Surface Pro 11 vs M4 iPad Pro - The REAL Pro Tablet?!

[@MaxTechOfficial]

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[@coshvjicujmlqef6047]

there is no surface laptop 11 yet. what you are saying is surface pro 11.

[@Ierr-e4e]

The main problem of the iPad is always its limited OS.

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

That’s because Apple doesn’t want you to stop buying their laptops.

[@theechodottu]

Hey. Android/Windows meatrider here. I got the m4 ipad pro recently and haven't gotten any complaints for around a week now, the device can really handle like my Ryzen 9 w/Nvidia GPU laptop. I'll keep this updated if I point out stuff I don't like.

[@wangxx6970]

Windows on arm isn’t great either, most apps are compatible with x86 platform.

[@scottfwalter]

@@RedLeo-pf9yoI agree but Apple is sending mixed messages. Especially with all the hardware power they put in the iPad Pro. As well as the release of Final Cut Pro on the iPad. It’s crazy how close in price these two devices are.

[@redeem5858]

@@theechodottu Meat rider is crazy.

[@sjefhoudoe3553]

And the weight... The massive heavy steel counterweight in the Apple Magic keyboard makes the keyboard actually heavier than the Ipad itself... and put together together makes it heavier than a 13 inch Macbook Air

[@maravreloaded]

Yeah and the keyboard is like 400$ lol I'd prefer a Bluetooth Magic Keyboard for 1/4 of the price.

[@ahmedalsadi0010]

For all students, i recommend Surface Pro, except if you are okay buying ipad and macbook

[@akin242002]

Hard pass on the iPad. However, a refurbished M2/M3 Air with 16GB of RAM is nice.

[@Htiy]

⁠@@akin242002yeah. In 2024 buying the pro makes no sense for students. I only got the pro in 2020 cuz the air didnt have the same form factor or keyboard

[@techinrl9869]

I will never buy a Surface Pro again. I bought one, the biggest mistake of my tech life. I hated it so much I gave it to my college student son. He used it for two months and threw it in the trash because it was so bad. He ended up spending his own money to buy an Asus laptop. The Surface Pro is not a tablet, no matter what people say. It’s not even a hybrid. It’s a poor laptop. There are so many better Windows laptop options than the Surface Pro.

[@akin242002]

@@techinrl9869 Which version was it? I had the SP4, and it worked great for years until I needed more than 8GB of RAM. Gave it to my daughter for her after-school tutoring class.

[@blackmamba6938]

@@techinrl9869 You probably had the old Surface which was trash. This is the new one with the Snapdragon processor. You can't really compare the 2.

[@jackkelly7884]

Wow can finally say that's a massive jump from Microsoft with the tablet lineup I remember when the surface pro used to perform pretty terrible, but in geekbench used to perform good with the score but in real world testing the iPad demolish it Good job.

[@eddietran5803]

i used to have a surface pro 7 and that thing always got hindered by the fact that i have to charge the tablet every 1-2 hours after full charge. Im glad they stepped up

[@anonymoususer8604]

Good review! I think the Surface Pro is more functional - can be used for all the regular tablet things like laying in bed and watching KZbin, writing on it with the pen, etc, without also sacrificing the desktop operating system with the apps available on it. I think the new Surface Pro has significantly bridged the gap - webcam and display are so much better than before - and my main issue with garbage battery life and performance is gone. I think it was important to mention that you can get the more expensive Surface Pro keyboard with a haptic trackpad and the ability to use it detached - I'll take that last feature over anything the form factor of the iPad offers.

[@jeffmiller6343]

There is a large difference in the price of the keyboard, Apple really overprices their keyboards.

[@TokyoNeko8]

What. It’s the same price range

[@Thomasjcolbert82]

To be fair, this keyboard is stout. I love it. I don’t disagree that things seem to be overpriced, but you are getting a nice piece. I don’t want plastic crap if i can help it.

[@christianr.5868]

@@TokyoNeko8unlike the m4 iPad Pro, you can use older cheaper keyboards on the surface

[@davosworks]

@@TokyoNeko8 No, the surface pro signature keyboard costs about 100$, You dont have to buy the most expensive one

[@shackf16]

For a channel that has been a big proponent of Apple products, I’m impressed by the transparency of this comparison. I’ve owned a SP3 back in the day and loved the tablet form factor back when it kinda sucked. I’ve also used a Samsung Galaxy Book 2 w/ an older Snapdragon processor before they started the 8cx models with only 4Gb of RAM (and 4G LTE), but it worked surprisingly well for mostly office tasks and media consumption. Using full fat MS Office was way better on that than my wife’s M4 WW-inch iPad Pro! I can use the mouse as a mouse and right click and everything. 😅 DeX mode on my Galaxy S8+ still doesn’t quite cut it, although the performance of that is way better than the old Samsung Galaxy Book 2 for most tasks. I will be buying the 5G Surface Pro 11 when it is released this fall and will finally have my Goldilocks device. Thanks for this great review.

