MAX THEORY: FFVIIR Intergrade Ending & VIIR2 - Reaction & Predictions

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[@LtCdrXander]

They're gonna have Cloud and Zack meet in a timeline convergence for the sole purpose of reenacting the "Me? Gongaga" line

[@awesauce1]

What happens in the cloud timeline?

[@LtCdrXander]

@@awesauce1 I have no idea

[@bucciallatisscarabhairclip7039]

@@awesauce1 'Me? Nibelheim.' That's what happens

[@oscarrosado6440]

Maybe they also meet Sora and Mickey, who knows.

[@anewchallenger2825]

Sora: me? Destiny Islands

[@Smashogun]

Aerith: "My stomach's in knots" Did she feel herself get impaled in the OG timeline?

[@joeyriddle428]

Yo......

[@malinenh01]

This guy gets it...

[@nadstengco2591]

and, it also started to rain.. everyone needs to remember that FF7R is resembling the rain for Zack.. it was raining when he died, it was raining when he survived and it also started to rain when Aerith felt something different.. then we immediately go to Zack.. so yeah, it's because of Zack in my opinion..

[@rovin9547]

bruh...

[@squallleonhart9387]

Stop that! It’s way too soon!😭

[@lynxofhyrule]

I'm trying to figure out where Zack dumped the comatose Cloud before going to the church.

[@ObsidianShinobi801]

Ikr!!!!

[@gman2570]

@@ObsidianShinobi801 probably with kunsel

[@Sylveonismyicon]

Probably bumped into Tifa coming down to the slums like Cloud did in the OG timeline and handed him off to her?

[@gman2570]

@@Sylveonismyicon did kunsel ever have a plan in crisis core for where zack could hide in midgar. There had to be a good reason for zack to go to midgar originally since it was shinra hq

[@Sylveonismyicon]

@@gman2570 I believe Zack going back to Midgar was solely because of Aerith if I remember the ending of Crisis Core right. Because the slot machine mechanic got stuck on her in his last battle.

[@whyjordie]

Cloud and Zack fighting Sephiroth… just the thought gives me chills

[@skythegamedev3751]

Ok, complete crazy talk on my part, but imagine... Cloud, Zack, and Sephiroth beating up Sephiroth Hear me out lmao. What if the big evil penultimate Planet Sephiroth that Max proposes here isn't actually going to preserve the planet but actually suck it dry until it's a husk? This Sephiroth may be so far gone, delusional, and think that he's "preserving the planet" when in reality, he's just destroying it. Perhaps he'd be challenged by another Sephiroth who can see what his doppelganger cannot. This would force him to team up with Cloud and Zack. Ultimately, if there is a way to preserve Sephiroth's evil jackassery while allowing him to feasibly team up with Cloud and Zack, I'm pretty sure the internet would explode. At least, Max would lmao

[@MariusBoss11458]

"Need a hand with 'im?" *Shakes head* "Let's go bro!"

[@mellemadswoestenburg1296]

@@MariusBoss11458 And that's when Cloud won't complain about being called "bro" for the first time.

[@rodrigomoreira2629]

@@skythegamedev3751 bro... don't give me hope dude LMFAO

[@NerdGeekTalk]

No one wants that

[@menhirmike]

FF7 Remake: Schrödinger's Aerith.

[@e1v1a19]

FF7: Back Into the Endgame-verse

[@SlamBolts]

She's dead and alive at the same time, at all times!

[@nicodalusong149]

@@SlamBolts Simply observe and then close the doors and open them again for another result (which may still be the same result).

[@ValAllenSamonte]

Schrödinger's Zack as well lol

[@bman3977]

If we don't open the video game case to Final Fantasy VII Remake... then Aerith is alive and dead AT THE SAME TIME!

[@justingabriel1765]

Chat “the flowers have wilted” Max “bullshit… OOOOOH!!!”

[@genos684]

16:12 Me: OHHHHHHHHHHH MAHDAFAHKA! OHHHH!!

[@zarckresnik535]

Now the question is how (Clouds) Aerith reacts to Zack? Elmyra mentioned she hates the mako eyes which implies she met a soldier but the question who if not Cloud?

[@Madman6884]

Fuck are they even talking about, no they're not? They're no more drooped than they were in any other scene. If anything you could say its that there's a crushed spot in the middle of them, implying Cloud fell on them, ergo not a separate timeline, but its not really a precise enough a detail to make that claim one way or the other.

[@jessaramos2992]

@@Madman6884 Totally agree. I have seen the scene so many times and they just look crushed not wilted? I mean I guess you can still take that as symbolism but damn some of these theories are GOING OFF lol

[@aaronhathorn3451]

@@jessaramos2992 just ask yourself why would they show the flowers being crushed instead of wilted? It adds no significance to the scene by being crushed. They show the flowers for a reason. Just like the surprised expression on Zack's face when he walks in the church. They would not show Zack with that look unless it has something to do with Aerith. Hence her being dead in his timeline. Just think, why would they show Zack looking surprised because people in the church are mourning the Sector 7 plate falling? His story has nothing to do with that...

[@ggg21201]

Max: "There's only one other character in FF7 that is truly connected to the planet and has a deeper understanding of the planet like on a spiritual level like no other character in other characters in any of these games do...and its..." Me: "Aeri--" Max: "Bugenahagen" Me: ...🥺

[@EsquilaxM]

He meant apart from Aerith and Sephiroth

[@xxreyoxx]

Its ok, i thought he was gonna say Vincent. But Bugenhagen makes more sense.

[@C_XIII]

@@xxreyoxx Vincent has more information on the conception/creation of Sephiroth than the workings of the Lifestream tbh

[@MariusBoss11458]

When I watched the vid I didn't understand who he was talking about. Now that I can see it in Text just like the OG game I know who he's talking about. Grandpa. Like c'mon. His name is awful and I can't remember it. Grandpa is a better name.

[@juubi249]

My question is, what will happen to the Cloud that Zack literally carried back to Midgar

[@mori_san8206]

I was thinking about this, because okay timeline convergence but the Cloud from "Zack's timeline" is alive and we don't know what two Clouds will do to the timeline ?????...

[@TacoLex]

Or… send cloud’s ass back home 😂

[@tumei1851]

I've been thinking about the same thing for a while. I don't have any good theories since the new plot can go in so many different directions, but I think it's pretty safe to say that we won't have two clouds interacting with each other in part 2 or 3, despite zack carrying him back to midgar. Don't know how they'll explain it, but the concept of two clouds interacting with each other is so insane that surely there's no way it's going to happen, which eases my worrying mind.

