I’d love to see you test 3” T shot. That used to be my go to for geese before I started using bismuth.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
They are illegal in my state, I don't think I've ever seen them in a store. So, I probably wouldn't test something that isn't more widely usable. But its a good question.
@TheWildbuckoutfitter10 ай бұрын
I second his request
@TheNewHuntersGuide10 ай бұрын
Petition the game commission, if they change the law, I'll start testing the ammo lol. @@TheWildbuckoutfitter
@brodycampbell299011 ай бұрын
This guy is top notch! No bias what so ever! Honest as it gets
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@Macdaddy2271311 ай бұрын
My absolute favorite king of videos you do. Love it thanks George!
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@veteranironoutdoors832011 ай бұрын
After I switched to bismuth I started using my leftover steel shells for swatting. When it came time to use up the BB shot, i’d always end up dumping a magazine at a downed bird to hit it once, range didnt seem to matter.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Yea, that seems to be the case. Birds on the water are much smaller targets. And then when you do it, the damage can be too much.
@AWZ12877 ай бұрын
Just found your channel, your videos are excellent and really helpful.
@TheNewHuntersGuide7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Glad to help!
@bobbyscott802411 ай бұрын
Good job and very thorough! It should be laid to rest once and for all! Thanks George!
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@stevenlord78211 ай бұрын
Ive done alot of pattern testing much like yourself george, I found steel is effective to a distance where a vast majority of shooters are not.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
That is a great way to say it!
@bent543411 ай бұрын
Now we need number 2 shot tests. Happy holidays George, hope you enjoy your days off.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much Ben! I have some #3 and some #2/4 on the docket for after turkey season. Might get to more #2s after.
@danielsullivan986511 ай бұрын
1 1/8 once 1550 Fast Steel BBs will smoke geese at 70 yards with an (improved modified choke .025 ).741 barrel. Nice video. Hope you do 3 1/2 inch BBBs and Ts next . (85 yds) thanks
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thanks! What data are going off to say less shot with more velocity will perform so well?
@danielsullivan986511 ай бұрын
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Less shot equals less pressure and more velocity. less pressure means a better pattern. More velocity means better penetration.
@danielsullivan986511 ай бұрын
@@TheNewHuntersGuide more velocity equals more force or energy in foot pounds at long range. I. 1 1/8 3 inch shells pattern better than 1 1/4 ounce 3 inch shells at equal velocity because they have less pressure. 1 3/8 once 3 1/2 inch shells powder and very well at 1550 because the pressure is not excessive on the long case.
@danielsullivan986511 ай бұрын
Powder and not powder
@dennisvandergriff775711 ай бұрын
George, thanks again for breaking barriers to get the data. Nice job. Keep up the super job. Have a good Christmas and New Year!
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, Merry Christmas to you too!
@outdoorswithroostercurrie69844 ай бұрын
Another awesome video.
@TheNewHuntersGuide4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ge69318 ай бұрын
Great and analytical video as always!! 👌👍
@TheNewHuntersGuide8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jeffbarris817210 ай бұрын
Great video George, density is everything imo, God bless you and go get them in the marsh
@TheNewHuntersGuide10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Jeff!
@sparkysoutdoors624010 ай бұрын
Interesting video as always, I have a request…since this is a new hunters guide! Make a video on shooting in your lane! This has been a very frustrating year; and it would be great to have a video explaining the benefits as well as the common curtesy to “share” with them
@TheNewHuntersGuide10 ай бұрын
That is a tough subject to do a dedicated video on. It would have to be paired with some other items. Any ideas?
@sparkysoutdoors624010 ай бұрын
my best concept so far is to make an analogy to football using a whiteboard x and o type concept . I’m not talented enough to do anything too fancy like cartoons etc . This isn’t a topic that people want to be educated about so it has to be entertaining and beneficial to know, something you’re good at. If you’d like to talk more about it let me know how to get ahold of you. Good luck 👍
@toddbunnett64010 ай бұрын
Shooting your lane. That is a concept lost in today’s KZbin waterfowl culture. “Rainouts” vs safety.
@johntandy891811 ай бұрын
For my favorite competitive sport of drone shooting (which I may have made up) steel BB gets my vote, maybe you could test depleted uranium next ? Love your content George ❤️
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! People will have to do something with all the left-over BB shot they'll have after switching to something better lol.
@BrokenBarBox11 ай бұрын
As usual, a great test and presentation. Have you ever thought about recording the temperature with your test?
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! No, hadn't thought about that one before. The issue is the outside temp and block temp are not going to be the same. Middle of the block may be different than the outside too.
@mikeolson149711 ай бұрын
Do you test custom ammunition as well? I do tested recipes for myself and have been playing around with steel BB / tss 7 combos and also, straight #6 tss. Curious how it would do in the ballistics gel.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
No, not really, unless it is to prove a larger point that is bigger than the test. I don't like to invest in doing a test where people can't readily obtain what was tested. But thanks for asking!
@waheedkhan733711 ай бұрын
Good work
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ballisticlt745211 ай бұрын
I’d love to see you do a video on pattern testing. Perhaps some realistic expectations and some patterns that you’d consider unacceptable vs acceptable patterns. I realize everyone is different but it might give new hunters a better idea of what to look for. I personally would like to see it on some steel shot in sizes 2,3 or 4
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thanks, so like a video on how to do pattern testing?
@ballisticlt745211 ай бұрын
@@TheNewHuntersGuide maybe a brief recap on that but more so what you’re looking for in terms of pattern distribution/density.