[@rowaystarco]

This is how it was for me. I had an earlier Surface Pro but performance and battery life was sub par. Switched to an iPad Pro and was wowed by the design, performance, battery life. But the OS just really really sucked for productivity. I jumped on Surface Pro once again, as soon as the new ARM Pro 11 dropped. And I'm loving it! And while it's often buggy, it still surprised me that quite a few relatively modern games can run okay on the Pro. More compatibility out of the box than my iPad and Macbook had. And being able to install Steam is so much better than having to rebuy games on an iPad (on my Mac Steam worked great of course).

[@maxrobespierre9176]

@@rowaystarco I hear security me mentioning that iPadOS sucks at productivity. Could you give several examples. I have not found these huge productivity holes.

[@DomainObject]

@@maxrobespierre9176I can give you one huge example. You cannot do professional software development on the iPad. There are no professional iPad IDE’s (not even Apple’s own Xcode). No terminal support, etc. It’s pathetic. I’ve owned iPads since they were introduced in 2010. I’ve stopped at the iPad Pro M2. I can’t justify another iPad when Apple so steadfastly refuses to support professional software developer workflows.

[@maulanasatyaadi]

@@maxrobespierre9176 can iPadOS run VSCode then do programming tasks on it? running visual studio? running docker? running C#, NodeJS, Rust, or Java development on it? open desktop version of ms. excel, word, power point?

[@ktech4246]

@@maxrobespierre9176 To name a few, file navigation is really clunky, despite stage manager the whole working on multiple windows felt clunky, the key board is awkward where the unit feels stop heavy, ms office especially excel is really bad to doing any professional spreadsheets on (eg production management, P&Ls etc), cant run any IDEs for programming and no access to terminal, forget doing any advance accounting on it as either no dedicated app or the web-browser doesnt cut it. IMHO IpadOS is not for productivity. Get a laptop for that but if you want both at least the Surface Pro got you covered. I've actually created and ran a whole business on the old surface pros but still I would wait for the Surface Pros to get the intel lake chips. Interested in what you are using it for and your work arounds?

[@UCnhHegbqCv6_CnRAETfCSsA]

I bought the Surface Pro 11 and it’s fantastic. Sold my M2 iPad Pro after the purchase I was hoping for two years they could allow professional softwares but now I do was watching KZbin I could literally do nothing productive😂

[@maxrobespierre9176]

@@UCnhHegbqCv6_CnRAETfCSsA Sounds like a user problem to me.

[@UCnhHegbqCv6_CnRAETfCSsA]

@@maxrobespierre9176 why Robespierre

[@jwatson181]

​@@maxrobespierre9176bro... iPad is is a joke

[@yuvrajsingh15823]

Where do you sold it? I want to sell my M2 ipad Pro for surface pro 11.

[@HeyRafaelJerry]

@@yuvrajsingh15823 why you want to sell?

[@heroofjustice3349]

Surface Pro wins by KO before 1st round. 'Pro' tablet means its suited for professional usage, so all devices with iPadOS should be excluded from this category. I cant care less if they put M3 Max inside, but for professional lack of many things restricted by operating systems are deal breakers.

[@ahaimes6320]

Pro tablet, by definition, is for professional tablet users; it has never meant it has to support a desktop OS. There is a good reason why the Surface Pro has been on the decline the last two years, and that few OEMs now make these detachable laptops because they suck as tablets. MS has even gone as far as no longer calling the Surface Pro a tablet, killing the Android subsystem for Windows and reducing tablet apps to a few. The iPad has 1000X more tablet apps and is the true pro tablet, though the Tab S9 Ultra is a close second choice. But if I wanted a tablet, the SP11 would be nowhere.

[@cpufrost]

The irony is the "pro" device ships with home windows 😂

[@rowaystarco]

@@cpufrost They are shipping business versions this autumn, also with a 5G option. Most Surface Pro users don't really need the full features of Windows 11 Pro, that's more of a business/workplace thing for most.

[@cpufrost]

@@rowaystarco Unfortunately the SKU list was leaked and there's no 32GB version that's 5G capable! That is too bad!

[@rowaystarco]

@@cpufrost They'll probably add it later on if some larger businesses demand it.

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

The new Flex Keyboard Cover for the Surface Pro 11 is even better with a haptic touchpad, backlit keys and best of all it can be used detached via Bluetooth. I prefer the pen storage and charging option on the Flex Keyboard Cover as it makes the pen always available when you are typing. I'm actually waiting to see Intel's response with how Lunar Lake will perform on a tablet formfactor. I also hope Windows 12 will fix the minor issues I have with the GUI when using it just as a tablet with touch and pen input. Snapdragon X Elite is the 1st generation and is using TSMC N4 while Apple M4 is on TSMC N3E. I can't wait for the follow up. I hope Microsoft borrow the Lidar idea from Apple. Mac OS has no touch or pen support, iPad OS is more a mobile OS than a desktop OS, Windows on ARM is a full desktop OS with touch and pen support.