[@shahnawazadam7230]

@@tumei1851 Could also be that Cloud in Zaks timeline dies from the Mako poisoning so both Aerith and Cloud could be gone and this sets up Biggs and Jessie being his companions

[@tomatoesofdoom]

@@tumei1851 in my opinion, a super powered Cloud that has no "Zacks Death" in his mind is a character ripe for exploration. Just off the top of my head I can imagine that character siding with Sephiroth

[@wtfbluestrife]

"Barret stop being so beautiful." Wait till he gets his sailor uniform. Kind of miss mine.

[@ScrewFearMe]

I wanna see Red XIII in the sailor uniform 🤣🤣🤣

[@brianc3063]

@@ScrewFearMe and then I want to see the normal crew on the boat just look at him and be like "yeah nothing suspicious about that... move along"

[@ScrewFearMe]

@@brianc3063 Yeah

[@zovinchen3281]

Ah yes, the one when he looks like a bear wearing a marshmallow

[@Silent_Fool]

@@zovinchen3281 Barret: “I AM VERY MUCH AWARE OF HOW I LOOK ADORABLE! OK!”

[@P3wP3wPanda]

When Max was talking about the timeline diagram, all I could think about was: "Zack to the Future"

[@Malficious]

I thought of the Charlie Conspiracy meme from it's always sunny in Philadelphia personally.

[@nikkilengyel]

"Zack to the future" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 well played, sir!

[@DestinovaDrakar]

Your not off. I think what we see in INTERmission is Zack in the future ^_-.

[@iamjoehill]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sincomas]

Dude... I know this is a joke, but think this... Zack is in the future, AFTER aerith death, this is the memorial...

[@Amocoru]

I could actually watch you gush about this game for twenty straight hours and still be on the edge of my seat. Your excitement is so contagious and you helped me enjoy the remake even more than I would have on my own.

[@randomizednerd]

Same in a way - played the game and liked it, but was VERY happy to watch all Max's playthroughs and of course all the theory stuff and conversations. I am consumed. And happy about it :D

[@CJTranceAddiction]

Mo offence but this is a very sad kind of thing to say. You cannot enjoy things on your own? You need someone else to show you how to enjoy stuff? Honestly? Watching other people play and talk about it makes me enjoy less. I’m at my best enjoyment when I’m locked alone with a game and story to take it all in only I know how.

[@PratikParija]

The Zack cutscene cleared my doubts about the voice actor. All the voice actors are soooo goooddd!!

[@ElPsyKongroo]

Howabout after crisis core reunion?

[@jackcampbell7898]

@@ElPsyKongroo he was still good in reunion, the voice direction in that game was just shit…like in the original crisis core

[@DemonLordSparda]

@@ElPsyKongroo His voice and delivery from Junon onwards is very good. He sounded goofy on purpose as a wide eyed puppy.

[@eclipsicalbluestocking1182]

@@ElPsyKongroo He just needed some better voice direction and a script that wasn't written fifteen years ago

[@Puzzles-Pins]

Yeah there are a lot of good actors that put on a bad performance because there isn't much they can do to salvage it with the script and direction they are working with. The greatest ones can sometimes make it almost work, but best case they're carrying what is otherwise a crap production.

[@rosenrot234]

I just love that Zack is still a big goober in his cutscene.

[@i.theworstguys298]

hyping himself up to make sure he doesn’t fumble his re-introduction to aerith is so on brand and so sweet of him!

[@squallleonhart9387]

**”ACTIVATING COMBAT MODE”**

[@MacenW]

I'm back :D

[@alen1181]

I feel the version of the CC in him im so happy

[@DefMM123]

For real the voice actor did a much better job here!

[@OtakuD50]

Consider this possibility: The convergence point is the Bizarro Sephiroth battle. Instead of switching between party members, you switch between timeline parties.

[@ashen7843]

Now that would be epic!

[@a17zazueta21]

I like this

[@fruitsalad2458]

Square: "WRITE THAT DOWN"

[@sneslive1556]

Awww that sounds so cool.

[@AliJayShannon]

Exactly my thought too. I cant see it being any other way tbh.

[@KalaamNozalys]

I love how in french Barret doesn't go "what's up with the damn birds?" but just cracks a loud, angry, exhausted "KWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH!"

[@xxreyoxx]

Lmao i have to search that up now!

[@luke_d2215]

Same thing in the German version

[@gabriellebrown5296]

Same in Japanese XD. He also doesn't yell stop!! He just screams when he steps in front of the car too I love Barrett lol😂

[@strelitziamystery21]

The last scene gave me faith in Zack's new voice actor

[@asimb0mb]

Sounded like a whole different voice actor, huge difference (for the better)

[@strelitziamystery21]

@@asimb0mb its the same VA that voiced Zack in FF7R Part 1

[@asimb0mb]

@@strelitziamystery21 I know, I'm just saying he completely changed his tone.

[@strelitziamystery21]

@@asimb0mb thats true, it is way better than how he voiced Zack previously!

[@bionic1matt]

@@asimb0mb I feel like he just needed time to get into the character. From what we've heard so far, it seems like he's giving it his all, and that's all we can ask for, i think he's amazing

[@Tobius211x]

I think its great how the feelings we have towards Zack are identical to how they were when we first played FF7 Original, just pure confusion about why this guy keeps showing up and what purpose it serves

[@abookamongsthemanypj7140]

I had the same thought.

[@Lakross101]

People giving the writers shit cuz obviously there's fear in new narrative. But everytime I go through it all I just feel the tidal wave of respect and love that Remake's writing has to the og material. The music, too.

[@Jm649]

@@Lakross101 agreed it's honestly a masterpiece

[@EvilPumpkin]

@@Lakross101 Every time that Nojima and Nomura tried to mess with time-travel bs and alternative dimensions. It went horribly bad. So people have reasons to be scared.

[@Lakross101]

@@EvilPumpkin that's what I said. Fear in new narrative.

[@goldlight1322]

Listen, all I want from this is Zack and Cloud doing Dual Omnislash.

[@takeruneverborn4740]

Zack does OmniSlash with Ultima Weapon while Cloud Does Version 7 with Fusion Blade awhile with My theory Sephiroth(Hero) does his own Octaslash,my theory is that Jehovah has been actually in control of Sephiroth this entire conflict and that by battling both Cloud and Zack in the final encounter the True Sephiroth that was broken by the truth of his existence with awaken possibly by the spirits of his comrades and mother Lucrecia with the aid of Vincent & Aeirth(If she Surivives) and comes to aid cloud and possibly servers Cloud Connection to him and jehovah so Cloud can live without sacrifice and Sephiroth will die as a hero ending his accursed nightmare

[@kiwi_jong]

Listen, all I want from this is Zack and Aerith meeting again and happy.

