This Ending Has My Brain MELTING: Final Fantasy VII Remake - Intermission/Intergrade (Finale)

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[@BusterSwordUser]

I need this Remake series to end with Cloud confronting Sephiroth about the Grays Sports Almanac.

[@karlitoswayy]

ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿 ʙᴏɪ🐿

[@zachataxxii7126]

That, or they just play a game of Fort Condor

[@SiegahertzCarmin]

Sephi respons: "It's obvions Cloud: I need scissors 61"

[@luigi369]

Tell me Cloud what worse do you know about that book

[@Nito-San]

This is Heavy, Doc.

[@1wayroad935]

Seeing the plate fall from ABOVE hit me on an atomic level.

[@LolwutStevie]

Hit the citizens on an atomic level as well :^)

[@michaelvanhouten4498]

@@LolwutStevie FUCK'N...HAYOOOO! XD

[@LeviathanVIII]

Yeah. that was some f**ked up s**t right there. Had 2012 movie vibes all over it.

[@JhilianBee]

Yeah it honestly hit me harder than seeing the plate fall from below

[@creativebusinessunit7506]

Facts

[@DrakeyC]

"One of Shinra's many anime experiments" - it's pretty much the entire business model of their military.

[@mas8705]

Considering one of those is promoting Sephiroth’s hair products, I feel like that isn’t really a well kept secret to their plans of operations…

[@DrakeyC]

@@mas8705 No, the secret is just HOW anime they go.

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

If you think about it, FF7's basically: Spiky haired kid makes a promise with his osananajimi to become a Soldier to follow in the footsteps of his idol, the great hero Sephiroth; A long white haired bishounen samurai with a huge katana. He grows up with selective amnesia as a bishounen himself, wielding a giant sword, his osananajimi grows up to be a busty bishoujo who knows kungfu. FF7's the most anime of all FFs, nothing else is even close to an anime lol

[@alexmansfield3268]

The Shinra corporation is basically “what if a bunch of weebs were rich and somehow ruled the world”

[@DrakeyC]

@@alexmansfield3268 That may be the most accurate description of them I've ever heard.

[@MhEpHiLeS]

-Zack in the church: yo guys what happend here? Tseng at the distance: wtf

[@user-qf6li2wv4i]

Cunsel: dude wtf like wtf

[@jonathanabgrall6075]

Square pulled NO PUNCHES when it came to actually giving Yuffie a stake in the story this time around, like holy fuck.

[@FumiTheSillyGirl]

I wanna see Intergrade V I N C E N T

[@jonathanabgrall6075]

@@FumiTheSillyGirl And i want Red XIII to actually have a line of dialogue but it is what it is lol.

[@Fayt540]

@@FumiTheSillyGirl I think that might be next, along with getting more about Reeve/Cait Sith

[@MelaniAlarcon]

@@FumiTheSillyGirl holy! so do i!

[@GuitarJester89]

Right? She had very little purpose in the original game. Glad they changed that.

[@mkadoza]

WHY DOES BARRET LOOK SO DAMN GOOD WITHOUT GLASSES. HIS EYES ARE GORGEOUS

[@LeoRedgrave]

GOD DAMN RIGHT

[@ron8162]

the next gen upgrade made everyone beautiful

[@LeoRedgrave]

@@ron8162 why do i want to hear Avalanche Time in Part 2

[@creativebusinessunit7506]

Facts.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

Barret has been making me question things about myself ever since Remake came out last year. Definitely looks better than he did in Advent Children.

[@free2928]

The cutscenes are movie quality. I love the energy of the group too. Notice how Barret doesn’t get mad at Cloud for calling him heavy lol.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Literally as good as advent children at 60fps. Only difference is enviormental assets being lower quality compared to the movie. But with lumen in ue5 they can create enviorments on that level

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@MrInuhanyou123 That inline with the game tho lol. Remake looks good untill you star examining details and you see all the low res assets, but hey i guess its fine

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@jonathansoko1085 that's what im saying lol. The games character models are almost as good as the movies but the enviormental detail was already noticably lower than advent children. The low res textures on ps4 made it look worse. Now the textures are a good quality but the assets are still relatively video gamey which can be fixed with ue5 nanite tech

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@MrInuhanyou123 Typical square move, flash particle fx and massive motion blur and fire works to distract you from the lower than 1080p assets in the game

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@jonathansoko1085 i mean its not so big a deal since hardware in real-time is limited compared to offline cg like a movie. But its amazing they have come so close already. When they move to ue5 they are gonna take an even further step to getting close to cgi quality

[@AerosDecree]

Can we just say this version of Cloud is awesome, and he actually smiled I'm so happy 😊💗

[@jackjacques7495]

This is how he was in the original too, it was just hard to tell because of the lego models lol. The hardass routine actually got dropped early on in the original, and then he even relaxed and cracked jokes somtimes. His bad reputation is mostly from Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children. Though in Advent Children he at least had good reasons to be depressed.

[@AerosDecree]

@@jackjacques7495 Fair point good sir, the translation was pretty bad for the original , so it's nice to see this being fleshed out so well 😀

[@MariusBoss11458]

​@@jackjacques7495 Lego or Roblox? Or Both?

[@rubemevangelista3868]

@@MariusBoss11458 minegoblox?

[@MariusBoss11458]

@@rubemevangelista3868 I guess Minecraft too. You know it's cool that for games like FF8 they're normal models. No Chibi. So mods which replaces em are good and doesn't feel weird. But the Remaster did remaster em pretty well. Just the Backgrounds that are bad.

[@publiusnaso9473]

Zack's putting his own party together: Kunsel, Cissnei, etc

[@DrakeyC]

I nominate Johnny, Elfe, Veld, and Deneh to join him.

[@Offbeaten]

I'd love to see him team up with Biggs.

[@trymv1578]

Im assuming it'll be Zack and Biggs, and if Wedge/Jessie somehow squeak out being alive they'll add-in.

[@christianrosado8838]

and Tseng! who seemed very fond of him

[@kaioriuzamaki]

Yes please!

[@natasham.5610]

This one hit hard. Especially when you take into account that not only were citizens under the plate but thousands more on the top plate as well. Also Yuffie's scream was heartbreaking, her voice actress characterized Yuffie so well.