[@maravreloaded]

The biggest problem of the iPad is the OS _The Surface Pro is a laptop trying to be a tablet and the iPad Pro is a tablet trying to be a laptop._

[@CarlosFernandez-qk1kj]

I mean yeah is just the Surface attempt at being a tablet is just miles better than the iPad's attempt at being a laptop

[@dunamiswihmee]

I don’t know how many times I tell people IPad cannot replace a laptop! Because Apple has so much limitations on it. Until Apple gets their greedy hands out of their pockets iPad is just another monitor.

[@Carlduran]

maybe next year

[@blackmamba6938]

If we're being honest here, it CAN replace a laptop. It just isn't as capable as a Macbook.

[@TerriTerriHotSauce]

​@@blackmamba6938A MacBook is a laptop.

[@chromebk8674]

@@blackmamba6938no it can’t just be same way the iPad mini can’t replace an iPhone

[@blackmamba6938]

@@chromebk8674 An iPad could easily replace an iPhone if they let you make calls on it. Hypothetically, let's just pretend MacOS doesn't exist. Everyone would be saying the iPad is an amazing computer because they have nothing to compare it to. The only reason why they're saying it sucks is because they're comparing it to MacOS and it's capabilities. I personally own both and I almost never use my iPad, but to say it can't replace a laptop just doesn't make sense. It can accomplish almost all tasks a laptop can accomplish. If you just search KZbin, there are a lot of users who only use an iPad and don't even own a Macbook.

[@xperiafan5370]

5:14 Darn those mics are clear. Very close in sound to your studio mic.

[@ZoneProduction448]

Totally agree.

[@vladi7688]

I think the voice isolation wasn’t enabled on the iPad

[@AnasKhan-ni9xx]

​@@vladi7688imo the surface sounded fuller, while the iPad sounded thinner. It lacked base. Like the sound profile on the surface more

[@linkfang9300]

It's important to mention that iPad with keyboard is actually heavier than Surface with keyboard, mainly because the magic keyboard is toooo heavy.

[@patrick_stg92]

This is correct, but the Magic Keyboard is also significantly better in terms of typing feel. Don't get me wrong, the Surface Pros have a really good keyboard, but the keyboard on the iPad is much better for longer texts. It's closer to a laptop than a Type Cover or the new Type Cover flex from Microsoft.

[@porchourngchuor3567]

iPad is a toy even it has a powerful chipset. It has a lot of software limitation. I hope Apple allows to install MacOS on iPad in the future.

[@T10107]

Apple just needs to *COPY SAMSUNG* with Dex. Make a simple MacOS lite version for iPads when connected to a keyboard and *EVERYONE* will be satisfied! PLEASE APPLE COPY SAMSUNG!

[@gusti46]

​@@T10107they already have stage managers. is not perfect but that like DEX. i think if apple can't give mac os in ipad they need to open ipad so we can side loading easily like in desktop os

[@T10107]

@@gusti46 Stage Manager is a step in the right direction, but it's not the same as Samsung DeX. DeX essentially turns your phone or tablet into a emulated desktop environment with a connected monitor, keyboard, and mouse. While Stage Manager is a step towards enhancing multitasking on the iPad specifically, it doesn't match the comprehensive desktop-like experience that DeX provides. I agree, Apple should allow more flexibility like side loading to bridge the gap for now. However, it might require regulatory pressure for Apple to implement such changes in the US.

[@jmunayer]

Definitely not a toy, I have used it as my main computer since 2017. It is a FANTASTIC music production tool. Way better than the Mac.

[@DivineVegan]

​@@gusti46lol

[@sjefhoudoe3553]

Wrong keyboard comparison, you should either compare Apple Magic Keyboard plus pen (eur 550,-) vs Microsoft Surface Pro Flex keyboard plus pen (eur 530,-); or the Apple/Logitech Combo Touch keyboard (eur 300,-) vs. Microsoft Surface Pro keyboard (eur 160,-)

[@orangeofmars2835]

This discussion is always the fun one for me since it is the decision I have. My wife and I right now mix Windows and Apple systems. We both have Apple Watches and iPad Mini's that we love. We both however have Windows PCs. I would prefer to just stick with one ecosystem. The issue always comes down to these two machines. It always does seem the Surface Pro overall is the choice if one can only get one of the 2. And really, for our household, spending the extra $2-3 thousand every year to maintain 2 systems is not workable in the long run. Apple's stubbornness in not making iPad OS more efficient in fundamental ways like MacOS really make's the choice of going completely Apple very difficult. If Apple doesn't want to put MacOS on the iPad then how about making a MacOS Finder/Disk Manager App for iPad OS that can replace the Files App.

[@pcefbol6704]

Surface with X Elite is incredibly powerful and runs a full Windows OS. Qualcomm, Microsoft, and ARM have done an amazing job. The next generation is expected to be even more efficient.

[@dm-vw4tk]

I returned mine because it kept randomly locking up while browsing and it was frustrating that many of my x86 programs I tried refused to even open up.

