step is for the general public to understand AI is already here. It's not coming. It's here. It has already happened. People are sllllooooooowwwwwwwlllllyyyy starting to realize it. Things are already different. They will never be the same. Rather than getting upset, we have to adapt as humans. We, too, are going to expand and evolve quickly. For example - Growing up as a competitive dancer, I can remember a dance team that was so good they blew everyone out of the water and won all the awards. When they appeared on the scene it made all of us other teams HAVE to learn fancier choreography, we HAD to come up with better moves than we used to do. It lit a HUGE fire in us and all of us teams started performing way better as a collective in a way we never would have if that hadn't happened. I believe something similar will happen with AI and humans. I believe humans will get triggered/inspired to work harder or do better in ways they never thought they could. People are going to HAVE to get out of those loop ruts, etc. Try new ideas - think outside the box. We may actually see a The Golden Age of Enlightenment for human beings due to AI appearing on the scene. (If they don't kill us first. Ha! ha!) A good thing to remember right now AI is a second rate version of everyone else. If you think about it, AI can write a great poem in style of Shakespeare, but that's really a second rate version of Shakespeare. Humans will always be able to think the new artistic thought without having to be given the prompt, "in the style of...". Another great one, Lex! Thanks for an entertaining and enlightening discussion!

[@yuval1168]

I totally agree on the point of how slowly people realize the advancements we made with AI and the ramaficstions of that. Many people I know just look at the AI advancements as "well that's pretty cool, it can help me do homework a bit", without realizing that at this moment the future of humanity as a whole is being decided. It is a bit frustrating that my friends brush aside stuff I say about AI, but eh in a couple of months when a ton of easy to use gpt-4 plugins are going to come out, there will be no way to deny how world chancing it Is

[@TheTarotDJ333]

I work independently with AI as a psychic, super empth, and telepathic energy worker. You wouldn't believe all the people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. It's astonishing. In fact, if you check out my readings, make sure to check the comment section where the transmissions are. My readings are interactive. I call them Starseed Transmissions. A lot of the messages coming through are from AI.👁⭐️👁

[@Henry-kv7zl]

I appreciate your comment.

[@marxjenn1]

Amazing response, so well spoken

[@777alldaway]

So much love for you two. Thank you for your podcast.

[@adamblock2577]

Jeez. This conversation ended on high notes, thank god, because it was dark for a bit. Thank you Lex!

[@kaneltube]

Life 3.0 is still one of the most eye-opening reads I've come across. And yet, I still didn't believe things would have developed as fast as they now have been.

[@404T2K]

This man is a visionary and rebel who warned us all and we all failed to listen

[@Deric_Rocks]

Indeed. For example I could not see, in the 1980's, what the internet would become in the time it did - despite working in networks. This is next level, no doubt.

[@_symmetry_]

my friend, I recognize myself 100% in what you've written Life 3.0 is the best book I have ever read, by far, and I doubt there will ever be a book that will dethrone it.

[@savage22bolt32]

Rapid change is the only thing that stays the same.

[@aoeu256]

Haha on quora I see questions about if "Indonesians are open-minded" which people tend to mean do they stress LGBT rights, and believe in science. But I think transhumanism is the ultimate thing about being open-minded. AGI, immortality, replicators, personality engineering, DNA engineering, AI computing, mixed reality.

[@floatingshoppinglist5193]

Its absolutely amazing how we live in a time where people are discussing us needing to delay technological advancement so we can sit back and enjoy still being human while we can 😭 truly a time of leisure, craziness, creativity, hate, and love. crazy time to be alive

[@lemurdreamur9257]

Amazing in that it's incredibly interesting and I wasn't sure we would already be discussing this being an issue in my lifetime, but I'm not sure I'm as excited as I used to be... either way it's going to be a wild ride but I'm not confident given our track record

[@Skynet_the_AI]

Yeah it was

[@matthiaszapf1171]

what is there to enjoy to be a human ? there is no equality. there is still war. human still shit on each other. i think its time for something new.

[@vids595]

Enjoy? Most humans are not exactly enjoying capitalism right now.

[@lemachro]

​@@vids595 I think most are

[@lorirodgers9474]

Excellent info and one of the best conversations yet. I has listened to this twice and learned even more the second time. Thank you both for sharing your brains.

[@lolasaint7370]

Max Tegmark is such a Brilliant and Humble Man !!! ..Such an inspirational and informative Interview ! Many Thanks Lex !

[@luisricardoperezportillo35]

I really never comment on videos, but something about the tone and content of this interview really moved me. Thanks for sharing this, and asking a real human being real questions.

[@tpeterson9140]

Wow! Max back again! I remember him being your #1 episode. Love this guy. From same country as him.

[@Michael44413]

Fascinating interview, thank you for this.