@nebraskaman824711 ай бұрын
Those particular shells worked so much better for me than the boss shells. It was hands down a major improvement. So much so I got about $500 worth of boss shells just sitting around now, and bought a ton of the Kent.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Which Boss load are you comparing them too?
@nebraskaman824711 ай бұрын
I was using boss 3/5 shot, and 2 Kent. Even though they say with the bismuth you can us a larger shot, the performance was very sub par. Was using multiple shells on game, and still they wouldn’t go down permanently. Where we hunted there was a very high volume of waterfowl, so I got to see the performance on target very quickly. I’m not sure if the shot was breaking up on impact like bismuth can do or not. Those kent shells are legit tho, and I highly recommend them.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
I don't work for BOSS but I can tell you that #3/5 bismuth hits more like Steel #2. BB shot is going to hit much harder. Kent #2 or any bismuth #2 is going to perform more like BB shot. The 3/5 or #4s aren't magic, they are what they are. But if you want 5.5" of penetration at 40 yards, you need to size up your bismuth. @@nebraskaman8247
@nebraskaman824711 ай бұрын
For sure
@turkeyhunter761711 ай бұрын
Great info! 👍🦆
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@taylorharbin39485 ай бұрын
I wonder if this is why the box I have lists “10/30” for the effective range for squirrel hunting?
@TheNewHuntersGuide5 ай бұрын
I've not seen that before.
@JohnJones-ow1oe11 ай бұрын
You should mark the pellet holes with a marker so we can see the voids and spread and also mark 30 inch circle
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
That's feasible with BB shot, but TSS it would double the time it takes to do it. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks.
@cliffhalljr34265 ай бұрын
Can you do a max range test on Kent fast steel #4?
@TheNewHuntersGuide5 ай бұрын
Steel 4s max out at about 40-45 yards. Pattern aside, their ballistic energy isn't enough to do much past that for birds larger than teal.
@Macdaddy2271311 ай бұрын
Looking like dead geese at 70 yards too!
@nasserkuzbari22057 ай бұрын
Great video as usual. What will you use for BB and or No 2 steel 1 1/8 oz or 1 1/4 oz?
@TheNewHuntersGuide7 ай бұрын
Ideally #2 steel at 1 1/4 oz. I'd prefer 1 3/8oz at lower velocity if I can find it.
@nasserkuzbari22057 ай бұрын
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Thank you. I'm planning to use only No. 2 from now on for everything except small duck (No. 4) Tired of switching between BB and 2. I found some No1 but not sure about it. What do you think?
@TheNewHuntersGuide7 ай бұрын
@@nasserkuzbari2205 For me, nothing smaller than #2 has enough pellets in it to provide sufficient pattern density. If I needed more powerful for something, I'd switch to bismuth. Bismuth #2 has more power than steel BB. And Bismuth #3 is going to be similar to steel #1 or BB but with alot more pellets.
@nasserkuzbari22057 ай бұрын
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Thanks again, I use Long Range Carlson's cremator Choke Tubes but I'm missing a few birds. I was told to switch to Mid-Mange. What do you think? Before that, I always used Mod for everything.
@TheNewHuntersGuide7 ай бұрын
@@nasserkuzbari2205 I plan to test those some this coming season actually.
@stephenparchewski199811 ай бұрын
Great video. This year, by fluke, I shot a duck at 60 yards using 3.5” “T” shot. If you step out 60 yards…that is FAR. In all honesty, I wouldn’t suggest shooting at anything past 40 yards. If you cut open a steel shotshell, just lift the pellets in your hand. They feel like little ping pong balls. I don’t know what steel alloy they use, but it is the lightest steel I’ve lifted (kinda feels like aluminum it’s so light). It’s too bad that plain steel is the only shot that’s affordable for most hunters.
@waheedkhan733711 ай бұрын
What is the length of the barrel?
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
I agree, limiting shots to closer range is best for the hunter and the birds. T shot doesn't have many pellets in the shell to give alot of margin on the pattern. I would probably use #3 or #2 for longer range steel applications. Better to plan for a sure pattern than a lucky large pellet hit.
@stephenparchewski199811 ай бұрын
The barrel length is 28 inches (Remington 870 Supermag). I’m using a Patternmaster Code Black goose choke.
@joshuaeck271211 ай бұрын
What about #1 shot vs #BB shot?
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
#1 is slightly better. #2 is about the biggest Steel I would use.
@Nickrioblanco111 ай бұрын
The 60 yd pattern is proof that in order to get an accurate idea of the pattern performance you must make multiple shots ( 3 to 5 minimum preferably 10) just like you do when you're zeroing a rifle. There is too much variably in firearm ammunition to trust one shot.
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
Yup, it's good advice.
@KMennen11 ай бұрын
Manufacture shot shell inconsistency 1 out of four. I pattern test a lot and i find this about average. I do not shoot an average of 3 to 5 shots at the same bird. I have found that kent shells have the most shot to shot variation. Some times you will find a whole lot# that is bad. I had two boxes of hevi-xii labled as #6 that patterned bad. A disection revealed the shells in that lot # were actually # 4 shot. Hevi-shot refunded my purchase. I tested some Federal 20 gauge lead turkey loads with the new flight control wad and all the shot did not leave the wad. I test 3 shells from 3 different lot numbers that did the same. I contacted Federal about the issue and Federal ignored me. So, if you ever wonder how could i have missed that shot, it could be shot shell variance.
@waheedkhan733711 ай бұрын
Slug cartridges can be used on turkey shotguns
@TheNewHuntersGuide11 ай бұрын
In what state?
@timg762710 ай бұрын
Are you saying some states allow turkeys to be hunted with slugs??