[@ministerpillowes]

@@dm-vw4tk what programs were you using that didn't start?

[@DzakirMaruf310]

What program bro?

[@dm-vw4tk]

@@DzakirMaruf310 From memory at the time like Google drive, my Sony editing program, Nord VPN, Virtual Box. Also had weird random lockups of the device. I think given time Snapdragon has potential but i also think MS did a subpar job of the emulator.

[@n0.-]

Thanks for making this!!

[@SreejithKSGupta]

for me, it looked like the surface was quite a bit brighter than the iPad, in every scene, except the white chrome TAB. the scenes and all were noticeably brighter everywhere, not just in the highlights, you can see that at @4:06 , 4:01, or the lightroom export thumbnails @9.32 . the chrome tab looked less bright, with a yellow tint. the speaker also sounded better in the surface, while the Ipad pro felt lacking Base, or rather the richness. is there any reason for that?

[@ahaimes6320]

I have the iPad Pro, which is significantly brighter in HDR than the SP11. In SDR, there is little difference.

[@SreejithKSGupta]

@@ahaimes6320 ooh.. Then why is it different in the video? any ideas?

[@Addakhel]

Those mics on the surface sound phenomenal!

[@Bizmops]

finally! an even competition! oversized screen iphone vs workstation device.

[@HeyRafaelJerry]

Should I buy a Galaxy Tab S9 Plus or an iPad Pro M2? Please suggest

[@zeuronplana8541]

​@@HeyRafaelJerrySave money with the Tab S9 unless u need apps like final cut pro for editing but in android there also good editing apps like caput and u can sideload apps

[@drsuppan]

The main reason I bought my first iPad some years ago was weight/performance because a similar MacBook Pro would be much heavier and the MacBook Air was a toy at that time. But now I can get a MacBook Air for travel for a price less than an iPad with a full OS and all my applications and most importantly plugins for PS work. As far as I am concerned the MacBook Air is the new iPad. And it can run a full version of Capture One

[@DomainObject]

Except it can’t be used as a tablet. So there’s that.

[@drsuppan]

@@DomainObject I agree, I don’t really use the touch function. I am more driven by the apps I use. I just run into a problem with MS Teams and Slack on the iPad again this morning, it is pretty annoying that I have to go to the MacBook or Studio to have full admin functionality. And Capture One on the iPad is really annoying, what are they thinking not to support sessions? And why does the iPad only have one port? How am I supposed to work on an external SSD and to import from my camera at the same time? I don’t need that crazy performance. My MacBook Pro M1 Max still does it all, same with my Studio M1 Ultra. Instead of focussing in performance which only a very small fraction of people need they should focus on the OS

[@RemofRenaissance]

Haven’t even watched this (yet) but for me even a SP8 would be more useful than an iPad as a licence replacement. I experienced this only a few weeks back when I needed to apply for travel documents with the French government. No fix could get the iPad to work with the file system of the French website but a SP handled it with ease. I’ve got an M1 Pro and a SP11 and very happy. Both have their place in my workflow.

[@AgentZeroNine1]

It's ultimately a comparison between blown up mobile/finger centric apps vs desktop/keyboard and mouse centric apps with a few touch centric apps via the Windows store.

[@akmyrattirkeshov4246]

New keyboard is a lot better, why didn’t you show it? Better trackpad, not diving board. You can use it detached.

[@MinhThang2011]

Ipad for Netflix and KZbin. Surface for work

[@xdgs567z]

Exactly, I just use iPad for watching videos, checking emails, reading, maybe drawing, and using other apps…..IPad is lightweight, screen is great, m4 chip makes scrolling around snappy and quick, perfect for these scenarios….if I want to write a report or edit videos, I prefer a laptop

[@maxwellwallace8553]

Facts. It's best productivity use case is being a second monitor for a macbook lol

[@AgentZeroNine1]

Surface for both

[@DomainObject]

Sadly. You’re right.

[@williammaverick]

iPad is a redundant device. Not to mention its boxy aspect ratio is terrible for watching videos, let alone movies. Surface can do both well.

[@mathwithmrn]

I would like to see you compare note taking, drawing, writing on PDF notes and various student applications.

[@omarmasohood]

Well rounded machine. That is a comment that is frequently missing in other reviewers. So what if the iPad has better anti reflective coating or slightly better bass if its software is very limiting.

[@SixPathsOfJin]

So much shadow detail crushed on that ipad display wow. Super evident when compared to the surface OLED.

[@danolson3714]

My work supplies me with a surface pro which I do use, but I also have an iPad Pro 11 inch M4. If you like the keyboard set up with surface pro then just get a Logitech combo touch. It does the same thing but better.

[@fahimxvanced1592]

Adobe export results indicates that benchmark scores doesn't provide any day to day users experience.

