Mayan overview (2024 update)

[@kenkaneki2842]

Reminder: It's been over 8 yrs since the Japanese civ review and it needs an updated version.

[@danielmunsaka2051]

It’s his favorite civ on top of that

[@yuuya5985]

they didnt change too much did they? except for the recent ca buff?

[@TheGreatinfernape]

Yes please! Would love to see them after the last update! They're cav archer friendly now too :)

[@RMOB]

Kataparuto still OP.

[@cjodyssey]

SOTL is a weeb, and not in a bad way

[@AlexMathiesen]

RIP Obsidian Arrows. You were the best meme tech.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Not the best meme. Ethiopian torsion ICBMs in x256 games.

[@250914616672152]

@@Duke_of_Lorraine torsion engines dont count due to needing a mod

[@franciasii2435]

​@250914616672152 it's still really strong in vanilla tho. It's just beyond broken in 256x mode.

[@WWFanatic0]

It wasn't a meme tech lol. We saw it at high level play and it was completely bonkers.

[@lincolnvolk7609]

So broken, but very much missed😢

[@roym2185]

Perfect amount of dry humor and proper deep dive into the stats and strategy. Enjoyed the memorial for obsidian arrows. As much as you can enjoy such a sad memory.

[@canemalov3357]

This Channel should have a milion subscribers. I don't even play AOE and still watch it

[@informitas0117]

Same here. Great to watch while in a hospital bed.

[@riseALK]

​@@informitas0117Get well soon!

[@MrFluffytheTurtle]

Thanks for keeping the old ones up, I still play the 2013 HD conquerers version a lot. There's a charming novelty to it that ill never get over.

[@omerfarukgungorf]

its the feel

[@armokthebunny7409]

All I can think of with the Hul'che Javelins tech is that one game during Hidden Cup 4 that lasted almost 2 hours on Arabia and ended up being a skirm war against Vikings.

[@johndukes6323]

Which game was this?

[@armokthebunny7409]

@@johndukes6323 first game of the first semi-final

[@johndukes6323]

@@armokthebunny7409 thank you much!

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

7:15 I gotta say, I love the visual of this segment because Spirit talks about how eight Plumed Archers can 1 shot a villager and then proceeds to not kill a single villager for the entirety of the clip.

[@robdillenger4763]

Theorycraft VS Practice

[@kenquat]

your website puns are always 10/10 masterpieces! every time I think that you've done all the "spirit of the _" bits, you come back with another never-before-seen banger. thank you so much Mr. Law.

[@Velk413]

I get why Obsidian Arrows was removed, but the so-called "Bombard Arbalests" were really fun as long as you weren't on the receiving end of it.

[@kristaskrastina2863]

It's just like Teuton TCs which had +3 range back in Age of Kings. Just imagine this on Nomad - it was way worse than a classic Persian douche!

[@progeologist7808]

I think Hul'che Javelineers is a great feature in trash wars, as it makes your skirms a (soft) counter to the opponents spears. Thus, a skirm & helbs combination is reasonably strong in trash wars (although of course not as special as strong hussars or malay).

[@hansoskar1911]

If you vaguely remeber Plums beeing insane. Yes. They got more expensive by 16(!) res before the discount. Which is insanefor a unit that cheap. btw i find it odd that the recent Eagle cost increase doesnt feature in this or the Aztec video.

[@claudetheclaudeqc6600]

thanks god you put brackets near your exclamation point, otherwise, it would have been a comment posted in the subreddit "unexpectedfactorial"

[@Jack182Plato]

I’m glad you’re continuing your side hustles. Happy to support your work outside of KZbin.

[@edbp7689]

I would say the Dravidians feels worse because you can sink resources into the stable, while the Maya just disallows any accidental purchase to a dead tree

[@Shadowscreemer]

Yeah, it does feel like, damn, do I really want to tech into Light Cav and Battle Elephants with no final armor upgrade, blodlines and husbandry? Even if they can ignor armor with Wootz Steel, Pikes/Halbs are still way too good against them, you might as well just make infantry + archers.

[@JUSTJOKEN1]

Fantastic as always. The people need a updated Berbers video too!

[@Nictator42]

RIP Obsidian Arrows, it used to be the main reason I mained Mayans

[@AlexMathiesen]

Me too. Who needs siege when a bunch of archers can take out a castle. Also loved viper's obsidian arrows videos.

[@RecklessInternetting]

Agreed. But let's be honest it was a bit cheesy. I think what we got is a bit useless, but we were going to get nerfed no matter what.

