“Im not gonna unplug the refrigerator” that gave me a good laugh
@theshotgunscientists2 ай бұрын
Thanks man
@Nobody031195 ай бұрын
I just bought another 12 gauge and found your channel, which I am enjoying and subscribing, you are motivating me to start loading my own shotgun loads.
@theshotgunscientists5 ай бұрын
Thanks man. It’s a lot of fun.
@okshotgun11 ай бұрын
I've seen factory loads that had a bigger pinhole than that. That looks like a winner!
@theshotgunscientists11 ай бұрын
For sure
@mullwagon5615Ай бұрын
Please range test these! Watched several of your vids. Very entertaining overall. Keep up the good work.
@theshotgunscientistsАй бұрын
Thanks man
@Duckslayer1096 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all of the great reloading information.
@user-qp3eb4pm1zfatcatreloading Жыл бұрын
For duck loads I started making over shot cards out of Mylar wrap material or projector sheets with a 3/4 whole punch from hobby lobby. Then I seal the crimp with fingernail polish. I’m just sharing some ideas I’ve tried. Guys. 👍
@jamescheslic2686 Жыл бұрын
Great common man understandable video. I hand load some of these and for decoying mallards they work great.
@crankygunreviews Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna try some of these soon.. bought a bunch of steel shot wads from precision reloading, and I want to know what I can load in case of SHTF or TEOTWAWKI etc lol
@BrockLowell Жыл бұрын
Another solid video and great info and sealing the primer and crimp is a most for waterfowl. I ran a few hundreds of those hulls this last waterfowl season. They look great but rust super fast plus are ultra acceptable to moisture problems fast. If your loading and shooting them all the next hunting day their fine but if they get wet and they will rust in a less then a week. They crimp nice on a lee press but you need at least 1/8” cork to keep the crimp with a solid feel with smaller shot if not the crimp will always push in because the plastic is thin. I would look for a better hull unless your throwing them away each hunt and not storing them. If anyone has tips to fix the rusting problem please help me out because I bought a ton of these gems!
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Any steel based hull will rust but I keep mine in my pockets, in a 5 round shell holder on the stock, or in a shell belt. Keeps the weather off them when hunting in the woods. If we’re shooting at the range I keep them in the box and unless we’re rapid firing or shooting semi autoI normally don’t let me hulls touch the ground.
@BrockLowell Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, during waterfowl hunting they will be ejecting from my semi auto in the water or boat or wet field normally. I use 25 round plastic slotted boxes that keep all water off them until you open it and it’s raining or a million other ways they can get wet waterfowl hunting. I do have sweet 20 round holder that’s like the one on your stock but was made to hang off waiter and it never dried out all season lol. No there nothing you can do to keep them dry. The funny think is the hulls from major waterfowl companies that all my buddies shoot would lay around the boat for months unless I picked them up and they didn’t rust! Just the cheap hulls did never seen a shot shell do that before. Btw in the type waterfowl hunting I do you in the water putting decoy out or picking them up there just is no way to stay dry. If I find a hull that can be bought cheap that don’t rush in waterfowl conditions I’ll let you know. If anyone has a brand of hulls that doesn’t rush please let me know!
@johnanderson186 Жыл бұрын
If you’re dealing with salty water then wash all your hulls in fresh clean water when hunt is over. Saltwater is terribly corrosive to steel. Also don’t store your wet hulls in a bucket or a plastic type bin, use a cardboard box. The cardboard will let the hulls dry better. The plastic won’t let em air out. You can also hit the hulls with WD40 or silicone lubricant before throwing in a cardboard box, won’t hurt the hull at all. The main key is getting salt off the hulls and getting them dry. Rust needs moisture and oxygen to proliferate and salt is a MAJOR catalyst for it.
@jesusmartinez-ze5ec2 ай бұрын
This is my favorite video, it’s the first video that introduced me to your channel and inspired me to load my own shells. Could you reload some in 3 inch I would like to see how it’s put together, Thank you.
@theshotgunscientists2 ай бұрын
We’ve done a few 3”
@jeffw1246 Жыл бұрын
I've been using that load in unslit wads. 25gr Longshot and 1/4in felt 20ga in bottom of cup. But those bb's overtopped the wad at 1oz, dropped a few out to be sure all bb's stayed in wad. Came out to 7/8oz. Just for fun at the range.
