Maximum Score - Dangerous Dave - ADG Pro 11

[@TheOnlyToblin]

Leave it to Kris to go beyond the level anyone thought was necessary. The vast majority of people would've stopped at the total tally. But no, Kris goes into detail on how to actually get the deadly points by juggling extra lives and points. This is why Kris is special, people. Well played, Kris. Well played.

[@michaelmilligan8149]

Gemini, this wasn't pointless. You helped thousands of people learn how important something so breathtakingly irrelevant can be. I don't see how it makes the world a better place, but my gut tells me it does. Bravo! and Thank-you.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Michael Milligan My ultimate goal in 99% of what I do is to entertain. If people are entertained, I am content. :)

[@jesusbear7367]

My brain at 4:00am: You need to sleep. Me at 4:00 am: I need to see the maximum number of points in Dangerous Dave.

[@rockstarprk]

F! Just 2 mins to 4 AM!!!

[@SLiPCoR]

I am totally on board with this statistical stuff, I also invest much more time and energy than I should into figuring out these things :D

[@PlayStationPaul]

I love the irony of a pointless exercise to determine pointless points. Definitely interesting to see how you worked it all out though, even for someone who's never played the game.

[@lilwyvern4]

Pointless overanalysis for giggles is always a good time. Thank you for having the willpower to do it when I'm too lazy. :P

[@simovihinen875]

Well this could only exist on this channel! :D Great presentation BTW.

[@rachysnip]

Pleasure Dome... hmm.. Rex Nebular?

[@SabinStargem]

It would be cool if Tower of the Sorcerer could get this kind of analysis. That game revolves around figuring out an optimal solution, but I have the hardest time deciding when and how to use the stat shop.

[@pelimies1818]

Very well put together. Entertaining and fun, in all. Thanks!

[@vonheer7418]

Getting some Spelunky score run vibes from this. Those people are nuts. :)

[@Pixelmusement]

This game has NOTHING on Spelunky's insane skill ceiling... o_o;

[@vonheer7418]

@@Pixelmusement Indeed. Fairly recently they discovered a faster way to do a hell run.

[@GlennMartinAKAMrBadAxe]

I had been thinking about doing this for Commander Keen, but in reverse: what's the lowest possible score you can beat the game with?

[@Pixelmusement]

+Glenn Martin After thinking about it for a moment that would definitely be an interesting challenge! :o

[@PumpkinStrikesBack]

Excellent video!

[@pjgathergood6987]

One of those strange videos that I find fascinating even though I don't quite know why! :D Fun though. Will there be a full new season of Ancient Dos Games review? Still so many hidden gems and forgotten classics and pile of **** to be covered! :)

[@Pixelmusement]

+Pj Gathergood Technically still in Season 6, next review is Saturday! The pattern of videos this year will be Review, Pro, Review, Mod, Review, Filler, with new videos on the first three Saturdays of every month from now to the end of October, at which point I take my usual two months off from ADG. :B

[@Megaritz]

When I played this as a kid on DOS, I *definitely* remember it was only possible to play any secret level once. After beating a secret level, it was NOT possible to re-enter it. I don't know if there are other versions of the game where it works differently. You said in the video that a secret level can be re-entered an infinite amount of times, but you said in the description that a secret level could only be entered once in the version you played later. So I wanted to mention that the "no re-entry" rule was present in the old DOS version that I played. (After dying in a secret level, I do not remember for sure if it was possible to re-enter it or not, but I don't think it was.)

[@JomasterTheSecond]

_Maximum_ score's always nice... but what about the _minimum_ attainable score you can get while still finishing the game? :v Great vid as usual.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jomaster The Second Might tackle that one too at some point as that would indeed be a tricky one to figure out for Dave, especially given that enemies don't award points if you kill them by touching them and losing a life yourself, and some enemies, notably in the final level, cannot be passed without defeating them.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Well if that video ever happens, I look forward to it!

[@moranmanny]

"It's 99,999 That's the episode!" I sort of wish that section was an april fools prank with the rest of the video coming the day after x'D

[@EricOneOneNine]

This reminds me of the time I did the same thing for Secret Agent. Have all the calculations in a spreadsheet.

[@Tim.Hammer]

14:04 Question, Kris. I remember doing that wall glitch all the time, but I don't know for sure about this - but what I'm wondering is, can't you also get that second crown off to the top left of the first one, by moving slightly left JUST after your final wall jump, then moving back to the right again?