[@nicholasgrossman3194]

))0​@@AlexMathiesen

[@JJBeauregard1]

I wish Mayans and all the other non-European civs had their own skins for the common unit lines. I know some mods exist but many tend to mix in weird balancing changes on top of the often sub-par reskins.

[@ahmicqui9396]

Same here...

[@TheBobo203]

No way. Player's brain must read situation on the field instantly. In Chess you don't have 30 skins for figures

[@JJBeauregard1]

@@TheBobo203 You could make it an optional feature and if enabled, visuals are only changed on your end. That way everyone would be happy.

[@haroonahmed1077]

Removing of obsidian arrow is biggest heartbreaking for me especially when mayans is my favorite civ.

[@vileluca]

OMG YES!!!! HE BROUGHT THE OPENING SONG BACK

[@micahbush5397]

He always plays it for civilization overviews, just not for the shorter videos anymore.

[@shadow-r3852]

More word games on the Squarespace sponsor? Hell yes! It even comes with a great video for free!

[@kenwilson5641]

My favourite civ! Love everything about them. Great vid!

[@vishwasprasad]

I hope the “Spirit of the haul” business is upgraded with hand carts for the trucks to go faster.

[@niki75]

Man I love "Going above and beyond" cheat so much... You dont even need to do all 256 research times for things to spiral waaay way out of control... Byzantines with Logistica (Slavs with Druzhina), Britons with Warwolf and even these sort of less immediately game ending meme things like Skirms casually tossing 256 javelins xD

[@salvadorseekatzrisquez2947]

I was looking for this. So good. Their little fast archers are fun

[@Santi1789]

Spirit of the Haul must be your best segue to a sponsor thus far

[@RancorSnp]

The fact they removed Obsidian arrows is WILD to me. This tech was the only reason I ever played AoE2

[@franciasii2435]

It kind of invalidated Mayan siege, and turned a group of 30 arbs into a trebuchet.

[@hansoskar1911]

Obsidian Arrows is unfortunately broken. it mean in practise that if mayans ever win a fight in castle age the game ends immediately bc production buildings, TCs and hosues go down faster than they go up.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

The problem was others could also use that technology which then made the game unfun 11

[@ArgKnoxville86]

I know this is way too late to say this, but in these videos would be great to have examples of builds donde in prof matches with these civs.

[@koolguy751]

I love how SotL just memed the dravidians so hard that the Mayans had (in his opinion) a better stable.....you know, a civ that can't make cav units XD

[@sniperdubey]

Thrillseeker 1 by Gustavsson & Sandberg for those wondering what the music was around 9:25

[@CampeadorHUN]

You're a godsend, I've been looking for that song for years.

[@dabizkidtgan8595]

Thanks for content whenever i get sick i binge watch your content which helps me recover faster. I also would like for you to do Civs teams who help each other.

[@Ahmadabdal_]

we will always remember when the mayan player got obsidian arrows and destroyed your base in 30 seconds

[@Fikuw]

Once I played a MEgarandom game as Mayans and got an Stable at start. Was realy happy to have the ULTRA rare mayan Xolot Warrior online :}

[@Luisin88]

Along with some monks, +40 hp eagle warriors seem very powerful.

[@Sosuke0727]

Best song 😎 9:17

[@MrFluffytheTurtle]

Watch that part in 144p, felt like '06

[@Kertal1]

I have a question, can you please do one time where u add eagle warriors bonuses like +4 for Aztecs or +40hp for Mayans and 1/1 armor for Incas to Xolotl warriors and see how would that change them and it would be cool if you convert a stable it would be permanently unlocked for them so they can make more stables and make all of these 3 civs to be able to convert buildings it would be fun addition

[@alrafa1598]

9 years have passed! But your voice never changed and so enthusiasm ❤

[@gergelyhangodi9008]

Where will you be when the Ontage music kicks in?

[@graigaron1215]

Spirit i would love a general meso guide and tips

[@Catcrumbs]

Well El Dorado was never found in all the expeditions in the circled area, so we might reasonably conclude that it was never there and it is more likely to be outside that area. Formerly Mayan territory is outside that area, so it makes sense that Mayans have the El Dorado tech. Quick maffs 😤

[@thegreatbearwolf2915]

My favourite civilization.

[@chrisr4023]

Mayan eco bonuses are one of the most 'feels good' in aoe2. You get loomed villagers instantly and much more gold/stone/wood post imperial with no effort. I miss obsidian arrows+saracens team bonus combo.