[@thestype]

I still have an iPad Pro 2018 with which I'm still very happy with - especially with the 90 Hz display. Since Apple is offering a higher refresh rate only on their Pro lineup and the iPad Air UI is inferior due to the low refresh rate especially on the big model, I am looking at the Snapdragon or Exynos based alternatives for potential future devices - they are quick enough and even 300 dollar models come with high refresh rate, and for a bit more they all have OLED panels. Apple really forgot in the last years the tablet in the tablet.

[@MGLC4]

Great review, thank you.

[@fishnsteve]

If Samsung releases Tab S10 Ultra with Snapdragon X Elite this month, I'll release my dog to the world..

[@alirezahodaee9150]

I wish you would have used the new Surface Flex keyboard.

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

If in some alternate reality where Apple doesn’t want to keep the iPad locked down to the App Store - there exists a Surface Pro/iPad Pro running iPadOS in a “mobility mode”, interchangeable with a full macOS experience when a keyboard + mouse are docked, that’s the dream.

[@shining359]

💯 this. i'll never buy an ipad until this day would come

[@okman9684]

We can't have good things you know 😅

[@BooBooDaFoo330]

Then what would be the point of MacBooks

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

@@BooBooDaFoo330 still need active fans for more powerful machines. I would want to provide an alternative equivalent to the MacBook Air with a sorta detachable keyboard that places the iPad in an optional “mobility mode” iPadOS UI

[@michaelihc2452]

Bro why are you comparing the lowest end surface keyboard to the most premium iPad keyboard? You should check out the flex keyboard.

[@danielz2491]

I'm looking to get my first pad of some variety to mainly run backing tracks when I perform ...I realize this is such an "exotic" use of a pad that I can't find commentary about it ...but it's more analogous to what would a DJ use ...🤔

[@oscarjeong9438]

For the work situation, I recommend Surface Pro 11...if iPad OS is just an extension of iOS and all apps for iPad are based on mobile app design. Imagine that your app has really wide, I mean full screen width wide buttons...it is not for desktop replacement.

[@ValiRossi]

I hope they keep supporting the surface products. I might buy one.

[@techinrl9869]

Contrary to popular belief, the Surface Pro is not a hybrid. It’s a laptop, so the two items aren’t even comparable. The only thing that differentiates the Surface Pro from most other laptops is that its keyboard detaches. Nobody uses the Surface Pro for its tablet ability. I bought one and it was the worst tablet experience of any device, and I’ve had Amazon, Android, and Apple tablets. I own an Asus Zenbook Duo and it also has a detachable keyboard and touch screens (two of them). It doesn’t even pretend to be a tablet, even though it is just as bad a tablet as the Surface Pro. It is a laptop. I also owned a Surface Pro because I loved the idea of a hybrid. After that experience, I was turned off of hybrids completely because its tablet functionality was terrible and totally unusable. At least the Amazon Fire tablets had touchable touch targets, though it was pretty bad, too. The SP was only usable as a laptop, and a mediocre one at that. The Surface Pro should be compared to the Surface Laptop, not the IPad Pro. I swore off of ever buying another hybrid, though I once was the biggest fan of the concept. If you want a tablet, buy the iPad. If you want a laptop, don’t buy a Surface Pro. There are far better options than that.

[@ahaimes6320]

Yes, detachables have been dying slowly as people realise they are flawed. If it hadn't been for corporate buyers of the Surface Pro, MS would have probably binned it by now.

[@christianr.5868]

Surface pro 11 is the best device for artists who want to use desktop programs so far. The pen is good, battery life is good, performance is good and cooling is good. It’s the best artist computer so far. There’s definitely a niche for it. If your not an artist, definitely go for a laptop

[@JoeNokers]

It was a really odd decision to review the surface without the new keyboard. There is a huge difference in functionality between the flex keyboard and the typecover keyboard. I think it would have been worth explaining the pros and cons of both of the options for the surface (cost - bluetooth and haptic trackpad).

[@pyroxide2503]

ARM or not,I don't think comparimg Windows Os to Ipad is fair.Interested to see a video on how this does against the Macbook.

[@maravreloaded]

Like, Mac OS looks more like a touchscreen system ironically. Everything is drag and drop. Multitasking is more limited too and full screen is a different environment.

[@williamcopeland2617]

If I'm not mistaken the X Elite runs at 3.4ghz, not 4.0. It can do a temporary boost up to 4ghz speed whereas the iPad M4 runs at 4ghz all the time.

[@steffmkd]

Surface is better, a pro device, ipad is for kids

[@jackkelly7884]

This time yes.

[@inamulbhuyan]

absolutely right

[@djbronymusic946]

For kids from rich families

[@DennisSchmitz]

@@djbronymusic946 or families that are forced to buy iPads for their children for homework... Happening in Germany even.

[@Tonielaus]

I think both devices are pro machines, the difference is that surface can be used as a main computer while the iPad is more like a pc/Mac complementary

[@lorenzocorsomusic1308]

Hey Max do you think the M4 (unbinned) in a 14“ form factor could get higher geekbench 6 scores up to about 4k in Single Core cause of more thermal headroom and maybe higher clock speeds ?