[@Pixelmusement]

+Tim Hansen Yup! Someone else in the comments caught that and demonstrated it in video, thus said crown is now simply "Unsafe" instead of "Invalid"! :B

[@Tim.Hammer]

@@Pixelmusement Cool. Unfortunately, with your jumps being confined to a 2-block height, anything below must be impossible, since you can't do a 1-block jump... Unless there is some other way to glitch your first jump.

[@Dicker296]

Fine. Now make a Dangerous Dave 2 Pro.

[@apatsa_basiteni]

lol Give this guy a PHD for this amazing research.

[@donnierussellii4659]

Lane almost certainly refers to Lane Roathe.

[@DookNookim]

John Romero says it refers to Lane Roathe on his website: rome.ro/dangerous-dave

[@OleCrankyGamer]

When games were so tough we went outside to play lol

[@texanplayer7651]

If you account for the glitch that allows to collect the bonus items in secret level 8 twice, that score shoots up by another 37k point

[@SmeddyTooBestChannel]

I had a dream last night you did a video on GZDoom's ZScript. Would this ever be a thing?

[@Pixelmusement]

+Smedis2 Maybe...? It's not something I have planned but if people start requesting it then anything's possible. :B

[@Roobar_Plays]

OK I've managed to squeeze 300 additional points from level 9. At 13:38 there's a screenshot of some items that are labeled as invalid points. And there's a place where you can get stuck, but there's a way to get at least one more crown from that place: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGXbXnyeo6qEiKc

[@Pixelmusement]

+Roobar Good catch! That brings that crown from Invalid to Unsafe! :D

[@Roobar_Plays]

There's got to be a way to get more points in level 9! I need a trainer...

[@rahulgandhipandi1879]

@level_6 Go through the door to the top right. Jump over in to the warp zone of level 8 collect everything including the trophy. Kill the a Dave. Now play level 6 and collect everything with another trophy. Finish it. You get a fortune. @level_8 Dont collect the second jetpack. It will be useful to fall into the hole if you get killed on the RHS of the level when you are out of jet pack.

[@Pixelmusement]

Going through the door without the trophy in Level 6 was unintended behaviour in the DOS port of the game, (even though it was COMPLETELY intended in the original Apple II version of the game), thus why I didn't count that in these calculations. :P

[@jwt27]

22:27 - I added a 6th digit to the score display for you: a.uguu.se/TjKyBnzMCsNT_DAVE6DGT.7z Untested though because there's no way I'm scoring 100k points in this game. Also I haven't changed anything about the hall of fame screen so that will probably break. edit: fixed a possible buffer overflow

[@Pixelmusement]

+jwt27 Yeah, good thing you caught that. The initial download would crash upon crossing into the sixth digit but your new download works fine; six-digit scoring is working! With high scores it simply ignores the sixth digit. I do find it interesting though that your version of the game must be different from mine seeing as mine has some of the data in a separate file from the main executable, whereas yours has it all in a single executable. :o

[@jwt27]

@@Pixelmusement My copy has EGADAVE.DAV which I didn't include since you probably had that already. That file is only used in EGA video mode however, the VGA and CGA graphics are embedded in the exe. There's also DSCORES.DAV which is just the high score list. About that. I've been looking at the high scores screen, I can see some space to squeeze an extra digit in but there's a ton of code that has to be changed. Would be a lot of work using just IDA's crude assembler, not sure if it's worth the effort.

[@Pixelmusement]

+jwt27 ...then... why is your EXE file twice as big as mine? :o

[@jwt27]

@@Pixelmusement It was compressed with lzexe, you have to unpack that before you can disassemble and patch it. You could compress it again with upx and make it even smaller than it was originally :)

[@Pixelmusement]

+jwt27 Ah. That would've been my first guess, actually. :B

[@elimalinsky7069]

I always wondered, is it possible to have a pacifist run of Dangerous Dave?

[@Pixelmusement]

+Eli Malinsky Technically? The enemies in Level 10 are not possible to bypass, you MUST defeat them, either by shooting them or slamming into them with Dave himself, so it depends on your definition of "pacifist" in this case. :P

[@AmyraCarter]

Huh. Makes me wonder why anyone would lay down traps like that. Oh, wait. Never mind. I know why, lolz

[@thesuspensegamer9778]

U can actually collect gem 1 in the Warp level 5.. and quickly jump back to the lower platform.

[@Pixelmusement]

Not sure exactly which gem you're referring to, but there's only one iffy gem in the warp zone off of Level 5 and as mentioned in the video you CAN get it, but only from the left side with an extremely dangerous jump since to get it from the right you would need to be able to skip the trophy, which is impossible. :P

[@thesuspensegamer9778]

@@Pixelmusement get 1st gem from left and quick leap to the bottom platform which is beside that lava and then go up and complete level as usual.