[@st.haborym]

So when are we gonna get your sporting goods website, Spirit of the Ball

[@EmilioMartinez270]

you missed the absurd nerf to archer play by the current pathing :P

[@seppvombau2729]

Another reminder. Tje top 5 infantra cavalry and archer civs are also outdated heavily. Especially cavalry had even many civs added, that definitly compete for the crown (Lithuanians, Poles, Tatars, Gujaras, Georgians...)

[@TheGreatinfernape]

I miss obsidian arrow 💔 back then, I'd be very okay without plumes, now i gotta wait for the even slower mangonel lol. I understand why it got removed. Damn saracens lol. Anything to make their team bonus relevant

[@TheSpiritedFendron]

Again, predicted it, as easy as the first two

[@AhahhhOhogo]

Greetings, this shall be 2nd attempt of asking Spirit of the Law to create a series to review civilisations of Romae ad Bellum mod. Keep up the good work :).

[@stylesrj]

Will Spirit open up a business based on the joys of eating? The Spirit Of The Maw.

[@maximilianniedernhauser1950]

i miss obsidian arrows When you crush castles with justz archers

[@Mexican00b]

i miss obsidian arrows!!

[@MrPizzamoe]

A dumb question: Couldn't you delete your starting eagle scout and start villager production immediatly? Probably not worth losing the scout for, but I'd be interested in how that would change the eco mid term.

[@idkmybffjill9682]

Atm I’d say plums are better based solely on how bad pathing is for archers. When that’s fixed yea situational

[@Boybala]

Hey spirit of the law, guys here

[@catalinmarius3985]

Do Teutons next please.

[@puttanesca621]

Why do they collect slower from farms?

[@LightMageMike]

"No stable is better than the Dravidian stable." Sounds about right to me.

[@Kertal1]

Talking about how good the plum archers are at raiding when most of them missed most of their shots and kill nobody 😂

[@anthonybrandao4264]

Hello excuse me what is the name of the song at 0:19 ? Thank you.

[@papazoulou9326]

I love this game man

[@Mattroid99]

I think C+ is a little too harsh on their monastery. After all they still have Attonement, Theocracy, Sanctity and Block Printing, so their monks are still very valuable and I think they deserve a B overall

[@guilhermecesar9185]

Good video. You say that Obsidian Arrows will never be Forgotten, but You are Wrong! They are added in the Forgotten expansion, so...

[@非凡-u1g]

idk why. but your Mayan videos makes me feels like the next dlc will have Mayan getting their own campaign.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

It's unlikely they make an american expansion given how isolated the continent was. I rather bet on East Asia on the periphery of China (Tibetans, Jurchens)

[@oxjpmg5554]

Another soto video. Great😊

[@YossarianVanDriver]

To be more nitpicky than is probably deserved for a map that was probably just available public domain, there wasn't a "Maya empire" as depicted there; they were a cultural sphere of independent city-states like ancient Greece or medieval Italy. The closest thing would be the hegemony of Tikal or the later Mayapan League, but neither of these controlled the entire Maya area.

[@michele8491]

Turks update next pleaseee

[@sfrog4683]

Beep, Beep. I’m a truck.

[@CAR912b]

Beep beep I'm a sheep.

[@Hellspooned2]

As far as I'm concerned their whole identity was Obsidian arrows.

[@gbode2443]

"El Dorado which i cant help but point out is on a completely different continent from the Mayans" And did they find El Dorado there? yeah I thought not

[@rovsea-3761]

Why the hell do Mayans have shipwright when dedicated naval civs like Saracens and Berbers don't?

[@nectarie_638]

there's literally no way they are only top 20 in 1vs1. at least at higher elo, they are super good

[@swisstravellearth6232]

This is your best series! Love it! As always great Civ overview. Lucky Viper is doing Civs overviews as well. This will give us an amazing of the current civs. Well, delaying farms in water maps is not that relevant when youe herdabels, hunts and fish all last longer… About the nerfs, you missed the archer line nerf. It really hurt them. Btw. Any idea why Mayans are doing so much better in the hand of Pros?

[@cjodyssey]

ARCHERS WITH ABS . More hp and pierce armour. Of course.

[@250914616672152]

im still thinking eagles should be trash units or aleast remove the bonus damage they take from almost everything

[@sylverrob]

Let's gooooo!

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Ironic that their resources last longer, while IRL their empire collapsed after exhausting their soils.

[@DigiMatt52]

Well, clearly, they were looking in the wrong place for El Dorado, as they didnt find it.

[@redcastlefan]

The real question is who plays TG a fun mode and picks Arabia to tryhard on it ?