[@heavyc4450]

Pretty sure Zack uses OctoSlash.

[@ryanrusty6610]

all i want is Zack to remain dead

[@marksullivan00]

Listen here, all I want is some bromance between Cloud and Zack in the next games lol.

[@Wiltgenator18]

Here's something I remembered when I was about this to someone else online, and it's a bit of spoilers for Advent Children: Remember when Aerith mention that the church had a special "power" to Cloud explaining why the flowers were so resilient after he fell? Turns out that the church and the flowers are right above a flow of Lifestream, which is why they're still healthy even after Aerith is gone in Advent Children. Now with that in mind, think back to the ending of Intermission. Those flowers are in a worse shape than they ever are in the entire series before this. If that's the case,not only should we wonder about Aerith...but what's also going on with the Lifestream? With that all said now, I think I'm ready to see if any of this holds up once Part 2 arrives.

[@strelitziamystery21]

Omg, you're right!

[@D_Galagaran]

Damn this is what you expect from a BlazBlue fan, knows about Different world/Timeline shit. I myself would never caught the details about the Flowers if it werent for your comment.

[@TheKnizzine]

Time Devouerer Jenova

[@rleeton1]

Oh damn, this guy just achieved Level 5 😮

[@TwoDimensional]

All those people in the church made me think advent children when everyone was sick

[@MarxasThomas]

Geostigma.......think i spelled it right!

[@terrabranford9253]

The Red herring is definitely the church ending in Intergrade. Zack is alive in a complete separate timeline but somehow both timelines will merge because of Sephiroth. The main enemy in all timelines is Sephiroth and somehow they all need to come together to fight him.

[@blakep267]

Yeah. I mean I think it’s a given that there will be a zack cloud team up against sephirpth in the finale

[@jedispartancoolman]

This game is a sequel to the orginal series. Read the extended lore books and watch advent children and it pretty much confirms it

[@NeroSparda99]

@@WhiteHawk77 I mean the immediate reaction is these people are in the church are there because of sector 7, it's not really that difficult to jump to that conclusion. They're definitely leaving bread crumbs either way

[@kameronmiller2226]

Thanos

[@ra0028534]

There's only one timeline, the Zack parts are just the past.

[@berk6413]

These are always my fav part of his playthroughs. So fun to see him theorize and speculate

[@jedispartancoolman]

This game is a sequel to advent children change my mind

[@solomon9655]

@@jedispartancoolman in the sense that Sephiroth has memories from the future and is acting accordingly, yeah. It’s hardly a theory at this point.

[@xRagingxDemonx]

Same.

[@jedispartancoolman]

@@solomon9655 you would be surprised how many people think otherwise

[@RobRJW]

and you know someone at Square Enix is watching these videos and just eating this shit up.

[@Pysnpai]

“His Laguna mission” Bro, you’re a genius. That FFVIII Laguna and Squall gameplay comparison was FUCKING….GENIUS!

[@MartinMc90]

Can we talk about Hojo? Original FF kept calling Cloud a failure but in the remake is super excited about his hypothesis. He has big IQ plays for the finally of all this

[@ThoraxetheImpaile100]

Don't forget that OG Hojo forgot that Cloud was a failed experiment until he told him. Hojo may remember Cloud but not that he wrote him off as a failure.

[@randomizednerd]

Yes thank you! I'm really curious about what that bastard is doing since he's so interested in Cloud now. And why IS that? Hm, he did get reminded of Cloud earlier on than in the OG, so maybe he just got some ideas from that. But what...

[@alchalant4663]

I think 6 or 7 years for the end is pretty conservative. I just hope I live long enough to see the end and I’m 35.

[@norekification]

yeah this shit is gonna take waay more

[@luansomething380]

Yeah, i think if the get each part 3 to 4 years a part from each other, maybe by 2036 we'll be done with this story.

[@michafraczek1498]

FF7R will have at least 4 parts. Bruh

[@lemao2222]

You worried about age? I'm worried about the future in general. Let's hope we don't see another world spanning BS getting in the way of development.

[@forkymental5154]

Our planet's probably going to be destroyed before they finish this remake.

[@ManuKazu11]

Sephiroth: The old man said that if a kid with a sword or a man with a gun-arm asked for the almanac... -shows gun

[@ryanrick6443]

Just never thought it’d be you..

[@PilgrimMinistry]

Sephiroth married the love of his life, Claudia Strife Cloud: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOO” *whacked*

[@ryanrick6443]

@@PilgrimMinistry The easy way

[@ryanrick6443]

Hey Sephiroth you’re forgetting one thing…. WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?!

[@nikkilengyel]

@@PilgrimMinistry your comment has me in stitches 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aschen]

Well you nailed what the opening of rebirth basically is lol

[@yujin-1907]

And yea it was amazing lol

[@iceman10129]

Can't wait for a cut scene next game of Zack watching Cloud die in his arms in the rain on that cliffside.

[@C_Squared2013]

I don't think either scene is a red herring. The ending of the main game has the bag, and the ending of INTERmission has a church that is visually in a much better condition than the one we saw when we played through Sector 5. The church in the Zack cutscene, especially the outside, looked pristine instead of run down. The floor was in better shape in the Zack cutscene. Zack is for sure in a different timeline than the one we spent the main game in and the church helps support the bag. The question I keep coming back to is whether or not our crew returned to their timeline after the Singularity, or did they enter Zack's? Why would the planet give Aerith knowledge that Zack was alive at the end of the main game? HOW could the planet give her knowledge that Zack was alive, unless she was in that timeline? Unless the knowledge of the planet transcends and passes through timelines. Also, notice that at the end of the main game, it started raining when Aerith sensed Zack had passed by. And it started raining when the gang arrived at Kalm, with Aerith saying her stomach was in knots. The Zack cutscene followed. I dunno.

[@eddy5097]

I think the rain at Kalm is supposed to be a buildup to cloud telling his story with Sephiroth at the inn

[@Quetzalma]

the singularity happened before they left the city, when they leave and they cross each other, they clearly aren't in the same "dimension/timeline/universe" or they'd react to each other, Aerith does seem to react to it, but that could just be her thing and the planet knowledge could itself be a singularity, so it'd be shared among all timelines, giving her that knowledge. I'm way more interested in knowing what happened with Aerith in Zack's timeline, I'm guessing that because the ghosts no longer exist, they no longer protect Aerith from the Turks to force the "right timeline" to happen, and at some point between Zack's Last Stand and the time he goes to the church(we don't really have a timeline for this, could be a day, could be a week, could be more...), they managed to capture her, or maybe even kill her by accident. Or maybe she just shows up from behind and pokes him in the shoulder and the people are crying for some other reason.