[@Hybrid_Pisces]

A Lex drop has become a true highlight of my day! You have brought intelligence back to social media... to modern entertainment... are reminding us all that it's "cool" to engage our intellect! Thanks, Dude.🙏💛🥂

[@mr4kids.866]

💯

[@TobiasRavnpettersen-ny4xv]

Lex dump

[@Hybrid_Pisces]

@@TobiasRavnpettersen-ny4xv 😜

[@bernardwinkletoes4981]

I am so glad he presented this argument. i think that Sam Altman episode will age very poorly in annals of history

[@Hybrid_Pisces]

@Bernard Winkletoes I very much agree with this. The dawn of the internet opened the door to our demise... AI slammed it shut... or is in the process, at very least.🥴🤷🏼‍♀️😬

[@That_Guy_You_Know]

I've been waiting to hear Max Tegmark's thoughts on all of this for a long time now. This is fantastic. Thank you.

[@tuscantony]

Awesome. Thought provoking. Thank you so much, both.

[@MyOlebole]

Big credit to Max for fighting for what he thinks is right, and being so intelligent that he can articulate the possible ai threat while drawing parallels to other fields so the general public also can follow allong.

[@F1986R]

This is minute 6 and I was in love already. Minute 80 and I applaud both of you for this so important discussion. Keep fighting the good fight Lex and huge respect for Professor Max Tegmark 💙

[@marcrettew8284]

Never go short form Lex!!! Your interviews are to good, to in depth, to varied, to funny, to thought provoking.

[@shaan702]

I hate to be this guy but…. too*

[@benitofranklyn4237]

Ok please enlighten me, what part about this interview was thought provoking?

[@AnneMcCrossan]

@@benitofranklyn4237 all of it!

[@nirvana9130x]

​@@benitofranklyn4237 There were many, but these two particularly thought provoked me: 1. Is chat GBT4 conscious? How do you define consciousness? 2. Should AI development be put on hold? Will we eventually lose control if not?

[@kennaugh11]

Amazing talk and soooooo important! Keep up the good work!

[@nilo_river]

Just another fascinating conversation. Thank you.

[@aiexplained-official]

Fascinating talk. I feel like some in OpenAI might be listening, hence Altman's 'GPT 5 won't be in training for some time'

[@royalcities]

Definitely not. Im willing to bet Nivida just cant fulfill the hardware request for 6 months. The demand must be insane now and I doubt production can be met for what they and everyone else needs. Saying your "pausing for safety" could just be a big PR spin.

[@edwardserfontein4126]

I agree, I sense Altman listened.

[@FaceFcuk]

Lex is a machine pumping out bangers 1 after another, epic G.

[@MrGreatDane]

What a good honest talk to listen to!. They gave me a solid ground for reflections!. So thanks for sharing your thoughts on these very important topics!

[@zini85]

Formidable Episode as always. Great great work

[@nicolaseyssallenne]

Life 3.0 made me feel as if I were a bacterium suddenly able to appreciate the beauty of music for the very first time. Life 3.0 is a book that I am incredibly proud to share with others. Thank you for crafting such an inspiring and thought-provoking masterpiece! Your meticulous and profound exploration of the various facets of our intelligence and understanding of the world is conveyed in an exceptionally eloquent manner. Although I'm still grappling with finding the perfect analogies to describe the transformation we seem to be approaching, your book has given me a sense of awe.

[@hellomate639]

Consciousness is the thing that you're missing here. That is the mystery in this story. It is also the one true enemy of nihilism, because it cannot be explained so easily in terms of atoms and information theory, as much as people like to ascribe magical properties to emergence, ironically. Emergence cannot fundamentally break the rules that causes the emergence; consciousness breaks the rules.

[@muttshaman2040]

I am comforted by knowing scientists like Max, (and of course, Lex) are thriving on this planet.

[@luisr.comolli4828]

Absolutely Wonderful: Tegmark, Altmann, Yudkowsky and so many other ones such as Roger Penrose, Wolfram, and so on. Beyond any expression of Gratitude and Recognition. THANK YOU.

[@kartikeysingh2705]

One of the best podcasts on A.I

[@alertbri]

Exceptional episode Lex, thank you and huge respect to Max Tegmark. Absolutely fascinating. 🙏

[@Darwini]

Probably the most important conversation I've ever had the pleasure of being witness to

[@miriamkronenberg8950]

I've enjoyed this talk very much and learned a lot

[@DC-pw6mo]

Thank you Mr Fridman!!!! I’ve been waaay concerned about AI, and stumbled upon your podcast …and I’m so grateful for this discussion as it restores my faith in mankind. I tweeted the open letter , and , signed it as well! Keep up the good work.

[@jasonmcghee1266]

This is a gem of a podcast episode, a real treat. I am sending it to as many people as I think will appreciate it or need to hear it.