@user-lp9pz2qn6b Жыл бұрын
another great vid as usual friend...Thanks...doug
@brucefrohn9834 Жыл бұрын
I reload a similar 2 3/4" 12ga shell w/19 gr Red Dot GT1260 wad, 7/8oz #6 steel & 20ga overshot card. These work great for shooting clays, but I'm having a hard time finding these wads & Red Dot powder. I'll have to try the Longshot & TPS wads. Thank you for the tip.
@mullwagon56153 ай бұрын
Great shit bro. Really enjoy your vids. Please do 2.5" 410 bb loads and then put them on paper with the 500E
@theshotgunscientists3 ай бұрын
Steel bb’s are not a good idea in a .410
@mullwagon56153 ай бұрын
How about 4 buck mixed with 4 shot (lead)? That would be a nasty home defense/protection round.
@mullwagon56153 ай бұрын
Is it the fixed full choke that makes it dangerous? Would cylinder bore be ok?
@theshotgunscientists2 ай бұрын
Steel shot in a full choke isn’t a good idea. Buckshot and rifled/foster slugs are fine though. Steel BB’s are too big for .410 and won’t stack in a wad by 2’s. You’d end up with very few pellets given that the wad that needs to be used as very thick non tox wads.
@mullwagon56152 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists thank you for taking the time to teply. You may have saved my 410. Your channel is excellent. I have reloaded lots of rifle and pistol rounds but never messed with shotgun rounds. You make it look easy and teach good habits (double checking weight). Keep up the good work.
@clks11656 ай бұрын
There is a load that you may want to try. It uses cheddite hull/primers, 27 grain of HS-6, ranger elite wads, 1 1/8 oz 492 gr of steel shot going at 1200 fps at 10,800 psi you could Buffet up to 27.5 gr maybe 28 gr of powder to get 50 plus fps at still a safe psi. You can also use 3" hulls with a gas seal to get more fps.
@kylekimmie36437 ай бұрын
Thanks for this great video man would this load work with challenger blue hulls with cheddite 209 primer or cci 209 primer
@theshotgunscientists7 ай бұрын
Yes
@AKSaber907 Жыл бұрын
I think I'm going to make some of these since I can't find lead shot anywhere.
@ravener967 ай бұрын
to be honest, for hunting i dont see any reason not to use steel shot anyway. we're not shooting more than two or three rounds anyway, so we can fill a 3 1/2 inch shell with as much shot as we want if we want to keep the shot mass up. use a bit larger shot than you would with lead and each individual pellet can carry the same kind of energy. i dont really dig the idea of spreading all this lead into the soil. eventually it'll catch up to us.
@ravener967 ай бұрын
to be honest, for hunting i dont see any reason not to use steel shot anyway. we're not shooting more than two or three rounds anyway, so we can fill a 3 1/2 inch shell with as much shot as we want if we want to keep the shot mass up. use a bit larger shot than you would with lead and each individual pellet can carry the same kind of energy. i dont really dig the idea of spreading all this lead into the soil. eventually it'll catch up to us.
@AKSaber9077 ай бұрын
@@ravener96 They made it mandatory to use steel shot for waterfoul hunting in the 1990's because they where worried about the birds eating the shot and getting lead poisoning. Honestly, the environmental impact of the lead shot is probably worse than the birds eating it but the plastic wads worry me too. I plan on loading up some shells with bismuth shot with fiber wads since bismuth won't scratch the barrel like steel would and the fiber wads will biodegrade quickly.
@ravener967 ай бұрын
@@AKSaber907 many countries are going towards madatory lead free for all hunting. for target shooting i dont see that much issue with lead since it can mostly be recovered, but i'm really not that against a general reduction of lead use.
@DanielA-ih2vl Жыл бұрын
A little bit of gun oil on the spring knocked out that squeaky spring on mine. I just rubbed it all up and down and it's pretty much silent
@darrinburks912 Жыл бұрын
I have a ton of 2 3/4” federal field and target hulls can I use this same load data for them? Love your videos man lots of good information.
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Yeah you can
@darrinburks912 Жыл бұрын
Ok thanks
@Wigeon3211 Жыл бұрын
Definitely going to cook some of these up! Could you do a 12ga 3” 1 1/4 and 1 3/8 ounce load. These are what I use the most duck hunting in FL. The velocity can go as low as 1300 fps. From my experience on ducks, BB size shot does fine when not propelled at lightning velocity at normal ranges for ducks and hits hard. Thanks for what you are doing!
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Thanks man. I’ve already got a 3” version filmed it’ll be out in a day or so.
@saltcreekammo2 жыл бұрын
Very nice... I'll do a video soon of a bomb ass 2-3/4" steel load.