[@TruckDrivinGamer]

I respect what you're saying, but the one big element that you have to factor in to your thinking: Zack has a buster sword, and Cloud has a buster sword. The only way that's possible is in divergent realities / timelines.

[@C_Squared2013]

@@Quetzalma My thing is that because Zack beating the Shinra soldiers would've happened a week or so prior to our crew getting through Shinra HQ and taking on Sephiroth, I've always perceived Aerith walking by Zack and Cloud as her learning that Zack is alive and passed through that same place at some point. So what I have to wonder is if knowledge like that can pass through the timelines and be learned regardless of where it occurred, or is our crew in the same timeline? I think that the people are in the church are refugees from sector 7.

[@C_Squared2013]

@@TruckDrivinGamer Well that's why I wonder what timeline our crew entered after the Singularity. If they entered Zack's, then Cloud brought the Buster Sword from his timeline along with him.

[@osoon-dosoon]

I hope there's a scene where Zack goes to Turtle's Paradise and eats a bag of terrier Stamp chips.

[@itsdantaylor]

or the gang walks by a stamp poster in kalm and it's a terrier (implying that basically stamp was changed when the arbiter was defeated, signaling the changes to the present) and are like "......was this dog always like this?"

[@marksullivan00]

In the next games there will probably a Zack DLC, or a Zack storyline where you have to play as him in his alternate timeline.

[@PilgrimMinistry]

Why can I see Zack doing this?

[@sbfh014]

Zack eating chips as Aerith's theme plays and starts crying, like that Keanu meme. "I'm sorry!"

[@eyedominate1257]

Imagine when time does finally converge and they hype everything up to hit you with Zack and Aerith dyeing. 😭

[@jenniferchough]

Well, the devs did say that FFVIIR will keep the same major story points as the OG. The situation might be different or how it happens may be different but they said the big stuff that makes FFVII the game that it is will remain the same. So that means Aerith and Zack still gotta meet each other in the Lifestream eventually. :-(

[@theemms5288]

My gut feeling tells me that Cloud will be the one to kill Aerith, Zack will witness it and battle the party, gets defeated and morphs to Jenova-LIFE. To twist the knife further, there will be a Jenova battle down further that will feature an assimilated "dead" Aerith.

[@rodrigomoreira2629]

Okay, rewatching this video 1 week before Rebirth comes out and Max saying "Have the next game opening scene be Cloud and Sephiroth being bros together in the back of a truck in a rainy night" B R O... this shit is wild to me LOL

[@thatguycisco7321]

Zack's party is going to be Jessie, Biggs, wedge, and Roach

[@Trebolf]

Put Sonon in there too

[@QiscCastle]

I think Jessie and Leslie are good bets considering their prominence in the last game. As well as the spotlight on their motivations.

[@reddragoner1932]

so Zack, Avalanche, Jessie, Roach, and Sonon... great now I'm waiting for two games

[@qyaruddick]

Cissnei would be there too 😎

[@e1v1a19]

Needs Nayo too. She’s the Tifa of the group. The big booba factor.

[@ARMRStudios]

If it's indeed a different timeline, I imagien Sonon is alive in Zack's timeline and he'd probably be part of Zack's party.

[@Brawl847]

Yeah, maybe Nero killed Yuffie in Zack's timeline while Sonon got away, then if there's a timeline-convergence, Survivor-Yuffie and Survivor-Sonon get to meet and kill Nero together. Kind of an interesting 'Have your cake and eat it too' revenge-scenario where they'd get to fight Nero alongside the person they lost to Nero and want revenge on him for in the first place.

[@Fleetw00d]

The FF7 alt main party - Zack, Zangan, Dyne, Gotoh, Sonon, Seto, Nero, Chadley. Nahhhhhh lol no way that happens

[@xMarrilliamsx]

@@Brawl847 That gave me goosebumps. That would be so sick!

[@xMarrilliamsx]

That would be so sweet. Hopefully we can get that :)

[@AnubisDark]

That would be amazing, hopefully he will also have Jessie, Biggs and Wedge in his party

[@knighthabuga7429]

13:56 "This is nice" while Tifa in the screen Me: I could not have agreed more

[@dranillaasrapti9333]

So Max predicted the demo, cool

[@corvus3493]

When zack's practicing his greetings it's like he's talking to the player "long time no see" "how you been?" I'm just happy he's back...

[@Malacite]

Me too man. He's my favorite character in all of FF. Crisis Core itself was just an OK game with frankly awful writing, but I just adore Zack and want to see him reunite with his Waifu.

[@dennishasan8061]

Yeah i hope we follow Aeriths and Zack married life for about 100h. Cause catering to fan theories and shipping always made a good story.

[@AkumaZabuza]

Everything is a cluster fuck lol. Why there are 2 buster swords now!?

[@shadowt0nberry263]

Two timelines, two Buster Swords.

[@gmaster2647]

It's very possible Zack being alive is a different, parallel timeline.

[@DroWarriorOfLight]

Besides agreeing to Max almost every single time during this stream, I remember that all this talk filled me with happiness as cheesy as it sounds. Talking about the game I love the most (or the remake) with the same passion as me while interacting with everyon just made me have that moment of "FUCK, I LOVE THIS GAME". Sharing what you love with people as passionate is contagious, man, and it feels great.

[@Adrian-zs3ol]

I feel the same way, dude. Even if I was never really a big fan of the FF7 compilation, FF7R has definitely brought it to my attention, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what future parts have to offer.

[@saigonotapioka6813]

that's also why I love youtube or twitch when someone plays a game that they like, the thing isn't what you talk or who talks, but how you do, when you share with other people something that you love, is kinda of contagious.

[@noobsaibot4466]

13:30 bruh, this is exactly what is shown in thr new trailer, oh my god, max is nostradamus

[@randomphil8666]

“Half a decade in the future”. - Somebody’s a bit too optimistic. lol

[@mas8705]

Matpat: Time to write a new episode of game theor- Max: GET THE HELL OUT! I’m the only qualified person to theorize over Final Fantasy 7!

[@free2928]

If Cloud meets alternate timeline Zack, that would be very interesting... so much potential in the remake for great things to happen, and I am sure the Square won't disappoint.

