MaxPax brings the 4 GATE back against Clem!

[@AwesomeJedi182]

9:21 "Looking at World rankings, serral is in first" Ah yes, the sky is blue

[@HENTAICOMBO]

but sometimes it might become Dark, we might even see Reynor in the moon

[@vick7848]

I can't believe the top 3 in the world are non-koreans, this is insane. Serral paved the way. I'm so proud of all 3

[@Hidden_Sage]

I appreciate you flashing text on the screen that this was recorded prior to the patch update. I often just listen to the casts at the start of my workday, and was VERY confused when you were still talking about ghosts needing a nerf, lol.

[@LowkoTV]

Yeah I recorded this just before they announced the updated patch. Figured it's still worth uploading tho, such a good series!

[@rockyalters1242]

@@LowkoTV Super agreed, that was a fantastic set of games - especially game 2. Thanks for the casts as always!

[@Hidden_Sage]

@@LowkoTV It WAS a great match. Thanks a ton for casting it for us :D

[@yornieldominguez2288]

​. Ultralisk need ugrade for 3 seg vs spell 60 seg coldown. Inmortal 3 seg vs dmg coldown 30 seg near a nexus. Soo the gosht no are op anymore.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@CHIQUIZO]

@@LowkoTV Amazing players, amazing games, amazing casting as always!!! I love your content and the community you have created Lowko , glad to be part of it!! Keep up the awesome content and the good vibes man! Love from Argentina

[@1lomi901]

8:40 IM SORRY WHAT Can we even talk about that 1v1 jungling micro from both of them ? I mean seriously ? Lowko is so used to it he doesnt even realize Clem is tanking 5 stalker with 3 marines and 1 marauder. This is crazy insane. Swap MaxPax with any top 50 protoss player instead of top 3, and suddenly Clem actually clears this attack and win the damn game.

[@geuros]

Not easy with a prism, borderline impossible with a medivac

[@boliveto]

Lowko advocating for the patch probably influenced the changes of yesterday lol

[@CHIQUIZO]

facts

[@Jabawalk]

I like how you casually bring up the Protoss issue in game 😂

[@jamoecw]

24:00 It started in SC1. Probes aren't tied up building, and drones no longer take up supply when building. This made SCVs slightly worse, so they got an extra 5 HP very early in development to compensate. Zerg structures were priced so that they cost the same including the cost of the drone, so zerg didn't pay more by using up the drone. The real question is why the oracle doesn't do 3 more damage?

[@Zergling.]

Depends if that 3 plus damage changes anything vs other units, can we have a + damage to workers? that will help.

[@Deolrin]

There's also the fact that Drones regenerate health, Probes regenerate shields, and SCVs need to repair eachother to heal or use a Medivac.

[@darkdragonlich2299]

With drones' HP regen and probes' shield regen, a SCV doesn't stand a chance in 1v1 if it hasn't these 5 more HP

[@jamoecw]

@@darkdragonlich2299 You are the second person to mention this, and that was what I assumed until in the early days of SC1 (during early promotional stuff for Brood War) one of the developers stated in reply to the issue of worker rushes and why SCVs are better at it, that the extra 5 HP against harrassment was due to the things I mentioned and not to match their fighting ability (shields and HP regen doesn't result in 5 HP during the fight).

[@scarletspidernz]

Terrans: Goes mass marauder early game to harass/end the game quickly Protoss: Goes Stargate to counter the marauder rush Terrans: "PROTOSS SO OP!!!"

[@sky9t_sulia]

why marauder can't fire up?!?

[@DUDA-__-]

Protos looses because he cant a move his airtoss into terran Also Protoss: terran so op

[@mihairo83]

​@sky9t_sulia Why the Zealot can't attack air units? Was your question genuine?

[@sky9t_sulia]

@@mihairo83 zealot don't have a rocket launcher😁

[@zerosama1995]

What marauders have isn't rocket launcher, but something similar to grenade launchers. They kinda shoot RPG that is great against ground tanky armoured units, but useless against air units.