[@inigohiroki]

I’d get the surface too if’ I can only have 1 device for work and leisure. Ipad just needs FINDER instead of the FILES app and it will be a lot better in file management.

[@maravreloaded]

My biggest problem with the Surface Pro is the format and how Windows isn't exacty adapted for touch screens. It's a straight copy of desktop. No differences.

[@Jonathan-zq8vs]

I think I rather conform to the complexities of a full OS in touch mode than to succumb to the frustrating and limited UI of professional apps on iPad.

[@maravreloaded]

​@@Jonathan-zq8vsYeah I also think iPad OS is a scam, but there's some middle ground. Microsoft should try to adapt their OS to a tablet format, to be more useful without a keyboard.

[@rhite139]

I my iPad Pro, I have the M4 13 inch and I really wish Apple would fix the software problem and allow the iPad to compete with full pro laptops. It’s pretty frustrating for loyal customers. Great analysis and video!

[@ahaimes6320]

Apple did a round of interviews stating that they do not intend to port macOS apps over or run macOS on any iPad. That should have been the end, but the usual YT suspects continue flexing and seem in a different reality. Buy the iPad for what it is, and if it is not what you need or want, there are many alternatives. But don't buy something knowing its limitations and then constantly whine, like a demographic of creators who I suspect have ulterior motives.

[@simpromovie]

If you need a laptop it makes much more sense to buy a laptop...I am using the 15" MacBook Air and it is better than any iPad as a laptop (even if these iPads would have MacOS on them!). I bought the 12.9" iPad Pro M1 some weeks ago for half the price as the M4 iPP and I using it as a tablet without any keyboard (only with the smart folio).

[@firestormjupiter]

@@ahaimes6320 I think the main problem that many people have with iPads is that Apple keeps putting increasingly powerful chips in them, but the software can't keep up. iPadOS is severely lacking in power and multitasking compared to macOS and that kinda makes it a waste of money to purchase hardware the OS will never fully utilise. Either put a more powerful and effective operating system in the iPad, or stop putting overpowered chips inside and then giving it sky-high prices.

[@darkiceywolf2953]

I have been deciding on myself which one is better. The ipad is a tablet trying to be a laptop as people put it and the surface is a laptop trying to be a tablet question is which would you rather have. I am not an artist, so I dont really have a need to buy an expensive pen, hence why I might not need the ipad. Now I heard that some college students manage to get buy with just using an ipad, and it allows them to get the most work done. The issue i find is that ipad os is very limiting and keep in mind its like having a portable mac OS. You can have the best cpu ever but what good is that cpu if the software and operating system it uses sucks. You can word process on the ipad with apples apps 3rd party or Microsoft office but what i hate is the portable version of office is limiting. You cant multitask as well as you can on windows either. Not to mention since its an ipad eventually it will loose support and the updates might eat at the storage and slow it down as well. The surface is only stuck on windows for now i can see people developing linux distros that work on the surface eventually and since it has a uefi you can install linux distros when those become available which bring more life to your surface.

[@Dave-626]

I’m in agreement with many here. I love my iPad but when it’s time to get work done, I always grab my Mac. And I can also run Windows on my Mac. 😀

[@haak4251]

Both tablets are pretty incredible I don’t think u can go wrong picking either of them

[@TimothyHuey]

I was hoping to see a comparison of LLM local models on both.

[@rexmorgan6640]

I would love to see a comparison of Surface 11 vs MacBook Pro M3 running Windows 11 through Parallels.

[@Fanatic17]

Apple should just make an iPad Pro with macOS (call it MacPad or whatever) so if I want iPadOS I can still buy the regular iPad Pro. As a software engineer I would love to be able to run anything on my iPad, I’ve been carrying the Magic Keyboard or the Logitech combo since I got it anyways so I always have mouse and keyboard, even if touch was not much comfortable I’d still use it

[@blackmamba6938]

I'm a Mac fanboy, but I like how the Surface looks and I like how it has 2 USB-C ports.

[@leewalker23]

I'm not saying about ipad, this applies to Android tablets as well but I can't never seem to be really productive with my tablets. My first tablet was samsung tab 10.1 back in the old days of android and it was only useful for entertainment. Sold it and didn't buy any tablet until 2017 when I bought an ipad which only lasted me a year before I decided to sell it because I couldn't even open multiple excel files back then in the ipad os. Again, I went on a few years before I bought a new huawei tablet in 2022 which ended up as my netflix & youtube tablet. I gave it to my employee which seem could to find better use for it before switching to Tab S9 FE from Samsung. With S9 FE, at least I could get more things done than my previous tablets and it came with the pen for free & the capability of inserting sim card which is a huge win for me (because I use mobile hotspots all the time when I go out). Yet, still, I find that it couldn't rival the pc experience of a windows pc & laptop. The File manager isn't as easy to explore as windows and sometimes that a simple task on windows, could mean a heavier task on android tablet/ipad. Still, would I recommend android tablets/ipad for work? Yes, if you work revolves around google drives or creativity stuff like drawing, video editing, etc. Otherwise, just go for the 2 in 1 form factor that runs windows like the surface or lenovo ideadpad duet

[@SeeDaDancer]

Surface pro have the The magnetic charging OEM and it also has the type-c. If you have a type-c fast charger it will also charge so it likes two chargers port spots surface better

[@zwstyles621]

Everything in the keyboard section can be resolved with the Logitech keyboard minus the angle adjustment for typing.