[@jenniferchough]

There is already a Cloud in Zack's timeline though so either Zack has to be pulled into Remake Cloud's somehow. Otherwise, you would have two Clouds floating around. >.>

[@jaxxmarcano5530]

I'm worried they will disappoint

[@enriquepowers]

@@jaxxmarcano5530 Nomura’s stories typically don’t disappoint since it’s hard to understand

[@jaxxmarcano5530]

@@enriquepowers how do hose two things correlate? Convolutions of stories don't make them good. I.e. kingdom hearts ff15 I can go on.

[@jimmike8029]

15:31 I genuinely got chills and started tearing up. I never cry but this possible realization give me BIG chills

[@jimmike8029]

I was assuming it was because the plat fell but.......

[@BltzZ]

At this point squares just effing with us. AND I LOVE IT!

[@Alex_Lagogianis]

Speaking of things I love. I LOVE your channel! Keep up the amazing content, mate 🤙

[@marksullivan00]

Pretty much lol.

[@bungifish2227]

Did anyone else realise that whenever Zack is brought up/shown that the current cloud timeline it starts raining? And seems like aerith actually feels something bad when that happens like her saying her stomach in knots aswell as her reaction to the rain in the first ending of the remake. Also weird it feels like in this new ending the party, besides aerith, reaction to the rain seems like this is the first time it rained since leaving midgar. Because they had no reaction to the rain in the first ending of the remake except aerith? Also my bet is that they are setting up for a spinoff game with Zack timeline

[@savann.sun1980]

They react to the rain bkuz they dont have a shelters. I dont know where you live but imagine walking 5 hours in a desert no town or city around and suddenly it starts to rain. It feels good for some and scary for some.

[@bungifish2227]

@@savann.sun1980 I know but I'm saying that in the first ending of the remake it rains but the party has no reaction to it besides aerith. But this new dlc ending the party now has a reaction to the rain as if it's the first time raining

[@ProxyDoug]

Zack is in Death Stranding or something, this is all Kojima's fault

[@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648]

I want a Kunsel, Cissnei, Zangan, Jessie, Dyne, and (add someone) Team for Zack’s story. It could be interesting.

[@JamestheKilljoy]

As soon as I finished the DLC I came here for Max’s reaction and theories! What an ending and overall very fun DLC. Only complaint is I want more haha

[@burgerman9246]

I like how when Yuffie says "The Amazing Yuffie wants you!" she is pointing at a cloud.

[@sdbzfan1]

that ending either means two things 1. Zack went straight to the church after dropping off Cloud in midgar, meaning that scene takes place weeks before the first bombing run in his timeline 2. Zack got to Midgar but because of time issues he's somehow there in his own timeline after the plate fell as we saw at the end of the game he and an unconcious cloud passed the group leaving midgar in a white void showing they would never cross paths, the only reason I don't fully believe in the second idea is a the roof of the church is still intact and a plate falling would be something Zack couldn't not see and be wondering what the hell happened, people think because Zack doesn't see Aerith that she is missing when to me it makes more sense that Zack never went to her house first and just assumed she would be at the church and was surprised when he didn't see her Edit: So some people are wondering about 2 things, time and the church, as someone pointed out Zack and Cloud were experimented on for 4 years and spent a year on the road trying to get to Midgar hense Cloud saying in the main game it's been 5 years since he and Tifa meet again 2. Is it the same Church, short answer no, long answer, look at the lighting in the Church You can clearly see beams of light from the windows but no light coming from where Cloud would have fallen leaving a big fuck off hole in the roof, Zack seems to be there anywhere around Midday to early breakfast but that doesn't matter because under the Plate their light comes from the sunlamps to emulate day time and we know from CH6 of the main game the sun lamps do not move they are always overhead meaning if there was a hole in the roof it would be impossible not to notice

[@mysticmunguss]

i think 2. is true because the kid who is crying injured was seen at the start of ff7 riding a bicycle on the upper plate

[@ra0028534]

It's the first one, currently Zack is still in the past, before the bomb run.

[@kitsunisan]

If the roof is still intact it's because there was no Cloud to fall through it. Doesn't have any bearing to the timing of the plate falling imo.

[@luansomething380]

The kids crying in the church and the flowers for me means more than just "Aerith wasn't there". I think Zack is in a different timeline and in his timeline Aerith is dead.

[@un_known5895]

wait wait wait!!!! aerith is dead because Cloud wasn't there to help her when she was attacked by the plot ghosts!(or sephiroth himself?) because in the now Zack's alive timeline he's more than likely still a vegetable and zack's death was the moment to wake him up, thus him running into aerith after sector 1 bombing didn't become a thing. or maybe.... Barret and Tifa more than likely went on the run and got attacked by the guard scorpion and because Cloud wasn't there to give hints and tips on the damn thing, they died as a result!. so the midgar gang is in fact dead in zack's timeline! sector one didn't get blown up and Aerith got attacked by Sephiroth/plot ghosts

[@koyukiaihara7491]

I just want Zack to recruit Cissnei, the cooler Yuffie

[@GahloWake]

I have a feeling that is Zack does get Laguna scenarios that Cissnei will be the Yuffie stand in.

[@e1v1a19]

Besides Red13, the cast was in dire need of a hot redhead in the party.

[@sora_escandar222]

So Cissnei is also a Wutaian ? Shes a ninja ? She does have the huge shuriken like Yuffie.

[@sanskarmishra5309]

@@sora_escandar222 no she's cool. That's it

[@brookswilliams5239]

@@sanskarmishra5309 she does use a huge Shuriken tho

[@Sly_Dragneel]

I never realiced, but Cloud's eyes have a greener tint than the average Soldier and, even if it is subtle, I really love a touch like that, it tells a story without actually telling it you know?

[@BienvenidoEspinal]

Cloud wasn't mutated before getting the Jenova cells according to Crisis

[@Zeke1460]

I swear this is exactly what I was thinking when someone pointed out the differences in scenery from what we expected. Tho I would like it more if Cloud and Zack were to meet earlier in the story. So we could have them both in the party.

[@SetoShadowVT]

I love how Zack make's Max speechless a SECOND time lol

[@Nornlazy]

Imagine in the opening of part 2 where the flash back takes plays you can actually control Cloud and Sephiroth in that short dragon battle.

[@salverobosa7135]

I would much prefer if the opening of Part 2 will allow us to take control of Alt. Zack for a short period of time. Just to catch up with things he missed, while he was gone hehe

[@purpleheart9160]

I'm not sure if they can pull off the plot twist of the Nibelheim Incident, with Zack being alive and all that.

[@BBQ_Ch1cken]

It certainly seems that way now

[@lefthandrule638]

That id a good opportunity for a tutorial actually. Cloud is still weak and unskilled so it’s the perfect opportunity to teach new and returning players the basic mechanics.