[@baloocallout678]

1:45 Thank you Lowko, very cool.

[@SebuWayne]

43:16 That was a very clever move, very nice!! 🤭

[@bricelory9534]

Love the back and forth here - felt like a real match and not just a handful of games that happened to be between the same players. I do look forward to seeing the matchups after the patch gets released. I think it'll freshen it up.

[@stevebrodt1792]

8:30 and the dropship warpgate dance is premier Starcraft 2 and the music SLAPS

[@OnigoroshiZero]

30:38 Makes a couple Ghosts, uses a single EMP, proceeds to delete the entire Protoss army within a few seconds... When even the greatest Terran player of all time, which is also one of the greatest of all time in general, says that this unit (from his own race), need nerfs against both Protoss and Zerg, you know the unit is beyond broken.

[@theSpian1]

Either EMP's AOE should be minimal (2-3 spellcaster units affected at max, even if a huge clump got hit), just enough to force opponent spellcasters not to clump up lazily, or it should only remove the same amount of energy that it took to cast, with a bit more AOE than currently.

[@APHIO-]

I really hope maxpax will play some offline tournaments

[@Solcollector1]

Those 4 gate pushes were insane! Good casting as always Lowko!

[@cjjuszczak]

8:20 watching MaxPax juggle the weak Stalkers from the front-to-back of the attack line had me dizzy just WATCHING it, can't imagine DOING it o.O

[@shinzoux5912]

7:12 He's just that good. Max Pax is amazing to watch as a Toss fan. Gives me Parting vibes. Imagine he had a race that wasn't as gimped lmao. Also, Clem is a stand-up guy. Always enjoy watching him and Reynor.

[@XaxionDrakemm]

That bait drop in the last match was amazing

[@Mikivericks]

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Happy Friday! ❤

[@rumar4u]

Late but liked because MaxPax is here

[@SebuWayne]

07:03 - 09:07 what a nice fight! 😁🤘

[@fuffybear6865]

What’s better than a concave? A full surround 😂 Also, as weak as Protoss is in high-level tournaments, MaxPax is just an absolute exception to that rule. If I nerf/buff a race, I’m definitely not watching him, Serral, and Clem to make those decisions because they’re on an entire league of their own.

[@TuffHunterTactics]

Lowko casting? Automatically series of the year. ❤

[@tacochaos5127]

The nexus energy recharge would be cool if it could apply anywhere there is pylon energy, having emp wipe your casters is dope, so then give the caster heavy army an avenue to soft counter emp

[@jakobtoetjorsal4502]

after the first game... this is some of the best sc2 i've ever seen

[@brandontobias1138]

Game 2 demonstrates the importance of Protoss keeping battery overcharge in the game

[@genehenson8851]

Except it made no difference.

[@brandontobias1138]

Game 3 demonstrates the importance of nerfing the ghost (more) 😂

[@dajosh42069]

I dunno about "Game of the Year", but it WAS a good match. GG to MaxPax

[@LanceFehr]

That was so badass! 4 Gate Stalkers is awesome!

[@danieltafoya9841]

that troop juggling in the first round was great xD

[@ErenisRanitos]

petition to remove Ghosts so we can all stop yapping about nerfing them

[@CHIQUIZO]

43:18 HOOOLLLYYY SHHHH.... that was INDEED BEAUTIFUL

[@francescob.3019]

the early game defensive tools that protoss needs are better gateway units before their upgrades, meaning stalker being a bit better before blink and especially zealot which is so bad without charge. And I say that as a zerg main, but the early protoss units are hopeless against the amazing marine and marauder which are both top tier units right from the start and even their upgrades come usually earlier

[@arbiterally101]

I think this is the core of the problem. It's impossible to buff Gateway tech against Barracks without affecting the Spawning Pool or Roach Warren at the same time. Those early units for Protoss are absolutely useless against Marines and Marauders without their upgrades, and even with them are going to struggle; however they're actually useful against Zerg because they tend to be stuck at a similar power level (aside from the Queen, which is itself a necessary evil to compensate for the similarly weak early-game.) Adepts are the only exception, with their upgrade not giving them functionality, but just a massive improvement in their given role....which then drops off terribly once either faction begins counter play.