[@Jebbtube]

Since they've gone and brought in the Deepground stuff this early on, I imagine that when Vincent is introduced, they'll play a much more prominent role. And now that Yuffie has a personal vendetta against Nero, that'll just add to the drama.

[@tompotter8703]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tsviets end up being bosses throughout Remake, like Azul filling in for the Behemoth fight etc.

[@kcluna2187]

They'll probably expound on this too in the party's return to Midgar in OG's Disc 3. Since they are after Hojo at that time, the Tsviets and Deepground will likely make a proper reappearance. It will be a huge turning point for Yuffie and Vincent's character.

[@jackjacques7495]

@@DontXtheStream They're 100% definetly doing a Vincent DLC as well. Which strongly suggests part 2 almost certainly won't reach Nibelheim.

[@Enwickote]

Unlike Yuffie, Vincent is sleeping until the party finds him, Vincent is my favourite but leave it as it is ffs, stop changing it all!

[@tompotter8703]

I think Cait Sith has a better chance at having his own DLC. Maybe how he got to gold saucer and whether or not Reeve is working in Shinra’s best interests.

[@coreydemoss4781]

My take: The devs aren't satisfied with just re-creating the events of the OG game. They want to re-create the feelings you felt while playing it. A big part of that was the confusion you felt surrounding Zack. He just shows up in the OG game, you have no idea who he is, what's going on, if this is real or an illusion, it's total confusion. On purpose. If they just retold the same story again, there would be no confusion or surprise because we all know the events already. So this time, they introduce Zack in a new way, change the circumstances surrounding him, and successfully manage to make his story confusing again - to everyone, new and old players alike. And the same thing is going to happen, where they're going to keep his story deliberately confusing for a time. I'd bet Part 2 includes multiple scenes with Zack where it's still not clear if he's on another timeline, if the scenes we're seeing are in the past or present, etc. And I think much of that confusion will center in Nibelheim. And then we're later going to get definitive answers about what's going on with Zack, just like we did in the OG when Cloud fell in the Lifestream.

[@coreydemoss4781]

@@Dairunt1 Pretty much! They did similar things with Sephiroth in Remake. He was ultra scary the first time around because he seemed so powerful. You followed in his tracks and just saw him killing President Shinra, the Midgar Zolom, etc. He seemed almost mythical. Well, this time around, he won't be a mystery to you anymore. So they can't just keep him off screen and make him as intimidating, because you already know all about him. So what do they do? They give him power over fucking time itself and the ability to know exactly what your party is going to do. So now he's back to seeming completely all-powerful and borderline unstoppable. Same concept. They're finding ways of re-instilling the same feelings and reactions in you that you had to the OG game the first time you played it.

[@shinjid3705]

And thats what the haters don't understand. They lack the intelligence to see all this. All they wanna see is that their OG game is ruined by remakes. They need to put that nostalgia google down.

[@shannon1242]

Absolutely. OG fans were worried that new players would be too confused by Zack showing up out of nowhere but we were introduced to him the same way. Hey it's Cloud with black hair! Wait what?? The theme of them recreating the (feelings) even if it isn't a one for one in how they are introduced is spot on.

[@savann.sun1980]

For sure they know how to make us speculate, just like with Zack’s last scene.

[@benjamingiddens6758]

feel like your initial statement is pretty proven just by the fact that you kill fate in the remake and thus the metaphorical chains that bind the players to the events of the original game.

[@AlexT7916]

I bet that a fucked up reanimated version of Sonon will be a bossfight in the next game where we deal with Deep Ground and its going to be heartbreaking ! Oh , also WTF ZACK ?!

[@TheSarste]

I had the same thought!

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Sonon's probably going to be used as a body for Genesis who's decaying since Crisis Core, he even looks like Gackt.

[@annieme-tions]

Damn twice reanimated

[@dreamsandhonour3319]

What about Zack? what do you mean? I know you`re confused but its not his fault, its the devs that put him in those circumstances...

[@dreamsandhonour3319]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Ah what? Genesis gets healed at the end of CC, did play it? he was defeated and left unconscious after that Weiss And Nero took him to Deepground (supposedly)..or somewhere else. He looks like Gackt cause Gackt was freakin' in that CGI secret ending.

[@spidersonic0110]

I hope he uploads the hours of theorizing and speculation he did about the ending

[@qhodave]

That's what we are all waiting for

[@danedavid6925]

Did he actually do it for hours on stream?

[@drewboden6981]

@@danedavid6925 basically. He talked about what the ending could mean and talked about his interpretation and ideas of remake now that it's been months since the first playthrough. He's going through the main game again on hard mode too, so hopefully we get to see that on here. I love hearing his thoughts and discussions about this game. So insightful and fun to hear him gush

[@liynne]

it will prob be in the spoilers review

[@santus07]

Don't worry He will , don't missed it because is gold.

[@BCBtheBeastlyBeast]

I finally teared up at Yuffie witnessing the plate falling. The quality of the cutscene is insane and it comes right after Sonon dies. Tearing up really caught me off guard. Didn't feel like I even had control of it--I was just immersed in the moment of the story. There are very few games that have done that to me.

[@ParanormalCacti]

Glad other people felt this way. It was extremely horrible and effective to have her go right from Sonon dying to witness basically 9/11 happening outside, and it didn't feel forced since they set up when exactly the story was taking place ahead of time. That's too much trauma in one day for Yuffie 😭

[@MariusBoss11458]

Still don't get why they made that an ad. I actually got an Intergrade ad with that scream. Very short. Edit: One good thing about that is we'll know what her reaction will be at... End of Disc 1... Since we know her reaction in OG...

[@jherrenor]

Knowing Sonon was gonna die at the end didn't make it any less heartbreaking.

[@jet44444]

Really, I felt like he didn’t get much development. I actually didn’t care when he died, it was sad, but he needed more development imo.

[@i.theworstguys298]

@@jet44444 Personally in the constraints of the DLC given, Sonon was brilliantly done. He’s not particularly well written in terms of complexity and his story is nothing new but he was integrated so well that it didn’t matter. I loved his dialogue, design, and his background even if it was a bit generic. He didn’t need all the bells and whistles to have an impact.

[@jackjacques7495]

@@jet44444 He was done well considering the time restraints of DLC.