[@JS04]

Agreed. There is definitely going to be a timeline convergence at some point. I figure Sephiroth is going to merge with multiple timeline versions of himself and that's who Zack and Cloud will have to fight; Perfect Sephiroth.

[@Babylauncher3000]

Zack and Cloud are both wielding the same Bustersword. It has to be two timelines.

[@MattProfitt]

This ending cutscene made me really love Cloud as a protagonist

[@Extradecentskeleton]

Cloud is great when he isn't pretending to be an edge Lord and is just a normal guy

[@thehungerjames7787]

@@Extradecentskeleton Yeah, Cloud should just leave the edge lord stuff to the edge lord kings - Weiss and Nero.

[@RyonMugen]

wait till we have to fight that GIANT SNAKE just after the chocobo farm!

[@himankdayal7013]

Fight?SPAMS THE RUN BUTTON(if we will have one)

[@JohnSmith-tt1nh]

"Guess what the very end of this story is going to lead to?" Dirge of Cerberus 2?

[@edalmirneto4246]

yes! Omega Genesis must come!

[@mutesafezone]

No plz no 😁

[@i.theworstguys298]

Dirge 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@edalmirneto4246]

@@i.theworstguys298 Dirge: 2 Genesis put Chaos power, protomateria, Zirconiade materia in Lucrecia's corpse... he thinks this is a good idea... but he create Neo Jenova with LASER!

[@marksullivan00]

Nomura will be the final boss in the story lol.

[@quack_a_doodle5922]

Great content as always! :) Man I really wish I could experience to see you talk about all of this with Sleepezi, Bltzz or Schrodingerbabyseal one day, they both have very similar ideas to you and they all love theorizing about FF7. Seeing both of you throwing ideas at one another would be a dream to watch and I know they have lots of respect for you I hope you have a nice day :)

[@thelrc8880]

Maybe Aeriths death is what will send Zack on his journey to the crater in his timeline

[@someoneelse9680]

Yeah I mean ultimately both Cloud and Zack got fucked over by Sephiroth so their motivations would be the same

[@marksullivan00]

Correct.

[@jacksonmaguire5030]

When I first saw the ending I was thinking. "Cannot wait for Max's reaction and thoughts!"

[@hwk00to]

Hope we see another video from Max on this and theory crafting now that there has been a bit of time since he played it

[@guillermofeijoo7797]

Imagine Zack's part of the story is him doing detective work and solving what tf is going on and piecing his story together. That would be so cool

[@lissas4152]

Agreed, I don't think either ending are red herrings simply because I also don't believe we have all the pieces to the story yet.

[@salverobosa7135]

And imagine Kunsel being a party member of Zack this time and we get to see his face! 😍

[@mustafu4032]

​@@salverobosa7135 YEEEEES MORE KUNSEL SCREENTIME

[@DubExp]

When Zack walks into the church and he his surrounded in white kind of reminds me of FF AV ending when him and Aerith's spirits watching over Cloud in the church at the end.

[@benn93z28]

That was intentional .. it was the exact inverse of what you see during the AC (people cheering while Zack leaves the church) vs Zack running in and see people in distress as seen here.

[@itsdantaylor]

some people think that's to signal that zack is actually dead and this is the afterlife, but I think it's just the lighting effect when you go from a really bright place to a really shady place and the light just blows out your retinas at the entraces.

[@batmanarkhamvengeancetm6358]

@@itsdantaylor yeah, I agree. Zack can't be dead, because as the material ultimania confirms, Zack has lived.

[@vivatsae-tae7506]

@@benn93z28 that's because cloud hasnt shown up. Aerith tells everyone to gather there and wait for Cloud

[@theotherjared9824]

I'd say the timelines have already converged, but no one is aware of it yet. The next entries are going to swap back and forth between cloud and Zack as they indirectly affect each other by doing their own thing.

[@thatsruffdog]

I really wish I hadn’t seen this scene in a KZbin thumbnail last year. I didn’t get a PS5 until Spring so the surprise of seeing the gang walking down the road after the credits wasn’t a surprise but more like a relief of finally being able to see this scene.

[@ricardomendoza-oy8mp]

Max’s pitch for the title screen. O god I got chills. Imagine the prelude with touches of those chosen by the planet? While sephiroth cloud and ramirez are in the truck

[@TheIceLurker]

That's my ideal start of FFVII remake part 2 as well, just strat straight from the Nibelheim backstory it would be so freaking amazing

[@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648]

It could end, then flashing forward at the inn as cloud says… that’s all I can remember…

[@GoldenMushroom64]

@@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648 no like that is EXACTLY what I have been fantasizing for the past several years. I can literally see it in my head

[@ebitoro4590]

As much as that would be cool, in light of the new ending we'll probably start with Zack's side of things to streamline the story. The flashback should transition straight into the main gameplay with Cloud, so the only way they can set up Zack and his situation would be to bring that to the beginning first, then cut away to Nibelheim for extra mindscrew.

[@genises200]

Man, wouldn't it be cool to get Zack and Future cloud to talk once more. For Zack to let Cloud know to live on a happy life and not be down on his death

[@Athlynne]

Cloud: "Do we become assholes or something?" Zack: "No, it's your kids! No one is gonna like Denzel!"

[@ronaldmaday]

Sephiroth is controlled by Jenova, Jenova’s controlled by Denzel.

[@holitinne]

You know, I had mixed feelings about this dimentional thing, but when I saw Intermission’s ending, when the party just hung out with each other, I remembered why I love FFVII, the characters, seeing them talk about nothing, being frustrated over little things, but constantly looking out for each other... you can have the most idiotic story, but as long as the cast remains faithful (or more so) to their NA release, I’m good. Looking forward to FFVIIR pt2.

[@goncaloferreira6429]

other thoughts: 1- the finalle will be much more complex this time around: at least the party vs sephiroth vs deepground. 2- they are building the characters so much that this "remake" will take a long time to actually be done. start saving for your playstation 6. 3- for better and for worst the story will not be the same. and the characters will be very, very different. 4- how can yuffi do the same things she did in the og after this? 5- Rufus may have a much bigger presence in the remake. will he be heading to AC Rufus or a completely diferent place? 6- Scarlet was amazingly grown in this. Will the other Shinra bad guys receive the same treatment?

[@olav947]

Pretty much my thoughts, 2 and 3 especially. And after this dlc ending I'm not expecting much of free roaming exploration.