[@voiceofreason2674]

Do the 2005 build order eagles eagles eagles

[@RennieAsh]

So Mayans really a a bird civ; you get Eagles and lots of their stuff is Cheepa

[@Cheattoe]

Technically el dorado is wherever you think it is

[@thomasfplm]

The place it was supposed to be according to the rumors was in South America.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Always with the 256x meme moments, heheh.

[@WaffeFIN]

I'm wondering if it is a good idea to delete the scout asap to avoid getting housed

[@Dewition]

The INTro is bAcK!!!

[@gmat4380]

Spirit of the Haul. 1111

[@CleverCrumbish]

9:48 Well duh, that's why they didn't find it, isn't it?

[@nicods33]

Now that you are a businessman, would you like to invest in my new kitchen ceramics project? We can call it Spirit of the Bowl

[@Ratciclefan]

The plumed archer is pretty much made up btw :P

[@testitestmann8819]

48.2% winrate [aoestats] doesn't sound that great :( how far they have fallen

[@andresespinosa152]

excuse me man, america is one single continent so i don't know what you mean by saying this 9:48

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

I refuse to believe my Risk board lied to me. North America is 5 armies, South America is 2.

[@BrownDaddy007]

hul'che translation; spear-throwers

[@fitness-challengers]

I hate to be that guy, but el dorado can't be in that region of South America. If that's where everyone was searching and didn't find it, we can conclude that's where it couldn't have been. Of course, it's a fictional city, so this is a moot point. Lol

[@Jackson-bh1jw]

yeah when they talk about the gold they talk about southamerica, but when they talk about the silver theytalk about north america and center.... the whole other way around, so funny.....

[@RMOB]

Mayans was rate 0/10 by Huns Magazine.

[@user-xg5dw2gm8f]

El Dorado is not on a different continent to the Mayans as it does not exist

[@thegreenpianist7683]

I was literally in the middle of watching a Mayan civilization documentary when this notification popped up

[@charleyruwart8983]

Mesoamerican mania Day 😂

[@josephfisher5833]

Was the documentary by any chance about the famous battle between Sundjata the Mayan warlord and the Viking naval commander Admiral Yi Sun-shin? One of my favorites

[@thegreenpianist7683]

@@josephfisher5833 yessss!!!! The famous Viking and Mayan battle on Arabia.

[@mygoodnessmyguiness]

Love that you mentioned infinite javalins with 256 tech cheat. My favourite alongside torsion engines and both Japanese UTs

[@TestofOne]

Can't wait to hear about your Cajun restaurant Spirit of the Craw. I find the Mayans to have a weak team game late game. In general even moderately strong champion or two handed swordsmen still destroy their buffed eagles and they wind up being vulnerable to onager or bombard cannon depending on how that siege is protected. Mayans are strongest mid to early imp, but fall off in the late game slug matches where they don't quite have a power unit to push a line.

[@termo4428]

You made me google "el dorado mexico" and there seems to be a spa resort on the coast of the supposed ancient maya territories. I don't know what that says about the developer's inspiration but it looks like a really nice place to be - wow 🌴

[@bujustic]

What do you mean supposed? Pretty sure we have a good idea of where the Maya were. If not we can always ask them

[@termo4428]

@@bujustic Oh, I didn't want to doubt anything. Oops. I did not check if the place really is on that territory, so I used a more vague description

[@bujustic]

@@termo4428 Yeah fair! Sorry if I came off harsh at all

[@jahnmark2864]

Could listen to that intro on repeat for a week

[@DonCorleone964]

Why do longer lasting farms result in slower collection rate? :S I did not quite follow that. I bet there is something obvious I am missing...

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

It's actually not obvious at all, so don't feel like you're overlooking something. Basically, the Mayan longer lasting resource bonus works by having them collect 13% slower (all work rates are multiplied by 0.87), but then have the resources they collect multiplied by 1.15. That means they're technically "working" on each resource slower, so the resources on the gold etc go down slower, but the villager's total goes back up to the regular amount (.87 * 1.15 = 1). For some weird reason their farmers' work rate specifically is multiplied by 0.81 instead of 0.87, so it seems they very intentionally wanted them to be slightly worse at that task. That might imply their farmers are 7% slower than usual, but because so much of farmers' time is spent walking around it ends up being closer to the regular speed in practice.

[@DonCorleone964]

@@SpiritOfTheLaw Wow, I did not think it would be that technical. Thanx for a very thorough reply :)

[@Liebestod0001]

chief, we should develop weapons to fight against cavalry! what is a cavalry? I have no idea either, but trust me.