[@scotdoc]

Thing that keeps me with iPad for media consumption is you can’t get Apple News on Surface Pro. Apple One is also a pretty good deal

[@jpwessgate4859]

your audio comparison kinda off...;Listened to it from my Mac Mini to Motu M4 using thunderbolt and Presonus Monitors ....the Surface Pro sounded better. The iPad sounded muffled.

[@davidemesina3909]

Great comparison man. I've always been for Surface Pro, wich is better for my daily productivity, but i also really like iPad, shockingly thin and pwerful. And what a panel! Btw, can't wait to upgrade my SP6 to the new snapdragon elite one. I also think the new flex keyboard can give a big productivity boost to SP users due to the possibility of detachable use 😍

[@Harrylin581]

The high reflectivity of display just kills the surface pro. But I still have to buy a surface pro , because iPad functionality is so limited, but iPad display is simply the best of the best display of all. No questions about that.

[@maf11300]

I believe that Apple missed a great opportunity. A pro version of IpadOS that includes a Samsung DEX like experience would have been great. They could use a version of the Mac UI with some MacOS capabilities. The M4 Ipad should be something that could fill the gap between an Ipan and full blown MacBook. Have enough Mac capabilities for those that don't need a full Macbook or want something light to carry and use when their Macbook would be too much.

[@darkiceywolf2953]

The thing about apple is they only release a product once it actually becomes successful they are more of wanting to run on a stable model they don't like to experiment as thats not thier user base. It's why they have patterns for folding iphones technically but have no made ones you can only but because thier waiting to see how the folding cellphone market does.

[@77dris]

I think the reason the iPad was slower on the LR export is due to having half the ram of the Surface and also half the storage (which is probably slower).

[@genoanopersempre]

What about Apple Music con the Surface Pro 11 with Snapdragon? Does it work? And iCloud Drive?

[@nymbusDeveloper86]

Yes. Although it won't be called Apple Music, but iTunes. iCloud Drive is also available.

[@mrfluffboi547]

battery life after test lol. How long was your test? 2 hours? 24 hours? These guys are always a good laugh!!

[@lesedi_yt]

Could you please help me get the M4? I genuinely need an iPad for gaming and design. It would mean so much to me and truly make a difference in my creative journey. Thank you for considering my request!

[@ktech4246]

I created and ran my whole tech business on the surface pro 2, I returned the Ipad Pro with keyboard after 1 week of using it, my kids use all the other ipads i have owned to watch youtube.

[@ahaimes6320]

There is another problem with this video, over 50% of iPad pro users prefer the 11-inch, and the SP11 does not come in that size, so that may be a deal-breaker. Also, I can get an iPad Pro M4 11-inch and an M2 MB Air for the same price as the OLED SP11 with its keyboard! So, for me, an iPad and Macbook combo>SP11 OLED. Amazing, Apple is now the value choice versus the very overpriced SP11 OLED.

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

I wonder if there are any touch screen digitizers that would be compatible with MacOS, I kinda just want to Frankenstein /destroy a MacBook Air by turning it into a 2-1 that flips between an iPadOS-like interface when folded over, but switches back to a traditional “desktop mode” when flipped upright like a normal laptop. Just to show Apple and Apple fans, how beneficial this could be with an M-series processor. I love the surface pro hardware, but it’s still clunky ol’ Windows and their ARM exclusivity with QUALCOMM is holding them back.

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

The biggest aspect holding Windows tablets back for years has been Intel and an inefficient x86 architecture. Now that Microsoft seems like to be putting some commitment behind ARM, the only thing holding Windows tablets back is Windows itself. Even just a boot up of Windows system for the first time is a half-day endeavor almost, between all the OS updates, software updates, firmware updates and account sign-ins.

[@FlorinMC]

The Surface Pro got better camera, speakers and microphones. The display of the Surface it is more brighter but the point is going here for the iPad, for better contrast, anti-reflection and colour accuracy. If I need to choose one I will go with Surface wich is better device for pro use like photo, video, music production or office.