[@kuroinova2056]

@@jet44444 i think him being a really helpful party member really makes this sad, because i wanted to play him….

[@JD-ey8hw]

@@i.theworstguys298 "He’s not particularly well written" "he was integrated so well" "I loved his dialogue, design, and his background even if it was a bit generic." So many contradictions. Dude is generic hero guy and didn't really have any impact in the end.

[@SinnerMann]

“7 seconds until the end, 7 seconds to make a decision, revert the timeline to the og timeline and have everyone you love die or keep the current timeline, have everyone who should of died live but the world will be in shambles. It’s all on you, cloud. Either way, you will never be rid of me.” Is a very sepheroth thing to do

[@nikkilengyel]

I think that Zack is in OGFF7 timeline. The cross at the altar in remake is stone, but in OG it's wood. If you look at the cross in the Zack scene, it's also wood. So, he's probably in another timeline. Unless Square made a mistake with that cross, which I doubt considering their attention to detail.

[@GoldenMushroom64]

Yeah and they made an effort to make sure you see the cross too

[@wisewind6284]

Yea I agree but I think he's actually in the future around the time of Advent Children. If u look at the last close-up shot of Zack, you can see in the reflection of his eyes that the left-side of the church is completely blown open. The church is in this state during the events of Advent Children (see Tifa vs Loz fight).

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

It’s the same cross as seen in the original and in advent children.

[@creativebusinessunit7506]

So many people keep getting confused with this. The cross isn't stone in the remake, in the remake there is NO cross, this isn't related at all to it being a different timeline, it's simply because at the time you're playing the story in the remake, the church is already destroyed and the wooden cross just fell off/broke. The "stone cross" you claim to be seeing isn't a cross at all. It's just a dark faded outline of the wooden cross that was there before the church got wrecked. A lot of ppl keep spreading this bullshit when in reality there is NO cross in the time of the story in the remake. In this particular zack scene which is obviously set BEFORE the church got destroyed, obviously the cross would still be there. There was always only ever one cross, there was never a stone cross. There are many other reasons you could use in the remake for the timeline theory, but this cross isn't one of them.

[@Priceluked]

What if Zack is neither in the past or the present whether alternate or otherwise, but is actually in the future old timeline post FF7 or Post Advent Children? lol

[@AnubisDark]

Good writing and acting, i only knew Sonon for 3 hours and his final moment touched me

[@tomasgarcia7499]

Me too!

[@GoldenMushroom64]

Yeah same. The music really helped too. He was a bro. Rest in Peace

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

That VA is the same guy who voices Zenitsu in the English dub of Demon Slayer. Let that sink in.

[@AnubisDark]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 dont know what it is

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

@@AnubisDark that’s a crying shame.

[@azahel542]

Next is the Genesis DLC where we go around quoting loveless to enemies instead of fighting them.

[@eddy5097]

Like Vaan in FF12

[@xShane1122x]

And eating their hair, don’t forget that part

[@phsquared1000]

Ah so like Vs gameplay from DMCV but with no familiars and just Gackt energy instead.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@phsquared1000 and it would still be fun is the scary part

[@eddy5097]

I'm captain Basch von Rosenberg!

[@generaljimmies3429]

"Everybody's confused." Max (Somewhere Nomura is cackling evilly)

[@dreamsandhonour3319]

Okay, seriously Why does Everybody watching Max is so against Nomura? I don`t get it. Why all the hate? cause you dont like his take? seriously? just for that petty reason? Look I`m not some fan of Nomura`s work, but he is also a human, just like us...so please..I dunno how does he sleep at nights poor guy.

[@XenoSamurai]

Nomura isn't the writer for the remake, it's Nojima.

[@cangri1788]

@@XenoSamurai Neither the director anymore, but still a producer tho

[@Hitsyfication]

@@dreamsandhonour3319 It's not just Max's viewers that dislike Nomura. Why, you ask? Because he ruined Cloud...twice. Ruined FFXV. Ruined Kingdom Hearts. And now he *might* ruin FF7R. You can't blame people for being concerned.

[@flailingdragoon1072]

​@@Hitsyfication literally nothing you said here is factual, especially regarding FFXIV when he didn't even write that game.

[@silverflight01]

The amount of *D A R K N E S S* coming from Nero is enough to make even Xehanort look tame.

[@josebarrientos4485]

Run run as much as you can max but theirs no escaping gackt

[@biorobot2]

REDEMPTIOOOOOOON !!!

[@SephirothSpirit]

Gackt is Backt!

[@SinHurr]

Zackt

[@PilgrimMinistry]

Genesis: “I am… inevitable.”

[@posteriorpepperoni]

Gackt will never be a memory

[@briana.9395]

40:32 I find it funny with Tifa adjusting Aertith's form, like she's teaching her martial arts.

[@berk6413]

I know most will be talking about the ending with Zack, but can we just appreciate Sonon’s greatness in the little screen time he got? Also SPOILERS… Having Sonon sacrifice himself to save Yuffie as a game mechanic to foreshadow what happens later in the actual story was pretty brilliant. Also the Sonon and Melphie Da-Chao bean scene is seriously underrated. Saw someone with a great take say that since Da-chao beans are only edible to ninjas, and Sonon couldn’t eat it in his hallucination, he’s lost his identity and knows it - hence why he says “damn” and replicates holding Melphie. He’s being stripped of his humanity so he tries to hold on to the most human thing about him before becoming a corpse-puppet. Fuck Nero honestly

[@thephoenix2038]

And also gave her more motivation to join the party later on to fight Rufus and Sephiroth

[@xShane1122x]

He was a great character! That ending 😭

[@thephoenix2038]

@@xShane1122x I think that Aerith is dead in his timeline

[@xShane1122x]

@@thephoenix2038 In Zack’s? Could be. May I ask why though?

[@thephoenix2038]

@@xShane1122x Everyone was crying in the church, Aerith is well known in the slums for helping people, more so the orphan children

[@silverflight01]

Aerith in Zack's timeline is either: 1. Dead, either because of Shinra, Sephiroth, or someone else 2. In Hojo's lab, still in Shinra's possession. 3. Straight up missing with nobody having any idea where she went.