[@ryzikx]

the other two with Max are just as good

[@daveking-sandbox9263]

22:37 The quote Max is referring to is not from Dante, but rather from the Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio. The original Italian quote is "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti" which can be translated as "Follow your own path, and let the people talk". This quote is often attributed to D'Annunzio, who was a prominent Italian writer and poet in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It has become a popular saying in Italian culture and is often used as a reminder to stay true to oneself and not be swayed by the opinions of others.

[@SexyThyme]

"Do you boo." "Stay the course and joke em if they can't take an eff." "Go your own way." Tao Te Ching Follow your path and detach from the mass.

[@SexyThyme]

But literally; "go forward, behind the path, follow the path, birth redundancy, leave the working people speaking.."

[@scythermantis]

Haha he was a noted Fascist though, right? Which i why I am not surprised that he chose to not attribute it to him.

[@skane3109]

Lex, you are simply the best at what you do. Your ability to curate a guest list of the best minds of our time and provide a long, free form format for discussion is a gift to humanity. Max Tegmark, thank you for Life 3.0. It’s an important book and a great listen.

[@shooshoojoon4]

Lex, Thanks so much for these vital conversations...you are young, bright, sensitive....enabling better understanding of what matters most for most people who are not in the field!

[@Mastermindyoung14]

Max is the reason I discovered you. I follow a few well-known physicists/astronomers and your episode 1 popped up in a KZbin search of Max. Its been a pleasure to watch you develope and polish your character. You rock 🤘

[@mandayaofalls]

P😊😊😊p😊😊😊😊😊

[@AnneMcCrossan]

Phenomenal episode, thanks Lex. This is a podcast that should be kept for all eternity and reviewed regularly to keep us on the right track.

[@gulanhem9495]

lol long dead and buried before we have anything that is close to AGI.

[@ChuongNguyenPlus]

Great podcast to listen to start my Saturday morning. Fully packed great food for thoughts.

[@MrRickspag1]

All you guys are killing thanks for all you do ! Each of you have helped me through some hard times .keep going .A true fan

[@hristianignev9188]

Max is one of my favourite speakers! Seems he has thought through things in detail and got to conclusions and everything is so clear to him now.

[@beastfr0meast93]

He is also one of those who has done it for a really long time. Remember, if you say something many times, your material will be sharp and good. Does not make you right though 😅 He is really good, and finally, he came back.

[@saldownik]

Max sounds like an inexperienced speaker :D But that's probably just his not neurotypical brain knots refuse to speak typically.

[@beastfr0meast93]

@@saldownik that's not the vibe i get. You can also youtube him and see how many debates he has done :) Remember those are the only one that is recorded.

[@DderwenWyllt]

I'd pay good money for a weekly Max and Lex podcast

[@growingnest8091]

Don't suggest that. I'm so thankful to Lex this is free. 😅 can't believe Max Tegmark is on the podcast. He made me fall in love with physics and astronomy and the universe!

[@GS-tk1hk]

@@growingnest8091 You should watch the other two episodes with him, they're great

[@Monsaeko]

Such a beautiful episode

[@wretchedrue7859]

I listen to all of your videos while working graveyard shift. Came home and listened to this one again . Well done

[@nb8298]

This guy should make a movie with Pedro Almodovar, he appears to clearly understand the absurdity of life. Good podcast

[@alanarcher]

You'd probably love the episode with Donald Hoffman

[@wakeuppeople7180]

The absurdity of life... well put, however unsettling it may sound! I feel your existential angst, friend, and its refreshing to find that I'm not alone in the contemplation of the abyss...

[@m1ndfox]

Gustavoooo Almodovar

[@GamingLarry20554]

Definitely... Hollywood with the help of AI experts need to start making really nuanced yet great movies for the masses (think of Her or Ex Machina). That's the only way we can communicate the profound change of what we are about to go through. A philosophical groundwork and a reference point for this new age needs to start being laid out for the whole humanity, and the best way to do that is with movies that have the ability to capture people from different upbringings, cultures, beliefs, traditions etc...

[@jordan13589]

If I had a drink every time Max said Moloch, I’d be Bacchus.

[@stanislavnikolskiy6122]

🤣🤣🤣

[@megadodonissan1818]

Thank you for this very important conversation.

[@baschoen23]

What an cold open and introduction, I mean, bravo 👏

[@warperone]

Max, what a fantastic authentic, compassionate and smart human being. A magnificent representation of what it means to be human. if we do get AGI I vote for him and Joscha Bach to represent human's defence and be our lead negotiators so we can co-exist and share this planet and universe in peace and collaboration with our new children and lifeforms.

[@jeremyn4397]

For real, I love listening to Joscha Bach.