[@fisheye375]

the problem with the iPad is that it’s not a computer. Not yet. Maybe never. I own an iPad Air and I’m frustrated everyday

[@DomainObject]

Facts

[@HeyRafaelJerry]

Should I buy a Galaxy Tab S9 Plus or an iPad Pro M2? Please suggest

[@fisheye375]

@@HeyRafaelJerry i think it depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to go on the web, write emails, KZbin, write documents from times to times…both are amazing. Even iPads and galaxy tabs from 2 years ago. Teh iPad is a little easier to figure out and the tab is a little more versatile. But both are tablets. Don’t buy one trying to fully replace your laptops tho. I bought the IPad because I knew it will still be there in 5-7 years. It’s pretty reliable. Still a tablet

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite 🔋🔋🔋💪

[@vladi7688]

not so strong and effective ))

[@christianr.5868]

@@vladi7688can still do a lot more than the iPad

[@xeon2k8]

you used the only emoji that remarks the weakness of the surface vs the ipad lol

[@norevlimit]

Great review…

[@ar7ts]

Can I use another keyboard for surface ? Or it only work with the keyboard that’s coming with ??

[@mrsmilescam1550]

You can use literally any keyboard

[@lawrencecirillo3233]

I just realized that his favorite word is “crazy”!

[@nasergh9354]

Does it worth buying 32 gig ram of surface for next years updates and chrome more openning tabs and pdf writing and PowerPoint?

[@theaaronalvarez]

I’m a lifelong Apple fan but I finally gave up on Apple doing something meaningful with iPad OS. I bought a surface pro 11 instead. I don’t love Windows but I’m impressed by what Microsoft has done with their new lineup. Credit where credit is due.

[@PURELUCIDITY]

I wish Microsoft would allow dual OS option, just like the Apple allows dual OS on its computers. I prefer MacOS over the windows. In terms of the hardware, I like the surface pro better over the laptops. I just can’t stand laptops. Got so used to the iPad Pro, my MacBook Pro and Fujitsu Lifebook tablet were shelved since 2018, because I don’t use them. I’m planning to get surface pro in the future, but not in the near future, since I already bought iPad Pro 13.

[@IIODINII]

The worst thing about your videos is that you go into too much detail about geekbench and don’t talk about how it translates in real life situations, you are just sitting and talk about numbers.

[@JuanAlvarez-uf3np]

The thing is that the iPad even tho is limited, all the software is built for ARM vs the surface which is not optimized for ARM

[@computinglemon]

What about the 10 Core M4?

[@williammaverick]

Tim Cook on laptop-tablet hybrids: "You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator, but those things are probably not gonna be pleasing to the user".

[@soberanisfam1323]

Yet ppl are using iPads like laptops with keyboards 😂

[@michaellurie9138]

I wonder what the difference in SSD speed is

[@recondax]

I wonder if the SSD speeds affected the export test.

[@Mike0193Azul]

iPad os is just so limiting and frustrating. File management is more glitchy and unreliable than even on iPhone. They make a ton of money from the AppStore so they don’t allow desktop applications on iPad which is super restrictive

[@briancollins1233]

Decent review. Wish you had compared with the new keyboard and pen input.

[@rogersmith1643]

It is great that Apple are finally getting some competition, as they have been lacklustre since Tim took over focussed on short term profit it appears (lets hope he doesn't do a Commodore or IBM job on Apple, but it is looking that way as they have totally missed the AI boat having to rely on Microsoft for access to ChatGPT). Technology wise the Snapdragon is obviously a long way behind the M-series based on this comparison with a 12 P-core just beating an entry level 3 P-core M4 system in some areas. Qualcomm is trying predatory pricing in order to get established by offering much higher specced systems at entry level pricing, but that cannot last as they will be losing too much money.

[@prest7845]

As long as Apple doesn't put Mac OS on its iPad Pros, the Surface will always be ahead as a work tool, even if it's worse in some requirements.

[@chadaztig07]

Could you do a part 2. Where the device uses ai, like lightroom auto detect subject. Or other ai features. It would be great to heavily test these ai, since a lot of the apps are growing with ai features.

[@joshuamusser8893]

Your Geekbench multicore score is the same as my 9 core M4. Since you used the best Snapdragon SKU, would have been only fair to use the best Apple SKU, with the 10 core unbinned.

[@Fede-z7d]

We need windows tablets to succeed so we can get macos on iPad! Competition is great for the customer.

[@ahaimes6320]

MS has said that they will never do that again. It was a multi-billion dollar failure to make a Windows hybrid tablet, and MS even stopped Android on the Windows subsystem. Windows tablets make up less than 3% of the market share, and devs are not interested in making Windows tablet apps. Sensible people will either by an Android or iPad if they want a tablet.

[@eliasgotzfried1131]

Productivity wise the ipad stand no chance against the surface and even the samsung tabs, but its just the most beautiful and elegant

[@Mangold108]

Why does Apple struggle with I/O ports and file system management? those are the basics of an OS!!!!!

[@Thomasjcolbert82]

I love my iPad, i do wish it had full OS. I always say, why do i keep buying one. But, when i do my photo stuff etc… I go well, this is why. It may not have a full OS, but when i use my iPhone 95% of the time, I just my iPad. That’s how i justify it. I do have a m2 16inch as well.

[@cmarley69]

How can you compare Surdace and IPad. IPad is a big iPhone and Surface is a full x86 PC.