[@scrat9870]

It was only a crumb, but feel like they already set up Heidegger for a more involved arc when he accidentally addresses Rufus as VP in the ending and Rufus doesn't respond

[@rohanchauhan8203]

4- yuffie needs Materia for Wutai..... Clouds group has a bunch of materia ..... Sound familiar?

[@jenniferchough]

3 - except the devs came out and said this year that FFVIIR's story will keep the same main storybeats and moments from the OG. There may be more detail or extra scenarios/situations added to keep things fresh for those of us who know the OG story, but by and large, the major things that happen will still happen, they said.

[@goncaloferreira6429]

@@jenniferchough "they said" and you believe them? if you consider the storyof the remake so far we already have quite a few things that went a little off of what was said. i will wait and judge the final product, whenever it is done.

[@kieranfennelly5746]

My personal thinking is that in Zack's timeline, all the people who have died in the original timeline are now alive e.g Biggs and Jessie and obviously Zack. The people in the Church, some of them look injured, I think are the victims of the plate collapsing in Sector 7, they are dead in the original timeline but are now alive in Zack's timeline. Eventually Aerith will die like the original game and she will continue to be alive in Zack's timeline. I think Max is right that the timelines with converge and everyone will kick Sephy's ass but when that happens the arbiters of fate that Sephiroth absorbed at the end of the part 1 will emerge and put the timelines right again in a very FFX style. Killing Sephiroth means Aerith and Zack will die all over again and we will be left with the original timeline as it happened in the og game except they will find a way to kill Sephiroth for good, basically making the events of Advent Children not happening anymore.

[@SnakeWorksStudio]

so those are all the people in the lifestream (heaven)?

[@kieranfennelly5746]

@@SnakeWorksStudio What I'm thinking is that because Sephiroth has absorbed Fate now that Cloud and the party have defeated the Arbiters of Fate, the people whose fate it was to die can't pass on to the lifestream, so instead they are stuck in limbo. I think the Stamp bag that changed at the end of part 1 was a previous model for Stamp that was cancelled and replaced with the current model. So the previous model is dead in the main timeline but alive in the alternate timeline with Zack.

[@richardsmith1898]

​@@kieranfennelly5746 Lol, what about all the soldiers that weren't supposed to die on that field in the final stand? Where do they go when they are wiped out when they shouldn't have been?

[@kieranfennelly5746]

@@richardsmith1898 In the timeline where they get wiped out, they are dead and in the FF7 universe, that means they go back to the lifestream as part of the planet. In the timeline where they don't get wiped out, they are alive.

[@hitorikimorgan8457]

Makes sense in the concept "a life for a life", aerith being dead in Zach's stead

[@USAM672]

Max you are the Greatest. Please keep freaking out and making more videos. We love you. ❤️

[@gmaster2647]

I can definitely see the Cloud + Zack team-up thing at the very end of the story happening, but what I also think is going to happen as well...is a gut-punch ending that the Compilation, outside source material, and this Remake have been building up to for years: Cloud eventually realizes that his existence is the thread that keeps Sephiroth around. So he goes on a suicide mission to trap and defeat Sephiroth once and for all, at the cost of his own life.

[@aaronlout1317]

Explains why sephiroth showed up in smash ultimate too, joking. This theory really does blow my mind though.

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

This is what I've been thinking as well. It'll be a fairly decent gut punch and will be a nice twist if they choose to keep Aerith alive now

[@jesseritchie9282]

Literally had this thought myself. Like I see Cloud going to do the ultimate hero sacrifice to actually stop Sephiroth once and for all. What a twist that would be

[@superman_ck_sv]

Cloud: Stay in my memories where you belong. Sephiroth: I will never be a memory. FF7R Sephiroth: I need you to live. Sephiroth horcrux is Cloud.

[@neruneri]

I think this is precisely why they're reintroducing Zack, to get out of having to do that. I am dead certain that Zack will be the actual key to getting out of this mess, and he will probably sacrifice himself to do so. Ultimately, I simply don't think they have the balls to actually kill Cloud off. What they can do however is get out of that by using Zack, and then do something to completely wipe Cloud's memory. Cloud doesn't need to die for the conclusion everything has been building up to for the past twenty years to occur, he just needs to forget about Sephiroth. What I'm thinking along the lines of as an actual outcome would be if Sephiroth tries to use Zack as an anchor in the material world to manifest himself, but it backfires and he gets locked inside of Zack instead, who is probably then locked inside of the Lifestream or something. Or worse, what if Zack sacrifices himself to lock Sephiroth up inside of his own body and them locks his body up outside of space and time. That is some convoluted shit, but it is exactly the type of convoluted shit they could go for.

[@BltzZ]

All those people in the church are from the sector 8 beginning game cutscene

[@RaifSeverence]

Why would the people from the sector 8 bombing seek refuge in a run down church in the slums on the opposite side of the city? It's MORE likely their refugees from the sector 7 collapse.

[@Kingdom-zu6tm]

@@RaifSeverence Could be like Max said. They are there mourning Aeriths death. After all she was everywhere handing out flowers, she's probably well known in Zacks timeline

[@tomasgarcia7499]

@@RaifSeverence the plate hadn’t collapse yet tho? I doubt it took Zack two days to get back to Midgar.

[@frankkendrick7751]

Max's insight or positing (whatever you want to call it) is what keeps me coming back to this channel, especially when it comes to FF7 Remake.

[@mmahead]

Love your vids! keep up the great work dood!🔥

[@xavistrife7067]

Goddamit! We need another full Max theory recapping all of what he said about FFVII Remake and connecting with Integrade!!!!!

[@forrestredd2706]

It has to be two different timelines, otherwise Zack wouldn't still have his Buster Sword.

[@Lalexi]

This is what I was coming to comment

[@ra0028534]

Or Zack just dies later.

[@GahloWake]

If we're going by a common time travel trope, by the party being in the singularity they are temporarily removed from the timeline. In a hypothetical 1 timeline theory shit changes in the past, but the ripples don't affect the party because they aren't part of the timeline, and then they get reinserted afterwards. So, it can be explained - though I do lean more towards the multiple timeline idea.

[@e1v1a19]

Probably. But time convergence bullshit will allow it. As per Rick and Morty, time and space become certain and everything becomes possible and not possible. That means 2 clouds, zack is alive and they’re all on the same planet.

[@itsdantaylor]

......unless he was time displaced. Considering the time difference between the plate falling and zack arriving at midgar several months before the initial bombing run mission, it's entirely possible that zack was just pulled from his point in the og timeline and zapped to the world of ff7r post aribiter fight. i mean when you think about it, sephiroth is clearly from the future, and the stuff in the OG timeline had to have HAPPENED for sephiroth to know how to mess with the past. So zack being pulled from the og timeline due to the elimination of the arbiter's isn't THAT outlandish

[@Zaniel1984]

hearing you talking about the game is filling my heart with love. thank you very much!!