@theshotgunscientists2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait man.
@vdog47992 жыл бұрын
you made a comment on mossberg marks that I would like to know a bit more about as I have a mossberg 500. is that something that will affect a reload quality or safety issue? I do have a mark on my 3in federal hull. not bad,just a dent. what do I keep an eye out for safety wise?
@dirtdarte2 жыл бұрын
I've shot a bunch of these using #4-#2 steel for waterfowl. Over decoys... it's murder.... a very inexpensive steel shot load. Instead of the fiber cushion wad... I use 20gauge felt in the shot cup.. faster to load and no guesswork... but the fiber cushion is cheaper. If you have it or can find it... using Steel powder you can drive these loads upward of 1500fps with less pressure than the Longshot... but finding a supply of Steel powder isn't easy.
@theshotgunscientists2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got so much fiber cushion I’m using it for everything right now. I think the felt is better at providing cushion, but right now it would be impractical to buy it.
@dirtdarte2 жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists I hear ya... I've got a bunch of fiber too... maybe I should use it up this year and save the felt for other loads. Thanks for making these videos. It's good to see what others are doing.
@thastinger345 Жыл бұрын
Yeah...fuk that. I haven't seen AS powder in 2.5 years. You can buy the BAM BBB shot and use longshot and get the same velocities as steel if you use the MG42 wad
@ArpOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Good video.
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@thecainer6411 ай бұрын
I've been watching a pile of your videos since I came across this channel. Do you have any videos on long range birdshot handloads? I'm looking for something in 12 gauge for long shots on partridge in the North Maine woods. We frequently get chances to take shots at longer ranges than factory loads seem to handle. I run a full choke 12 gauge 2-3/4 any help is appreciated
@theshotgunscientists11 ай бұрын
You’d need a choke of about .670 to .640 to reach out to 50 yards and a high velocity load of probably 6 shot. Basically a target load with a turkey choke and larger shot. Sounds like a fun loading video.
@thecainer6411 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists thank you, I found #6 was the right size last year. I was using AA hulls and I think AA12 wads with green dot I will verify the charge. That's all I had on hand to work with for wads. I was wondering about ordering something like a TPS wad and slitting them 3/4. Thank you again
@Medmann484 ай бұрын
You can just get the Multi-Metal wads & those are pre-slit.
@theshotgunscientists4 ай бұрын
I like slitting my own with shallower cuts. Patterns are usually better.
@jamespollard1670 Жыл бұрын
A coating of wheel bearing grease on that spring makes the press much quieter .
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
I’m not really that worried about it honestly I was just letting people know what’s available if it bothers them
@jamespollard1670 Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists Just saying , a bit of grease on the spring cuts the squeaking noise in half or better on mine .
@lukedog7028 Жыл бұрын
I like roll crimping better but enjoy watching any kind of re loading
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@curtiseggemeyer56818 ай бұрын
Good Job could an overshot wad hurt anything or do you think it would not mess up the pattern , just saying like if you used a roll crimp instead. I know you guys test and test quite a bit of different configurations.
@theshotgunscientists8 ай бұрын
You can roll crimp any fold crimp data.
@obbyjep75972 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on sealing primers? Does a guy drop some nail polish around it after or smeer some on before installing or is it necessary? Thanks again for your vids
@theshotgunscientists2 жыл бұрын
Cheddite primers are sealed already, ballistic products does however sell primer sealant if you want to use it. Can’t hurt. Nail polish may work fine.
@barricksspecial Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists nail polish on some of my testing of using it on primers made them rust super fast.. I broke them down and saved the shot. This was on old remington factory hulls tho. Jmo
@lumberr-jackk6 ай бұрын
👍great as Clip always
@theshotgunscientists6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@nickhernandez392 Жыл бұрын
Could you make a 3” load video?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Yes
@clks11653 ай бұрын
Don't you need 27 gr for that loads on the tps data for 1 oz load it 27 and 23 for 1 1/8oz?
@theshotgunscientists3 ай бұрын
The data I used called for 23 grains
@MbalmR97TX2 жыл бұрын
1. Do you think using 1/2 Waxed Hard Card wad 20ga would make a difference? 2. Do you think using a Multi Metal wad instead of a TPS would make a difference?
@theshotgunscientists2 жыл бұрын
A multi metal may only hold 9/10 of an ounce because they’re a bit thicker. You can use a waxed hard card in place of the fiber cushion. I love the multi metal wads.