[@The_AGL_Group]

Anyone else going to point out how this might be the most horrifying version of the Sector 7 plate drop? We've mostly seen it from below with C, B, and T grappling away, or with unfitting guitar music, but just seeing the ground *sink* in a fiery blaze right in front of your feet -- Christ! ~ Alia

[@AbrahamArthemius]

True, that scene just so horrifying

[@Galiaverse]

...And I just remembered all of Yuffie's new Avalanche buddies were down there as well. Unless they already said they were moving on elsewhere... geez...

[@BCBtheBeastlyBeast]

I said the same thing watching it-- "Jesus Christ" lol I actually teared up and was so surprised I was like "whoa, did this game just take over my emotions?!" XD Seriously amazing. Needless to say, I was immersed in the moment at some deeper level. Very few games have made me feel anything like that.

[@orioneyo8968]

@@Alex_Logan22 yeah, must've been influenced by what happened to sonon

[@mibcd]

I've finished the game, watched someone else finish it as well but only now did I realize that it was the S7 plate drop. lol. thanks

[@JoshWhiteMonsterMania]

Max, thanks for getting me so interested/invested in the world of Final Fantasy VII. I never played the original game, but back before the Remake came out, I got super hyped cuz of how passionate you are about the franchise. I loved the shit outta FFVII Remake (my favorite game of 2020) and I always look forward to any vids you put out that have to do with the series. I've completely re-watched your original playthru a few times now too lmao. Thanks for everything Dood!

[@drewboden6981]

That's relatable lol

[@wilkinlow]

You played the OG yet?

[@VegasAceVII]

So happy to see new fans of FFVII. Welcome!

[@Enwickote]

Welcome aboard, but play the OG yourself!

[@JustKelso1993]

Dirge of Cerberus is a mess but it is a fun mess in its own right so I suggest giving it a go alongside the OG game. It is a game that you will either hate or enjoy lol I enjoyed it but I know many who hate it. Worth a go though for the entire story.

[@r.f.switch5847]

Does this mean you're gonna go talk to the Easy Allies again? I'm sure Brad is waiting to go level 5 or 6 Galaxy brain with you again.

[@ShadowMKII]

Hell yes! I sure HOPE he does! That would be great!

[@xShane1122x]

That would be awesome!

[@liynne]

he will talk with dropped frames i think for sure, one of the guys said they need to get max on it, idk ab easy allies. id love to tho.

[@sdbzfan1]

I want max and strippin to talk again, i always learn so much and i love it

[@yeseniafuentessantos995]

That will be BRUTAL!!! YEAH

[@Cruddy129]

If Sonon was enough to make me teary eyed, i am DREADING that iconic moment when Aerith would eventually meet her end

[@hyperstargaming6150]

The story is shaping up in a way where it may not even happen to begin with. Everything has gone haywire.

[@J01789]

​@hyperstargaming6150 Devs already confirmed it's gonna happen.

[@NeroV1L3]

​@@J01789 "source? My source is i made it the fuck up"

[@J01789]

@@NeroV1L3 Source: interviews that are incredibly simple to look up on Google.

[@NexusNoxCS]

That long-ass sequence with Sonon just made me thing of another iconic goodbye sequence that should be coming in Part II. I mean, if they went this far to amplify Sonon to this degree I get goosebumps thinking of what they do with all those hugely dramatic things that are coming. Damn.

[@agentorange1556]

Man Yuffie was starting to grow on me. Hopefully she’ll be a lead playable character again. I can’t wait for her interaction with Tifa also.

[@kyellebantog7720]

"Hey, boobs! Try that again!"

[@TesuuArisato]

hopefully she isn't and we can play Zack this time around with cloud...you guys take "strong female lead to an entirely new level" lol

[@djgoku7774]

@@TesuuArisato That had zero reason why I like playing with her. I can give 2 shits about gender roles. It's wether or not I can stand the character. She was quirky and fun as well as her mechanics. I get what your saying about the "strong female lead agenda" and such but not everyone thinks that way. Yes I think she will appear playable in the future and yes Zack too. I think it's gonna all lead back the Cloud's group and them. working together.

[@genorem]

@@TesuuArisato that's a pretty big jump in logic. Let's not mix our own personal hangups with today's toxic landscape. Things are heated enough.

[@TesuuArisato]

@@djgoku7774 ok that had nothing to do with why you wanted to play her?...then why not hope she links up with the main cast and become playable in the party? 🤔 why does she need another leading game when cloud and Zack about to probably be leads

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

"Barret, quit being so beautiful"

[@devinknox7558]

now I legitimately wonder if red will die like charmander if his tail goes out.

[@forrestredd2706]

The people doing music for these games absolutely deserve all of the awards. All of them. Greatest arrangement of songs in the history of gaming without a doubt.

[@juanvsreviews]

Agree they are amazing

[@floramerano6293]

"All born are bound to her. Should this world be unmade, so too shall her children." They changed the whole reality. There is only a single reality. That will also explain the Stamp thing.

[@misternoobie]

40:10 love the music...

[@jamescorey3516]

Max with the Troll 10000. "This is Zack now. Zack is Nero."

[@dannysimion]

Wow, I actually felt for Yuffie here. I didnt really get an emotional resonance with her in the original game so to give her one in this episode - oh Square Enix you play rotten good!! Now she gotta avenge the lost of her fallen comrades. Gotta give props to the music - I'm impressed they gave new tracks here especially the dramatic ending.

[@D0d_]

Bruh this Nero boss music is insanity

[@sassytheeunicorn]

Zack is alive. Stamp is gonna be a terrier in the main timeline, too, I bet. Everything that wasn't inside that singularity where they fought the Whispers changed. I think Cloud and company are gonna start noticing the changes pretty early on in the next game, starting with Stamp.

[@OrlinChris]

Thats the new thery i heard a lot about and i dont know if i like it or not, because if the timeline changed then yuffie changed too she wouldnt have the exact same story which was told in intermission there would have been no cloud as avalanche member. So i think its going to be a bleeding of the timelines maybe this singularity has broken something and now it will merge slowly into the maintimeline. Regardless what it will be i bet it will be logically and plausible because this story so far is nothing but amazingly executed and told.

[@Kaytenorg]

@Nobody Sorry, I don't know if I can trust somebody who doesn't know how to spell Midgar ;)

[@M-E_123]

I could see this - including Jessie working at the Gold Saucer in the play at Event Square (as the Princess) - she never joined Avalanche & won't recognise anyone. But it could just as easily be another explanation.