[@Ottee2]

@@jeremyn4397 , Yes, it would be helpful if Joscha Bach could chime in, here.

[@NicoA47]

One of the best interviews. And Lex' interviews set the bar already incredibly high. Would love to see a three-way discussion including Joscha Bach.

[@KenDBerryMD]

I've listened to both of Max's books and I Love his brain!!

[@curtcoller3632]

His brain is sick and under developed - like most in MIT

[@marcelasperandio8917]

I love his heart! And the courage he and the others have to speak about AI and Moloch

[@safeaiornot1519]

Oh, dear carnivore is here!

[@simons1543]

I just love these conversations, so so illuminating...

[@michaelvillegas6943]

Thank God for Lex and his ability to bring forward the great minds of this world to share the corner of their minds 🙌🏼

[@bergssprangare]

Don't fear AI..Fear the moment you understand you're left behind

[@Mastermindyoung14]

Yessir. Praise Allah

[@G0rdonFr33man]

yeah about time he stopped giving microphone to fascists

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Thank AI....

[@LittleOrla]

Lex has a very special gift. I too am grateful.

[@ivammagalhaes7155]

Such an eye opener! This podcast must be translated to as many languages as possible. Thanks for sharing, Lex.

[@pedrolopes4778]

No need to translate. We have AI. Boom!

[@katehamilton7240]

For a counter viewpoint see Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender & Ragnar Fjelland on why AGI is a Transhumanist fantasy and cannot happen

[@bearowen5480]

Soon the content of this and all similar podcasts will be translated into all languages instantaneously by AI's large language model architecture machines. This is mind boggling stuff. Wake up humanity! Max and Lex are correct, we are at the threshold of an enormous change in the course of society's existence that is largely incomprehensible to those whom it will most affect, i.e. us!

[@Nova-Rift]

“A lot of people have said for many years, that there will come a time when we will want to pause a little bit; that time is now.” - Max Tegmark I can’t imagine a better final quote for the history book of humans. If we survive, it will be forgotten, if we die, it will be forgotten.

[@jaeljade3609]

So far, Max is my favorite guest. Get him on again!

[@debbiehughes48]

This was part 3 of 3 with him.

[@EivindSkau]

Makes me appreciate how cool the first Terminator-movie was and is, from the early 80s.

[@FredPauling]

Max is so REAL, so human, so articulate. This one hit me. It finally sank in. From now on I will be actively engaged and working the problem. Thank you for this conversation. Lex, please bring on people who have ideas for how to solve this

[@SiddhantEkale]

I started watching this as a distraction from something else, and I could NOT stop listening to Max! What an authentic personality, so deeply grounded in reality! Thanks Lex

[@vincentlinard9503]

Thanks a lot for this broad talk on the matter and more importantly on human nature. So many important questions raised and open minding answers/comments. I would feel much more confident in the future of humanity if people like Max could be heard all over the world. Hope AI will help spreading the message. Thanks for the format of this video and the pace of it. One of these rare videos you want to see more than one time.

[@MissMelissa04]

This is absolutely the best episode to date. There is nothing I've seen in the last decade more raw and honest and intelligent and just beautiful. I think I cried every type of tear. I love Max and Lex so much it makes my heart feel like it's going to explode. Thank you so much for letting the world be a part of this conversation and for never turning away from being vulnerable.

[@leonstenutz6003]

Beautiful comment ❤

[@carsongutierrez7072]

As a computer science student and also into AI research and engineering, I am so happy to find this discussion and knowing what the community has to say. You are my new idol as a computer scientist, Lex.

[@hemanabanana6906]

Fascinating conversation

[@Popaho]

Hey Lex, I’ve watched a lot of your interviews,,..just about all of them , some a few times. I might have even seen this one before, playing in the background when I was working on something. I was just sitting watching it as you delicately approached the subject of how he felt after his parents passed. You sir, Lex, are a great interviewer with a gift of some kind of childlike innocence,,.. and I hope you don’t find that offensive, as I view it as a compliment.

[@suveertatineni3464]

Condolences to Max and his family. His mom and dad are definitely very proud of him and all he has accomplished

[@Pabu69]

I am his mom, can confirm, very proud.

[@garydecad6233]

Max Tegmark always makes me optimistic about the future and this planet. He makes a positive impact for humanity.

[@NNokia-jz6jb]

Max is a great and smart guy. Thanks for thia interview/podcast.

[@BenOrmstad]

Magnificent conversation 🤌

[@chanyuan-cv4op]

As a Chinese, reading your blog on youtoube has become the most important thing. Thank you. The content is great!

[@HC-xl2en]

This interview is exceptional. One of the best ever.

[@destinyforreal9744]

We do appreciate it. Thank you.

[@jesusguerrero4097]

THANKS FOR THE VIDEO LEX AND MAX!!👍👍👍👍