@rickrice51973 ай бұрын
Jealous of all the hair bro
@theshotgunscientists3 ай бұрын
Thanks lol
@richyrich0257 Жыл бұрын
So today I tried my first steel shot reloads. Like in the video. I used once fired Federal hull Ched 209 primer 23gn of long shot TPS wad (2-3/4) 1 oz of copperhead bbs Roll crimp over bingo card I started with 20 then up to 23gn. The last shot of 5, 23gn just popped. Barley spit it out. No barrel obstruction but lots of unburnt powder. It was raining and 10*C / 50*F out. My guess is bad primer/not hot enough. What do you think?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have been a bad primer or bad seal over the powder.
@jwopd Жыл бұрын
Do you have data for the 3” version with 1 1/4 oz steel .177 BB shot?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
I’ll post a video on it
@jwopd Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists looking forward to it!
@bryantb33914 ай бұрын
I tried getting the lee load all to drop the bbs but they just get hung up in the spout and seen a vid that longshot will work its way out of the bushing slide deal geuss ill have to weigh it out manually
@theshotgunscientists4 ай бұрын
That’s what I do. Get a lee perfect powder measure that’s what I’m using now.
@bryantb33914 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists just wish it would work. If I had a less dense powder and smaller shot it would work fine. I think I'm going to try sanding it out.
@aronkovacs13862 ай бұрын
Is it the same primer that comes pre primed in those fiocchi wads?
@theshotgunscientists2 ай бұрын
Yes
@aronkovacs13862 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists so it’s the Fiocchi 209s. Thanks, I have a pound of longshot and they don’t have any steel shot recipes on their website. Thanks a lot!
@roybaker15713 ай бұрын
I have the same Crosman BBs, but I have Winchester 572 powder & Claybuster WT12 wads. Will that work or do I need to change powder and or wads?
@theshotgunscientists3 ай бұрын
That wad will definitely not work. It has to be a wad specifically for steel shot or tss.
@roybaker15713 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists what wad do you recommend for 1-14 oz shots with the 572 powder? Will the WAA12 work?
@roybaker15713 ай бұрын
1-1/4
@gorillamotors9 ай бұрын
Do you feel that Longshot is a good all around powder for Buckshot, steel, and lead shot? I can readily find longshot but really none of the others.
@theshotgunscientists9 ай бұрын
It’s fine for 10 gauge down to 32 gauge, but only good with steel for 12 and 10 gauge.
@nyfraud4 ай бұрын
Question Does it have to be tps wads or could I use say one shot
@theshotgunscientists4 ай бұрын
You can use any size you want as long as it all fits in the wad but I’d just stick to the tps
@shallowgrave111075 Жыл бұрын
What are the chances you guys do any bismuth waterfowl loads, or bismuth/ steel duplex loads?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
As time goes on we will be doing non tox stuff too but for now we can’t really afford it.
@Racumin0911 ай бұрын
Wath happened if I use 31 grn long shot? Thant can make any damage on my Remington 870? Because I have some charges with that weight, but I don’t shoot yet. (That was, because I forgot change the powder busing)
@theshotgunscientists11 ай бұрын
I would definitely take those apart
@ferrari_guy3570 Жыл бұрын
Why do you have to seal up the hole on the shell he crimped?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
It’s to prevent moisture from getting in, or if you’re using buffer it keeps buffer from leaking out too.
@mattkissmyasstyrants86762 жыл бұрын
My Lee load all's sound the exact same way. I even tried lubeing the spring and follower on one of em.. didn't help. I Could barely hear your fridge running.
@theshotgunscientists2 жыл бұрын
It’s louder in person than in videos lol
@mattkissmyasstyrants86762 жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists if it stops making the noise you'll probably have a problem. Lol
@kyletownsend1064 Жыл бұрын
Do you have to use that specific hull? I have a ton of AA hulls! Would they work?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Any straight wall hull would work. AA hulls are tapered hulls, smaller internal capacity, the wad wouldn’t fit.
@nyfraud4 ай бұрын
Unshived or shived Fiocchi shells
@theshotgunscientists4 ай бұрын
Skivved, unskivved are meant for roll crimping and are hard to fold.
@brucecoleman150910 ай бұрын
I guess the pressure would be about the same if I roll crimped that load?
@theshotgunscientists10 ай бұрын
It would be less
@brucecoleman150910 ай бұрын
@theshotgunscientists I've shot them both ways but don't have chronograph. What brand is the one you and Josh have?