[@francescob.3019]

@@arbiterally101 I think the stalker could do like a 10% increase in dps without breaking that much, it would still lose against zerglings and do just okay against roaches, depending on the micro. The zealot could be a little faster before charge maybe. But as you laid out the problem is in the barracks, and that's probably true. So let's just address that, which seems easier to me. How the marines and marauders have been untouched for so long is honestly beyond me. They’re already top units and their upgrades comes too early and they're too good. marines get 20% health increase so early in the game. Just take it after maybe fusion core or something like that, similar to what zergling have with adrenal glands. The concussive shells upgrade is stupidly cheap and fast and makes marauder even better against units it shouldn't be that good against, like zealots. It's so cheap that I usually say that even if you had just 3 marauders for the whole game, it would still be convenient to upgrade concussive shells. If you open up a unit test map, you'll see that marines and marauders trade incredibly good against everything unless you have hard counters (like zerglings in open space or aoe against marines or immortals vs marauders or smthing like that). And that is the problem we see early game I believe. Do you know when they start to trade more or less balanced? when you bring medivacs into the fight, which obviously most players do. Medivacs bring incredible utility to the army, so you can use stimpack for longer in the game and haul the memens around, but during the fight they bring the cost-efficiency substantially down because after all they're not cheap. So the first thing I'd try is to look into some changes like I've laid out earlier to tweak marines and marauders, and maybe make the medivacs a bit cheaper to even that out later in the game.

[@MatthewGreene-os1sz]

These two play such spectacular Starcraft!

[@AlexiDragomir]

Pretty sure the SCV has additional HP because Zerg and Protoss workers have access to free healing (HP regen and shields, respectively), which means that Terran would lose more easily vs worker rushes without the 5 extra or whatever.

[@scarletspidernz]

Repair takes time and costs

[@JohnMPang]

Love it. I'm Max pax fan too. Thanks lowko

[@patrikhala1910]

I like the "In the end" insertion 😁 Linkin Park's hymn of the 90s kids 🖤

[@discovermajid]

The balance council wanted to let the EMP damage energy, shields and health altogether but decided if the health goes zero the energy doesn't matter. Hence they gave the Ghost the snipe ability :[

[@hvip4]

Clem publicly sacrificing the Ghost so that the only really broken thing about the Terran race can remain unnoticed (the mule) 💀

[@CHIQUIZO]

22:41 I JUST did the same and sung that song out loud hahaha I'm watching too much Lowko 😅

[@raizensmuscoo381]

yaaaaay, ma' MaxPax boy :D thx Lowko, you never fail to deliver

[@jedenasty2226]

My two favourite pro-gamers!

[@1KamaronConClase]

what a series 🎉🎉🎉🎉 What a caster ❤❤❤❤

[@yuukisylglaveon6844]

5:33 Balance changes: Warp prism is now called Medivac.

[@Spartsou]

Yes! MaxPax! I thought this would be him trying out the updated changes to the stalker. 😅 Regardless, thanks future Lowko!

[@FelipeMedina-yz5pw]

So glad seeing a Terran get wrecked. That race has been OP since 2010.

[@WoA596]

Banger of a match!

[@srbzv]

The medivac micro at 8:47 is insane

[@cyxixi8312]

Thanks!

[@Cuticatie]

Protoss early games are hard, but MaxPax is truly masterclass in his skill overcoming the early game with so much nerf on Protoss against Terran. Basically, Terran has the most options and leeways in early games.

[@silverpro8356]

Terran is just blatantly overpowered it’s honestly disgusting not much has been done.