[@JB6GD684]

So it’s like back to the future 2 or the ending of Scooby Doo mystery inc. by defeating the whispers the harbinger, they changed history to one where it never existed

[@Skorpio994]

Well isn’t clouds weapon originally zaks? I don’t think they would have the same weapon in the same timeline

[@talanock]

hard to find that enemy threatening with a jock strap on his face.

[@BCBtheBeastlyBeast]

XD

[@jackjacques7495]

Welcome to Dirge of Cerberus character designs... Nero's outfit and Weiss' hair makes Kingdom Hearts characters look normal.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

It’s simultaneously threatening and not threatening. On one hand, it’s a jock strap. On the other hand, this dude’s so powerful they even had to put restraints on his face.

[@JustKelso1993]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Yup, people make fun of it but imagine why they had to put a literal metal strap across his mouth. He is in a literal straight jacket for goodness sake.

[@holitinne]

35:17 man, that theme gets me...,Wutai honors its warriors.

[@Hushoo]

Just realized Cloud isn't elected as the leader when the leave Midgar in the remake

[@MattProfitt]

Lol we all know it’s implied

[@sonickchri]

In OG FFVII Barret initially elects himself as leader, too. But shortly afterwards, the group basically shoots it down. But here this is all just Barret talking. No gameplay is happening/PHS so it makes sense that the group wouldn't decide just yet. Cloud is the somewhat reluctant to step up leader.

[@OwenCaudleMusic]

33:38 to the end of the flashback. This whole section made me cry. I’m watching this scene for the third time and I cried every single time. Just how there is hardly no dialogue and the music takes over the scene just broke me.

[@GoldenMushroom64]

Yeah the right music makes a BIG difference. Square Enix has known that for years though

[@mikeruiger7174]

This dlc was phenomenal and added some story elements to yuffie a character I love. I can’t wait to see what the next part is like and what awesome dlc comes than

[@rabbitwolf6521]

It should be illegal for these characters to be as gorgeous as they are.

[@afruitypunchy]

*Barret in dark night, wear sunglasses *Barret walk in bright sunny dessert, no sunglasses.

[@jackjacques7495]

lol.

[@maillardsbearcat]

After the whole Remake series, we should get a movie.

[@himankdayal7013]

Advent children remake but nomura is making it

[@maillardsbearcat]

@@himankdayal7013 Yo Advent Children II would be sick

[@xMarrilliamsx]

That would be sooo sick!

[@rosenrot234]

Imagine if Gackt comes back. One could call it. A Redemption

[@BreadMakerCTM]

Here, have a like. Now get out of here XD

[@samiraradmila4094]

Why are talking about gackt I mean genesis?Is there some hints that genesis coming back?Love genesis though

[@RaGe2306]

@@samiraradmila4094 in the normal timeline SE teasered it in the secret ending of DoC.

[@uchihasasuke945]

Shout out everyone rewatching after the rebirth announcement

[@irwan86]

Whoever acting and voicing for Zack is incredibly good

[@MariusBoss11458]

I hope he acts the same way he did in Intergrade for CC Reunion.

[@irwan86]

@@MariusBoss11458 CCR is fully voice eh this time? Ya hope sooo then

[@MariusBoss11458]

@@irwan86 True. There's scenes which is just text. That might be fully voiced like in Remake

[@shadowofdread7018]

After hearing how he is at times during Crisis Core Remake, this aged like milk

[@Emeraldnite-if7vo]

He is likely still in the alternate timeline at the end, and something bad happened to Aerith in that timeline. People saying the people in the church are refugees from Sector 7--it would be too early for those events to have occurred by the time Zack returned to Midgar with Cloud and visit Aerith. And for anyone saying the past is rewritten--he still has his sword, so Cloud shouldn't have that same sword.

[@davidhudgin]

I think I heard someone say the plate was still up and the stain glass window in the church was different, implying yes a different timeline

[@PaulStackhouse]

There is no different universe in FF7, so ... I would prefer it to be a vision of the lifestream, like an optimal way imagined by the planet for her souls, a kind of memory.

[@DreamerFromTheDepths]

It would take too much writing to explain why this is probably true in more detail, but in short, if Zack is in the main timeline now what happened to Cloud and the rest of the cast? Is there doubles of everyone now? How can that happen? The World would be plunged into chaos if that's true, so that means Rufus knew his Father died, but suddenly he's alive again? That's pretty suspicious, President Shinra would most likely just be sitting in his office, meaning he'd just appear out of thin air. And now that would also mean that there's two groups of Turks, none of that makes any sense, and it would quickly ruin the story, but it's not unheard of from Nomura I guess. I'm really hoping this is still just the alternate timeline.

[@TrainHardnett]

@@davidhudgin the cross in the church is different too.

[@lawthirtyfour2953]

@@TrainHardnett The crosss looks exactly the same as it does in the promo art of Barret holding Marlene. This is nothing but a different due to being made by different people

[@mastervixron]

I just thought of something... what if Aerith saying her stomach's in knots means something else that's not food related... but actually deja vu of her getting stabbed in the back by Sephiroth?

[@GoldenMushroom64]

okay but cAN YOU STOP-

[@axelstone3131]

Cloud has already seen visions of this. This won’t happen again, at least not like it the original. I imagine cloud will be able to prevent this from happening or something will save her. Maybe even Zack

[@zueszues9715]

That why i dont worry so much This team make charecter so loveable and yet Make fun about Aerith death This team is so evil and Angel at the same time

[@galaxy_kitten95]

I always took it as her way of sensing that Zack was out there and she couldn't get to him..

[@connergalles7106]

@@galaxy_kitten95 I honestly just wonder if Zack and Aerith are going to meet

[@ivanleon6164]

when they said "a ninja teenage" i really tought they would mention the turtle neck immediately after that, it was a really good opportunity to say teenage ninga turtle in a sentence, lmao.