@theshotgunscientists10 ай бұрын
@@brucecoleman1509 caldwell
@barricksspecial Жыл бұрын
Any experience with the BP.. "Ranger Elite" wads by chance?? I'm 50/50 if they were rated for steel shot...? I know they are discontinued but I got them years ago from an uncle wade video, but never got around to messing with them..
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
I think those are available right now actually. Roger adkins on here has done a lot with them. They are advertised for 1 1/8 ounces of steel and 2 ounces of lead.
@barricksspecial Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists ahhh sweet man...thanks for replying..we just moved two months ago and all of my stuff is everywhere for now ;(
@Sneakyjoe69 Жыл бұрын
So you don’t here the spring noise
@Duckslayer1096 Жыл бұрын
What size “thickness” nitro card or felt wad are you using.
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
1/8” to 1/4” depending on shot type, I’d go with felt or fiber.
@Selzman1010 ай бұрын
Would buffer be beneficial for this load?
@theshotgunscientists10 ай бұрын
I’ve never seen any of our steel loads have any effect with buffer.
I just got some lbc50 wads, I’ll trim one down and try it out. I only have BB shot, which is truly just B and 1/2 since they’re BB gun pellets.
@markchapman69332 жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists OK I use this with either 4s 3s or 1s shot some long range geese with that load as we only shoot fighting geese on the Marsh.
@albertobenini7560 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I have some old Winchester 540 powder. Would you have a dose to make 35/36 grams of steel number 3. Thanks
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Winchester 540 data is interchangeable with hodgdon hs6. It’s the same powder.
@albertobenini7560 Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists ok e hai un assetto buono per 36 grammi da darmi
@albertobenini7560 Жыл бұрын
ok then in this case you have a good set-up to give me for the 36 grams
@joshuadavidson662 Жыл бұрын
If i dump out lead shot if it weaight is the same can i just replace it with steel shot?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
No, the steel would rip right through a normal wad which would scratch up your barrel pretty bad. It would also take up way more room than less because it’s significantly lighter/less dense. Pressure would go way up too.
@joshuadavidson662 Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists thanks!
@Sneakyjoe69 Жыл бұрын
Did you find the link for the piston system you were talking about ?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Lookup below the tideline here on KZbin he has a video with them talking about how to get them I think
@longhairrasta Жыл бұрын
Are those wads 41mm or 35mm. And does it matter
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
The wad is the regular 2 3/4” tps wad
@longhairrasta Жыл бұрын
My bad, I forgot you were using the un-slit wad. The slit wads come two different sizes. Any other data for heavier shot with this hull? @@theshotgunscientists
@briansimpson2608 Жыл бұрын
What primer are you using in this load?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
The one that came in the hull
@briansimpson2608 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, great videos by the way.
@badboytommy187 Жыл бұрын
Can you put buffer on your shot BB 1 ounce load ?
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
Yes just drop half a grain of powder
@sitnam307 ай бұрын
How much grain for 1600 fps
@theshotgunscientists7 ай бұрын
You’d need a different powder and probably a 3” shell
@sitnam307 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists I bought a box of Winchester 1600 velocity Slugs. But I want to start making my own shells.
@theshotgunscientists7 ай бұрын
@@sitnam30 With lead that’s totally doable with longshot but steel might be very iffy on pressure using longshot.
@t.w.i.t.c.h87118 ай бұрын
What TPS is that
@theshotgunscientists8 ай бұрын
Regular 2 3/4”
@t.w.i.t.c.h87118 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientistsThank you as always good sir
@t.w.i.t.c.h87118 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientistsI have one more question. What's the oz weight of that steel shot
@theshotgunscientists8 ай бұрын
@@t.w.i.t.c.h8711 1
@t.w.i.t.c.h87118 ай бұрын
@@theshotgunscientistswould running 28 gr be too much?
@robbunzey377 Жыл бұрын
Just a heads up tested that at 25.5 grains of powder 13,880 PSI average Great velocities, 1440 FPS, but noticed sever wad deformity. Patterns were excellent at 30 yards, excellent!!
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
That’s a little spicy. I don’t even remember where I found that specific load.
@robbunzey377 Жыл бұрын
@@theshotgunscientists still good in a 3.5" chamber!!! I run 23.5 grains at 1300PSI, crumple geese at 30!! For those shooting extremely cold temps, run Asteel!!
@robbunzey377 Жыл бұрын
1300 FPS
@raybishop3176 Жыл бұрын
No contact info for the wad splitter guy
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
KZbin won’t let me link it. It’s gary.d.caskey Facebook