[@hivetech4903]

@@silverpro8356 Terran is strong against Zerg, look at the balance stats and at tournament level PvT is 51% (1% Protoss favored) 😂

[@jumeu9764]

it would be crazy if maxpax got the widowmine to fire then charged with the zealot into the marine cluster at 19:08, probably could have wiped clem's army

[@JoseLopez-hs3yw]

10:39 to be sincere... It's impossible to wathc MaxPax games and not be one of his fans

[@amptransformers2257]

Next game you cast better be protoss after the new patch update!! 🤣👍🏼👍🏼

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

I love how after losing 28 SCVs, Terran can still come back with just MULEs...

[@jorgereyes3110]

Ironic! 27:40 there is no Ghosts yet, completely unviable 30:33 a single Ghost makes the winning play, GG is called

[@ThorgrimGrudgebeare]

i still dont get why emp is available from the start and not a research

[@hvip4]

Harstem casted an interesting Protoss vs. Clem just 6 days ago... I couldn't tell you who won, but Clem definitely struggled 😊

[@kadafi1325]

Man it was almost goty.. super dynamic

[@saiyanveins]

make it make sense that 1 emp wins a game against protoss, leave the ghost out of the discussion EMP NEEDS A NERF!

[@royalcanadianbearforce9841]

Another GOTY for the playlist!

[@philipwendling9937]

I think the Oracle will not become a stable in this match up even if buffed. The marine seems like to easy as response. But, if one wanted to explicitly kill SCVs faster, then adjusting the spell to do +5 against workers would do the trick. Drones heal and probes have shields. The SCV is the only on of them that needs active healing or repair. The 5 additional hit points make sense from this perspective. The implication for the oracle was merely a side effect.

[@TriangleChloros]

Not exactly. The oracle origninally did +10vs light, rather than +7, meaning it originally *did* kill SCVs in two hits. And marines. And don't forget that an oracle is faster than even a stimmed marine, too. Oracle damage is what it is because a fast proxy oracle vs terran used to be incredibly difficult to hold without major economic damage.

[@hawkenparker]

this is my game of the year. HOLY CRAP

[@simonmichel16]

The Raven should have energy provided activated cloaking, Terran has that tech on other vehicles, what’s up not on the detector.

[@roarmalf]

The level of micro by Max is just insane, I don't think he for hit by a single banshee shot in Clem's base.

[@thomasmartin2248]

Clem trolling himself. Legend.

[@schicianot]

First game was nutz, chem fought long at the end.

[@danielpirez381]

We really need MaxPax in offline tournaments

[@norrinradd1]

Even with the strong reaction of the community they will pass another huge nerf to protoss (shield battery and the disruptor), with a minimum nerf to ghosts and more random buffs to terrans.

[@jasonbarnes961]

zero mention of the citizens arrest in gm 3 is driving me insane!!!!!

[@WastedTalent83]

its kinda funny how you said "there are no ghost and they are so aggressive" As soon as the ghost come out, "terran wins"

[@LinasGruzdys]

finaly love this series super intens games

[@choldate7535]

i cant believe what just happened maxpax is making things easier on protoss

[@christopheleddet2830]

Let's protect protoss against early Terran agression sure and give Maxpax even more tools to stalker swarm 😁

[@SquintyGears]

Isn't the justification for the SVC extra hp that they are vulnerable while building or repairing? It's a bit of a stretch since SCV die in mineral lines 90% of the time and the other 10% is when you pull the boys...

[@curtismassarella4070]

Hey lowko. You ever think about doing a game of the year tournament at the end of the year?

[@marus3953]

If the concern is wanting a race to win. I think there should be a tournament where it has race restrictions. Then another tournament where it is random from race and map.

[@willfly8650]

I think it would be very important to focus on the real pro gamers of sc2 and how they perform in the new patch. Of course it’s the viewer games.