[@Madman6884]

Yeah I'm gonna go with the idea that the different Stamp design on the bag wasn't a Red Herring, but just a misinterpretation. If we had seen Cloud and co leaving the city and there was a billboard with the original Stamp on it, then yes, alternate timeline. But all we saw was that the dog was different, to represent the timeline being changed. For my money, what I think is happening is that when Cloud and co killed the Whispers, it retroactively made anyone who was fated to die (and influenced by them to die) retroactively no longer meet that fate. The world events still played out as we saw them in the game, but anyone who didn't return to the lifestream because of the Whispers forcing their death basically jumps forward to catch up with the events like a record skipping. Hence Biggs being alive, Jessie and Wedge possibly too, and Zach finding himself in Midgar post-plate drop but not even dwelling on why Cloud is suddenly no longer with him. What's gonna be interesting if this is the case, is that it might have an even worse meltdown on Cloud's part if he gets told by Sephiroth "You're a failed clone, all your memories are from someone else." And then that someone else *shows up in person* affirming it to be true even more than a photograph.

[@tomasgarcia7499]

Wait…I like this! And it makes sense too. I guess we’ll see.

[@juanvsreviews]

I think it’s a different parallel universe in which he’s alive. He has the sword so he never gave it to Cloud. Very interesting.

[@axelstone3131]

It’s unlikely there is only one buster sword in the world of final fantasy 7. Like the real world there are thousand of the same weapon.

[@jackjacques7495]

​@@axelstone3131 The buster sword IS a unique weapon. This is explained in Crisis Core. It was custom made for Angeal by his parents, who then gave it to Zack, who then gave it to Cloud. There aren't others like it in any stores. If Zack has it, that means Cloud can't. And viceversa. Which confirms that they're not on the same timeline/dimension. Max probably figured this out minutes after he ended the video.

[@JustKelso1993]

@@jackjacques7495 Could it have been a flashback instead?

[@jimmike8029]

The music for Nero's fight is fucking incredible, top 3 boss tracks next to Reno and Sephiroth

[@PilgrimMinistry]

I hope the Remake’s final battle is just Cissnei, Rosso the Crimson, and Old Snapper fighting Safer Genesis because why the heck not. 🙃

[@OrlinChris]

Henceforth it cameth that Rosso the Crimson, ashamed of the clap on her cheek she received from Batteling Old Snapper slowly and dramatically walks onto the slowly falling Platform so nobody could get credit for her death, laughing as it was her will. Cometh Filthy Genesis with your thousand Red Wings and creates a new Univerrse by reciting the Last Act of Loveless, embracing the Love and the Power of Friendship.

[@PilgrimMinistry]

@@OrlinChris ye verily

[@dreamsandhonour3319]

WHY CISSINEI!? she was soo good!? you mispelled? Safe Genesis LMAO

[@dreamsandhonour3319]

@@OrlinChris XDD

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I am at least expecting Safer Sephiroth to be the final boss of Part 2. That way the creators can go wild for the finale.

[@Mordra]

Sad that Nero doesn't have his nails done.

[@BryanakaDwish]

Dude WTF. HOW? I am losing my mind. God I freaking love this game.

[@xMarrilliamsx]

It just keeps getting better and better. I didn't really care for Yuffie at all but after playing Intermission, wow, she's a much better character with a lot more depth to her already.

[@PolarPhantom]

Maybe weird for me to point out, but I'm glad they showed they aren't afraid to get bloody which we saw with Sonon's death.

[@GladiatorRocks]

At this point, Max is gonna lose it with the Weiss simulator fight for sure. 🤣 Can't wait to see the boss rage montage of it.

[@berk6413]

Yea Weiss is fucking ridiculous, had to remember to make counterstance your best friend like the Sephiroth hard mode fight

[@xShane1122x]

@@berk6413 I’m playing back through the entire game to get used to the controls again but also because I just love the game lol. I’ve seen a small bit of the Weiss fight and wtf… How do you beat that mofo??? Hahaha

[@maximus3460]

This game looks so incredible in 60FPS.

[@DragonQueefs]

Sonons reanimated corpse is going to be a Yuffie Character development boss fight lol

[@Neoxon619]

Max might be on to something with his parallel timelines theory regarding Cloud & Zack’s stories, especially with the idea of them converging for Part 3.

[@tryinglyon]

I heard a better theory stating that the events of the original FF7 are shown to Aerith in a vision via the life stream/planet at the start of Remake. Sephiroth is also aware of the events becuase he was thrown into the life stream. The Whispers exist to prevent Aerith and Sephiroth from causing a change in these events, but since Cloud and friends defeat the Arbitrator of Fate, they are free to make their own futures, no longer shackled to the chains of destiny. The scenes we see of Zack actually occur prior to the events of the game. The poster of Nose that flies by Zack is a reimagined version the character. It's stated by Tifa and Barret that Nose was plagiarize by Shinra, so naturally a redesign of him isn't implausible. As for what we see at the end of Yuffie's story, it's still possible that it exists in the past, but we have no idea of knowing when this event occurs.

[@aceoffires1032]

@@tryinglyon his name is Stamp!

[@OrlinChris]

​@@tryinglyon but that is the common theory max has just with the extra of the timelines converging at some point. The Stamp Bag is not a red herring its too on the Nose for that. But yeah the Theorys are wildly discussed and i love it. I love the fact that the white flowers represent Death henceforth Aerith should be dead in Zacks new timeline

[@tryinglyon]

@@aceoffires1032 Sorry, I was too lazy to look it up. The first thing that came to mind was "In nose we trust".

[@aceoffires1032]

@@tryinglyon fair enough I suppose

[@gibbs615]

Maybe Sonon's not dead and Weiss just took his body to do something with it and perhaps they'll be an opportunity to save him somehow. Also YES that is an alternate timeline where Zack lived, thought you knew that already from the end of the full remake game though.

[@shayspott3]

Having not played this game ever b4 watching max play gives me so much joy. And it’s also great to see his excitement for when things that he knows what’s supposed to happen but it changes slightly so now we are both lost lol 😂 love to see it!!

[@AzureAzura]

Imagine coming home after an impossible fight only to find out your girl is dead. God dammit Nomura... doing my boy Zack dirty like that... Let's hope that's not the case... yeah?

[@OrlinChris]

i am in team lets hope its the case that makes the stakes for the Death of Main Timeline Aerth so much bigger, and maybe a motivation for Zack to find out what happend.

[@Iybraesil]

Nomura isn't the story writer

[@MrJollyNelson]

Im willing to bet the sadness they are experiencing in the church might be overflow from those lost in the plate collapse, rather than Aeris being dead. I think that the timelines are gonna get a little messy now.