[@EmotionalCacti]

Also another reason they are separate time lines is that Zack and Cloud both have the buster sword. If it was the same time line only one of them would have it.

[@derago-dev]

Maybe that scene when Zack gets into the church means that Aerith is not even alive, like, he being alive somehow made something in the world of his timeline make Aerith die or something like that...

[@2052brad]

@Chase Wells or Sephiroth killed her again. Cuz that’s what he does😎 Them JENOVA cells just love killing the ancients. Shinra wouldn’t kill Aerith, and if for whatever reason they accidentally did, people in the slums wouldnt know that she was dead. Shinra would’ve covered it all up.

[@fruitsalad2458]

Bcz There's no plot ghost to keep her safe in Zack's timeline

[@shagswag7435]

I was thinking that maybe since Zack is alive in this other timeline that Cloud was the one who died

[@fruitsalad2458]

@@shagswag7435 it could be, but we saw in the ending that both of them survive and Cloud is just unconscious, maybe Cloud became i dunno a barista or something in Zack's timeline?

[@winterwolf2164]

I honestly LOVE how this story is playing out thus far. Cannot wait to play part two. Also cannot wait to see how they render the Weapon bosses, Hades, and Knights of the Round.

[@brockvt3938]

My big brain theory is that Zack is coming to Midgar after the events of the original game (or at least, as you said, after the events of Aerith’s death).

[@Jungle_Twist]

I loved theorizing with him and the chat. Very fun to try and figure that stuff out

[@SuperGodzilla2]

i love it when Max geeks out on this shit. freaking awesome. cant wait for the next game

[@dudemcguy1227]

Back to the Future is cool and all, I just didn't really want FFVII to end up with timeline or alternate dimensions shenanigans. Creating a timeline convergence in order to have Cloud and Zack team up to fight Sephiroth just seems like a fan service approach to FFVII. I didn't want the original story changed like this. I just wanted it be preserved and repackaged in a way so that people who can't look past the original graphics could experience the original story. But it is what it is at this point. They clearly have a different vision for the remake than I did. I hope those who are excited for this approach are happy with the future remake games/stories.

[@Msoulwing]

On the bright side, the Steam version of FFVII has some *really* good graphics mods if you want to play the original with a new look.

[@senojnomis]

Couldn’t agree more, it makes me feel kinda queasy to see this timey-wimey hacky writing ruin square’s best story ever... it just baffles me how they’ve decided to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by corrupting such an incredible story instead of immortalising themselves by creating the perfect version of one of the greatest games of all time... baffles the fuck out of me...

[@snatchr2451]

Its depressing I cant recommend the ""remake"" to my friends as some kind of badass definitive version of FF7. Because its a sequel more focused on winks and nods and subverting expectations than telling a story. If Nojima or Nomura or whoever is to blame for this wanted to write some wacky fanfic AU FF7 story why the fuck would they pollute this once in a lifetime remake opportunity? Who the hell was out there for 20 years waiting for a remake hoping they'd do THIS with it? Keep that shit in dirge of cerberus tier spin offs where it belongs. It just feels incredibly tone deaf and selfish to taint what should be a celebration of that game into something completely new and different. Most of the remake was fine, expanding wall market or visiting Jessies parents house? Great, fits in perfectly. The whispers are junk and the threat of the sequels going even further off the rails put a bad taste in my mouth. The last thing I wanted to feel finishing part 1 was worry, but here we are.

[@glottis8]

Hearing Max set the intro to the flashback start of the game is pretty awesome.

[@empanadanguwak]

If the convergence does come into fruition, I hope the battle between Cloud and Zack v Sephiroth happens (or at least starts) inside a Nibelheim reactor to mirror the past.

[@axelstone3131]

I didn’t take it as they were passing each other at the same time in different timelines. To me it was just them walking past each other at different points in time but it’s the same place. They aren’t passing each other during the “same” time but in different timelines. It was just showing that Zack, and Cloud passed this same exact points months prior. But what the fuck do I know. Nobody knows what’s going on lol

[@darcrequiem]

I was thinking the same thing. Zack carrying Cloud happens at the same time that Cloud would have been staggering towards Midgar after Zack died in the original timeline. The event don't occur at the same time.

[@axelstone3131]

@@darcrequiem yep I agree with you. It’s crazy how people can come up with wild theories to what is possibly the most obvious thing. But who knows.

[@darcrequiem]

@@axelstone3131 Sometimes people look so hard for a hidden meaning that they forget to notice what's obvious.

[@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648]

The only thing happening at the same time from that scene was the arbiters, cause they are constant. Everything else is on a different time.

[@axelstone3131]

@@darcrequiem yeh I totally agree with you

[@samfisher8850]

God I hope zack gets his own episode

[@BESM1984]

to merge the timelines he MUST have an episode explaining not only his combat style but what he's timeline truly looks like

[@e1v1a19]

Red13 needs his own ep. I wanna know what he was doing before he was captured by Shinra.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

I think the odds of that are nigh 100% in favor of it happening

[@xMarrilliamsx]

Man, that would be so fucking dope. A ff7R episode of Zack.. Man, it makes the teen in me scream with hope! XD

[@justingabriel1765]

I hope there’s literally a whole extra game with just Zack, like make this remake story be 4 games long, and set up for the second game to end on a cliffhanger, abs then the next game be ZACK doing the bombing run!!! The only difference is that there will be different things happening!

[@santus07]

Im so glad that I've been thinking this convergence thing Will happen, and Zack and Cloud beat Sephiroth, since MAX was playing the Remake , and even mention Bungenhagen too. This is why I follow this channel, I love when Max talks because is so similar to me , in the way of thinking. I salute you all, from Argentina

[@KalaamNozalys]

Personal deep analysis at the end: -Zack's Buster sword is way rustier than cloud's, that's a curious detail. -The flower look more trampled than withered, they may believe her dead but I rather think she was taken by the Shinra since Cloud wasn't here to save her this time, and just thrown in rumor she died during Reactor 1 attack (since we know the shinra planted explosives themselves to enhance the destruction).

[@darkwalker19]

Oh I thought that they would be crying because since cloud wasn't around during that point in the timeline, the plate fell and killed a bunch of people, possibly including all of avalanche.

[@TK_1340]

13:30 Wow. You were absolutely correct in your prediction. 😮

[@BaezHD]

He predicted the beginning exactly holy shit lol 13:25

[@fattmusiek5452]

so good. love these ideas