[@WeItenspinner]

MaxPax's micro is so unreal. O_O

[@ShelbySigouin]

if they want to nerf the ghost set the emp to a flat damage instead of nuke damage flat damage of say 50 or 75 would mean you need more emps to delete the targets energy and shields making the ghost way less effective against archons ht col infestor viper ultra by needing more emp to delete the spell caster energy or the shields of a big protoss unit like an archon means you have less snipes to use against ultras or other high value units this might be so effective they need to role back the supply change

[@mckdgz4994]

Protoss may have a comeback this year. 😅 Just hope a colossal Mothership doesn't get easily pulled completely by teeny weeny Zerg Vipers coz it's absurd to think an entire floating city gets totally pulled by a lone skinny Viper. 😂

[@Defileros]

good 'ol reliable 4gate

[@daniel.s.stefanov]

"SCV has more health than probes and drones, which is very significant" OH REALLY? And probe's ability to regen 50% of that health isn't significant? Drone's ability to morph into a building and save itself isn't significant?? You can't balance things by giving them the same stats, when they have DIFFERENT MECHANICS!

[@4gates4]

24:50 whats the oracle change? and the dt one

[@andreiquiche]

I see new sc2 lowko video I click like

[@therealdaniel451]

@LowkoTV do you think all other Protoss players simply have a skill issue? Looking at games where MaxPax dominates I would rather say that the opponent simply made a few mistakes or at least non-perfect micro whereas MaxPax then played a nearly perfect game. Like Serral used to do with Zerg. I think this does not prove the general viability of Protoss...quite the opposite, in my opinion: if anything, it shows that Protoss usually needs a to play a near-perfect game in PvT and, to a lower degree, in PvZ in order to win.

[@scottfreeman5190]

MaxPaximus to the Maximus!

[@1N2345]

27:40 - So ironic that everybody is complaining about ghost, they ain't making any!!! If he Clem did any he would've lost!! 28:00 - Ghost academy is being built 30:00 - Ghost emp destroy's the protoss army, GG It took 20 seconds for the comment to age badly, and 2 minutes for it to be proven laughable.

[@mysteryblankdspace4342]

Maybe Showtime, Hero, or Astrea, might have taken a game or two in the last year from Clem.

[@Boofpack-og]

Lowko more like im in love with the coco

[@kubm4s915]

Maximumus Paximus shows his best game

[@phongminh2588]

Bo5 in 40 min. Someone was getting bullied there

[@Raziel1984]

amazing games!

[@DSzaks]

Everyone is complaining about ghosts but we haven't really seen any in this matchup... Moments later Single ghost uses one ability and wins the game.

[@DirtDDigler]

Did I miss something, when was the 4 gate?

[@easlern]

I thought hamster invented this 😂

[@zapoyou2]

Love this gameeee

[@Chkkk8293]

It take Maxpax to dominate the ladder for Protoss to stop crying

[@mysteryblankdspace4342]

When i got here, your likes were °NISE!

[@KnVlove]

We got max PAX and max VERSTAPPEN Is this the age of people named max?

[@TysonJensen]

I admit to being curious about the games that cause Serral to outrank Clem. The last time I know about them facing off Clem made Serral look like a bronze league hero. Of course, I've also seen Serral make the average pro look like they just installed the game so... I'm just wondering if there's some Serral content I haven't seen. 😁🤩

[@ANTICARBONTAX]

Wow maxpax actually beat clem amazing

[@MrTeknown]

EMP is just way too broken vs protos.

[@mysteryblankdspace4342]

Third game was literally autowon because of emp imbalance..

[@samuelpoulin8148]

​@@mysteryblankdspace4342Atleast ghosts got nerfed to 3 instead of 2 supply per ghost. So... they won't be as much and so there will be less energy. Tho I do understand that it doesn't change the fact that they are still broken.

[@scarletspidernz]

They need to swap with Raven give it Emp, give Ghosts defense matrix/lockdown

[@mysteryblankdspace4342]

Thats a cool idea.

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

I've seen someone suggest that EMP's shield damage should be divided among all units targeted by the enemy ghost. I think it's an interesting nerf because it still makes EMP useful but now you'd gotta use it strategically to soften toss units instead of just automatically winning any engagement