[@kaioriuzamaki]

That was my first thought too is she was dead and they were there mourning her but now I’m more convinced it’s the sector 7 survivors and Zacks new voice actor just sucks 🙃

[@solomon9655]

@@MrJollyNelson the 1 thing that bothers me about that is everything about the direction. The music, the Dutch angle, Zack’s reaction. If Aerith just wasn’t there he’d say “oh she’s not home lol also what’s going on?” not stand there like he saw something he didn’t want to see.

[@justwantingtomakepeoplesmile]

So does that mean. Aerith still dies when zack returns. Oh no Zack.

[@KillingMoon_]

Dam spoilers for ppl who didn't play the old games

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Even worse, may be she dies before getting to the Ancient City. So her Holy Materia does not get used to save the planet from Meteor.

[@justwantingtomakepeoplesmile]

@@KillingMoon_ sry I didn’t mean too.

[@ultimamage3]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 FYM? Her canon death happens before the Northern Canyon.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

@@ultimamage3 Sorry, I meant the Ancient City. I edited it.

[@echoplanet2000]

Great Playthrough Max! It's always fun watching your reaction videos! And I agree, I have 10x more questions now than I had at the end of remake. But i'm loving every bit of it! Great video!

[@TankTV35]

And Max’s videos saves the week again

[@fearlesscheshirecat1411]

I had to come back here after seeing everything for Rebirth. I’m so beyond excited….. The ending of this, and everything for Rebirth just has this amazing feeling of fellowship I haven’t felt in decades!

[@KrimsonKracker]

I'm fairly certain the Zack is still in a "what if" scenario (explaining why 2 different Clouds passed each other at the end). In this world, Cloud never meets Aerith and she's successfully captured by Shinra, the plate falls and causes dramatically more devastation (all the people crying in the church)...

[@madnawi]

i think that Zack is from another timeline. He still has his buster sword.

[@ne0n1nja247]

Also Yuffie probably has some of the most balanced gameplay so far. She can damn near do damage to everything. Her and Tifa make Excellent DPS characters with Yuffie being able to deal with Aerial enemies better than her

[@jackjacques7495]

Her gameplay is based on the fact that this is a DLC where she's the only playable character though. They needed to make her this good because you have no other options. Once she joins the main party however, they'll either nerf her or buff the rest of the party.

[@ne0n1nja247]

@@jackjacques7495 I feel like she fits perfectly as is tho so far. She's still swishy. Doesnt have the same DPS potential as Tifa but can handle aerial enemies better than Tifa but not as well as Barret. The only thing that makes her slightly OP is her built in Elemental Ninjutsu and dodge. These make her beyond good. She fits a role which I dont feel needs to be Nerfed. The only nerd they could give her is making other characters handle air combat better but that's it.

[@BlackMoore82]

"Oh no, not cheese of the Dirge" haha

[@hishouha]

That ending made me she a tear not gonna lie, damn my heart Also I absolutely loved the fight with Nero, mostly because of the dark ambience and strangely "calm" music playing in the back with the piano. I have no idea what's happening, but I'm here for this anime villain and his creepy music

[@blitz0623]

Barret inside dark Midgar - glasses on. Barret outside under the sun - glasses off

[@floramerano6293]

There is only one timeline. The destruction of the whispers caused the past to change which in turn made Zack alive. The past has changed and that automatically changed the future. So yeah Zack lives in the same reality as Cloud and the others

[@iiJonezy]

I’m not crying… just… some sand in my eyes that’s all.

[@Galiaverse]

Here's a Hyper. Cures Sadness. Take one dose though; Two doses causes Fury.

[@iiJonezy]

@@Galiaverse Drinks It*

[@devinmacklin6746]

Happy Tuesday max much love my friend I'm proud of you for your success and being the best father to your baby Ripley with JJ and God will continue to bless you

[@GoldenMushroom64]

Same

[@TeaAndAPiano]

I don't think the dog bag is a red herring - after passing through the wall of whispers at the end of the main game, there's never any indication they pass back through it again - in other words, I think they're ALL in another timeline. None of the main cast have been shown next to a stamp graffiti yet have they?

[@Twocoolman115]

A lot of people I’ve talked to think the Zack scene takes place in the alternate timeline, noting that the flowers look different then when you’re there as Cloud (I’d have to check to confirm that.) and that something bad happened to Aerith in the alternate timeline. Either way, I’m intrigued as to where this will go.

[@axelstone3131]

I don’t know why people think this or even come up with these sort of theories but the flowers are the same, I just watched it again, but to me all I got from it was that he’s alive and well, and this was after the plate fell hence why people were in the church recovering. By this point Cloud and company had already left Midgar I assume. I could be wrong but I think people have a tendency to make more out of things than what’s already there or being presented.

[@granddaddyotaku636]

​@@axelstone3131 even if the flowers are the same which i'll agree with, one thing that is definitely odd is that Zack seems to be carrying the Buster Sword. there are only a couple logical explanations for why Cloud and Zack both seem to have the Buster Sword... Zack is in another timeline, Zack has somehow entered the timeline that Cloud and the gang are in. Or... its the past. Obviously, regardless Zack is somehow alive. But it is a little strange that he's carrying the Buster Sword from what it looks like.

[@Fade2BlackSS]

@@granddaddyotaku636 Or maybe this game is complete Reboot and the events from the OG didn't happen at all or the way we think they will. I wouldn't be surprised at this point. 😒🙄

[@OrlinChris]

@Nobody i think this is correct

[@gmaster2647]

The flowers aren't "different" but they're wilted. Considering Aerith's connection to the church and Gaia, the flowers being wilted is a big sign that something is wrong.

[@zachm2331]

@38:12 on to the end was just comedy gold from Max.🤣 Loved it!

[@wavemaster4891]

Max forgot the biggest question. Zack was with Cloud in the moments of the he was supposed to die yet lived. So.....where is Cloud in this scene?

[@GoldenMushroom64]

What the heck this is mind warping... Where is Cloud?? If this is a bunch of people crying because they lost their houses from the plate collapse then how could Cloud be with Zack AND the party at the same time??? JDOQPSJCJAKKAK

[@axelstone3131]

@@GoldenMushroom64 he’s already left Midgar with the crew. Why are people confused? You are overthinking it all

[@jackjacques7495]

​@@axelstone3131 People are confused precisely because they know the story, what each of these things mean, and how they contradict each other. If you're not confused about it, its because you don't know the story of FF7 and/or the compilation. If Zack survived in the same timeline the others are currently in, there is absolutely NO way for the events of part 1 to have happened the way they happened.

[@Enwickote]

@@axelstone3131 like Jack said, if you're not confused and overthinking you know nothing nor care about FF7

[@Sharks4Cup408]

Here's something not a lot of people are talking about with the ending cutscene with the crew that I noticed: it's showing off multiple different weather effects. Heat, Wind, Rain, and Thunder/Lightning. I think those will have an effect on overworld battles. Much like how weather affects magic damage and resistances in Final Fantasy XI.

[@kuksongpark6568]

love your content max!!! keep it up

[@xShane1122x]

Such a great DLC. Surprising length and quality. Made me infinitely more excited for part 2

[@pufferfish5980]

i had the exact same reaction as u when i saw zack

[@anewchallenger2825]

I have been waiting for Max's reaction for like a week now and I am not disappointed. 😂 I can't wait for part 2. Looking forward to the Golden Saucer Dates, Barrett's Past Drama, Gongaga, Nibleheim, and Getting Yuffie and Vincent as soon as possible.

[@Amocoru]

I'm buying a ticket to get in line for the hour long rant about story possibilities. It's how I found you in the first place. I need more. GIVE ME MORE.

[@tony_cgivfx]

I'd love to see someone talk about the angel that appears at the end of Crisis Core just before the outro song hits! Did that really symbolize death, or has Square been planning this since that scene? Were those feathers a phoenix down or some kind of healing materia? Who has wings that would have picked Zack up? Seemed like Angeal died, but did he pick Zack up while he was dying? Was it Genesis? Was it Sephiroth (and why)?

[@christianrosado8838]

That was Angeal taking Zack into the lifestream.

[@tony_cgivfx]

@@christianrosado8838 I assumed that, but Intermission ending makes me wonder. Also guessing that it had to be Lazard-Angeal since the glove looks lighter colored than Zack's.

[@alistairestamo1633]

I love how this DLC is also a playtest on how the developers of FF7R will create the many different environments that will implement for Part 2. We need to be patient with them in order to have a enjoyable atmosphere for us players to enjoy it.

[@xMarrilliamsx]

Yeah, I don't mind them taking their time with part 2 knowing that this is gonna be a huuuge expansion to part 01 and they'll be able to reuse most assets for part 3. The more time they take with it the more insane it's going to be, especially if they switch over to UE5 to use nanite, allowing them to go crazy with static, highly detailed assets.

[@MariusBoss11458]

Speaking of Playtests. Crisis Core Reunion is going to be exactly that for the Flashbacks in Rebirth.

[@Convicted_Melon]

I think Zack is still in an alternate timeline. If you notice the church is a different color, sector 7 is still intact and there's still the stamp thing. I think for something to deviate from the established timeline there has to be some kind of exchange. There was a magical white explosion surrounding midgar in Zack's timeline at the end of Remake. I have reason to believe that, since Zack survived, that somehow caused Aerith to die and that explosion was her casting holy. This would also explain why so many people are in the church crying and leaving flowers in the middle of the room.

[@yeettm8014]

I feel like the alternate zack timeline has to eventually collide with the ff7 remake timeline at some point. Zack being alive as a “what if” scenario because of the whispers seems to little for what it entails.

[@GT.Bugger]

I finally got to watch these as I was able to play and finish intermission yesterday. And damn it was amazing. And the end was even more amazing...amazing.

[@gamblerfls]

He visited Aerith right after the moment she died in the original timeline. This remake is Hironobu Sakaguchi's Multiverse of Madness.

[@OtakuD50]

So her corpse for swept away across continents and somehow landed back in the church?

[@gamblerfls]

@@OtakuD50 She may have died in the possible 3rd timeline where this Zack is, else why the children would be crying? I said original timeline because she probably died in that same moment but in a different space.

[@OtakuD50]

@@gamblerfls imagine if we get a supercut of how every alternate Aerith dies.

[@ethanvanatta1729]

@@gamblerfls I think the the people in the church are the survivors of sector 7 just finding shelter.

[@gamblerfls]

@@ethanvanatta1729 Yes, it can be anything. That was just my theory, which is: Timeline 1: Aerith dead, Zack dead Timeline 2 :Aerith alive, Zack dead Timeline 3: Aerith dead, Zack alive This timeline 3 is interesting, because it can mean Cloud never got Zack's memories, and Cloud might even be dead instead of Zack.

[@Shirkules]

Seems like the people in the church were mourning Aeriths death? A timeline where Zack lives and Aerith dies perhaps?

[@maciejpolak2458]

Nah im pretty sure it was just a group of survivors from sector 7 crying because they lost their houses

[@rileyboy10]

That was my first thought too, I think they're actually seperate timelines, one where Zack lives but Aerith dies, and the other being the main timeline. I think that is why Aerith decided to mess and change things, to save Zack so they could be together, perhaps not realising the timeline she saved him in is one where she doesn't exist. And we'll get a side story with Zack at some point in that world. Hopefully...

[@Rober_2403]

@@maciejpolak2458 That event has yet to happen from what it seems, Zack was hours away from Midgar, and in a point of timeline before the first reactor went boom.

[@christianrosado8838]

@@Rober_2403 Zack could literally see Midgar from his final battle spot. That wasnt hours away.

[@Rober_2403]

@@christianrosado8838 That's a long walk, doesn't seem to be short by any means, even less so carrying your friend.

[@chadtheall682]

You know what I really like about Maximilian... he's a typical guy who makes jokes and crude jokes and stuff, but he doesn't make the game a joke, he respects the game and incredible story and longevity of it. Not a lot of gamers like him do this, a lot of them make the entire game a laughing joke or make fun of it under the guise of "I'm being funny, this is my type of humor when I make videos" without realizing they're disrespecting the game, but Max doesn't do that, he knows how to separate joking from respecting the game and the story, I love that

[@kclink1579]

Well this proves that they will do stuff with Zack, this was obvious but some odd people who cant think thought the Zack scene meant nothing somehow.